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In reading "Autobiography of a Yogi," I found a sudden longing for a master-student relationship. Someone's signature on here is "When the student is ready, the master will appear."

Have any of y'all met your spiritual guru in this life? According to Ram Dass, everyone has one, but not everyone meets them in this life. For those individuals, the guru acts as the higher self. Perhaps even the guru could be considered one's higher self, incarnate.

Yeah, there is a teacher online who has a free empowerment and enlightenment course. I've watched tons of his videos. His name is Bentinho Massaro.

He has courses on Infinity as well. It's called the Trinfinity Academy. It used to cost, but now it's free.

But I never spoke with him directly. He answered many of the questions I had in his hour+ long videos.

I absolutely agree that when the student is ready, the teacher will appear. In the Eastern traditions, the guru is a big part of the path. I wouldn't say he's the incarnation of one's higher self though, YOU are.

It's not necessary to find a physical guru / teacher. I've read eastern writings and they say all the time "try as one might, he shall never find liberation without the guru." This is a cultural artifact, and I don't think one should take it literally. (at least in the west and at this time. 2500 years ago in Tibet and China is a different story.)

Indeed, the teacher will appear when you're ready. Maybe he's already appeared. We are given many opportunities that only await our reaching at the right time. (When one is ready. Not sooner, he will be given the opportunity and hopefully he is paying attention.) Which then invokes The Fool. And other archetypes comes into play. (A worthwhile study imo.)

So in my opinion, the time of guru chela relationships are over. Our third density is just about finished. One can find one's guru within himself. Don't be troubled if a mystical guru doesn't find you. From my understanding, it's an eastern concept that doesn't really fit too much with those coming from a western background. But that's only me! I cannot speak for others.

All is well, and if you have the desire, then you're golden. Ask and you shall receive. The teacher will most certainly appear when the student is ready. But the teacher can be many different things, not necessarily a physical being.

I think the western style is more geared towards mystery schools with initiation and various grades. I think most of us here have teachers on higher planes that are not in third density incarnation.

Edit:
I just wanted to add that I think that's it's definitely possible to be initiated without a guru, but a guru would certainly be helpful. I'm pretty sure that I was initiated in 2008 and it was frightening and I wish someone would have been there to tell me what was happening.

I think I was initiated when I mentally climbed the densities, all the way to the Octave density. It was pretty scary stuff. My mind couldn't handle it, but it felt so real.

But now I realize that reality works different than that. Climbing densities isn't like climbing stairs. It's not a linear thing.

Ever since I've been familiar with this concept I've imagined Ra is/are my guru/s

(12-18-2016, 03:46 PM)1109 Wrote: [ -> ]I just wanted to add that I think that's it's definitely possible to be initiated without a guru, but a guru would certainly be helpful. I'm pretty sure that I was initiated in 2008 and it was frightening and I wish someone would have been there to tell me what was happening.

Would you mind elaborating on your experience? Unless it's too personal for you to share of course. Would love to hear about it.

that is the best avatar I have seen in millennia! (octopus )

The world is the best guru.

(12-17-2016, 11:13 PM)sjel Wrote: [ -> ]In reading "Autobiography of a Yogi," I found a sudden longing for a master-student relationship.

That's odd!  The evening before you posted this thread, I had actually downloaded that Book, as it was something that I've had a desire to re-read for a couple of years now.  I just wanted to revisit it, as it was such a door-opener for me when I was just getting started on my own spiritual journey, all those many years ago.

So anyway - a nice synchro.  On that evening, I had actually read through the preface and introduction, and was actually on the first page of Chapter 1, when I put my tablet down, and said "I'd come back to that another day'.

(12-17-2016, 11:13 PM)sjel Wrote: [ -> ]Someone's signature on here is "When the student is ready, the master will appear."

Sure thing.  But not all teachers are incarnate as such.   Although it's much more tangible when they are.

(12-17-2016, 11:13 PM)sjel Wrote: [ -> ]Have any of y'all met your spiritual guru in this life?

I can't say that I have.  But I've not desired such a relationship, either.

(12-17-2016, 11:13 PM)sjel Wrote: [ -> ]According to Ram Dass, everyone has one, but not everyone meets them in this life. For those individuals, the guru acts as the higher self.

Like a lot of these things, the key word is Facilitate.  Someone with more experience can help facilitate understandings, processes, and remappings.  It's an invaluable tool, and is a service to both giver and receiver.  Obviously, the person doing the teaching/giving is acting in a service role, and the one 'receiving' is moved further along their path towards positive understanding/expression.

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(12-17-2016, 11:13 PM)sjel Wrote: [ -> ]Perhaps even the guru could be considered one's higher self, incarnate.

Sometimes there is a desire to meet someone who has 'completed' everything, so they somehow know all the answers.  But it's almost like an exaggeration of the desire to find some small Resolution in one's current state, to help kickstart the Process.

So I think, deep down, the deeper desire is to get things in motion, at least in the right direction.  You don't need a fully enlightened individual to facilitate that.  Sometimes all it takes is your Peers, who may know a few things that you don't; and likewise, you have insights and experiences that they haven't had.

My most important (and valued) friendships and relationships are working on this peer-to-peer level.

It's enough to keep me progressing.  Which is, I think, at the heart of all Seeking.  The sense of movement, progress, dealing with issues so that they are less harsh/obstructive than they have been.

Without that sense of movement, one can become quite despondent, and feel that doing anything doesn't make a single bit of difference to the world/oneself.

With that sense of movement, even the most personal, small-scale insights can be powerfully rewarding.

Again - it's having a sense of trajectory, as well as feeling that one is moving towards it, in some fashion.  

A 'guru' as a symbol/reality, may represent both those aspects in the one thing.  In that here is the 'Goal' - the guru - and here is the means/method - his teachings, interactions, trust.

Anyway - just my personal thoughts on the matter

take with as many grains of salt as needed.

Honestly, I don't think any incarnate human being is qualified to be my guru, in the sense of an incarnate higher self or the projection of a deity (ideas discussed in Tibetan and Indian texts).

I believe that we are all each other's teachers, and it is probably helpful to reserve the idea of guru to the higher self and assigned/chosen guides as these have an honor, duty, and obligation to help the individual in question.

While I fully respect the choices of those who utilize an incarnate master to gain wisdom and spiritual insight over time, the idea of pursuing the self directly resonates much more to me. I enjoy finding balance between theory and application, so I will spend some time studying spiritual materials written in the past and other time in meditation and daily life applying what I have learned. As it stands my focus is much more on applications rather than digesting theory, as I have digested enough theory to provide a solid foundation for the work I am immersing myself in now.

Oddly I have met my three guides(one is my higher self) and the other two guides have incarnate selves in 3D I have also met. They are much more enlightened in spirit. lol

So I've met my 3D guides but they just keep me company here. My higher self and theirs guide me.

I think in a way at some level we all here in 3D guide each other.
Sure we aren't fully aware here in the flesh but other selves lessons reflect and challenge our own.
Then if in touch with out higher selves we can work out what the lessons are and move through them without a flesh and blood leader.

Guru never seemed right for me, they can put you in the path sure, start you looking inside but all paths being different you are the only one capable of showing yourself what you need to learn.

No one is closer to your soul than you are capable of being.

Guru is like, saying there is an elite, instead of we are all equals at various levels of expansion from the same center.

I stopped looking for students because I never found anyone serious enough to follow the adept path.

It had to do with manifestation and my lack of understanding to it. If I set out to look for a student to teach, I find people who want to have everything spoon fed, if i say i don't have to worry and students will find me when they are ready, they seem to just pop up randomly out of nowhere.

Even then when I do agree to teach, I don't like being called guru or any type of moniker that would ellude to some kind of elevation beyond everything else since it is a spiritual honey pot trap.

A recent student of mine said to me how come you don't go out there to teach what you have to teach is valuable, and I said the right student comes along at the right time. He laughed and said things don't work like that, and i said yes they do, you haven't learned how to use your energy yet then.

We all possess sparks of the one infinite, however usually people either diminish or add to what is. Some of the comments here is no one is worthy to do so, sounds like you may not value yourself enough to see value in others.

Another comment here was talking about bentinho lol... he teaches bliss when he charged. and then when it became free he started changing his tune and talking about the shadow work as well. He has a spiritual retreat, honestly there is no place you can go in the world to become enlightened, the way through is within, Jesus always said go within, so what about that has to do with the outside world, location or otherwise?

Otherwise anyone could go to a leyline and automatically ascend straight to light body because they were at the right space time coordinate. I don't think that is the case. washington dc is situated on a major energetic ley, and you don't see any politicians bursting into light. They actually usually die shortly after retirement when moving away from the area.

How about just accepting that some people are adept in some areas of their lives while new at others and that not everyone is adept at the same thing.


I definitely searched out mentors, within various fields. I studied under a lot of psychics. i think someone who cannot access their abilities still have unblocking to do.

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You know, the times we find ourselves laughing at our situation in spite of it all, those embarrassing moments where we realize God is laughing so hard we would be fools not to join in. Sometimes the Universe will create a farce-field just for our benefit, and we remember that life is a situation comedy and we are just having an episode.

Says the Swami:

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Remember, any money spent on foolishness can't be spent on anything serious, and as you already know seriousness is one of the major causes of truth decay on the planet.


But seriously, folks...



Maharajji, popularly known in the West as "Neem Karoli Baba" (a misconscruzion of "Neeb Karori Baba")

“The person that you feel yourself to be, according to the Sufis, is a false person, which has no true reality.”

“When humility is exercised, people begin to realise that they do not, as it were, exist at all.”

“If you cannot laugh frequently and genuinely, you have no soul.”

“Feeling important is a vice, not a virtue, however concealed as participation in something noble.”  

“Progress comes through capacity to learn, and is irresistible.”  

“The institution of teachership is there for this reason, that the learner must learn how to learn.”

“If you seek a teacher, try to become a real student. If you want to be a student, try to find a real teacher.”

“Study institutions may become visible when the head is more emptied of imaginings.”  

“It is no accident that Sufis find that they can connect most constructively with people who are well integrated into the world, as well as having higher aims, and that those who adopt a sensible attitude towards society and life as generally known can usually absorb Sufi teachings very well indeed.”

― Idries Shah, Learning How to Learn: Psychology and Spirituality in the Sufi Way
http://www.idriesshahfoundation.org/book...-to-learn/

Meet Maharajji, and nothing can ever be the same. Trivia quiz: Did you know that God, Guru, and Self
are bloody well One?!  And that timespace is just one way of looking at things? True factz!


I first met Maharajji in the good old U.S. of A. ca. 1980; pretty good trick, seeing as how he died in India, in 1973.
Very interesting guy, with a very free-spirited relationship with materiality and temporality. Cool story, bro.


Cool story, big bro. Ram Dass is a hell of a guy -- if you get a chance, check out some of his talks on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfHRTuObTvw (R.D. hangin' with Emmanuel, a fully-licensed angel)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NhQZ6dJzIo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQnlLdvmlHU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iphWxL-aFM



“The means through which people may perceive Truth have forms; Truth has no form.” -- Idries Shah, ibid.

https://www.ramdass.org/thul-thul-nan-nan/
http://en.booksee.org/book/826558
http://neebkaroribaba.com/maharajji.html
http://bookzz.org/book/2172492/fbf26b 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d90BxXyjsDM (01:34)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3gZ-5pHlUE  Totally batsh*t insane, just the way I like it!



1008 jai Ram jai Sita jai Hanuman shri Guru! with love, shock, & awe from DeKalb "I've Been-Here-Now -- And All I Got Was This Lousy T-Shirt" Blues
Namaste नमस्ते  all the way, jai ho! राम राम राम

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUzs5dlLrm0

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By the way, Sjel, that book sounds like a hell of a read. Who knew that Yogi was into this kind of thing?! Evidently he's more spiritual than the average bear.


Though, come to think of it, he looks a bit like your average Shiva-ite Naga (naked) sadhu:


http://www.speakingtree.in/allslides/why...ar-clothes


What is seen cannot be unseen. O the ursinity!






Public service note from the Alaskan outback: When you're in barrr country, you have to be prepared, damn it. 
Me, I always make sure I've got an ample range of effective responses in two regimes-- first Flight, then Fight-- escalating my commitment incrementally in accordance with the perceived bruin threat level, thusly:

FLIGHT -- ASCENDING STAGES OF INTENSITY
1. http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2103/22511...c82709.jpg
2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ-CT_Dggk8&t=0s
3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dNiLa0IMKg
4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeZeRwFT9wc      
5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygE01sOhzz0  

FIGHT-- ASCENDING STAGES OF INTENSITY
1. [See last video above]
2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBvtGr1BfVQ
3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfP6sYzTNfQ
4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrgTtZXuj4w
5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSp7CipN1pw
6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNGi3mcb7qs
7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwlNPhn64TA
8. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU1QPtOZQZU
9. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OciFOp6DWJM

That'll learn them barrrz!



Cheers!

i'd have to say i'm my own guru.
i'm always most satisfied with the answers i get from within myself.

My guru is this image. It says all I need to know at this moment: