(07-29-2010, 12:39 PM)Lavazza Wrote: [ -> ]Hello 3D, it has been a while! Glad to see you come out of hibernation once in a while All is well on my end, just busy busy busy preparing to move my small brood to a new city this weekend. I trust you and yours are also doing well.
Indeed, all is well here too. Godspeed on the move, this weekend is shaping up to busy on several fronts.
Before I continue our discussion though, please let me profess that I speak with absolutely no authority on this or any subject related to the LOO. What I am presenting is my distillation and partial reconciliation of some of the Ra material with its reference sources and a little modern physics thrown in. Although it is relatively sound in some areas, it is embarrassingly weak in others. Ultimately, I am absolutely certain that it is completely wrong as is everything that we try to explain in 3D. So let the reader be ware, and do not hesitate to ignore portions that do not resonate.
(07-29-2010, 12:39 PM)Lavazza Wrote: [ -> ]...That is, all of creation spawning from the Big Bang (Octave?) is, as far as we know, all that there is, and within it is contained all s/t and t/s densities.
Not to quibble over words, but I would say "in it is contained all the physical dimensions of space and time". The densities that make up the Octave having been established prior to the Octave's creation, are measures of the spiritual progress of the m/b/s contained within the creation. As a crude analogy, consider the universe as analogous to the school, the m/b/s within it, the students, their densities representing the grades within the school. As they advance within the school, the students are able to use more and more of the school's facilities. Note that the existence of the grades (their number and character and lessons to be learned), and the testing that would be performed to allow promotion from one grade to another were all in existence before the school. Note also that this clearly indicates that there is "something" which is greater than our universe.
(07-29-2010, 12:39 PM)Lavazza Wrote: [ -> ]We exist in the lower half of this seven density setup and are only aware of ours, second and first densities, however there are other celestial bodies that are invisible to us that may be 4th, 5th or 6th density.
Indeed.
(07-29-2010, 12:39 PM)Lavazza Wrote: [ -> ]Since it all exists in our same space/time dimension, should a planet or entity move from one density to another it would happen in a linear fashion over the course of time.
Presumably so, but I have not seen that stated as such, except for m/b/s or sub-sub-Logos. As for the Logos, and sub-Logos (such as our planet or our sun), I do not see that linear progression is required. Also recall that for m/b/s, progression through densities could be very rapid.
(07-29-2010, 12:39 PM)Lavazza Wrote: [ -> ]We also have the reciprocal dimension to space/time that is time/space, a bizarre Alice in Wonderland world where cats chase dogs, John Lennon couldn't play guitar well, and... no just kidding. Time/space being the balance to space/time in that it contains three dimensions of time and one of space (that is very hard to visualize!). This being where life reviews and planning takes place.
If you feel up to a little reading, I would point you now to the thread on
Dewey B. Larson. We spent some time exploring ways to visual t/s and its relation to s/t. I will again loudly profess my ignorance about all of this. I made an attempt to express my understanding of the material, but ultimately feel that I am barely qualified to fill the role of learn/teacher on these subjects, certainly not the role of teach/learner that I so poorly performed in the aforementioned thread.
(07-29-2010, 12:39 PM)Lavazza Wrote: [ -> ]- When Carla or other channels speak about there being X numbers of Earth existing as 3rd, 4th or other density numbers, what really is being spoken about are the states of potentiality / activation? In much the same was as we entities contain all seven chakras at the same time, and some may or may not be activated, so does a planet essentially contain the potential to express any density, but typically will just do one at a time and in linear order per spiritual evolution?
Here again I humbly ask your patience as I pick at your words. Although we do have seven chakras that may be in various states of activation or blockage in any density, I see it rather as our seven bodies that move between activation and potentiation as we move through s/t densities. The same can be said for a planet, with the caveat that a planet may have multiple bodies in activation simultaneously (I am of the opinion that only one body of a m/b/s complex may be activated at given time, but I am not absolutely convinced of this).
As to the spiritual evolution of a planet, here we come back to distinctions between Logos / sub-logos and sub-sub-logoi. The planet is not evolving spiritually, per se. Rather, it is a physical manifestation of a part of the Logos, whose job it is to support the spiritual advancement of m/b/s complexes. To further my earlier analogy, the school does not move through grades. Rather it contains the rooms in which students may advance, each such room being intricately designed to provide the right environment in which to learn the lessons being taught.
(07-29-2010, 12:39 PM)Lavazza Wrote: [ -> ]If a planetary entity moves out of 3rd density activation and in to higher densities, then wouldn't that sphere be invisible to us, being that we are 3rd density? It should fall in to the category of "dark matter" as our science calls it, and not be visible to us, much as we metaphysics fans assume that dark matter comprises other higher density matter.
Again, as I see it, the purpose of the Logos and sub-logos is not to advance spiritually within the densities (that is to say that a 2D planet is not at 2D spiritual advancement, it's "being-ness" as a planet may well, however, be part of its spiritual path), but rather to provide the environment for m/b/s to advance. A truly STO activity, by the way.
(07-29-2010, 12:39 PM)Lavazza Wrote: [ -> ]Basically Ra explaining how they appeared to the Egyptians as golden beings, invisible from the waist down as they lowered their vibrational rate to the pace of 3rd density space/time.
I think you are combining two different quotes in your mind, here. If I may be of some assistance:
Law of One, Book I, Session 6 Wrote:Questioner: I think this might be an appropriate time to include a little more background on yourself, possibly information having to do with where you came from prior to your involvement with planet Earth, if this is possible.
Ra: I am Ra. I am, with the social memory complex of which I am a part, one of those who voyaged outward from another planet within your own solar system, as this entity would call it. The planetary influence was that you call Venus. We are a race old in your measures. When we were at the sixth dimension our physical beings were what you would call golden. We were tall and somewhat delicate. Our physical body complex covering, which you call the integument, had a golden luster.
In this form we decided to come among your peoples. Your peoples at that time were much unlike us in physical appearance, as you might call it. We, thus, did not mix well with the population and were obviously other than they. Thus, our visit was relatively short, for we found ourselves in the hypocritical position of being acclaimed as other than your other-selves. This was the time during which we built the structures in which you show interest.
Law of One, Book V, Fragment 16 from Session 27 Wrote:Questioner: The second question is: Paul has also received information that there were other beings aiding in the construction of the pyramids, but that they were not fully materialized in the third density. They were materialized from their waist up to their heads but were not materialized from their waist down to their feet. Did such entities exist and aid in the construction of the pyramids, and who were they?
Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, the intelligent infinity present in the absorption of living-ness and being-ness as it becomes codified into intelligent energy, due to the thought impressions of those assisting the living stone into a new shape of being-ness The release and use of intelligent infinity for a brief period begins to absorb all the consecutive or interlocking dimensions, thus offering brief glimpses of those projecting to the material their thought. These beings thus beginning to materialize but not remaining visible. These beings were the thought-form or third-density visible manifestation of our social memory complex as we offered contact from our intelligent infinity to the intelligent infinity of the stone.
(07-29-2010, 12:39 PM)Lavazza Wrote: [ -> ]This is not in conflict with what we have discussed so far, but I have not heard mention of vibratory rates relating to densities and just want to make sure I am understanding that correctly (for it sounds so very much like a dimension quality).
If the above are the appropriate quotes, I do not see the reference to "lowering vibrational rate" that you referred to. That said, I am certain that some physical change (call it vibrational rate or something else) is necessary for a 6D entity to be viewed by 3D entities. If this is what you mean by "dimensional quality", then I agree.
(07-29-2010, 12:39 PM)Lavazza Wrote: [ -> ]- Back to supposed dimensions quickly. I have read about how String theory predicts an 11 dimension universe. I know there is some debate about the correctness of String theory, but is there any reconciliation with Larson's theories, or the Ra material there? Just the other day I watched a short video of Carl Sagen explaining a Tesseract shape and how that would be representative of 4 dimensional space. So do you think there actually is a real, tangible 4th dimesion to space, or is a Tesseract simply a mathematical expression, not actually physically possible?
Reconciling RST with String Theory is not straightforward, but is not, I am certain, a lost cause either. Note that RST describes a set of significant interrelationships between the six dimensions that are not required or described in String Theory. I suspect that if physicists and mathematicians much smarter than I were to explore this, they would likely find that the two are congruent.
(07-29-2010, 12:39 PM)Lavazza Wrote: [ -> ]This is interesting, I had not heard about this before. So things that are close in s/t and far apart in t/s? I am having trouble understanding this, possibly due to my difficulty of conceptualizing space as a scalar... but how can anything be "far apart" if there are not more than one dimension of space? Without those extra dimensions everything would sit on one single point (not even a line!) I have read that thoughts and dreams are time/space constructs, and if this is true then I *think* I can understand how this works, since I know from dream experience that I can move around, much as I can imagine doing the same thing if I close my eyes and think about it. Is this what you mean? But I can also be next to someone, and imagine myself being close to them at the same time, but perhaps I am paddling too far down the river after it has forked away from what you intended to convey.
I did not say that things that were close in s/t were far apart in t/s. I said that things that are close in 3-space are far apart in 3-time. This is due to the reciprocal natures of time and space. What creates the stages of s/t and t/s are the mappings of 3-time into scalar time(in s/t), and 3-space into scalar space (in t/s).
Again, I would refer you to the
RST thread for more investigation. Suffice it to say for now, that in s/t, time ("now") is a scalar which represents the projection/compression of the three cardinal time coordinates of 3-time onto one unit-less scalar point. The same can be said of space in t/s.
(07-29-2010, 12:39 PM)Lavazza Wrote: [ -> ]Indeed, I think it is best to say that spiritual evolution is only possible in space/time. ...Afterall, are we not all the One? And thus not our main purpose for doing any of this to learn more about us?
Resolved, my good friend.
Your humble servant,
3D Sunset