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Warning: Take this as part inferential and part speculative. An hypothesis of sorts.

The Confederation needs Spiritual Warriors

I mentioned this possible announcement by the Confederation in the Trump Presidency thread and I think it's worth exploring. 

http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthrea...#pid218054

Questions are:

1. Why does the Confederation need so-called Spiritual Warriors? Why a Yang emphasis?
2. What conditions have evolved to warrant this need? Has the Orion Alliance stepped up and intensified their efforts?     Is the Solar-Terran Logos condition requiring this as +4th density intensifies?
3. What defines a Spiritual Warrior in comparison to Wanderers or +3D/+4D Terrans?
4. What new roles are the 53+ Planetary Societies playing during this transition period into +4th density? 
5. What new roles can Wanderers play during this transition period into +4th density?  
6. Did the dynamic duo of Wilcock (Batman) and Goode (Robin) put you up to this?

Questions #1 and #2 can be addressed here.

Why a Yang emphasis during this Transition Period?

The Earth, as a Terran-Logos, made its initial crossing into +4th density on or around the 1930's. At that time it made a unique transition in terms of density, sub-density and sub-sub-density. 

Densities are octaves and analogous to the musical octave scale. So the 8th note of a lower octave becomes the 1st note of the next higher octave. In terms of density that should mean that the 8th sub-density of 3rd density becomes the 1st sub-density of 4th density. They intersect as one sub-density.

This intersection can be written as 3.8D/4.1D and can be further extended to sub-sub-density as 3.8.1D/4.1.1D marking the 1st sub-sub-density co-occurring during this intersecting period. 

Some might ask why not 3.8.8D/4.1.1D as the initial intersection? It's because the evolutionary stages show 3.7.7D shifting to 3.7.8D/3.8.1D which also marked the transition and intersection into the next density of 4.1.1D. So you could write 3.7.8D/4.1.1D but that's just 3.8.1D/4.1.1D.

So now this equivalence relation between 3.8D and 4.1D allows for a sub-sub-density transition into 3.8.1D/4.1.1D, and then into 3.8.2D/4.1.2D, and then into 3.8.3D/4.1.3D -- and what I think is now into 3.8.4D/4.1.4D. 

In terms of density, sub-density and sub-sub-density the odd numbered stages are Yin and the even numbered stages are Yang. Recall that from 1st to 2nd density is the extending out and moving towards a source of light and love. This is active and regenerative and reproductive as biolife.

So the 2nd density has a predominance of Yang, although it continues to integrate its Yin 1st density and also pass through Yin sub-densities ie 2.1D, 2.3D etc. The 3rd density is predominant Yin as inward and self-reflective to achieve self awareness. Of course it integrates the Yang instincts of 2nd density and Yang sub-densities of 3.2D, 3.4D etc.

So now the outgoing 3.8D and incoming 4.1D intersect or overlap and there's an extra complex mix of Yang and Yin during this intersecting transitional period. The completion of this transitional period into 4th density should occur into 4.2D which marks a new sub-density with no overt 3rd density vibration. 

But let's examine the prelims first.

3.8.1D/4.1.1D -- Much Yang energy from initial "8" and "4" of sub-density and density vbrations respectively, and only Yin modulated by "1" sub-density and "1" and "1" sub-sub-density vibrations. 

Tumultuous and emotionally intense times with some inner-seeking or practice via Occult or Mystery schools from Yin times being re-asserted. Nazi's embraced the Occult plus secret Banking system (Skull and Bones) supporting Hitler. 1930's -1940's.

3.8.2D/4.1.2D -- More Yang energy encountered during "2" and "2" sub-sub-densities of fight and flight animal instinct. Male dominant activities as military industrial complex and the Cold War show from 1940's to 1960's. The outward disclosure period of UFOs being seen and Eisenhower meeting with ETs offers a hopeful sign of 4th density. Integrating and developing Yin of 3.8.1D/4.1.1D with some counter movements ie Gandhi and other religious leaders. 

3.8.3D/4.1.3D -- An infusion of Yin from the Drug, Music and Eastern Philosophy of mid 1960's as "3" and "3" sub-sub-densities take hold. Travel to the Moon and satelites to other planets provide a tamer Yang outlet which gives us an holistic Yin perspective of our Earth and Human species. Earth Day events and environmentalism. The Vietnam War to the Iraq War shows Yang of past 3.8.2D/4.1.2D is not well integrated although Yin peace movements and feminism counteract. This extra Yin vibration of integration and the "3-ness" of self-reflection and self-awareness allows for a longer period for processing and thus a longer 1960's to 2016-ish time frame. 

Jim, Don and Carla use a Yin form of channeling to contact ETs. Wanderers self-reflect and are passive radiators. The "3-ness" of the internet as a potential Global Society versus Illuminati-type Globalism.

3.8.4D/4.1.4D -- A new infusion of Yang plus "4-ness" via sub-sub-densities which intensifies 4th density as a +4D powershift provided by the Solar-Terran Logos interaction. This "4-ness" is also unprecedented with no past Terran referent to provide a rationale. So therefore it is unpredictable and paradigm-shattering even to Wanderers.

The Yang of this "4-ness" also suggests this notion of Spiritual Warrior and more active and outward involvement with the Confederation in a more dynamic and direct CE-6 collaboration. This is due to inner and outer planes converging and portals opening as the Solar-Terran Logos realizes itself as a more expressive and capable MTL Organism or Complex. 

The Mythos-Topos-Logos nature of Terra suggested by Jose Arguelleles "Earth Ascending" (also his Harmonic Convergence of 1987) is becoming more dominant to where it is going through an "Imperator Truth" and "Imperator Expose and Purge" phase that leverages this new +4D powershift to expose and purge the -3D and -4D groups and ETs that are experiencing agitative and dis-integrative effects.

The clarity and Yang expressiveness of racial, gender, sexual, religious and ethical polarization is now at a heightened state in this 3.8.4D/4.1.4D stage and is where it is in a prime and receptive condition for Spiritual Warriors and active radiators of love and wisdom to participate. Of course a balanced spiritual breathing of Yang and Yin is needed, so meditation and passive radiation of love and wisdom is always required.

Again the 4D Yang infusion will bring about unpredictable and unprecedented events due to the nature of the +4D powershift which results in intensified personal and collective intentions, motivations and actions that are increasingly magical in potency.  The moderating and supportive role of the Confederation Hierarchy and its ET members will thus be more pronounced in ways more direct (CE-6) than what occurred during the earlier Yang phase of 3.8.2D/4.1.2D in the 1950's and 1960's. 

Eisenhower met with ETs back then so will Trump have a meet and greet with 4D Quanta and other 4D ET groups that plan to emigrate to Terra? Will they guide him and others on how to manuever through this reactionary period that will occur as the -3D and -4D factions raise hell one more time?

I rushed through the end of this so there's much more to cover regarding this newly entered stage. Feedback from others is more than welcomed.

I'll also speculate on the next stage of 3.8.5D/4.1.5D in another post. Bring on the Yin of more Feminine Wisdom. 

I'd like to posit the idea that the octave of densities can be looked at 8-12. The reason why is because Carla made this statement comparing the throat chakra in western vs eastern traditions where in eastern the throat chakra has two, one for receiving, and the other for giving.

then Ra is like.. you can find any number of densities within just 1 spectrum of color, visible light or color being 1 octave of frequency itself.

December 18, 2005

We would take note of the way the question was phrased in simply saying that there is no true difference in the way that density and dimension are used, so that whether you are talking about the third dimension or the third density it is, in general, understood by students of metaphysical work that one is speaking of a quantum or certain kind of energy. The more appropriate of the two words for working with the concept of the octave of densities in creation is the word density rather than dimension. However, these two words are used interchangeably for the most part, not only by this instrument but also by many others whose works this instrument has read.

The densities, macrocosmically speaking, are reproduced faithfully within the energy of each and every entity that is in incarnation on planet Earth at this time. Each of you has an energy body which contains elements that are as true in pitch as the notes of a scale.
The difference between conventional octaves within your Western modalities of physical notation creates a choice of various scales among the twelve notes that make up the diatonic scale, so-called, within one octave of one your [musical] instruments. In music this twelve-tone scale is a creation whereby in twelve half-tones the tones are created from octave to octave so that the twelfth tone is the same as the first.
That diatonic scale sounds like this.

(Carla sings the twelve-tone scale of one octave.)

In contrast, the major scale chooses eight of those twelve notes and sounds like this.

(Carla sings the octave with an eight-tone scale.)

There is a minor scale and there are modal scales within the Western system of musical notation, all of which have eight notes. It is to be noted in this regard, still speaking of music, that in the Eastern or Oriental ways of producing tone, there is no precise way of grading notes. Not only are quarter-tones appreciated and differentiated but also those who are gifted musically can produce by their voice or upon an instrument that is unfretted [2] an infinite number of gradations which have values less than a quarter-tone.
This is why Eastern music is fundamentally different in its effect upon the listener than Western music. Western music lives in modular boxes of differentiation that have neat and regular borders, whereas the Oriental approach offers an infinite landscape in which to create tone.
If one gazes into the thinking and the culture of the West and the East, we would suggest that many inferences could be drawn by this difference. The tendency of the Western or Occidental orientation of mind is to choose the major scale or one of the eight-tone scales to listen to in music. It is not by chance that this choice is natural to the Occidental culture.
The reason for the use of an eight-chakra system, which is the seven chakras and the octave chakra, or the eighth, being the same as the first, only an octave higher, is that the Occidental culture is like a younger version of the older Oriental twelve-tone system. There are fewer gradations, fewer differentiations, and a clearer, simpler, plainer structure for looking at the self and structuring ways to interact with one’s own energy system.
On the other hand, the twelve-chakra system is indicative of the further articulation of energies and the use of energy which is more typical of Asian, Eastern or Oriental thought.
The eight-chakra system has been discussed previously, and so we will very briefly review that system. The red-ray chakra is concerned mostly with survival and sexuality. The orange-ray chakra, located in the lower belly, is associated with issues of personal relationship. The yellow-ray chakra, or the solar plexus energy center, is associated with the energies of interacting with groups. The green-ray or heart chakra is associated with opening the heart and discovering one’s own sacred nature. The throat chakra or blue-ray energy center is connected with communication. The indigo-ray center at the brow is associated with the disciplines of the personality and work in consciousness, and the violet-ray chakra, which is the crown chakra, is associated with that readout of momentary reality that is expressing at any given moment and is a system readout for the entire energy body that is what we would call the Occidental or Western chakra structure.
The subtleties of the twelve-chakra system can be very helpful to students of metaphysics. It begins the same way as does the Western system, the first chakra being connected with issues of sexuality and survival.
The second chakra, however, is divided in the Eastern system into two energy centers, one of which deals strictly with the self relating to the self. The second of these so-called orange-ray energy centers deals with the self in relation to other selves.
The solar plexus chakra remains unified in the Eastern system. However, after the solar plexus is left, and before one reaches what in the Western system is the heart chakra, there is a chakra which this instrument has often spoken of as the outer court of the heart.
It is helpful to realize that moving into the heart is not an unalloyed and simple joy. It is a process that in its inception can create a great deal of difficulty for the student and the seeker. The difficulty of moving into the heart is that one must bring all of the self into the heart in order for that space to become truly sacred. Most seekers are quite astonished when they first enter their own hearts to discover that there is a real perceived problem with meeting one’s shadow side.
After all the work of realizing that we are spiritual beings has been done, after clearing issues of personalities, sexuality, survival, personal relationships and all of the work that each entity is doing with groups, an entity that is seeking feels balanced and eager to enter that spacious holiness of the open heart.
However, the first thing that most entities find upon entering this space is that, just as in the story within your New Testament of the entity known as Jesus the Christ walking into the temple and seeing all the sellers of doves and so forth which entities could buy for sacrifice, entities walking into their own hearts find that there are sellers of doves there hawking busily away with their own agendas.
Little do most seekers know just how much of their personalities have been subverted and taken over by cultural expectations, parental teaching, and other sources of information which create assumptions and theories of how things are that simply do not meet the standards of purity that the particular space of the open heart requires in order for the seeker to penetrate from the outer courtyard to the inner sanctum.
This is related to that concept or idea of that which is called psychic greeting or psychic attack. The outer courtyard of the heart is that place where those portions of your personality shell that have been allowed to express themselves without your being aware of their presence make their presence known.
In many cases, entities will experience these energies as attacks. Perhaps they will feel that there is an entity that is attacking them from the outside, with some sort of overshadowing or attacking going on. Others have more sensitivity in discerning the source of such seeming attack and can pinpoint the energy as being within the system of the self. Whether these attacking energies are seen as part of the self or as coming from outside the self, fundamentally speaking, we may say that in our opinion they are part of the self in that all things are one and you as individual selves are actually tuning into the space and time that is articulated by the parameters of one particular kind of energy.
Therefore, that which seems very personal and very threatening in many cases is in actuality not a threat but simply that portion of self which has gone unnoticed and, therefore, undeveloped.
There is great virtue in being willing to spend time in that outer courtyard of the open heart and to see that as a separate chakra or energy center; to spend time with those sellers of doves for sacrifice to discover why your culture felt that sacrifice was necessary, and why certain elements or essences within your personality have been chosen to be sacrificed.

We speak in extremely non-literal terms here, and are basically speaking of all of those energies of self that have escaped your attention up until now. Perhaps they did not so much escape your attention as that you felt that they were unworthy of attention. There are energies such as shame, guilt, jealousy and anger that are systematically and ritually downplayed and discouraged in terms of outer expression within your culture. Nevertheless, these too need to be taken up, brought up into the light of attention, and given respect. These, too, are ways that you feel. These, too, are worthy to be examined, inspected, analyzed and accompanied in whatever amount of time it takes for you to begin to be able to see their virtue and their value.
Many seemingly rough and negative aspects of character and personality are precisely those energies that create a true depth to understanding any genuine stability and steadiness of attention.
The quality of anger, for instance, once translated into unquenchable stubbornness in dedication to service, can become the powerhouse that it was intended to be, but this cannot occur until the virtue of anger is seen straight on, for its own self and its own essence.
The outer sanctum of the heart chakra is therefore a really powerful and very hurly-burly sort of energy. And to move from the outer courtyard to the inner sanctum of the heart becomes a much more clear and focused movement when that outer heart is given its own private place.
Another difference between what we would call the Western and Eastern chakra system is that immediately after the heart chakra and before the [throat or blue-ray] chakra of open communication there is an added energy center in the Eastern system. To explicate why this becomes very helpful, it is well to point out that the green-ray or heart chakra is the first energy center in which the possibility of a true energy exchange exists.
The lower chakras, having to do with the self, its survival issues, its sexuality, its relationships with self and other selves personally, and its relationship with groups, are all energies that may seem to be in need of balancing and clearing so that they are neither under-activated nor over-activated. But one cannot share energy between red ray and red ray, or orange ray, or yellow ray.
One may impress those energies upon another self, and because of the strength of your energy system, it is possible for energy to be impressed from you to another person, or for another person to impress you with their energy. It is, however, an overlay. It is time-bound in its effect and will wear off naturally. Many of your faith healers, so called, are those who are healing either from the orange or the yellow-ray chakra and they are impressing their understanding and their environment upon another. Those who are able to accept those impressions are able to experience quite a bit of release from various ailments for a certain time period. However, in every case where it is at the level below the heart, those energies will not persevere and will fade away naturally.
Only when one moves into the open heart can one begin to share energy; to exchange energy with another; to give love and to receive love. The great blessing of opening the heart and keeping it open is that, working from the open heart, all of the functions of the lower energy centers are recreated as sacred.
The chakras above the level of the heart are also energy centers from which energy exchanges can be made. The reason that this information is helpful in discussing the chakras that come after the heart chakra in the Eastern system is that there is this [additional] energy center [which] captures a structure that is missing completely from the Western system. There is a subtlety here that can only be appreciated by those who {have] done quite a bit of work in consciousness. It involves what this instrument has termed a 90-degree phase shift.
These are not words that have an objective referent for this instrument, but they represent a phrase she has heard many, many times in speaking with one known as Don Elkins, who was largely working from concepts created by the one known as George Williamson. The key concept of this added chakra is that in this turning after the heart chakra, the turn includes the whole of the unseen realms of the metaphysical of the time/space universe.
It is an energy center that is focused upon right relationship with the extended family that one has in the unseen realms. The greatest part of this family for seekers is that portion that is connected with guidance. Each entity has a guidance system and access to this guidance system is extremely helpful. If one focuses upon this particular energy center, one can do very precise work in opening oneself to the guidance that lies within.
The other differences between Eastern and Western chakra systems has to do with subtleties within work in consciousness in communication, which is the blue-ray energy center. There is a division in the Eastern system between the communication of self with self and the communication of self with other selves.
Further, there is a third division which deals with the communication of the self with the extended family of guides, presences, essences and entities that are connected with the self.
We say this realizing that the subtleties are such that we cannot say to you in general what those various essences are. Each individual creates a web of family throughout not only the incarnation which you are enjoying at this time, but also those entities with whom you have worked between incarnations, those entities that you have worked with in past incarnations, and the known planetary, non-local energies which have been drawn to you as a local entity within incarnation because of your work within incarnation and work you have done between incarnations.
Each of you within this circle and each to whom we speak in the extended family of internet and listener and reader-ship that is constantly growing contains a large, loving, extended family that awaits your focus and your request for help in order to become more active within your life. It is important to remember, therefore, to request help from your guidance system.
The other added chakra in this Eastern system is very difficult for us to express to you. Once the readout of violet ray has been cleared, there is an additional chakra in the Eastern system which is dedicated to that point where the energy of self spirals from the now into the possibilities of the future. It is the point which this instrument would call the gateway to intelligent infinity.



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really i want to post the whole thing. full txt can be found here http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._1218.aspx

Hey Blatz

You're talking about the semitone scale of 12 half notes which has it's use. But the full note octave scale related to density/octave is prevalent in the Ra Material. There's a plethora of references throughout the books.

Just a quick note regarding this idea of a +4D powershift -- there's news of a recent unknown sourced energy wave (microwave) that enveloped and penetrated our Earth. To some degree the microwaves can penetrate but some claim that it can reach the core. Well if neutrinos are also carriers for the microwaves then perhaps that could occur.

Anyway, it conforms or is consistent with the 3.8.4D/4.1.4D and unprecedented +4D powershift hypothesis.

Question to raise and pursue. What is the source?

Large Wave Of Energy From Unknown Source Hitting Earth Now
http://reflectionofmind.org/large-wave-e...earth-now/

https://steemit.com/news/@ausbitbank/str...dutchsince

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCyLWFZoAlE

To Blatz and to Plenum

Blatz that is a very useful session of Dec 18 2005 and I'm using it to research the Chakra or Energy Center system based on a "universal template" idea that goes back to the thread with a graphic based on intersecting unit circles in a "complex plane" of inner and outer number values. The unit circles are absolutes in a sense and one is absolute constancy (love) while the other is absolute variation (free will). This is from another Quo session.

http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthrea...#pid202329

Just a quick note: Quo via Carla talks of the diatonic scale as 12 half notes but that's actually called the chromatic scale. The diatonic scale of major tones is the 7 note octave. So the Eastern Chakra system is based on the chromatic scale.

The so-called universal template from the graphic shows the 7 basic chakras which intersect according to geometric triangle dynamics and to the 2nd root of 3 with divisions by 2, 3 and 6. So the 2nd root reflects a natural bipolar and "transrational" nature to 3-ness whereby 3 has its own metaphysical meaning in terms of stable and sustainable manifestation.

There is also the 2nd root of 1 as +1 and -1 which provided the unit scale to determine polarity.

And there is possibly the 2nd root of 2 with divisions by 2, 3 and 6 which adds to the chakra system as described by Quo in the Dec 18 2005 session. So again the 2nd root of 2 reflects a bipolar and "transrational" nature to 2-ness which relates the dyadic connection between the major chakras.

So these can define the minor centers that are described by Quo in the Eastern system.

Using Quo's descriptions here are the minor and major centers.

1. Red as survival and sexuality
2. Red/Orange as personal relationship of self to self.
3. Orange as personal relationship of self to other
4. * Orange/Yellow -- not described by Quo but has 2nd root of 2 meaning
5. Yellow as relationship of self to groups
6. Yellow/Green as outer court of the heart
7. Green as inner court of heart
8. Green/Blue as communication of self with self
9. Blue as communication of self with other
10. Blue/Indigo as communication and guidance with cosmic family and essences
11. Indigo as disciplines of the personality and work in consciousness
12. Indigo/Violet as point where energy of self spirals from the now into the possibilities of the future.
13. Violet as a readout for the entire energy body

There is a proportion of polarity ascribed to each center in terms of -ccs and + cco where cc is an affective-emotion term as "care and concern" which is between and relates "focus" and "service" as function terms to describe intention, motivation and action.

That's a quick synopsis which should be rewritten in the above linked thread with the graphic.

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Plenum I read your Yellow Ray article and it was a great overview plus your own personal experience to make it poignant and relatable. Thanks for sharing that too.

The one thing I noticed was assigning Relationship as Yellow Ray's fundamental nature but not pointing out its specific kind of relationship based on the nature of Orange Ray as personal relationship.

I take it as Orange Ray as the inter-face between personal self and the other-self while Yellow Ray as inter-face between interpersonal or transpersonal societal self and the other societal self.

I kind of disagree with you on a few other items but it may just be more semantics than anything else.

Here's a couple points.

You say:

The ‘Negative Approach

Our human history and civilization is filled to the brink with horror stories. Stories of warfare, domination, religious impositions. The negative approach to yellow ray is to force a certain kind of ‘Conformity’ on other-selves, which is backed by both law and threat of physical punishment.

My response:

Two examples, the Playground rules of conformity is that no child bullies another child. High School rules are no high school student can come into school drunk or high on drugs. Should we respect their individuality and allow bullying and intoxication?

You say:

The society is then defined by some sort of ‘Code’, which comes down from those in positions of Power. It doesn’t matter if the Code is benevolent in nature, or has Ideals that are seemingly noble or worthwhile, it’s the fact that it’s imposed that makes it negative in nature.

My response:

So to impose codes of not killing another human being or to rape or sexually abuse children is negative? To impose a rule to a child to not put her hands on a stove so that she don't burn herself is negative?

How is it positive to not impose these codes in these situations? "I'm serving you by letting you do as you want?"

The point about "imposing" is problematic. You mention in the Positive Approach the need for organization but there seems to be some degree of imposition no matter how respectful towards others personal rights and freedoms.

You say:

It’s not chosen by Free Will in other words. Free Will is not about finding the ‘right answer’; it’s more about how one goes about the business of determining what the ‘right answer’ is.

My response:

Are you personifying Free Will when you say "it's not chosen by Free Will? Maybe Free Will chooses to impose some order and structure as with our Fixed Octave of natural laws of physics to have a framework to explore Free Will.

What about the Free Will of those who are trying to guide others? You seem to define Free Will as basically a blend of relativism and subjectivism -- it rejects absolutes and objective "outer and other than self" reality. It borders on solipsism.

You say:

And so any top-down hierarchical system is enforcing negative yellow ray patterns on it’s members. This can happen on a very large scale (on the level of societies and countries), and even on the very smallest scale, in how 2 individuals choose to inter-relate to each other. It becomes a yellow-ray experience when a self and another-self intersect in any way.

My response:

The Confederation has a top-down hierarchical system that is imposed from the Council of Saturn. How do you reconcile this with being "negative"? Call it a necessary evil? Or provide "negative" with a more nuanced meaning.

;-P

So other than that....hey it stimulates a interesting convo which can be continued in the thread where the chakra graphic above is located.

A Person's Ethical Focus, Range and Volatility
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=12390

This post was to address Blatz's post to show that, in that session, Quo doesn't ascribed to a 12-fold density model but to the 12-fold Eastern chakra system. Now back to posts related to the OP.

(12-25-2016, 08:03 PM)4Dsunrise Wrote: [ -> ]You say:

The ‘Negative Approach

Our human history and civilization is filled to the brink with horror stories. Stories of warfare, domination, religious impositions. The negative approach to yellow ray is to force a certain kind of ‘Conformity’ on other-selves, which is backed by both law and threat of physical punishment.

My response:

Two examples, the Playground rules of conformity is that no child bullies another child. High School rules are no high school student can come into school drunk or high on drugs. Should we respect their individuality and allow bullying and intoxication?

It depends on the subset on which this is being applied.  A group that comes together by free-will choice, for a certain agreed outcome, can agree/negotiate the parameters by which such 'Work' can be done.  If one finds the rules/protocols untenable, then one can walk away.

My original statement was more intended to apply to state/feudal level systems, where one cannot walk away.  Think of many communist states where, it would seem to be reasonable to let dissenters emigrate.  And yet, they keep them 'imprisoned' because to let someone walk away from such a system would demonstrate the lack of control they have over their populace (and also everyone would mass-flee from such undesirable conditions).

So my statement was intended to be taken on that level.

(12-25-2016, 08:03 PM)4Dsunrise Wrote: [ -> ]You say:

The society is then defined by some sort of ‘Code’, which comes down from those in positions of Power. It doesn’t matter if the Code is benevolent in nature, or has Ideals that are seemingly noble or worthwhile, it’s the fact that it’s imposed that makes it negative in nature.

My response:

So to impose codes of not killing another human being or to rape or sexually abuse children is negative? To impose a rule to a child to not put her hands on a stove so that she don't burn herself is negative?

How is it positive to not impose these codes in these situations? "I'm serving you by letting you do as you want?"

The point about "imposing" is problematic. You mention in the Positive Approach the need for organization but there seems to be some degree of imposition no matter how respectful towards others personal rights and freedoms.

I think I recall Ra's statement regards 'thou shalt not'.

"16.20 Questioner: It would be unlike an entity fully aware of the knowledge of the Law of One to ever say “Thou shalt not.” Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct."

Our legal system is based on 'thou shalt not' principles.

83.14 Questioner: I would say that a very high percentage of the laws and restrictions within what we call our legal system are of a nature of enslavement of which I just spoke. Would you agree with this?

Ra: I am Ra. It is a necessary balance to the intention of law, which is to protect, that the result would encompass an equal distortion towards imprisonment.

The difficulty lies in dissonance of approach.  I think this is the main reason why 4d positive and 4d negative societies go their own way.  4d positives would not be interested in disrespectful actions regards another self, and so there would be no need for a 'legal code' to keep those negative desires in check.

In a 4d negative society, there is a strict pecking order of power, and if you try to abuse someone above your paygrade, then woe on you.  The downward level of abuse, though, is unchecked, and even encouraged.

So basically everyone gets to experience the kind of 'vibration' that they sign onto.  If you want to be uber-negative in 3d, go ahead.  You might not enjoy the fruit of starting at the bottom of the foodchain in the next society in which you find yourself.

In terms of your Question though, being on a mixed polarity planet makes those questions very fraught.  

(12-25-2016, 08:03 PM)4Dsunrise Wrote: [ -> ]You say:

It’s not chosen by Free Will in other words. Free Will is not about finding the ‘right answer’; it’s more about how one goes about the business of determining what the ‘right answer’ is.

My response:

Are you personifying Free Will when you say "it's not chosen by Free Will? Maybe Free Will chooses to impose some order and structure as with our Fixed Octave of natural laws of physics to have a framework to explore Free Will.

What about the Free Will of those who are trying to guide others? You seem to define Free Will as basically a blend of relativism and subjectivism -- it rejects absolutes and objective "outer and other than self" reality. It borders on solipsism.

I see Free Will as the Free Will of Interpretation ... and not the Free Will of Action.  Of course, when actions are impinged upon, it will necessarily affect the Interpretation/Law of Confusion.

And you are right: free will is entirely subjective.  People can wander into realms of self-insanity, because they've chosen certain tenets which are totally against the natural grain/flow.

(12-25-2016, 08:03 PM)4Dsunrise Wrote: [ -> ]You say:

And so any top-down hierarchical system is enforcing negative yellow ray patterns on it’s members. This can happen on a very large scale (on the level of societies and countries), and even on the very smallest scale, in how 2 individuals choose to inter-relate to each other. It becomes a yellow-ray experience when a self and another-self intersect in any way.

My response:

The Confederation has a top-down hierarchical system that is imposed from the Council of Saturn. How do you reconcile this with being "negative"? Call it a necessary evil? Or provide "negative" with a more nuanced meaning.

And yet, the Council of Saturn is entirely 'happy' to see planets/3d societies destroy themselves, to the point where they not only become uninhabitable, but 100% of the Residents perish.

Their level of 'hands off' until there is a Free Will Calling is very resolute.  The Creator (being experienced) is totally allowed to run it's course.

Atlantis and Lemuria were both sunk, because this was a 3d affair, and it's not their place to get involved.

I see the Council of Saturn as primarily administrative.  In that within the bounds of the Octave system, they are just licensing the particular experience that our Logos has set in motion, with the foundational parameters that were chosen.  Ie, Veil or no Veil, the kind of archetypes that are preferred, etc.

Social Memory Complexes can apply to be part of the Confederation, but perhaps the way I am using the term Hierarchy is with an implied, automatic slant.

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as you say, we are probably disagreeing on levels of nuance, rather than overall Principle.

(12-25-2016, 08:03 PM)4Dsunrise Wrote: [ -> ]The one thing I noticed was assigning Relationship as Yellow Ray's fundamental nature but not pointing out its specific kind of relationship based on the nature of Orange Ray as personal relationship.

I take it as Orange Ray as the inter-face between personal self and the other-self while Yellow Ray as inter-face between interpersonal or transpersonal societal self and the other societal self.

I think there are some strong merits to what you've conveyed there.  I definitely see the orange ray as being the seat of the Incarnate Personality, and so it could be seen as how one relates Personality to Personality.

And then yellow-ray is more the 'socially constructed self' and how we engage in groups/institutional settings.  Like family, schools, government, corporations, legal frameworks.

For eg, posting in a forum setting, is almost entirely public, and would definitely 'test' the balances of yellow ray.  Whereas interpersonal email contact is limiting the audience and narrowing it down to almost one, in many cases.

And yellow-ray is also about the capacity to be 'influential' in a social setting.  Just because one participates in a larger group, counts for nothing if one's efforts are just cast aside as being irrelevant or inapplicable to the concerns of that group dynamic.

So Albert Schweitzer was able to make a compelling case for his Humanitarian Work, and raise funds through concerts, etc.

Ra Wrote:Albert, who went into a strange and, to it, a barbaric society in order that it might heal. This entity was able to mobilize great amounts of energy and what you call money. This entity spent much green-ray energy both as a healer and as a lover of your instrument known as the organ.

This entity’s yellow ray was bright and crystallized by the efforts needed to procure the funds to promulgate its efforts.

Personally, I would suggest being leery of the term "spiritual warrior."  It's a deeply contradictory concept and would be very easy to mis-apply on Earth.  Just for starters, everything is "spiritual."  It really is just a matter of positive vs negative, not spiritual vs profane.  To look at the conflict as being one of "good guys" vs "bad guys" in any significant way (no matter what terms are being used) is an inherently negative-influenced perspective.

Because, what would a "warrior" on the side of Positivity do in 4D?  Ra explains it somewhat in Session 25 (with a little added emphasis):

Quote:At the level of time/space at which this takes place in the form of what you may call thought-war, the most accepting and loving energy would be to so love those who wished to manipulate that those entities were surrounded, engulfed, and transformed by positive energies.

This, however, being a battle of equals, the Confederation is aware that it cannot, on equal footing, allow itself to be manipulated in order to remain purely positive, for then though pure it would not be of any consequence, having been placed by the so-called powers of darkness under the heel, as you may say.

It is thus that those who deal with this thought-war must be defensive rather than accepting in order to preserve their usefulness in service to others. Thusly, they cannot accept fully what the Orion Confederation wishes to give, that being enslavement. Thusly, some polarity is lost due to this friction and both sides, if you will, must then regroup.

The natural state of a "pure" positive entity is one of absolute acceptance and love.  They are waging a DEFENSIVE battle which basically just boils down to telling negative entities "No thank you" over and over.  Yet even that level of rejection is inherently depolarizing.  

That's a far cry from what the linked post in the Trump thread calls for: "an amplified Expose and Purge operation to permanently eradicate the toxic and disease-borne agents of -3D/4D and their residual thought structures."  That is not a truly positive way of behaving or thinking.  Eradication is simply not the positive way.  I rarely speak in such absolutes, but I feel it's important here.  That would fundamentally be a control-focused activity, far beyond the passive\defensive thought-warfare activities Ra describes positive entities engaging in.

It would, in short, be playing the negatives' own game.  

Which means it would not just be depolarizing, but quite possibly very depolarizing.  And if the end goal is to increase the level of positive energy in\on the planet, it suggests the entire effort could easily become self-defeating.   After all, a 4D entity can "fall back" within the S/M/C it's attached to and renew its positive energies.  Such action is much more difficult here on Earth. Falling into Nietzsche's Abyss is a very real risk for those behind the veil, cut off from the love/light as we are.

I would say, if someone truly feels called to be a warrior for the positive side, that call would simply be towards spreading extra love and wisdom, through whatever means they can.  It would not mean going on the attack in any way, shape, or form.  It would mean seeking extra love and acceptance even of those one might find personally repulsive, and only saying "No" or being rejecting of them in the most singularly needful of circumstances.  To, if nothing else, simply meditate and increase one's connection to one's higher guides\selves, in hopes of increasing Green, Blue, and\or Indigo ray radiation in one's immediate vicinity.  

The only way to increase love at work in the planet is simply to increase love.  Full stop. No more, no less. 

And one cannot increase love by attacking the unloving.

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Now, of course, I'm not here to tell anyone what path they are following or should follow.  If one truly feels compelled to attempt to be of service by going on the attack against those perceived as negative, that's their business.  But I still think it's important to consider the implicit risks involved in such actions, and ponder whether they truly would bring about the outcomes which are desired.

To Plenum -- I think it was semantics and nuance that made the difference. The Eastern System is interesting with its extra nuance.

To APW -- Yes pure positivety or ~100% STO would not appreciate this Spiritual Warrior approach so that's why it's addressed to early +4D with an emphasis of the Yang which, as I state hypothetically, is potentially more prominent in 3.8.4D/4.1.4D. Just hypothetically.

And true, an expose and purge phase is not pretty and is actually a rough and tumble phase where Yang lessons in + polarity may be gained. As I stated before it's not for every Wanderer, and out of the 100+ or so million here on Terra Firma it's probably a small percentage.

Yes, we are called right now because the Yang energy is required for manifestation, there has been abundance of Yin dreaming, designing, planning, desiring, but it is when the Yang is applied to the Yin that the manifestation takes place.

Being a Warrior is a very divided concept in this modern era. It usually is associated with violence, battle, honour and the like. The concept of the Warrior has basically been blended with that of the Soldier and to most people these are basically the same thing, but not according to the Old Ways. A Warrior is someone who has decided to stand up for something. This can be either passively or actively. Some warriors are dishonourable and they only stand up for their own greed and desires but there are those rare warriors who strive to stand up for something greater.

This is a time when the Warriors need to stand up for the Light and not just in principle of brilliance and brightness, but also that of order being brought in to chaos. I believe we are in a time where there is an abundance of chaos, brought in by many various chaos magicians and apocalyptic magical groups. The kind of Warriorship we need now is not about a physical fight, but a mental and emotional one. Harmony, cooperation, sensibility, reason, compassion, all these things are swinging way out of balance with chaos in the world.

A Warrior in this Light is one who stands up for stability, who becomes an anchor which gives direction to the ensuing chaos. This is why the traits of interdependence, courage, boldness, and leadership had always been lauded in the Warrior because the Warrior is meant to stand between the helpless and the innocent and buffet the chaos that would otherwise destroy the community.

We do not need fighters or soldiers who are just ready to scrap. We need Warriors capable of wisdom, insight and acting in the greater interests of the community. We need leaders who will lead with love and not just their own desires. So, we need humble warriors who realize that to don the mantle of the Warrior is to make sacrifices for those you love and protect. The genuine Warrior takes this responsibility on for themselves, by themselves and adheres to it by his honour. Thus, the Warrior should never be swayed from his principles, especially not by money, else they are little more than a mercenary.

The consept of the confederation needing anything feels off, Warriors as a title for what it might "need" seems even more so.

We need to remember our essence our true self and by doing that we change the balance of the collective consciousness. Still I'm not sure the confederation "needs" anything.

At the right time it will unfold as its meant to and no sooner.

One being lightens the load of the collective consciousness by healing and remembering, little by little it gets easier to heal and remember because the collective consciousness will be so light.

No urgency or war just self awareness/acceptance/forgiveness/love of self and otherself, the rest is like a snowball rolling down a hill.

It's how I see it anyways

(12-23-2016, 06:43 PM)4Dsunrise Wrote: [ -> ]Hey Blatz

You're talking about the semitone scale of 12 half notes which has it's use. But the full note octave scale related to density/octave is prevalent in the Ra Material. There's a plethora of references throughout the books.

Just a quick note regarding this idea of a +4D powershift -- there's news of a recent unknown sourced energy wave (microwave) that enveloped and penetrated our Earth. To some degree the microwaves can penetrate but some claim that it can reach the core. Well if neutrinos are also carriers for the microwaves then perhaps that could occur.

Anyway, it conforms or is consistent with the 3.8.4D/4.1.4D and unprecedented +4D powershift hypothesis.

Question to raise and pursue. What is the source?

Large Wave Of Energy From Unknown Source Hitting Earth Now
http://reflectionofmind.org/large-wave-e...earth-now/

https://steemit.com/news/@ausbitbank/str...dutchsince

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCyLWFZoAlE

source of energy is not from a sun, but from space itself.  the movement of the sun across space, the faster the movement across space is done the more energy that the solar system ultimately passes through.

wilcock has been getting into some new stuff that for me validates ashayana deane's work, the idea of an ordered geometric galaxy. 

the octahedral universe. http://www.psychicchildren.co.uk/5-6-Oct...verse.html 

anyway basically that the illusion of time is powered by gravity, and that if we are a solar system approaching a corner of that geometry, then naturally the speed of the solar system going through space will increase, and as a result the energy passing through is more, because we are passing through more of it.

i've been slowly putting together a whole curriculum of data that is easier to understand after reading Law of One, nassiem haramein, dan winter, ashayana Deane, and wilcock, all 4 provide this cohesive view that is complimentary to the Law of One, in my personal op. then again i don't even think it is subject to interpretation, since at this point i have so much scientific proof to prove it.. i feel it's only limiting my own worth as a spark of infinity to say that this is an opinion.

When any observation made about reality can show itself time and time again, for example for every reaction there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Every galaxy obeys certain geometric conditions, and it is actually the image of our spiral galaxy, is an artistic  rendering, we don't have anything that far away to grab a picture from that vantage point yet.

Haramein makes a great point about science. No theory is true unless it is observable in nature. 

i would say 



"1. Red as survival and sexuality

2. Red/Orange as personal relationship of self to self.
3. Orange as personal relationship of self to other
4. * Orange/Yellow -- not described by Quo but has 2nd root of 2 meaning
5. Yellow as relationship of self to groups
6. Yellow/Green as outer court of the heart
7. Green as inner court of heart
8. Green/Blue as communication of self with self
9. Blue as communication of self with other
10. Blue/Indigo as communication and guidance with cosmic family and essences
11. Indigo as disciplines of the personality and work in consciousness
12. Indigo/Violet as point where energy of self spirals from the now into the possibilities of the future.
13. Violet as a readout for the entire energy body "






1 is the relationship of self giving back to the self through security and survival.  
2 is the relationship of understanding the self as an infinite spark.
3 is the relationship to others as well as the self because it is power and control. either power and control over others STS, or power and control over the self STO which is not really power and control, it's then surrender... in understanding power and control, the aspiring adept understands they have the power to control others as well as themselves, and it's learning about this power and control, we are able to for the first time practice restraint.
4-8 In your system the heart has like 3-4 centers. The construction of the heart itself involves 6 or 7 muscles put together that work in unison, I believe each muscle connects to each chakra inside of the heart. We tend to say there are four main muscles in the heart that are responsible for it's beating.  However I would cite the work of Dan winter... he was able to take the shape of the contraction of space, which I know doesn't make much sense, but basically when projecting the shape of the contraction and then creating a 3d revolution of the shape he was able to create a shape very similar to the shape of the heart.



9 and 10 become a two way street. incoming communication from other selves to the self, and outgoing communication from the self to other selves. the ability to transmit effectively an idea to others is as important as getting the right idea from what others are trying to say.

11 the third eye, i think Ra distills this to worthiness because one has to believe that it is possible to use energy before it can be used, one has to believe that accessing extra abilities apart from the five senses is possible because they are worthy to do so. so whether that comes in the form of contact with higher spiritual guides, really it is about having the same vibration as those in the spiritual which allows contact to be made.

12 everyone studying Law of One agrees that the crown is a sort of a thermometer, or totality of energetic flow. I havent' met one person studying LOO that said otherwise about the crown. 

Then that gets into the extra chakras Ra gets into, how many are there total actually? there is the one in the atmosphere, the one by the orbit of earth, and the one near the sun. I don't remember where in the text it's talked about, but I've always pondered a 15 D chakra system because of the compounded aspects of virtue, and how virtuosity can at first only extend towards the self and the immediate knowing of others around us, instead of seeing the whole as part of the family.



............ "Two examples, the Playground rules of conformity is that no child bullies another child. High School rules are no high school student can come into school drunk or high on drugs. Should we respect their individuality and allow bullying and intoxication?" 


I know this wasn't addressed to me, but if life were that simple, then we would have no bullies at school. Bullies happen because those kids themselves aren't being cared for by their parents, and it is the parents that bully those kids. We would have to completely reform society, and i don't think humanity will take well to needing a license to have kids. That license would be a basic emotional aptitude test.  Of course a disempowered individual would say through fear, what we need to be regulated to make life?!?!?! An empowered view would be sure they are just trying to make sure you aren't an abusive child molestor before they let you have kids.  lol i don't know it seems the more we try to make the world a better place the more it becomes a double edged sword, that is why you can't go and shape every form of society, because then it is no longer allowing the universe to be in a state of becoming.




I always need hours to contemplate and discuss topics on the bring4th forums, it's the only time in my life anyone actually makes me think rofl Thank you!














 

(12-26-2016, 02:45 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: [ -> ]That's a far cry from what the linked post in the Trump thread calls for: "an amplified Expose and Purge operation to permanently eradicate the toxic and disease-borne agents of -3D/4D and their residual thought structures."  That is not a truly positive way of behaving or thinking.  Eradication is simply not the positive way.  I rarely speak in such absolutes, but I feel it's important here.  That would fundamentally be a control-focused activity, far beyond the passive\defensive thought-warfare activities Ra describes positive entities engaging in.

It's nothing to do with eradication, and I think you guys could settle it down with semantics. Really?

A true warrior, not the battlefield kind of warrior, the spiritual warrior is one who acts from the heart, I've always been told I have a warrior heart, and that's not because I like to have conflict but because I defend the little man more than i go around trying to incite conflict. I try to defend the side of a situation where one ends up the under dog, and the other the victor, because I don't appreciate those kinds of dynamics based on lack, and fear.

Our society is conditioned to act from lack, and from fear, and it is easy for someone at my position to see that this is thousands of years of Orion Empire influence, to see the lack and point out lack. Please understand that we come to serve the One Infinite Creator,

**Joke alert**** so the creator was making sub atomic particles and then all of a sudden said okay guys I'm going to stop creating this is small enough I don't need to create anything smaller. okay guys we don't need anything smaller than the planck scale, i'm going on vacation.

The one infinite creator is just that infinite, children have an easier time understanding infinite possibilities than adults. however it's in becoming the adult that the left brain is activated more, reducing the use on the right brain.

I would say most spiritual warriors are the same way, and look to balance out a situation where one seems to be the lessor.

Plus expose and purge is not necessarily eradication it is bringing issues to the surface so that they may be finally examined. It is fear based to see it as eradication, while the love lens to see it would be that it is surfacing long deep held issues.

We got to this point in space time by continually shuving issues under the rug and calling those people who brought them up over analytical or conspiracy theorists. Shuving something under the rug is a sign of control, instead of facing the issue and attempting to transmute it.

Instead having to see it in a negative light does not serve to help you polarize positive, but instead helps you to better identify stuff that seems negating to you rather than understanding the love and intent behind that purpose. Sure there is no way to increase love by attacking, but we are no longer practicing unity, we are practicing division by the negation of not facing up to one's own deeper faults.

On a bigger world wide level as a collective species, there is a lot of deeper faults we are having to face at the moment even if it is not our own persona karma, it is karma that affects everyone living on the planet.. Stuff like pizzagate. that is one perfect example of issues swept under the rug rather than being brought to the light so that it can be finally healed and transmuted. 

(12-27-2016, 08:08 PM)BlatzAdict Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-26-2016, 02:45 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: [ -> ]That's a far cry from what the linked post in the Trump thread calls for: "an amplified Expose and Purge operation to permanently eradicate the toxic and disease-borne agents of -3D/4D and their residual thought structures."  That is not a truly positive way of behaving or thinking.  Eradication is simply not the positive way.  I rarely speak in such absolutes, but I feel it's important here.  That would fundamentally be a control-focused activity, far beyond the passive\defensive thought-warfare activities Ra describes positive entities engaging in.

It's nothing to do with eradication, and I think you guys could settle it down with semantics. Really?

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Plus expose and purge is not necessarily eradication it is bringing issues to the surface so that they may be finally examined. It is fear based to see it as eradication, while the love lens to see it would be that it is surfacing long deep held issues.

Semantics? The linked post literally said permanently eradicate. It's not "semantics" to assume someone used the words they intended to use, particularly not when they use an absolute modifier like "permanently." And I would also point out that 4DSunrise did not dispute my characterization of his proposal, and agreed that it would not be attractive to most Wanderers.

Frankly, it sounds to me like you're trying to rewrite 4D's proposal and then preemptively blaming me for not going along with your rewrite. I merely took 4D's words at face value. Alternately, if you have a proposal for a different way of going about this, why not lay that out as a concrete plan of action instead of accusing people of things?

Quote:Our society is conditioned to act from lack, and from fear, and it is easy for someone at my position to see that this is thousands of years of Orion Empire influence, to see the lack and point out lack. Please understand that we come to serve the One Infinite Creator,

Everyone serves the one infinite creator, whether they recognize it or not. This is not a meaningful distinction.

Seriously, if you believe your calling is to go on some kind of offensive against those you perceive (rightly or wrongly) to be negative and harmful, then go for it. Just don't have any illusions about what you're doing. That's what I'm saying here. If you REALLY want to be a "spiritual warrior" who goes on some crusade against a group you believe is harmful to the world, well, that's your business. But my warnings of the implications of such action still stand, and I continue to question whether such activity would actually bring about any increase in the net positive energies in the world and\or help the planet's 4D positive shift.

It is not "fear-based" thinking to look at proposed actions and discuss whether those actions would improve a given situation or make it worse. That's merely the rudiments of wisdom.

Just to remind: The so-called Spiritual Warrior Manifesto was described in the Trump thread as a possible "fictive scenario" to consider. My OP here is for exploring it further and making a case for it in terms of the incoming 3.8.4D/4.1.4D if that is an accurate account. It's a controversial topic and so it's open to much questioning and criticism which has already helped elucidate the "why's and how's".

To Plenum -- My response to your response was very short due to having a busy day. I think your points regarding the "Negative Approach" were valid and it seems to be a matter of the degree of negative imposed ie Playground rules vs Dictatorship rules. The negative also relates to Yin which at times is good. Perhaps call a good negative as YIN-yin while a bad negative is YIN-yang with YIN as the dominant expression in both cases. Kind of like genetic expression. 

The semantics of "positive" and "negative" is another issue given its use in ethical terms. In other terms ie "attraction" (-) and "repulsion" (+) it's not so bad.

The Dec 18, 2005 session is worthy of further discussion which I'll take to the other thread I linked. I googled Eastern system but nothing shows up similar to what Quo describes. The ones that do show up are all "New Age" styles of systems of outer chakras with exotic names and functions. 

To Aion -- Your descriptions of a positive warrior were right on and make for a +Yang-type of +4D Spiritual Warrior and begins to address Q1 of the OP. And, to add, there will naturally be a range of variation and degree of +/- for each Wanderer or incoming +4D being. 

To APeacefulWarrior -- As Blatz says I think there's a semantics disconnect which needs clarifying. I could have used a different title ie "Peace-Desiring Warrior" or "Service-to-Other Warrior" but as long as "Spiritual Warrior" denotes those titles it then fits. There is the title "Progressive Army" which is a website of progressive writers which is not militant but just creative, outspoken and thought provocative. That's where I'm coming from, more or less. although I did say "rough and tumble". Some Wanderers or incoming +4D are not aspiring for perfect 100% positivity unless that's what one wants to achieve towards seeking 7D Buddhahood.  

Also consider Spiritual Warrior as an "emergent entity" (but only temporary for this transition) that has an unprecedented status and arises from outdated 3D definitions and thoughtforms. We are in unprecedented times transiting into +4D and so this "looking at old things in new ways" is a natural inventor's credo.  The potential "emergency situations" in this 3.8.4D/4.1.4D begets "emergence" of new beings and actions by such beings. My fluid and limited view at this time.

Also my take of Spiritual Warrior is fluid and that's why Q1 in the OP is made. What do you think of the stages of 3.8D/4.1D that I described? There's constant integration or disintegration taking place from earlier sub-sub-densities so the times are fluid.

You take issue with the phrase "permanently eradicate" but what's wrong with ridding the planet of eons of negativity? It makes no sense to "temporarily eradicate" or "permanently but partially eradicate" that which is toxic. Think in terms of a polluted lake. You would want to completely get rid of the toxins wouldn't you? Maybe the term "eradicate" seemed too strong or +Yang so we can call it "transform and transmute" as Blatz suggests. 

Eradicating via exposing and apprehending those in the pedophile rings is "rough and tumble" but perhaps is now considered by Terra as an "emergency situation" that needs to be addressed immediately. The so-called Satanic abuse of children by NWO types has been going on for thousands of years. I'd say it's time for a little +Yang action.

The various religious conflicts need to be exposed in terms of clarity regarding each religion's negative and positive Yellow Energy Center influences including the outer courtyard of Green/Yellow that Quo describes in Dec 18 2005. There needs to a be a purging in terms of assertion by people to actively make the changes within their religions. Even a strong Feminism to transform these patriarchal religions is a form of being a Spiritual Warrior.

Blatz makes another good description:

Quote:A true warrior, not the battlefield kind of warrior, the spiritual warrior is one who acts from the heart, I've always been told I have a warrior heart, and that's not because I like to have conflict but because I defend the little man more than i go around trying to incite conflict. I try to defend the side of a situation where one ends up the under dog, and the other the victor, because I don't appreciate those kinds of dynamics based on lack, and fear.

This is a coherent and valid approach but again some unprecedented "rough and tumble" may occur for some Spiritual Warriors. Think of the movie Braveheart and William Wallace. A few may resonate to this more extreme intensity and action but "emergency situations" requires "emergence" of some unique expressions of +Yang.

Good discussion all around guys. ;o)

(01-01-2017, 04:02 PM)4Dsunrise Wrote: [ -> ]You take issue with the phrase "permanently eradicate" but what's wrong with ridding the planet of eons of negativity? It makes no sense to "temporarily eradicate" or "permanently but partially eradicate" that which is toxic. Think in terms of a polluted lake. You would want to completely get rid of the toxins wouldn't you? Maybe the term "eradicate" seemed too strong or +Yang so we can call it "transform and transmute" as Blatz suggests.

What's wrong?  Well, for starters, it's impossible.  "Ridding the planet of eons of negativity" is literally an unobtainable goal.  Those things happened.  The eons will not change.  Nor would their impact on the future going forward change.  The negative energies are not something you can wipe up and forget about like cleaning up a kitchen floor.  

Nor is the polluted lake metaphor totally applicable because pollution is entirely in the eye of the beholder.  One creature's pollution is another creature's sustenance - just ask a dung beetle.  Or, once upon a time oxygen was a deadly pollutant that ultimately killed off 90% of all life the planet.  But I'm pretty sure you're glad that happened.  To want to take it upon yourself to decide, based only on your own moral values, which creatures in the lake deserve to live or die is a VERY control-based outlook.

Could it be rhetorically justified?  Sure.  But it still is what it is.

This outlook also kind of throws free will to the wind.  Remember, when the 4D+ changeover occurs, STSes will not incarnate here simply because they do not want to incarnate here, in the same way you do not want to go live in an active volcano.  It will be an inherently unpleasant environment, without the need for other entities actively targeting them in campaigns.  And surely one of the bedrock foundations of the STO philosophy is the preservation of free will when at all possible.  You're talking about a campaign to try to actively coerce large numbers of people.

And suggesting that the verbage should be changed to sugarcoat the idea is allowing deception to creep into your proposal.  At least you were being honest with your intentions when you said 'eradicate'.  Especially considering that you already used phrases like "ridding the planet of" which further underline your true intentions.  Is military-style euphemism really the path you want to go here?

Basically...  I honestly think you're underestimating the extent to which this idea you have for a campaign would necessitate embracing negative outlooks and behaviors.  You're already doing it, although to a very limited extent, but that really should be cause for some concern about what might happen in the long term. Many people in history have gone into adversarial situations with the best of intentions, only to end up becoming just as bad -or worse- as what they originally set out to stop.  Just look at the 5D+ Wanderers Ra discusses in Session 89, who sought to bring wisdom and instead turned into despots, flipped negative, and slipped back to 4th Density.  This isn't an abstract existential concern - it can happen.

But if you really are willing to take that chance, and you're so certain this is a necessary form of service that you'd gamble a whole lot of karma on it, well, I'll shut up and let you get to it.

(12-28-2016, 02:52 AM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-27-2016, 08:08 PM)BlatzAdict Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-26-2016, 02:45 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: [ -> ]That's a far cry from what the linked post in the Trump thread calls for: "an amplified Expose and Purge operation to permanently eradicate the toxic and disease-borne agents of -3D/4D and their residual thought structures."  That is not a truly positive way of behaving or thinking.  Eradication is simply not the positive way.  I rarely speak in such absolutes, but I feel it's important here.  That would fundamentally be a control-focused activity, far beyond the passive\defensive thought-warfare activities Ra describes positive entities engaging in.

It's nothing to do with eradication, and I think you guys could settle it down with semantics. Really?

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Plus expose and purge is not necessarily eradication it is bringing issues to the surface so that they may be finally examined. It is fear based to see it as eradication, while the love lens to see it would be that it is surfacing long deep held issues.

Semantics?  The linked post literally said permanently eradicate.  It's not "semantics" to assume someone used the words they intended to use, particularly not when they use an absolute modifier like "permanently."  And I would also point out that 4DSunrise did not dispute my characterization of his proposal, and agreed that it would not be attractive to most Wanderers.

Frankly, it sounds to me like you're trying to rewrite 4D's proposal and then preemptively blaming me for not going along with your rewrite.  I merely took 4D's words at face value.  Alternately, if you have a proposal for a different way of going about this, why not lay that out as a concrete plan of action instead of accusing people of things?

Quote:Our society is conditioned to act from lack, and from fear, and it is easy for someone at my position to see that this is thousands of years of Orion Empire influence, to see the lack and point out lack. Please understand that we come to serve the One Infinite Creator,

Everyone serves the one infinite creator, whether they recognize it or not.  This is not a meaningful distinction.

Seriously, if you believe your calling is to go on some kind of offensive against those you perceive (rightly or wrongly) to be negative and harmful, then go for it.  Just don't have any illusions about what you're doing.  That's what I'm saying here.  If you REALLY want to be a "spiritual warrior" who goes on some crusade against a group you believe is harmful to the world, well, that's your business.  But my warnings of the implications of such action still stand, and I continue to question whether such activity would actually bring about any increase in the net positive energies in the world and\or help the planet's 4D positive shift.

It is not "fear-based" thinking to look at proposed actions and discuss whether those actions would improve a given situation or make it worse.  That's merely the rudiments of wisdom.

it is fear based.. 1 because you only deny it without a shred of self reflection.

2 because you do not understand that light encompasses fear.

3. you also fail to understand you can choose to see it as a dynamic of physical battle, or you can choose to see it as a dynamic of an energetic tug of war.

4. it is very extremely simple minded to think that it would only befall a physical combat or a manifestation that would require violence.

Hardly ever do I see you speaking from your heart, Instead you attempt to rationalize, an infinite nature, rather than trying to blend your light with your love. Rather than hold any importance to your feminine nature, you blast your masculine nature, showing all here that you choose to see things in limited ways, rather than unlimited.

I am praying for you, you have not yet grasped, the infinite nature of the Creator.

(01-12-2017, 09:17 AM)BlatzAdict Wrote: [ -> ]it is fear based.. 1 because you only deny it without a shred of self reflection.

2 because you do not understand that light encompasses fear.

3. you also fail to understand you can choose to see it as a dynamic of physical battle, or you can choose to see it as a dynamic of an energetic tug of war.

4. it is very extremely simple minded to think that it would only befall a physical combat or a manifestation that would require violence.

Hardly ever do I see you speaking from your heart, Instead you attempt to rationalize, an infinite nature, rather than trying to blend your light with your love.  Rather than hold any importance to your feminine nature, you blast your masculine nature, showing all here that you choose to see things in limited ways, rather than unlimited.

I am praying for you, you have not yet grasped, the infinite nature of the Creator.

Wow man, seriously? Just straight to the holier-than-thou character attacks despite barely knowing me? Nice to know you gave my thoughts consideration.

Well, have fun on your crusade.

PS - I never mentioned physical combat or violence. It's interesting that you would read that into my words, given the accusations you made.

"What's wrong? Well, for starters, it's impossible. "Ridding the planet of eons of negativity" is literally an unobtainable goal. Those things happened. The eons will not change. Nor would their impact on the future going forward change. The negative energies are not something you can wipe up and forget about like cleaning up a kitchen floor.

Nor is the polluted lake metaphor totally applicable because pollution is entirely in the eye of the beholder. One creature's pollution is another creature's sustenance - just ask a dung beetle. Or, once upon a time oxygen was a deadly pollutant that ultimately killed off 90% of all life the planet. But I'm pretty sure you're glad that happened. To want to take it upon yourself to decide, based only on your own moral values, which creatures in the lake deserve to live or die is a VERY control-based outlook."



All I see in these words is, FINITY, you can't do this, you can't do that, you can't do this and you can't do that.. whatever act like a victim, and don't take responsibility for the things you are saying. go ahead.. fall into my expectation of you. i expected you to act this way, as i expect all victims and all children who do not take responsibility for what they say to others.

"Ridding the planet of eons of negativity" is literally an unobtainable goal." - To this I say to dream the impossible dream the main song from the man of la mancha.

"To dream the impossible dream
To fight the unbeatable foe
To bear with unbearable sorrow
To run where the brave dare not go."

You say it is impossible then you negate the infinite nature of the Creator, instead you say that the creator and creation is only limited to a finite set of possibility. Get yourself some humble pie.

If you want to get rid of something, energitically speaking you're just feeding it and call for it to manifest more intensely within Creation and your furture experiences so that you find to integrate it and accept it as a portion of what you are and what the Creator is.

The STO path is not one to get rid of things but one to accept and integrate, to find love for things. Getting rid of something or to wish to get rid of something, like APW said, is a form of control and is not of a positive nature. You're rejecting facets of yourself you can't find love for while they are reflected into other-selves and desire them out of your reality.

The main problem with the concept of warrior is that it seeks a fight, exists through a fight. However noble one can define what it means to be a warrior, it is a concept that ever only exist in the perception of separation and sides. In the idea of seeking to be One with All things, it is highly paradoxal to desire to be a warrior yet remains fully acceptable. The Law of One does not reject a thing, only a subjective awareness with a limited/incomplete perspective with things to learn does this.

(01-12-2017, 11:00 AM)BlatzAdict Wrote: [ -> ]All I see in these words is, FINITY, you can't do this, you can't do that, you can't do this and you can't do that.. whatever act like a victim, and don't take responsibility for the things you are saying. go ahead.. fall into my expectation of you. i expected you to act this way, as i expect all victims and all children who do not take responsibility for what they say to others.

And another round of projected attacks on my character.  You really shouldn't get this upset over people holding different opinions than you.  Why can't you just discuss these things reasonably rather than hurling accusations like "fearful" "simple-minded" and "victim" and "child" at me?  It is possible to have a disagreement without name-calling and deliberate attempts to tear other people down, ya know.

Otherwise, as far as "removing eons of negativity" goes, we are still bound by the possibility/probability vortices.  Just because everything is possible somewhere in the infinite recursions of the multiverse does not necessarily mean they're possible within the very particular corner of that multiverse which we inhabit in our current incarnations.  And if there is, somewhere out there, a version of Earth which is completely free of all negative influences throughout time, you wouldn't find a way to transition yourself onto it by getting into direct conflict with negative entities.

To conflict with a negative entity necessarily entails taking on some negativity oneself. A positive entity cannot refuse another entity without some loss of polarity.  Ra made that lesson clear in Session 25.  To attempt to rid the world of negativity through ANY sort of conflict - even completely non-violent - is an inherently contradictory goal.

Like Minyatur said, acceptance and integration are the foundations of the positive energies.  Love begets love.

In my OP I made a list of questions to explore. I addressed Q1 and Q2 to some extent. What do you all think of the general synopsis regarding those sub-sub-densities?

@ APW -- What do you think of the "emergent entity" and "emergency of events" theory? These times are fluid and evolving so entities ie "Peaceful Warriors" and "Loving Warriors" and "STO Warriors" etc are, again -- repeating -- a more active +ethical Yang which always needs to balance and breathe in Yin. Action and relaxation. 

You say:

Quote:What's wrong?  Well, for starters, it's impossible.  "Ridding the planet of eons of negativity" is literally an unobtainable goal.  Those things happened.  The eons will not change.  Nor would their impact on the future going forward change.  The negative energies are not something you can wipe up and forget about like cleaning up a kitchen floor.

 
Again semantics. "Ridding" is meant to mean "cleansing, clearing, disinfesting" similar to when one goes on a cleansing fast. You know the drill with that I'm sure. "Ridding the body of toxins and negative thoughtforms." 

"Ridding the planet of eons of negativity" is the mindset one needs regarding Terra just like the mindset one needs during a series of cleansing and clearing fasts to rid oneself of past life and present life negative patterns that have become entrenched and crystallized. They have be called "dark crystals" in the energy body-mind-spirit system. 

There was a technique called "toning" which was a form of channeling vibrations into oneself to energetically "shatter and transmute" these dark crystal patterns. You had to also get deep into the memory and recall of these specific patterns, like the Ra group talk about -- standard therapy technique of reliving negative events and patterns. There are other kinds of methodologies as you probably know. 

In terms of "ridding the planet of negativity", this is stuff that's been done since the 1980's on a regular basis by New Age people, personally and in groups. 

For example we (psychics and others who were sensitives) used to apply dowsing to locate negative and congested energy patterns and then psychically focus on sending light and love and focused directives to have the patterns be released from their strictures. In one case there was a tragic killing of local Indians from approx 300 years ago and they appeared as grey smoky translucent forms -- similar to those forms in the show LOST. We used visualization and affirmations to help them be freed and they became mobile and appeared to be released and free to enter a proper vibration, perhaps indigo body level. 

So that's one action that is a type of "ridding". 

Environmental people do "river cleanups" and "lake cleanups" all the time. That is another type of "ridding". The Great Lakes are dying from infestation of parasitic algae and crustaceans that choke out the native organisms. There is a need for "Environmental Warriors" to be active and +Yang in "clearing and disinfesting" these parasitic organisms. They are now attempting various ways to do this. 

What probably bothers you and Minyatur and others here is the "4D battle" scenario ie taking on the NWO types. As you referenced, Ra mentions a "defensive approach" by the Confederation. That can mean using "counter punches" when one has been punched or is about to be punched.
That is imo in the category of a defensive tactic -- to counter punch or neutralize via MMA style ie sleeper hold or arm bar or leg bar, etc. Ground and pound into submission is an iffy case of "defense". But that depends on the karmic dynamics too.
 
People who have lived lives of being victimized by NWO types have been "punched" so to speak and they may still feel under threat in this life by specific negative antagonists. The type of counter punch or MMA defense tactic for them may be to seek out these victimizers and apprehend. By "ridding" them from harming them again or harming other potential victims is a form of "defending" in terms of these victims rights to "free will" -- to be free from fear and bodily harm.  

What do you think of my other examples of "ridding the planet of eons of negativity" in these paragraphs? Keep in mind this is 3.8.4D/4.1.4D which you can feel free to critique. 

Quote:Eradicating via exposing and apprehending those in the pedophile rings is "rough and tumble" but perhaps is now considered by Terra as an "emergency situation" that needs to be addressed immediately. The so-called Satanic abuse of children by NWO types has been going on for thousands of years. I'd say it's time for a little +Yang action.


The various religious conflicts need to be exposed in terms of clarity regarding each religion's negative and positive Yellow Energy Center influences including the outer courtyard of Green/Yellow that Quo describes in Dec 18 2005. There needs to a be a purging in terms of assertion by people to actively make the changes within their religions. Even a strong Feminism to transform these patriarchal religions is a form of being a Spiritual Warrior.

(12-22-2016, 03:57 PM)4Dsunrise Wrote: [ -> ]Warning: Take this as part inferential and part speculative. An hypothesis of sorts.


2. What conditions have evolved to warrant this need?

Structural collapse of cultural norms and a confusion as to what replaces it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSjUXb7H8s0

(12-22-2016, 03:57 PM)4Dsunrise Wrote: [ -> ]Has the Orion Alliance stepped up and intensified their efforts?

Yes for quite some time now. That can be observed by a general confusion of identity, gender identity being a current example. And the absurdity of political correctness and single issue identity politics. Ideation is spawned from an inner sense of security without the external world needing to change. So political movements that protest and demand more safety, more rights, more equality etc is a movement guided by the hands of Orion interests. If it were not, new ideas would be bursting onto the streets rather than angry, resentful and polarised groups. 

(12-22-2016, 03:57 PM)4Dsunrise Wrote: [ -> ]3. What defines a Spiritual Warrior in comparison to Wanderers or +3D/+4D Terrans?

Erm...I guess the former is a younger wanderer, as in displaying a gullible courage?

(12-22-2016, 03:57 PM)4Dsunrise Wrote: [ -> ]4. What new roles are the 53+ Planetary Societies playing during this transition period into +4th density?

I can't offer any insights beyond what Ra have offered, sorry. 

(12-22-2016, 03:57 PM)4Dsunrise Wrote: [ -> ]5. What new roles can Wanderers play during this transition period into +4th density?

Dissenters, Like Jesus was but just more of them. Speaking their truth and being unapologetic. The antithesis to enslavement is freedom, so think and speak freely.

Quote:17.22. ...there are others of the identical congruency of consciousness that will welcome those to the fourth density. This is the meaning of the returning.

And...

Quote:73.16. The one known as Jesus accumulated twelve disciples. What was his purpose in having these disciples with him?
Ra: I am Ra. What is the purpose of teach/learning if there be no learn/teachers? Those drawn to this entity were accepted by this entity without regard for any outcome. This entity accepted the honor/duty placed upon it by its nature and its sense that to speak was its mission.

 

(12-22-2016, 03:57 PM)4Dsunrise Wrote: [ -> ]6. Did the dynamic duo of Wilcock (Batman) and Goode (Robin) put you up to this?

Lol! No, they would only encourage me to stay sat on my backside gripping my tv remote.  

I don't feel like I'm a spiritual warrior. I don't even like disagreement.

I think I'm here to expose my soul to challenge, because it had it so easy on the other side.

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(01-15-2017, 07:27 PM)Nicholas Wrote: [ -> ][quote='4Dsunrise' pid='218386' dateline='1482436635']
Warning: Take this as part inferential and part speculative. An hypothesis of sorts.


2. What conditions have evolved to warrant this need?

Structural collapse of cultural norms and a confusion as to what replaces it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSjUXb7H8s0

alternatly I think social norms are Orion influence/darkness
Why is someone to judge and dictate another's freedom? Love is beautiful in every form how could society think to dictate anything else? It's laughable.

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(12-22-2016, 03:57 PM)4Dsunrise Wrote: [ -> ]Has the Orion Alliance stepped up and intensified their efforts?

Yes for quite some time now. That can be observed by a general confusion of identity, gender identity being a current example. And the absurdity of political correctness and single issue identity politics. Ideation is spawned from an inner sense of security without the external world needing to change. So political movements that protest and demand more safety, more rights, more equality etc is a movement guided by the hands of Orion interests. If it were not, new ideas would be bursting onto the streets rather than angry, resentful and polarised groups. 
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again is see it the opposite who is to say what is inside isn't just as good(gender identity for instance) and beautiful as anything the others would impose on us.

I admit I am poly. I'm not into sex unless I'm in love. Not needing to own and control someone I love is to me a beautiful expression of love. I've only been with 2 men so it's not a sex thing. I love sex and the freedom to share it with an open heart. No chance anyone could convince me that is not an expression of love and light just because I am able to love 2 instead of 1. Hello remember Carla?

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3. What defines a Spiritual Warrior in comparison to Wanderers or +3D/+4D Terrans?

Erm...I guess the former is a younger wanderer, as in displaying a gullible courage?

the only warriors I think is helpful is being true to yourself. Imposing any power of control on another isn't light but dark. Living unencumbered with your light not hidden that to me is the only "warrior" confederation needs.

(12-22-2016, 03:57 PM)4Dsunrise Wrote: [ -> ]4. What new roles are the 53+ Planetary Societies playing during this transition period into +4th density?

I can't offer any insights beyond what Ra have offered, sorry. 

(12-22-2016, 03:57 PM)4Dsunrise Wrote: [ -> ]5. What new roles can Wanderers play during this transition period into +4th density?

Quote:Dissenters, Like Jesus was but just more of them. Speaking their truth and being unapologetic. The antithesis to enslavement is freedom, so think and speak freely.

agree

Thanks for addressing the Q's Nicholas. And thanks Glow for the follow-up.

Nicholas, some good points about the political and social polarization and not-so-pretty distortion and how Orion may be supporting this divisive vibe. It may relate, as Glow says, to the need to "let it all hang out" -- to express and experience full transparency. IMO this transparency in Terra's +4D environment allows for the expose and purge meme to play out.

Spiritual assertiveness and standing for one's principles as one considers and discerns other's differences can be thought as +Yang of a Spiritual Warrior who is full of inspiration and high spirits with some ingredients of "boldness" of early +4D.

Again this only applies to some Wanderers who have an ample supply of Fire element in their make-up. Strong Sun, Mars, Jupiter, Uranus, Pluto planet-wise, and strong Aries, Leo, Sagittarius sign-wise.

It looks like this Spiritual Warriors group started around Sept 1, 2015.

There might be a few wanderers and 4D graduates among them. Btw, everyone has Mars in their astrological make-up and also a Red chakra which both resonate to some degree of warrior-ness.

SPIRITUAL WARRIORS

Public Group -- 10,261 Members

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1483492238642115/

Group description:

Quote:WE ARE HERE JUST IN CASE YOU NEED US ...JUST IN CASE YOUR ATTEMPT AT PEACE AND LOVE FAILS ...AND YOU ARE OVER COME BY THE DARKNESS...WE ARE HERE TO SHIELD YOU ...AND FIGHT FOR YOU ...WE ARE YOUR PROTECTORS......WE ARE YOUR SPIRITUAL WARRIORS....

Here's another group that doesn't mind the term "warrior". Why is it so troubling to some here?

ANGEL WARRIORS OF PEACE -- 3546 members

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1107387199338822/

Quote:Welcome....and thank you for visiting The Angel Warriors of Peace. Please feel free to share & encourage each other with light, love & peace. I feel this world is searching and in desperate need of PEACE. It is time for all of us to RISE UP & Make A Difference ...So that we all can live as ONE....

There is nothing "wrong" or unspiritual about being a warrior. Judgments only make that so. Judgments may say that it means violence or fighting. I disagree.

I consider myself someone with a warrior spirit. It has more to do with courage to me, which is really about acceptance. It takes courage to accept what hurts, what is painful—for example, the suffering in this world. 

We have chakras below the heart; we have yin and yang energies. As Seth said, aggression is not violence and it's needed in existence for movement. 

As someone with a warrior spirit, I don't see myself fighting anything; rather, I endeavor to accept truth and what is, flowing with existence like water.

(04-30-2017, 11:46 PM)4Dsunrise Wrote: [ -> ]Here's another group that doesn't mind the term "warrior". Why is it so troubling to some here?

I think the paradox is "warrior" for "peace".

If one says; I shall be a warrior, then I would say all is well.
If one says; I shall be peace, then I would say all is well.
If one says; I shall be a warrior for peace, then I might go :


All is still well, but the intent seems paradoxal with itself as a warrior can only radiate outwardly its own inner turmoil, and were it to not have this turmoil then it would not identify with being a warrior. A warrior is focused upon conflict and as such energizes conflict, it also is dependant upon the idea of an opposite side and as such manifest its beingness. War becomes the significator of its drive and identity within Creation, and the warrior soul will wander battlefields until it finds peace within.

It's a fun game, but it only works if you are at war with yourself (mirror of One). Soul-wise I probably got quite my own glory there, so I wouldn't deny the right for another to be a warrior but if the intent as a warrior is expressed paradoxically, then it seems to hint that being a warrior is not what is truly desired and instead that there is a desire to find peace truly. At least, this is what "warrior for peace" hints at to me, not souls that desire to share peace but instead souls that themselves restlessly seek their own peace.