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I just now called for a contact to channel from, and began writing down the answers to my questions. after about two pages, I suddenly realized that

A) my challenge to the channeling source was half-hearted, and I did not receive a very affirmative "Yes" in response.

B) Every answer that I was receiving was dragging down my heart, slowly making me feel more depressed and glum.

I had a jolt of fear/awakeness/excitement/alertness. I closed my eyes, and clearly saw an entity, distinguishable from my regular negative thought-forms, doing something with intent, but sort of struggling at it. It was pulling and wrapping and trying to connect things with it's long noodly metaphysical arms. At first I was afraid, because this has never happened before. But then I realized it was really having a hard time, it was rather frantic, and it got more frantic once I realized what it was trying to do (attach to me more permanently, and then probably suck my energy until I rid myself of it).

I observed it for 20 seconds or so out of sheer curiosity, my mouth was gaping open. Then I realized the longer I waited, the more power it was gaining over my being, and the more fear I was experiencing. So I IMMEDIATELY furrowed my brow, and said, FIRMLY AND CLEARLY, "You Need To Leave. LEAVE." and projected as much love as I could through the center of my brain, towards it (I tried to love it as I sent it away, and I truly did love it, because it was teaching me how to use discernment in the future, and how to handle negative entities like itself). Since it was already struggling without resistance, it was gone instantly. After the "smoke cleared," so to speak, I felt a little bit drained, but also relieved and at peace. I've never felt so grateful for being alone, haha...

Okay, so that's what happened. I'm not going to try channeling again anytime soon, I'm definitely too inexperienced to do it alone. I'm kind of flustered right now, I've never encountered a negative entity, ever, not even on my mega-deep LSD or DMT trips. And now I just met one, sober.

Has anyone here had to fight off a negative entity? If so please share. I'm really thankful for the experience, now I have some sort of idea as to my strength as a metaphysical entity. I kind of feel delusional though, as in, did that really just happen? Or am I crazy?
I'm being attacked all the time lol, I've also reached a conclusion that they are able to influence you only in time/space, space/time is usually fear based and is easily rejected (spooky flying object)
but I've never actually managed to channel another entity, they are awaiting at the depths so to speak
(09-09-2016, 08:45 PM)sjel Wrote: [ -> ]I just now called for a contact to channel from, and began writing down the answers to my questions. after about two pages, I suddenly realized that

A) my challenge to the channeling source was half-hearted, and I did not receive a very affirmative "Yes" in response.

B) Every answer that I was receiving was dragging down my heart, slowly making me feel more depressed and glum.

I had a jolt of fear/awakeness/excitement/alertness. I closed my eyes, and clearly saw an entity, distinguishable from my regular negative thought-forms, doing something with intent, but sort of struggling at it. It was pulling and wrapping and trying to connect things with it's long noodly metaphysical arms. At first I was afraid, because this has never happened before. But then I realized it was really having a hard time, it was rather frantic, and it got more frantic once I realized what it was trying to do (attach to me more permanently, and then probably suck my energy until I rid myself of it).

I observed it for 20 seconds or so out of sheer curiosity, my mouth was gaping open. Then I realized the longer I waited, the more power it was gaining over my being, and the more fear I was experiencing. So I IMMEDIATELY furrowed my brow, and said, FIRMLY AND CLEARLY, "You Need To Leave. LEAVE." and projected as much love as I could through the center of my brain, towards it (I tried to love it as I sent it away, and I truly did love it, because it was teaching me how to use discernment in the future, and how to handle negative entities like itself). Since it was already struggling without resistance, it was gone instantly. After the "smoke cleared," so to speak, I felt a little bit drained, but also relieved and at peace. I've never felt so grateful for being alone, haha...

Okay, so that's what happened. I'm not going to try channeling again anytime soon, I'm definitely too inexperienced to do it alone. I'm kind of flustered right now, I've never encountered a negative entity, ever, not even on my mega-deep LSD or DMT trips. And now I just met one, sober.

Has anyone here had to fight off a negative entity? If so please share. I'm really thankful for the experience, now I have some sort of idea as to my strength as a metaphysical entity. I kind of feel delusional though, as in, did that really just happen? Or am I crazy?

Did you experience actual spirits (not negative entities) on LSD or DMT? On magic mushrooms I had a few experiences with spirits, like literally opening myself to be a channel so that something talks to my friend (happened with 2 of them), feeling the emotional body of another self within myself, that was neat. I made a friend stop with me more than once in the mountain's forest near my home because I would feel a spirit that was there to heal, could feel their pain. I'd make us stop and make him scan the surrounding space to see if he felt something and he always ended up describing the exact vibe I was perceiving from the exact direction. One time we both diverged from our path and walked toward a tree and put one hand each on it, we could feel great sorrow from this old tree that was falling apart, like a strong feeling of not wanting to leave this place and I'd try to mentally tell it it will move on to experience so many great things, I found it really hard to remove my hand and leave the tree. We had a not-so-neggie friend that hung out with us on more than one trip and which seemed to be like messing with us or either teaching us something. I have another friend that always had a negative entity on himself at each and every trip he did, it's like hard not to feel the presence from it as it was directly harming him. My sober state is not so open to outer energies (much more so at the time than now), so that was quite the unusual experiences. I did quite a lot of them last year and none so far this year.

About show-off with negative entities, I had more experiences when I became a self-taught christian because of a friend. I was like heavily harassed and my defense was, yeah you guessed it, the power of Christ, so idk if that's what you're looking for.. As for now I usually take an interest in what energy the negative entity sends me and feel like I discover things about it like I'm following a trail with genuine interest and then it leaves suddenly. I felt like actually sad maybe 2 times about it, also somewhat upset it left. I never really had much visual experiences but one time (christian days), I was praying eyes closed and it's like everything got flipped upside-down for a few seconds and I saw 2 shadow persons fronm their back talking about me and I know they were plotting against me. I wasn't so sure about the origin of the "Vision" but now I'd say the Higher Self. (I bet the plotters are still there hiding)

My other mean of defense is that I tell negative entities that whatever is my polarity when I am out of here, I will surely pay them back their focus a thousandfold. That even in positive polarity, I will tear of their shell of darkness from them bits by bits until I uncover their light self buried within it that reaches out to me. I can't know whether I can even go through with that or not, but it sure always made me smile a whole lot to say.


(09-09-2016, 08:51 PM)Dog Star Wrote: [ -> ]I'm being attacked all the time lol, I've also reached a conclusion that they are able to influence you only in time/space, space/time is usually fear based and is easily rejected (spooky flying object)
but I've never actually managed to channel another entity, they are awaiting at the depths so to speak

Channeling is not so hard, unless you block it on a conscious or unconscious level.

I think the time/space idea is quite good, space/time manifestations are more like windows.
(09-09-2016, 09:19 PM)Minyatur Wrote: [ -> ]Did you experience actual spirits (not negative entities) on LSD or DMT?

Yes, on DMT, almost every time, I visited my old friends, my social memory complex (but I didn't know that's what it was at the time.) My guides were there on every deep trip, including a profound DXM + cannabis experience. On DMT, most certainly, my teachers could not have rushed faster toward me to encourage me, teach me, reassure me, love me. I phrase it this way because sometimes I forget that I have immense help behind the illusion, I think I'm alone a lot of the time. Lsd I never really had contact with specific beings, just the vast awareness of Self.

Whenever I get super alone, I think about those DMT trips, they were full of so much love. I don't remember the specifics, obviously, because I was in the sixth density world (presumably), and I could only take back cartoonish concepts with me, that nevertheless reassure. One time I came back and the image I still remember is sitting around laughing with all my sixth density friends, going "haha, isn't that crazy how seriously you take those problems down there?"

I'm so sad, alone. I miss my friends, they understand me and I understood them. I wonder if I got the urge to channel merely from a sense of loneliness rather than a genuine curiosity for metaphysical wisdom.
(09-09-2016, 09:53 PM)sjel Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-09-2016, 09:19 PM)Minyatur Wrote: [ -> ]Did you experience actual spirits (not negative entities) on LSD or DMT?

Yes, on DMT, almost every time, I visited my old friends, my social memory complex (but I didn't know that's what it was at the time.) My guides were there on every deep trip, including a profound DXM + cannabis experience. On DMT, most certainly, my teachers could not have rushed faster toward me to encourage me, teach me, reassure me, love me. I phrase it this way because sometimes I forget that I have immense help behind the illusion, I think I'm alone a lot of the time. Lsd I never really had contact with specific beings, just the vast awareness of Self.

Whenever I get super alone, I think about those DMT trips, they were full of so much love. I don't remember the specifics, obviously, because I was in the sixth density world (presumably), and I could only take back cartoonish concepts with me, that nevertheless reassure. One time I came back and the image I still remember is sitting around laughing with all my sixth density friends, going "haha, isn't that crazy how seriously you take those problems down there?"

I'm so sad, alone. I miss my friends, they understand me and I understood them. I wonder if I got the urge to channel merely from a sense of loneliness rather than a genuine curiosity for metaphysical wisdom.

I think it is good to focus on the spaceless and timeless nature of reality, those moments are now too and those friends are with you too. I get the feeling they probably love you and find your loneliness beautiful, or more like all your life and what you have been going through.
When I did DMT, I felt alone for the most part. Just had the thought about not giving into astonishment.
(09-09-2016, 08:45 PM)sjel Wrote: [ -> ]I just now called for a contact to channel from, and began writing down the answers to my questions. after about two pages, I suddenly realized that

A) my challenge to the channeling source was half-hearted, and I did not receive a very affirmative "Yes" in response.

B) Every answer that I was receiving was dragging down my heart, slowly making me feel more depressed and glum.

WAD or Working as Designed, you try to talk to yourself in yourself and get depressed, thats why you need a 3rd person or a 2nd MBSC

Quote:I had a jolt of fear/awakeness/excitement/alertness. I closed my eyes, and clearly saw an entity, distinguishable from my regular negative thought-forms, doing something with intent, but sort of struggling at it. It was pulling and wrapping and trying to connect things with it's long noodly metaphysical arms. At first I was afraid, because this has never happened before. But then I realized it was really having a hard time, it was rather frantic, and it got more frantic once I realized what it was trying to do (attach to me more permanently, and then probably suck my energy until I rid myself of it).

I observed it for 20 seconds or so out of sheer curiosity, my mouth was gaping open. Then I realized the longer I waited, the more power it was gaining over my being, and the more fear I was experiencing. So I IMMEDIATELY furrowed my brow, and said, FIRMLY AND CLEARLY, "You Need To Leave. LEAVE." and projected as much love as I could through the center of my brain, towards it (I tried to love it as I sent it away, and I truly did love it, because it was teaching me how to use discernment in the future, and how to handle negative entities like itself). Since it was already struggling without resistance, it was gone instantly. After the "smoke cleared," so to speak, I felt a little bit drained, but also relieved and at peace. I've never felt so grateful for being alone, haha...

Okay, so that's what happened. I'm not going to try channeling again anytime soon, I'm definitely too inexperienced to do it alone. I'm kind of flustered right now, I've never encountered a negative entity, ever, not even on my mega-deep LSD or DMT trips. And now I just met one, sober.

Has anyone here had to fight off a negative entity? If so please share. I'm really thankful for the experience, now I have some sort of idea as to my strength as a metaphysical entity. I kind of feel delusional though, as in, did that really just happen? Or am I crazy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_b90z0DgHY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUXfE2NMVl4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USoXfHbY4zM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AEGnkHc6nI Seems you ran into not the friendliest black holes so here's a friendlier one. Keep in mind, assuming you have enough "engines" to run away from a black hole being 27km from its center is much more safe than being 27km from the center of a sun. Keeping that in mind. All it does is make you feel a bit uneasy.

What you summoned was an embryonic form of a gravity well, or a spirit thats too massive for you to ever see (exists outside the big bang) but who's center of gravity was starting to be visible as it started to form the Calabi Yau manifold. Or what you would call, the moment a human brain starts to form.

One edge of the creature was on the other side of the big bang and one on the opposite side so when it starts to congeal it appears from "everywhere in a spooky way" while you see the shadow of it form in front of you. If you keep it up for a long enough time one of your friends(or you) will have a child that is the child that is the most heavy form of the spirit that can hold itself.

They are quite safe(in as much as a flu can ever be safe), and are mostly seen by people with a Strong bias to the opposite gender in themselves with a combination of lack of awareness of opposites true functions.

Channeling alone is currently as dangerous as walking around a day nude in your home town. Its not that dangerous but you may see some odd effects afterwards.
Be very careful! One does shine a light on himself and who knows who is watching Wink

I think that you can channel your inner guidance. I'm not too sure how it works but I recall Carla channeling her inner guidance, the Holy Spirit, when it was just her and Jim. The Book of Days is the product of that very personal and intimidate channeling.
(09-09-2016, 08:45 PM)sjel Wrote: [ -> ]I just now called for a contact to channel from, and began writing down the answers to my questions. after about two pages, I suddenly realized that

A) my challenge to the channeling source was half-hearted, and I did not receive a very affirmative "Yes" in response.

B) Every answer that I was receiving was dragging down my heart, slowly making me feel more depressed and glum.

I had a jolt of fear/awakeness/excitement/alertness. I closed my eyes, and clearly saw an entity, distinguishable from my regular negative thought-forms, doing something with intent, but sort of struggling at it. It was pulling and wrapping and trying to connect things with it's long noodly metaphysical arms. At first I was afraid, because this has never happened before. But then I realized it was really having a hard time, it was rather frantic, and it got more frantic once I realized what it was trying to do (attach to me more permanently, and then probably suck my energy until I rid myself of it).

I observed it for 20 seconds or so out of sheer curiosity, my mouth was gaping open. Then I realized the longer I waited, the more power it was gaining over my being, and the more fear I was experiencing. So I IMMEDIATELY furrowed my brow, and said, FIRMLY AND CLEARLY, "You Need To Leave. LEAVE." and projected as much love as I could through the center of my brain, towards it (I tried to love it as I sent it away, and I truly did love it, because it was teaching me how to use discernment in the future, and how to handle negative entities like itself). Since it was already struggling without resistance, it was gone instantly. After the "smoke cleared," so to speak, I felt a little bit drained, but also relieved and at peace. I've never felt so grateful for being alone, haha...

Okay, so that's what happened. I'm not going to try channeling again anytime soon, I'm definitely too inexperienced to do it alone. I'm kind of flustered right now, I've never encountered a negative entity, ever, not even on my mega-deep LSD or DMT trips. And now I just met one, sober.

Has anyone here had to fight off a negative entity? If so please share. I'm really thankful for the experience, now I have some sort of idea as to my strength as a metaphysical entity. I kind of feel delusional though, as in, did that really just happen? Or am I crazy?



maybe a tip that will help you as much as it helped me, they have to be able to say more than yes.. yes is bullshit they need to say the full sentence.. yes i come in the same love as jesus christ and the christ consciousness.


i stopped asking yes or no questions. if they can't even say it, then it's move on to the next spirit, don't' waste your time, or pay the consequences with a poor contact by getting a poor message. now in all of my channeling attempts, i think this... can you say this whole sentence, if you can't get out of my auric field.

When I feel hesitation, they are not it. You cannot lie in the spirit world, and you need to be present and strong with the love within you, once that is strong, the only ones that waver are the ones that do not come in that same strength of love, they come in the strength of fear or weariness. They hesitate to say much past yes.

Once you know what you want, it makes your inner light strong, once you set clear boundaries, it makes them nervous and reflects back that fear that they are trying to have you feel back to them.

Does any of this make sense?
Sjel, I attracted the attentions of a negative entity for awhile, early after I had some fairly major energetic awakenings. There were a couple times he interrupted\interfered with energetic work I was doing, but in both cases, I "spotted" him fairly easily because I could feel the atonalities in the harmonies (so to speak) and recognized that something was off. And all it took was a firm shooing away to shut down the contact and break it off.

I'm pretty sure he's still keeping an eye on me, but that's probably in part because I haven't gone to any significant effort to drive him off further. It's not worth it, plus such efforts would quickly become paradoxically self-defeating. And I don't mind having additional perspectives\resources at my disposal, even if he occasionally gets a little pushy. If he wants to hang around and occasionally offer his perspective\service, whatev. I'm not particularly concerned by it.

The trick is mostly just not being afraid. Honestly (and this may be a topic I bang on a lot, but...) fear really is self-reinforcing. If one accepts the negative entities are out there, and they're sometimes going to meddle, they become less scary. It's just what they do. Especially since -as you saw- just telling them to go away and beaming some Love at them pretty much always does the trick. Being afraid of them automatically gives them extra power, whereas calmness denies them that extra foothold from the start.

Basically, it sounds like you dealt with the problem quite well and I'd encourage you to not let it weigh too heavily on your mind or discourage you from further exploration for too long.
I have had some experiences with some negatives. Until just about 2 months ago, I was shadowed 24/7 by a negative. It would work magic in circles against me. It would energize problems in my teeth. It even got to the point where, I got visited by a 5th a couple times. I agree with staying conscience on your thoughts. I could tell when the negatives would "insert" thoughts. Like a random question that sounded if you payed attention, different then my own thoughts. I was talking to my brother one night abnout the Loo, and I began to choke, and I wasnt eating or drinking anything. Then all the sudden I realized I was being attacked. I had to force the entity off of me. Since that night, I no longer start spiritual conversations. I believe I somehow stepped passed the boundaries of free will, and this opened up the window for that negative. More recently though, I dont even have a shadow. I like it. I have no knowing in why they have left me alone.
also I believe the "rate" of negativity present in your own vibration. Is like a limiting factor, or threshold in which the negatives can work. My experiences with negatives, the negatives where much stronger than just a shooing away. However I do believe I was in a 4th density negative world last, and these guys had some special interest. Almost personal.
(09-10-2016, 09:10 AM)BlatzAdict Wrote: [ -> ]Does any of this make sense?

yes, thank you blatzadict.


(09-10-2016, 11:21 AM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: [ -> ]Sjel, I attracted the attentions of a negative entity for awhile, early after I had some fairly major energetic awakenings.  There were a couple times he interrupted\interfered with energetic work I was doing, but in both cases, I "spotted" him fairly easily because I could feel the atonalities in the harmonies (so to speak) and recognized that something was off.  And all it took was a firm shooing away to shut down the contact and break it off.

I'm pretty sure he's still keeping an eye on me, but that's probably in part because I haven't gone to any significant effort to drive him off further.  It's not worth it, plus such efforts would quickly become paradoxically self-defeating.  And I don't mind having additional perspectives\resources at my disposal, even if he occasionally gets a little pushy.  If he wants to hang around and occasionally offer his perspective\service, whatev.  I'm not particularly concerned by it.  

The trick is mostly just not being afraid.  Honestly (and this may be a topic I bang on a lot, but...) fear really is self-reinforcing.  If one accepts the negative entities are out there, and they're sometimes going to meddle, they become less scary.  It's just what they do.  Especially since -as you saw- just telling them to go away and beaming some Love at them pretty much always does the trick.  Being afraid of them automatically gives them extra power, whereas calmness denies them that extra foothold from the start.

Basically, it sounds like you dealt with the problem quite well and I'd encourage you to not let it weigh too heavily on your mind or discourage you from further exploration for too long.


The fear of the interaction is quickly waning, I realize that he was only as powerful as I was uncertain/fearful - so he wasn't very powerful. He seemed like a newbie negative entity, haha! I do think I will stick with channeling my inner higher self for a little while before I attempt channeling a positive entity.

Have you ever, conversely, attracted positive beings? As in, positive entities that are not necessarily "assigned" to you in this life, like your guides or angels. Are they as attracted to the light as negatives? It seems that when there is a light shining during personal energy work there is more risk for negative attention than positive. Also, what was the nature of your energy work? Forgive me for my questions, I am extremely new at this
(09-10-2016, 11:45 AM)Infinite Unity Wrote: [ -> ]I have had some experiences with some negatives. Until just about 2 months ago, I was shadowed 24/7 by a negative. It would work magic in circles against me. It would energize problems in my teeth. It even got to the point where, I got visited by a 5th a couple times. I agree with staying conscience on your thoughts. I could tell when the negatives would "insert" thoughts. Like a random question that sounded if you payed attention, different then my own thoughts. I was talking to my brother one night abnout the Loo, and I began to choke, and I wasnt eating or drinking anything. Then all the sudden I realized I was being attacked. I had to force the entity off of me. Since that night, I no longer start spiritual conversations. I believe I somehow stepped passed the boundaries of free will, and this opened up the window for that negative. More recently though, I dont even have a shadow. I like it. I have no knowing in why they have left me alone.

What type of light were you shining to attract a 5th density negative?? :O also, doesn't that mean you have given in to them, if you have ceased your activities of speaking spiritually? Remember how Ra said, in response to Don asking what they could do to permanently repel the negative 5th density spirit, "You could cease this contact."
I haven't ceased spiritually. I just no longer open into the Loo, or any other deep pilosphical context. Without the entity first breaking ground on the subject. Then I still remain wary/aware of what level the entity is actually diving to. I use to try and openly without provcation, just set in on deep spiritual concepts with people. I am not special. I just made some enemies, that took it personal, and haven't forgot.
I think someone who is right to talk about deeper things is one with whom your words will light a spark within their soul, a passion to seek of their own.
(09-10-2016, 02:42 PM)Infinite Unity Wrote: [ -> ]I haven't ceased spiritually. I just no longer open into the Loo, or any other deep pilosphical context. Without the entity first breaking ground on the subject first. Then I still remain wary/aware of what level the entity is actually diving to. I use to try and openly without provcation, just set in on deep spiritual concepts with people. I am not special. I just made some enemies, that took it personal, and haven't forgot.

I saw it's mainly about making enemies or not in my case also. I guess they could remain in the shadows though, passive-aggressive.
Quote:I was talking to my brother one night abnout the Loo, and I began to choke, and I wasnt eating or drinking anything. Then all the sudden I realized I was being attacked. I had to force the entity off of me. Since that night, I no longer start spiritual conversations. I believe I somehow stepped passed the boundaries of free will(?), and this opened up the window for that negative.

and you see no karma upon you by such a belief you yourself created? the only thing I know for certain about negative entities is how clever they are to make you assume you are of evil relation/karma.
Even when done perfectly, channeling is a very dangerous activity. I have yet to meet a person who has tried it who hasn't encountered some sort of extreme difficulty or interference, myself included. You should definitely not do it by yourself, ever. I would personally recommend not doing it at all.
(09-10-2016, 02:59 PM)Dog Star Wrote: [ -> ]
Quote:I was talking to my brother one night abnout the Loo, and I began to choke, and I wasnt eating or drinking anything. Then all the sudden I realized I was being attacked. I had to force the entity off of me. Since that night, I no longer start spiritual conversations. I believe I somehow stepped passed the boundaries of free will(?), and this opened up the window for that negative.

and you see no karma upon you by such a belief you yourself created? the only thing I know for certain about negative entities is how clever they are to make you assume you are of evil relation/karma.

No I do not, I see it as were I've been. I know there are no mistakes, only learning experiences. I have no karma to play out here from there. I have already done that. This for me is changing my polarities, and helping as many people I can along my way through this part of the universe. Karma in my opinion can in a moment be absolved. It is a learning tool, not judgement. I see no evil in the universe. I see one being with many faces. or facets. Being in 4th density negative was not exactly my choice. Many things go on in the universe. You make contracts, some are almost unto gambling. Sometimes you lose. Sometimes you get to visit negative space/time.
Also this was after the fact. That I came to that thought. That is why I stopped just plowing through peoples believes with my own. Since then, I have had no problems that extreme.
(09-10-2016, 03:41 PM)Reaper Wrote: [ -> ]Even when done perfectly, channeling is a very dangerous activity. I have yet to meet a person who has tried it who hasn't encountered some sort of extreme difficulty or interference, myself included. You should definitely not do it by yourself, ever. I would personally recommend not doing it at all.

Is this advice similar to Robin Williams' advice for people who wanted to be stand up comics?

"Don't do it." he said. "Never become a stand up comedian."

"Why not?" asked the reporter.

"Because those who really want to do it will ignore my advice and do it anyway."



Also, what sort of difficulties did you personally encounter?
(09-10-2016, 02:20 PM)sjel Wrote: [ -> ]Have you ever, conversely, attracted positive beings? As in, positive entities that are not necessarily "assigned" to you in this life, like your guides or angels. Are they as attracted to the light as negatives? It seems that when there is a light shining during personal energy work there is more risk for negative attention than positive. Also, what was the nature of your energy work? Forgive me for my questions, I am extremely new at this

Your questions are a little hard to answer. When I'm gathering\focusing energy, I can vaguely feel the presence of positive entities -I believe 4D- but I don't try to channel them or otherwise communicate with them beyond energy-sharing. So the answer is yes, others are attracted, but I don't really have more detail than that. However, I rarely if ever feel much of an additional negative presence. Since my focus at the moment in such sessions is mostly on green and indigo focusing, I suspect that is naturally repulsive to them.