(08-27-2017, 12:57 PM)chamkigirl Wrote: [ -> ]Thank you for taking the time to explain Minyatur, but there's a LOT that confuses or eludes me in your explanation. Allow me to respond, in italics below.
Glad to explain my thoughts a bit more.
(08-27-2017, 12:57 PM)chamkigirl Wrote: [ -> ] (08-24-2017, 01:16 PM)Minyatur Wrote: [ -> ]Harvest within the Octave is in no way about becoming better and instead an exploration of a given spectrum of beingness and so harvest is linked to vibrational growth within this spectrum. If you hold both charges they will nullify one another and so you need to explore a given charge to ascend upward.
I think you can see both polarities as being selfful and only the outer edges of the Octave reflect actual selflessness, emergence into 1D from the Source and the merging into 7D toward the Source, which touches to that which is One unconditionally with All. The Octave system in the middle is then dependant upon you holding a selfful charge as the exploration of a self, and both polarities are poles of a potential charge you can have in relation to yourself as both self and other-selves in perception of the Creator seen in both. Both polarities are potentials of Love and can hold an equal charge, Love is that which rejects and accepts under circumstances.
What does this mean? I don't get it.
Both polarities are a charge of Love and they have the same core potential which enables both. Love can be made to be full (acceptance) or incomplete (rejection), when made full it seeks to radiate its fullness and when made incomplete it seeks to absorb into its incompleteness. Love is not one of the two, but truly the potential for both and the Creator then sees the cause and effect which bring about the positive potentials of its Love and the cause and effect which brings about the negative potentials of its Love.
The Ra material states that the negative path was not known until confusion was introduced to offer a better quality experience to the Creator, I think that carries well the idea that the negative only ever manifests in particular circumstances.
(08-27-2017, 12:57 PM)chamkigirl Wrote: [ -> ] (08-24-2017, 01:16 PM)Minyatur Wrote: [ -> ]To give a simple example. If you desire, as a self, to be of a STO nature, then can you be One with All? The answer is no because you desire to embrace a single aspect of your infinite nature while rejecting its counterpart, while your self totality is truly both always.
Sure, but as a STO oriented person, I would be 51% or more dedicated to others, which means I would be 49% or less dedicated to myself. So, I don't desire to embrace a "single aspect of [my] infinite nature". I have both aspects within me in a certain proportion.
I actually think that wandering is such an interesting experience because it allows the spirit to balance both polarities in greater ways as aspects of the self than it is possible from standing in a strong polarized charge. Beyond harvest, entities will work toward attaining a strong charge in either direction and work with that polarity, each path is a lengthy exploration and exploring a path disallows to explore the other simultaneously (at our level only though, as we also are the Logos which explores both truly simultaneously).
(08-27-2017, 12:57 PM)chamkigirl Wrote: [ -> ] (08-24-2017, 01:16 PM)Minyatur Wrote: [ -> ]Selflessness is stagnation within the design of the Octave which requires selffulness to advance. STO is much like the default nature of things and as such any exploration of STS reflect the required circumstances for STO to be made STS and STS ever only resolves in embracing and accepting itself (being STO with the self) and this healing enables one to then be STO with others. STS distortions cannot be overcome and must be distilled positively, as it is an aspect of what we all are.
I don't understand the phrases in bold.
I think a good way to put it is that what is negative resolves in healing and cannot be wished to simply vanish, it must be worked with from that state while embracing that state. Rejection accentuates the negative path and acceptance alleviates it.
I think this quote touches the subject nicely :
Quote:69.11 Questioner: Can you tell me of the situation that the Wanderer finds itself in and why the path back cannot be the simple moving back into the same value of positive time/space?
Ra: I am Ra. The path back revolves, firstly, about the higher self’s reluctance to enter negative space/time. This may be a significant part of the length of that path. Secondly, when a positively oriented entity incarnates in a thoroughly negative environment it must needs learn/teach the lessons of the love of self thus becoming one with its other-selves.
When this has been accomplished the entity may then choose to release the potential difference and change polarities.
However, the process of learning the accumulated lessons of love of self may be quite lengthy. Also the entity, in learning these lessons, may lose much positive orientation during the process and the choice of reversing polarities may be delayed until the mid-sixth density. All of this is, in your way of measurement, time-consuming although the end result is well.
Touches a bit why I said above that to follow the STO path is not being One with All, as when in a negative time/space you need to embrace becoming one with your negatively polarized other-selves to resolve your polarity.
(08-27-2017, 12:57 PM)chamkigirl Wrote: [ -> ] (08-24-2017, 01:16 PM)Minyatur Wrote: [ -> ]More than that STS is not wrong, it is that STO is not good. You are STO for yourself as you are both self and other-selves and being STO is basically just being in a heathly relationship with what you are. Then one can ask, why can the self be driven toward being unhealthy with itself? (maybe its awareness of love rejects aspects of itself?)
You say "STO is not good", but then you say STO is "basically being in healthy relationship with what you are". So, isn't that "good"?
And the bit in bold, i don't understand.
Well it is not good as in that it is not virtuous, it is somewhat more of a privileged state.
I think a focus on good and bad disallows compassion, while a focus on seeing a healthy/unhealthy state allows greater compassion (or at least that's my take at it
). If I see someone great in hatred, I do not think of them as bad and instead acknowledge that all their hate is an abstraction of inner wounds they are unable to cope with facing in vulnerability, and so when I see someone not bound by hatred I do not think of them as good either and acknowledge their same potential to be bound in hatred which is simply not manifested, as both are One and nothing unlike another.
For the bold part, the only manner in which you can be negative with others is because they mirror aspects of yourself you are unacceptant of and in attempting to control and suppress these aspects in others you attempt at controlling and suppressing these aspects within yourself. It is never healthy to hurt others as all you can hurt is your own beingness. So then one can ask, why can one be unhealthy with itself? While the answer is probably of an infinite nature, I'd say it is because there is a contained unwellness which manifests in unhealthy behaviors.
Another aspect of why healthy is not necessarily good, is that this was what the cosmos initially was and the experience of disharmony is stated to be a mean to offer a better quality experience to the Creator. Tensions yield passion.
(08-27-2017, 12:57 PM)chamkigirl Wrote: [ -> ] (08-24-2017, 01:16 PM)Minyatur Wrote: [ -> ]Another simple example of sefful postive/negative charge and selfless positive/negative charge. Say mankind harvested negatively, the Earth would then become selflessly negatively charged although it would not be selffuly negatively charged.
Sorry. I don't get the above quote either.
What I meant by this is that as self we explore polarity selffully while the Logos and sub-Logois above us explore polarity selflessly in providing an environment for polarity to be expressed and discovered.
A negatively polarized planet mean that the sub-Logoi holds a negative charge within its beingness because of having allowed free will to those inhabiting its world, but this is different from how a mind/body/spirit complex inhabiting this world explores itself in its own polarity. Maybe it wasn't useful to share, but what I meant is that neither polarity are selfless of themselves and selflessness does not dictate its own polarity. A bit like how to reach the Source to be One with All would mean to encompass all that is in all possible colors and not preferred sets of colors.
I don't think that sub-Logois are necessarily completely selfless but that they work selflessness while polarity is a work of selfulness.
(08-27-2017, 12:57 PM)chamkigirl Wrote: [ -> ]
Apologies that I'm not able to get this! And thank you sincerely for the sustained discussion.
My pleasure, I love contemplating these subjects but I may not be very good at expressing my thoughts.
It went a bit far into my thoughts, but to go back on your original question; you can see that both polarities are one's ability to do work within the Octave and this work is what is required for growth, so what matters is an intensity of charge to work from. This density and the following are more centered upon feeling for harvest, while the fifth works wisdom and the sixth works unity to transcend polarity, and the seventh works toward all-reaching foreverness.
The Octave as a whole is much like a structure meant to expand experience and awareness of Love in all its potentials to fulfill the Creator's seeking of Itself.
Hope I haven't made it more confusing than it was!