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Bet you never clicked so fast in your life.

No really, this is a serious discussion. First off though, if you really had mastered the art of extended or, even infinite life, a pertinent question is raised.
Do you tell anyone?

If you kept everyone in the dark you could get them to work for you. Hmmmm.
I just happened to come across this article right before seeing your post-

http://www.healthonlinecentral.com/256-y...ets-world/

It doesn't exactly seem validated in a completely authentic way, but that's to be expected for any story that touches on an idea that breaks the status quo of what we believe is even possible.

Qigong and breathing exercises in general seem to point towards elongating life. I've heard numerous stories of yogis living to be exorbitantly old. You control your prana/chi and you control your vital life force. Knowing about really powerful Chinese and Indian herbs is helpful of course too.

As for infinite life, I haven't seen anywhere, whether in metaphysical/occult, religious, or Law of One teachings that point towards anyone having an infinite life in 3rd density, nor would one want to have a life that long for this particular life experience as far as I can tell. I feel as though the Law of One material points towards the answer in a more metaphysical sense. As we evolve spiritually, we experience much longer lifespans in higher densities. Then 7th-8th reaches the experience of eternity/infinity. Given where we are right now, I figure the basic Law of One response like that is already automatically granted. So, maybe there is more information out there that could point to more literal practices that can help you contemplate or experience what you're looking for.

One of my favorite films is The Fountain. In it, the main character searches for the answer to immortality, whether he's a Spanish explorer/conquistador searching for the Fountain of Youth/Tree of Life, or searching scientifically for a way to "conquer death", or traveling the cosmos a thousand years in the future trying to reach a place in the universe that is somewhat like the center of a galaxy (technically in the film he's traveling to a dying star Xibalba) so that he can attain immortality by possibly being the part of the birth of a new universe (or however you want to interpret his method of achieving immortality by reaching the star that will explode). The way I view it is similar to the Law of One perspective that I mentioned earlier, which is that it's not until he travels to a more metaphysical/higher density experience that he reaches what he's looking for.

That film is similar to the age old search by what could be considered the seeking by various adepts to discover the ultimate form of alchemy that can produce the philosopher's stone. As we are somewhat familiar with, the alchemical process within us is ignited as one seeks and heads down a spiritual path with increasing gravity in one's adeptness. The alchemical process becoming/being one that is more internal rather than external. Instead of seeking this elixir of life out there in the world, we can crystallize ourselves with greater and greater spiritual intensity that would make us come closer to being "immortal" as one comes closer to reaching "enlightenment". Some people believe in discovering a physical form of this philosopher's stone, however. And possibly that as we approach a more advanced society that can rediscover "ancient" technology that may have been seen in the time of Atlantis, there may be energetic technologies that far exceed our imaginations and extend life. Of course the more current technological method being looked at in this more mundane state of "advancement" we're in right now would be closer to becoming cybernetic beings where we can just swap/grow organs and host our brains carefully in this skull of ours that may be covered with newer and newer forms of whatever we surgically choose to look like. And then of course achieving some form of technological maturity that can simulate a convincing matrix. But that's the more mundane potentiality and not as interesting to me as the rediscovery of more metaphysical awareness.

In higher densities/ancient times there is some mention of a type of elixir of life or soma that would be powerful at creating either a powerful ecstatic experience that brings one closer to God or at least extends life. We may be able to see something like that in certain entheogens that bring one closer to an awareness of the nature of reality and takes one to a place or experience of eternity; when one comes back down, not much time has passed in this world.

Now of course the spiritual paths elucidated in the Law of One and other sources point towards the ultimate versions of attaining infinite life, as I mentioned earlier. In the Eastern/Vedic paradigm I've studied, there is an explanation of the spirit soul existing in a place that is essentially at a juncture between both the "material" world and the "spiritual" world (I am putting quotes around words that you can substitute with many other words depending on what terminology you feel more comfortable with). From this "middle" place, the soul can choose/look into either place. By one's desires/actions, one can experience what is in one's heart. Achieving the highest love of God is essentially considered the path that awakens one's eternal spiritual position. That person that has awakened that awareness is basically no longer attached to this material world and is existing in both places material and spiritual simultaneously and can choose to live fully in the spiritual world when desired. Generally those awakened beings will not leave because they want to help others find that love and awareness before leaving. But when that state is attained, there is an immense power that is gained, and if used in a particular way, could probably elongate life in this material body, but that is utterly not of interest because eternal, blissful life has already been awakened and is being experienced.
I don't want to live forever or even a very long life.
I just don't want to suffer when I die.
(07-30-2017, 06:25 PM)Ashim Wrote: [ -> ]Bet you never clicked so fast in your life.

No really, this is a serious discussion. First off though, if you really had mastered the art of extended or, even infinite life, a pertinent question is raised.
Do you tell anyone?

If you kept everyone in the dark you could get them to work for you. Hmmmm.

Okay I'll play along.

I think chronological age should cease to be a criterion by which a person is assessed. It has little relevance beyond childhood when one considers pigeonholing, youthfulness, maturity, set in [your] ways, stuck in the past, and other human mental and emotional states and foibles. Letting go of this precise measurement in time may assist in the belief that extension of lifespans is possible.

If no one knows how chronologically old you are, there are no thoughts about what you should be doing, or what is "appropriate" for you at your age, or possibly even that you should have been dead decades ago. Tongue

No, I wouldn't tell anyone, but not because I would want to keep it to myself, or because I was afraid of being discovered, or because I could amass wealth over a number of centuries. I would just be me, doing what I do, in much the same way that I take scorpions outside when at someone else's house. 

Eventually if "the authorities" found out and wanted to catch me and experiment on me, I would hopefully by that time be smart enough to get away from those idiots.

In the meantime, assuming the "secret" is not something like killing humans to suck the life force out of them as in the movie, Immortality, I imagine my mastery could communicate itself to others in some way other than the odious prospect of followers, and inform them that it's possible.

The awesome and entertaining book Jitterbug Perfume, by the off-the-wall Tom Robbins, deals with this idea. He does include the idea of circular breathing and continued sexual activity as key components.
(07-30-2017, 06:25 PM)Ashim Wrote: [ -> ]Bet you never clicked so fast in your life.

Ashim, thank you for being a part of this community. I love your crazy sense of humor  Smile
It's super simple, so I'd tell everyone and no one would believe me.
We already live forever. To want to live forever on this particular plane while while within linear time (which is how I interpret your query) would be akin to wanting to never awaken from a dream. Or a variation on Peter Pan where one never wants to "grow up" and move onto other forms of experience.

So, no thank you. And if anyone did actually accomplish such a thing, they would have my pity - although tempered with the near-certain knowledge that they would evenually seek a way to undo what they had done.
Eventually the fear of dying would overcome the rational mind, time can't tick forever.
I would go learn everything I like professionally. then I'd join a temple and become enlightened.

Or I would make myself invincible.. the same way I made myself immortal. BigSmile

Or maybe I would just kill myself. I'm crazy as ****, so anything is possible.
(07-30-2017, 08:41 PM)sriyantra Wrote: [ -> ]As for infinite life, I haven't seen anywhere, whether in metaphysical/occult, religious, or Law of One teachings that point towards anyone having an infinite life in 3rd density, 
Let me describe my understanding of the proposal. I am suggesting that it is possible to transition from 3rd to 4th density, in full, without any negative change in perception of the body, full continuation of conscious awareness of being, in essence , in the 'same' body. No death. No funeral. Immortality.


(07-31-2017, 01:41 AM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: [ -> ]We already live forever.  To want to live forever on this particular plane while while within linear time (which is how I interpret your query) would be akin to wanting to never awaken from a dream.  Or a variation on Peter Pan where one never wants to "grow up" and move onto other forms of experience.

So, no thank you. And if anyone did actually accomplish such a thing, they would have my pity - although tempered with the near-certain knowledge that they would evenually seek a way to undo what they had done.

In a way you are correct. The undoing, as you inferred, is done by taking part in Games. What do you do when you get bored?

What about the question though; would you spill the beans? Take it for granted that it's possible. Should it be 'leaked' onto the internet?
The synchronicity is really beautiful. I was reading this text before reading this thread:

Quote:But there is another matter that occupies your mind. You have a hidden desire that you are trying to express.
Yes. .. there is one that I would like to visit. You know what I mean.

The most mature and evolved human in physical earth, living in your time reference.
That is so. Can it be done?
Yes, but the result may not be what you expect.
I wish to try, all the same.
I shall lead you.

I followed the dwindling curl of light through the darkness, for I don’t know how long. Suddenly I was in a room, a normal sort of room, sparsely furnished with a few chairs and easy chairs and a table. Two large windows allowed in rays of sunlight; outside there appeared to be a stand of tall trees. It could be anywhere on Earth.
At a desk on one side of the room sat a person. I couldn't tell whether it was male or female; the face and body structure could be either. The face was almost unlined, the hair light brown and down just around the ears; the age somewhere between thirty and fifty, as far as I could tell. The clothing was simple, a white shirt and dark slacks.

But it was the radiation that stunned me. It was like standing in bright spring sunlight that was filled with every human emotion that ever existed. It was almost overwhelming —and yet familiar. It was equally balanced. One moment it was male, then I was sure it was female. A true equal—a He / She. Heshe!
The radiation closed off. Heshe—there had to be a name—looked up. The eyes were bottomless; I could detect no expression or emission. The control was perfect, yet I could not understand the reason for the restraint.
The lips didn't move, but I heard. I was expecting this now. There was a war m chuckle in what I understood.
“Heshe? I've never had that name before.”

“I meant no disrespect. I didn't know what to call you.”
“One name is as good as another. Now, do you really believe I can be of help to you?“
“I always hoped that you could.” “In what way?“
“To answer a few questions. . .”
“What good would my answers be to you?“ “ I. .. I don’t know. ..”
“You insist others obtain their own answers. Why should you be different?”
This struck home. It was as if my bluff had been called. You're right. What I'm really interested in is you, not answers to my questions.”

“I am only one of your statistics. One of the one- in-a-million types. Your friend has done well in locating me.” “I perceive you as occidental, yet no one on Earth really believes you exist. But. .. we have met before. .. just once. .. haven't we?“
“You see? You are answering your own questions.”
“Yet. .. you have lived only one physical lifetime. You have not been recycled, like the rest of us. But. .. how do I know these things?”
“You are reading my mind.”

“Only a part of it, and with your permission, I'm sure. One continuous lifetime, for eighteen hundred years! How do you stay. .. young?“
“I keep changing jobs. That keeps anyone young. Is that a good answer?“
“A great one. What a pleasure to meet you this way! What is your job now, if it may be called that?“
“You might call me an organizer, or facilitator, whichever you like.”
“With your ability, I would think there is much you can do at this very moment.”
“I keep busy.”

“What. .. ? No, I can read it. .. you drive an ambulance, you're a late-night bartender, a psychiatric counselor
.. . and you're just on your way to teach history at the university. And there's more.”
“I like people.”
“Wait. .. you flew gliders once, at Harris Hill. .. I think I remember you. That' s where it was!“ “Just having a little fun.”
“Where do you eat and sleep?”
“I gave those up years ago.”
“You must conduct fascinating lectures in history.”
“I try to amuse, and confuse, with contradictions.”
“Your next job. .. what kind of job will it be?“

“Organizing, naturally. Introducing a Variable, just as you do. Such as this book, or the mind-altering programs you disseminate—all add a Variable into the lives of those who encounter them. Now, instead of all the questions, why don't you read what needs organizing and the goals to be achieved? I can give you what you call a ROTE about that, about a plan that doesn't involve communism or socialism, capitalism or dictatorship.”
“They say it can't be done.”
“That is what makes it worth the effort. It needs a unified worldwide human endeavor. This will happen through recognized necessity, not through religions, race, or political beliefs, or force of arms.”
“Necessity is severe stuff. The world would have to be in rough shape.”

“That is the reason for waiting. The time will come.” “But worldwide, humans have never agreed on anything.”
There was a sudden surge of energy, similar to what I had felt previously. As it faded, I knew the ROTE was in place, ready to be unrolled when the time was right. I had one more question for Heshe.
“When you have time, what about organizing the energy where we work? We need it.”
“You do not really need it, but I will do my best.” “Will you be in physical form?”
“Certainly. But you will not recognize me.” “You know I will try.”

“Of course, Ashaneen. And I will be ready for you. You cannot find me again unless I agree. And now I am due at the university.”
“Thank you so very much. Will I see you again soon?“ “No. Not for a while.” Heshe, the Organizer, turned and left without a backward look. Reluctantly I searched for my INSPEC friend, but I could not obtain a fix on any radiation. I was aware it was time to return to the physical, which I accomplished with no trouble. Once there, I sat up, stretched my arms—and suddenly realized I had been given a clue. Heshe had called me Ashaneen. Or was it a clever misdirection, just for the fun of it?
Now I look carefully at every stranger who comes to visit us. Perhaps I should have made a bet!

From the book "Ultimate Journey" by Robert Monroe.
(07-30-2017, 06:25 PM)Ashim Wrote: [ -> ]No really, this is a serious discussion. First off though, if you really had mastered the art of extended or, even infinite life, a pertinent question is raised.
Do you tell anyone?

If you kept everyone in the dark you could get them to work for you. Hmmmm.

The ones that do live in perpetual regeneration don't share it. Why would they share such society changing technology with us plebs? This world is their STS utopia. Be rest assured they don't want it to change. We've had free energy devices since the 50's, and actual contact with outer space aliens. Very little societal change has occurred considering the potential ramifications of such. Sure, some contrivances have been distributed through the technology sector (which Colonel Corso detailed in his book The Day After Roswell -- which I recommend to anyone interested in where a lot of our modern conveniences came from *cough* silicon chips).

The elites have had this (life extending) genetic technology for a quite a while. That was one of the first things they figured out. When Ra said we had the technology to resolve each and every ill that plagues our social memory complex, they weren't kidding. Even aging.

And there have been whistle-blowers that have come forward (Bill Tompkins is one that comes to mind). Of course, no one takes them seriously. But most people don't have the ability to discern truth from falsity, so they are stuck grasping at the shadows cast by the moon (and its not even the light of a full moon). There are people that still wouldn't believe in aliens even if you had a dead one on a slab in front of them. The programming has been that successful.

William Tompkins worked for a secret think tank within the Douglas Aircraft Company designing kilometer-long antigravity spacecraft covertly requested by the U.S. Navy. According to Bill, the elites within the upper echelons of the secret government have a series of treatments that, when administered, cause males to revert to the biological equivalent of about age 28-30 and females revert to the biological equivalent of 18-20. And the total transformation takes a number of months to complete depending how far you have aged.

But of course, this is all just fantasy to most.

P.S. Obligatory statement/link: THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!
https://m.vk.com/wall-33081340_20092
Draja Mickaharic Immortality 2007 pdf
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Quote:63.17 Questioner: Is the reason that they can do this and the fifth- and sixth-density Wanderers who are here cannot do it the fact that they have the fourth-density body in activation?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. Wanderers are third-density activated in mind/body/spirit and are subject to the forgetting which can only be penetrated with disciplined meditation and working.

Quote:62.28 Questioner: Then as the fourth-density vibrations come in this means that the planet can support entities of fourth-density core vibration. Will the planet then still be first-density core vibration and will there be second-density entities on it with second-density vibrations, and will there be third-density entities with third-density vibrations?
Ra: I am Ra. This will be the last full query of this working. There is energy but the distortions of the instrument suggest to us it would be well to shorten this working with your permission.
Quote:62.29 Questioner: Yes.
Ra: You must see the Earth, as you call it, as being seven Earths. There is red, orange, yellow, and there will soon be a completed green color vibratory locus for fourth-density entities which they will call Earth. During the fourth-density experience, due to the lack of development of fourth-density entities, the third-density planetary sphere is not useful for habitation since the early fourth-density entity will not know precisely how to maintain the illusion that fourth density cannot be seen or determined from any instrumentation available to any third density.

Thus in fourth density the red, orange, and green energy nexi of your planet will be activated while the yellow is in potentiation along with the blue and the indigo.

May we ask at this time if there be any brief queries?

Quote:63.20 Questioner: OK. Now as this transition continues into fourth-density activation, in order to inhabit this fourth-density sphere it will be necessary for all third-density physical bodies to go through the process which we refer to as death. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

Quote:63.21 Questioner: Now, are there any inhabitants at this time of this fourth-density sphere who have already gone through this process. Is it now being populated?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct only in the very, shall we say, recent past.

63.22 Questioner: I would assume this population is from other planets since the harvesting has not occurred yet on this planet. It is from planets where the harvesting has already occurred. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

Quote:63.24 Questioner: Sorry I am so stupid on this, but this particular concept is very difficult for me to understand. It is something that I’m afraid requires some rather dumb questions on my part to fully understand. I don’t think I’ll ever fully understand, but [inaudible] even get a grasp of it.

Then as the fourth-density sphere is activated there is heat energy being generated. I assume this heat energy is generated in the third-density sphere only. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is quite correct. The experiential distortions of each dimension are discrete.

Quote:63.29 Questioner: Is there a clock-like face, shall I say, associated with the entire major galaxy of many billions of stars so that as it revolves, it carries all of these stars and planetary systems through transitions from density to density? Is this how it works?
Ra: I am Ra. You are perceptive. You may see a three-dimensional clock face or spiral of endlessness which is planned by the Logos for this purpose.
So no, you can't "tell" anyone. Since you won't be able to press a keyboard or communicate by other means. Third and Forth density don't share the same dimensional light vibration frequency.
(07-31-2017, 06:48 PM)Sprout Wrote: [ -> ]So no, you can't "tell" anyone. Since you won't be able to press a keyboard or communicate by other means. Third and Forth density don't share the same dimensional light vibration frequency.

So I take it that you don't want to know then? None of your quotes even remotely suggest that the proposal (immortality) is impossible.
My thoughts are more along the lines of trying to understand the metaphysical properties of Light, and their relationship in 3rd density to the ageing process of the physical body, coupled with the concept of spiritual enlightenment, working through 4th density awareness and beyond.

Looking straight at the sun is harmful for humans. We can't stand the intensity of light. Sunlight causes our skin to burn and become cancerous. The cells of our body develop mutations and the physical vessel eventually perishes. It would seem to me, for starters at least, that it would be a inspired idea to avoid solar radiation. Underground perhaps? Ok, we're still a way off from eternal life, but let's approach this step-for-step. The Guardians of this planet would seem not to be "surface dwellers", perhaps for good reason.

The other aspect that interests me is a question regarding the 'location' of our conscious awareness. Would the inner earth inhabitant not experience a reversal of 'reality'? If the greater part of experience was to be had in time/space or the 'dream world', then a dominant portion of soul energy would reside there. Their world would predominantly consist of the matrix of vibrational rooms that constitute time space "geography". The 3rd density experience, or  surface world, would be to them as the dream is to us.

I have a strong feeling that the transition from 3rd to 4th density without 'death' involves a gradual transfer of soul energy, whereby an entity becomes able to move at will between these realms,  just as we walk from one room in our house, to another. That reminds me. I must go to the bathroom.
I find knowledge in silence, forgive me brother/sister. I wish you well.

Quote:26.36 Questioner: Then I am assuming all of the UFO groups who were getting telepathic contact from the Confederation were, shall we say, high-priority targets for the Orion crusaders, and I would assume that a large percentage of them were, shall we say, had their information polluted then. Can you tell me, do you have any idea what percentage of these groups were heavily polluted by the Orion information and if any of them were able to remain purely a Confederation channel?
Ra: I am Ra. To give you this information would be to infringe upon the free will or confusion of some living. We can only ask each group to consider the relative effect of philosophy and your so-called specific information. It is not the specificity of the information which attracts negative influences. It is the importance placed upon it.

This is why we iterate quite often, when asked for specific information, that it pales to insignificance, just as the grass withers and dies while the love and the light of the One Infinite Creator redounds to the very infinite realms of creation forever and ever, creating and creating itself in perpetuity.

Why then be concerned with the grass that blooms, withers and dies in its season only to grow once again due to the infinite love and light of the One Creator? This is the message we bring. Each entity is only superficially that which blooms and dies. In the deeper sense there is no end to beingness
(08-02-2017, 05:44 AM)Sprout Wrote: [ -> ]I find knowledge in silence, forgive me brother/sister. I wish you well.
Fair enough, but I still don't understand the relevance of your quotes. As you are new to the forum I would suggest that you add your own comments in addition to the LOO material in order to aid discussion. 

For example:

Ra did however state, that although difficult and potentially dangerous, a being is capable of unrestricted movement within the Creation. That sounds a whole lot like immortality to me. What do you make of it?

Quote:48.10 Questioner: Could you tell me how the various bodies, red through violet, are linked to the energy center, centers, red through violet? Are they linked in some way?

Ra: I am Ra. This shall be the last full query of this working.

As we have noted, each of the true-color densities has the seven energy centers and each entity contains all this in potentiation. The activation, while in yellow ray, of violet-ray intelligent infinity is a passport to the next octave of experience. There are adepts who have penetrated many, many of the energy centers and several of the true colors. This must be done with utmost care while in the physical body for as we noted when speaking of the dangers of linking red/orange/yellow circuitry with true-color blue circuitry the potential for disarrangement of the mind/body/spirit complex is great. However, the entity who penetrates intelligent infinity is basically capable of walking the universe with unfettered tread.
Ra says we still recycle body complexes unto 6th density. What parts of your third density identity do you feel would serve you if you carried them into fourth density?

Are you talking about dual-activation? Because Ra does say that Wanderers are not dual-activated because it would allow them to live god-like. Early fourth density beings are incarnated with dual-activation, however.
You know, I was thinking... I don't particularly believe that immortality technology currently exists, but it would create an interesting problem if it did. Let's say some horrible nasty rich elite person did have their own private DNA resequencer or whatever. How long could they ACTUALLY keep it a secret while still interacting with the world?

I mean, we're in a world with cameras everywhere, facial identification, fingerprints, satellites that can read the newspaper over your shoulder, etc etc. This isn't like some vampire story where someone in the 1500s just fakes their own death every few decades and them reemerges pretending to be the next generation of the family. There would be a very limited timespan on how long someone could get away with that today and in the years to come. Even the first switcheroo would be difficult to pull off. Sure, maybe they're even so powerful that they could pay off every single government in the world to alter every single official record of them in the world (although it sounds far-fetched)... but then there's still Facebook, Instagram, and soforth -- not to mention print sources -- along with plenty of computerized identification/recognition tech that's publicly accessible.

Such a technology would ultimately become a trap. They couldn't leave their own homes, or at least not grounds thoroughly under their own control, for risk of their secret getting out. Whether or not they feared for themselves personally, such people tend to be possessive and would likely want to keep the secret to themselves out of spite. But that would really put a Faustian twist on the whole matter. Would someone be so desperate for immortality that they'd be willing to lock themselves away to achieve it?
(08-02-2017, 02:06 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: [ -> ]You know, I was thinking...  I don't particularly believe that immortality technology currently exists, but it would create an interesting problem if it did.  Let's say some horrible nasty rich elite person did have their own private DNA resequencer or whatever.  How long could they ACTUALLY keep it a secret while still interacting with the world?

I mean, we're in a world with cameras everywhere, facial identification, fingerprints, satellites that can read the newspaper over your shoulder, etc etc.  This isn't like some vampire story where someone in the 1500s just fakes their own death every few decades and them reemerges pretending to be the next generation of the family.  There would be a very limited timespan on how long someone could get away with that today.  Even the first switcheroo would be difficult to pull off.  Sure, maybe they're even so powerful that they could pay off every single government in the world to alter every single official record of them in the world (although it sounds far-fetched)...  but then there's still Facebook, Instagram, and soforth (not to mention print sources), along with plenty of computerized identification/recognition tech that's publicly accessible.

Such a technology would ultimately become a trap.  They couldn't leave their own homes, or at least not grounds thoroughly under their own control, for risk of their secret getting out.  Whether or not they feared for themselves personally, such people tend to be possessive and would likely want to keep the secret to themselves out of spite.  But that would really put a Faustian twist on the whole matter.  Would someone be so desperate for immortality that they'd be willing to lock themselves away to achieve it?

No offense. but this kinda seems like a failure of imagination.

If such technology existed, don't you think they would also have facial reconstruction, and fingerprint reconstruction? Any sufficiently developed technology becomes indistinguishable from magic. I'm not trying to paint a picture of someone who is all powerful, because they're fallible humans, just like us, but it doesn't seem implausible to me at all. Even in the mainstream, we have plastic surgery that can drastically change someones appearance. Fingerprints can be removed quite easily (although crudely in the mainstream -- I, myself, have most of my fingerprints burned off (or at least changed) on my right hand due to an accident as a child with a wood-stove). Is it really such a stretch to believe more advanced reconstruction has been developed? And as far as government records, they could easily just start a whole new identity. There are plenty of places in the world where identification records are not kept. They could simply claim to be some kind of immigrant after the face change. Presto, whole new identity.

And even if they didn't alter their face, if we are to take such whistle-blowers seriously, we have *space-ships*. Ra even declared we have a *base on the Moon*. Let that sink in for a minute. We probably have bases on other planets (many people have claimed this). These people don't even have to live on Earth at this point. It is fine to be a skeptic (you'd be in a good company -- critical thinking is a valuable commodity, but it is also extremely easy to be a critic. All you have to do is sit in a chair and say "show me the proof". Job accomplished. Pat self on back. But then I suppose it is also easy to be a believer too. It is difficult to find the middle ground, where the spiritual moonlight either reveals or conceals) I think you raise good questions, but I feel like there are a lot of variables here to take into account. And merely accepting variables validated by Ra, it already seems *massively* plausible considering those world rocking revelations given way back in the 80's.

On the other hand, I agree with you, that disclosure would be inevitable. And they know that. DNA would be hard to fake, but what do I know? They want the whistle-blowers, and the leakers. Even on the fringe, it gradually acclimatizes the public to what is coming. I don't think they ever planned to keep these, and other things, a secret forever. They're not stupid. It's like Pandoras box. It's human nature to spill the beans. They just want to control how it is revealed at this point since it is ultimately un-concealable. But that is what the end of the 3rd density cycle on this planet is going to look like from my point of view. A lot of fantastic technology becoming publicly available.

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What I am suggesting is not technology in the strict sense of nuts and bolts, although it can be packaged to appear that way. I do not argue with Ra that the 3rd density body must 'die'. This I believe is a given, but would a sufficiently advanced being not be able to project his light body down to 3rd density, where the photons are condensed into matter, thus creating a form indistinguishable from native surface dwellers? The 4th density body template would "inform" the 3rd.

I think many of you are picking up my stick from the wrong end, in assuming that I am somehow advocating the persistence of the body "as is", without significant change. When the adept dreams he is able to create a light body. This is the vessel you find yourself in during nightly adventures in the astral, or if you are of a high enough core vibration, well into 4th density and beyond. Why would the reverse not apply in the case of inner plane entities? Do you see what I am getting at? Obviously this has been difficult in the past due to the quarantine held in place by the Guardians, but would seem feasible.

Perhaps auditory "channelling" is the same family of ability connected with strong blue ray activation, and "optical manifestation" the reward when the indigo ray is added. Most incarnates can only perform this when a deep sleep state is reached (silence of the active portion of mind), but surely it is possible to advance to a point where this becomes no more difficult than walking and navigating 3rd density terrain.
/cough

Quote:13.20 Questioner: Is there any physical difference between first and second density? For instance, if I could see a second-density planet and a first-density planet side by side, in my present condition, could I see both of them? Would they be both visible?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. All of the octave of your densities would be clearly visible were not the fourth through the seventh freely choosing not to be visible.

12.17 Questioner: Does an individual in the fourth density normally appear— or are they normally invisible to us?

Ra: I am Ra. The use of the word “normal” is one which befuddles the meaning of the question. Let us rephrase for clarity. The fourth density is, by choice, not visible to third density. It is possible for fourth density to be visible. However, it is not the choice of the fourth-density entity to be visible due to the necessity for concentration upon a rather difficult vibrational complex which is the third density you experience.

6.7 Questioner: How were you able to make the transition from Venus, and I assume the sixth dimension, which— would that be invisible when you reached here? Did you have to change your dimensions to walk on the Earth?

Ra: You will remember the exercise of the wind. The dissolution into nothingness is the dissolution into unity, for there is no nothingness. From the sixth dimension, we are capable of manipulating, by thought, the intelligent infinity present in each particle of light or distorted light so that we were able to clothe ourselves in a replica visible in the third density of our mind/body/spirit complexes in the sixth density. We were allowed this experiment by the Council which guards this planet.
(08-02-2017, 09:29 PM)Aion Wrote: [ -> ]/cough


Quote:13.20 Questioner: Is there any physical difference between first and second density? For instance, if I could see a second-density planet and a first-density planet side by side, in my present condition, could I see both of them? Would they be both visible?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. All of the octave of your densities would be clearly visible were not the fourth through the seventh freely choosing not to be visible.

12.17 Questioner: Does an individual in the fourth density normally appear— or are they normally invisible to us?

Ra: I am Ra. The use of the word “normal” is one which befuddles the meaning of the question. Let us rephrase for clarity. The fourth density is, by choice, not visible to third density. It is possible for fourth density to be visible. However, it is not the choice of the fourth-density entity to be visible due to the necessity for concentration upon a rather difficult vibrational complex which is the third density you experience.

6.7 Questioner: How were you able to make the transition from Venus, and I assume the sixth dimension, which— would that be invisible when you reached here? Did you have to change your dimensions to walk on the Earth?

Ra: You will remember the exercise of the wind. The dissolution into nothingness is the dissolution into unity, for there is no nothingness. From the sixth dimension, we are capable of manipulating, by thought, the intelligent infinity present in each particle of light or distorted light so that we were able to clothe ourselves in a replica visible in the third density of our mind/body/spirit complexes in the sixth density. We were allowed this experiment by the Council which guards this planet.

I am very familiar with the material that you quoted, so what is the point? What are you attempting to prove or disprove?
I don't really pay attention to talk of immortality (or longevity) in the flesh. To me, the body is but a thing of yesterday.

Interestingly though, the strangest story I have ever heard along these lines is that of Fulcanelli.

Quote:According to Canseliet, his last encounter with Fulcanelli happened during 1953 (years after his disappearance), when he went to Spain and there was taken to a castle high in the mountains for a rendezvous with his former master. Canseliet had known Fulcanelli as an old man in his 80s but now the Master had grown younger and had physically changed in appearance: he was now an androgynous creature, a being Fulcanelli called The Divine Androgyne. The reunion was brief and Fulcanelli once again disappeared not leaving any trace of his whereabouts.
(08-01-2017, 06:09 PM)Ashim Wrote: [ -> ]I have a strong feeling that the transition from 3rd to 4th density without 'death' involves a gradual transfer of soul energy ...

Entering Heaven alive (called by various religions "ascension", "assumption", or "translation") is a belief held in various religions. (Wiki)
(08-05-2017, 08:28 AM)loostudent Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-01-2017, 06:09 PM)Ashim Wrote: [ -> ]I have a strong feeling that the transition from 3rd to 4th density without 'death' involves a gradual transfer of soul energy ...

Entering Heaven alive (called by various religions "ascension", "assumption", or "translation") is a belief held in various religions. (Wiki)

Well I'm pretty sure I remember how it's done now. Last time I was here I screwed it up and got blown to bits. By the time I had figured out what had happened it was 1967 and not a moment too late in order to return and finish the job. Oh well, better luck this time round.

Everyone gets there sooner or later. All just a matter of time.


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And it's f***** up, f***** up

And this is f***** up, f***** up

This your blind spot, blind spot

It should be obvious, but it's not.

But it isn't, but it isn't
 
Thom Yorke, Black Swan
(07-31-2017, 12:29 PM)anagogy Wrote: [ -> ]The elites have had this (life extending) genetic technology for a quite a while. That was one of the first things they figured out. When Ra said we had the technology to resolve each and every ill that plagues our social memory complex, they weren't kidding. Even aging.

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William Tompkins worked for a secret think tank within the Douglas Aircraft Company designing kilometer-long antigravity spacecraft covertly requested by the U.S. Navy. According to Bill, the elites within the upper echelons of the secret government have a series of treatments that, when administered, cause males to revert to the biological equivalent of about age 28-30 and females revert to the biological equivalent of 18-20. And the total transformation takes a number of months to complete depending how far you have aged.

What is the point of the reverse aging technology if the following is also true, and the STS elite know it??

(07-31-2017, 06:30 PM)Sprout Wrote: [ -> ]
Quote:63.20 Questioner: OK. Now as this transition continues into fourth-density activation, in order to inhabit this fourth-density sphere it will be necessary for all third-density physical bodies to go through the process which we refer to as death. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

So the STS reverse aged third density bodies will be forced to die eventually anyway.
(08-08-2017, 02:58 PM)sjel Wrote: [ -> ]What is the point of the reverse aging technology if the following is also true, and the STS elite know it??

Who says they are planning on staying on Earth? Also, just because you have life extension technology doesn't mean you live forever. You just live longer. Even if there were no aging, you could get hit by a truck tomorrow. 3rd density has a couple more hundred years to go. May the odds be ever in your favor!

(08-08-2017, 02:58 PM)sjel Wrote: [ -> ]So the STS reverse aged third density bodies will be forced to die eventually anyway.

Die can mean a lot of different things. Death is just a transformation. A caterpillar could be said to die to its caterpillar form, when it metamorphosizes into a butterfly. But the death is just a death to its prior form, not a death to its life *in* form. Keep in mind the Earth doesn't go away at harvest, there is still going to be red, orange, and green active. Meaning, animal life will still be roaming and romping about the Earth and surviving. If orange ray bodies can survive, and yellow ray bodies are similar to orange ray bodies, why would they suddenly keel over and die? Yellow-ray will still be here too, for a while, but it will be too positive for any remaining polarized STS beings to want to live there. The positive yellow ray bodies will gradually raise vibrationally to the point that they will keep giving birth to higher and higher vibrational offspring biological complexes, which will eventually produce a fully 4D being. But if there are any negative stragglers, and they have sufficient technology, they will merely leave for more attractive locales to their consciousness. This place will be boring for them. The ones without technology will gradually reduce in consciousness until they return to the animal tribal continuum (give birth to more and more animal like biological complexes), and at death the 3rd density souls will move to another 3rd density planet.

And then of course, a few highly polarized negatives will self harvest at death.
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