You always read about wanderers being entities coming from a higher density to help others. Well is there ever any instances of negatively polarized higher density beings coming back to a lower density to make life easier for themselves? Or to make it easier to control, conquer, etc?
Koolaid Wrote:You always read about wanderers being entities coming from a higher density to help others. Well is there ever any instances of negatively polarized higher density beings coming back to a lower density to make life easier for themselves? Or to make it easier to control, conquer, etc?
Hi Koolaid.
Well, if we keep in mind that early in 6th density, polarity goes out the window as those on the negative path must come into a realization that all are The Creator in order to advance, then we see that the highest density from which a 'negative wanderer' could come is the 5th. Looking at what Ra said about 5th density negative might shed some light on why this type of wanderer is so rare.
LoO,BookII,Session48 Wrote:Ra: In fifth-density negative, service to self has become extremely intense and the self has shrunk or compacted so that the dialogues with the teach/learners are used exclusively in order to intensify wisdom. There are very, very few fifth-density negative Wanderers for they fear the forgetting.
I suppose that there could be 4th density negative wanderers, but to me that seems to be just as unlikely as a 5th density negative wanderer.
Hope this helps.
Be well,
Kensanwa
Hello Koolaid, there are such that claims to be 3rd density negative entitiys with the sole purpose of helping us understand free will by spreading negativity. They are doing us a great service, and also a great sacrifice due to the extreme difficulty of achieving the negative harvest. To be actively so separating and negative requires great effort and the only motivation through this sadness and hateful existence is for the higher cause of helping all.
Check out "Hidden_Hand".
I have a feeling of being an STS entity from the beginning, but with great effort I've understood STO and "converted". When I look back on my past life it's been extremely dominated by STS, just a few years ago I started looking on people as a part of me instead of simple tools for learning. I have detested this world for the longest time, finding only meaning in STS activities, because that was what felt natural. I identified myself very much with STS "ideals". This, if anything, is proof for me of the extreme difficulty STS entitys have, both finding themselves and purpose, but also existing itself. You could say that I "fled" to STO, because it's much more harmonized and wonderful existence. You could say that other STS entitys would find me "weak", but I love them for their sacrifice.
I have no idea which density I am from though. 5th perhaps, I feel a strong remembrance from my subjective intepretation of that place. More likely 4th since, as kensawna says, there is no chance in the world of 5th.
I don't even know if you can convert in this density, if such even matters to my rightful density. I'll notice, I guess...
Please look upon fellow STS entitys with love and acceptance, for they need all the encouragement they can get for staying true to their path. They help you by using you.
Peace and love.
(02-05-2009, 05:30 AM)ayadew Wrote: [ -> ]I don't even know if you can convert in this density, if such even matters to my rightful density. I'll notice, I guess...
Indeed, one can "convert" in 3rd density. Recall:
Quote:Ra, Book IV, Session 89
Questioner: What techniques did the two negatively harvested entities use for negative polarization upon such a positively polarized planet [i.e., Venus]?
Ra: I am Ra. The technique of control over others and domination unto the physical death was used in both cases. Upon a planetary influence much unused to slaughter these entities were able to polarize by this means. upon your third-density environment at the time of your experiencing such
entities would merely be considered, shall we say, ruthless despots which waged the holy war.
Questioner: Did these two entities evolve from the second density of the planet Venus along with the rest of the population of Venus that became Ra from second density to third?
Ra: I am Ra. No.
Questioner: What was the origin of the two entities of which you speak?
Ra: I am Ra. These entities were Wanderers from early positive fifth
density.
Questioner: And though they had already evolved through a positive fourth density they, shall we say, switched polarity in the reincarnating in third density. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.
Also, recall that the farther along one is in either polarity the easier it actually is to change polarities.
Quote:Ra Book I, Session 19
Questioner: I assume that an entity on either path can decide to change paths at any time and possibly retrace steps, the path changing being more difficult the farther along the path the change is made. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The further an entity has, what you would call, polarized, the more easily this entity may change polarity, for the more power and awareness the entity will have.
Those truly helpless are those who have not consciously chosen but who repeat patterns without knowledge of the repetition or the meaning of the pattern.
Love and Light,
3D Sunset
Thank you 3D Sunset, I am grateful to you. With my existence having been extremely dominated by STS I have passively understood the Polarity that is STO. I very much agree with that I've likely had an "easy" time to switch in comparison of what others might have had. Being on the edge of a line I simply turned it 180 degrees.
Wow, those are all such helpful answers, now that I read what 3D Sunset posted I do remember reading that some time ago, must have forgotten. But in both instances of what Ra said there and what Ayadew posted I find them both to be extremely STO. Already being in the 4h or 5th density STO and then deciding to come back to 3rd and switching polarity for the benefit of others is an extreme self-sacrifice, is it not?
Wow, ayadew, I felt moved by your story. Thanks for sharing!
I am honored that you feel that way Monica, and Koolaid.
Good discussion guys, I've pondered these things myself. One more
thing to add into the mix here, In LOO at some point it says that
occasionally a very early sixth density negative will also wander in
effort to polarize more strongly negative. Don asked if there was an
example of this in our history, RA said yes but claimed the law of
confusion... It was session 36 if anyone is curious
I've heard people speak ill of hidden hand in a way that perfectly corresponds to my understanding of negative density. Having read a link on llresearch called 'are you seeking the light or dancing with the dark,' and then read as people on the divine cosmos forum said that they had once loved hidden hand but now believe it negative and I quote 'Why would a negative entity spend so much time preaching positive values'.
But I don't know if that's what you were implying.
Ra refused to answer about the 'highly unusual' negative wanderer because, and I quote 'please attempt to see your otherselves as the creator.' I think that's a lovely quote.
Isn't it interesting that the 'Illuminati' for lack of a better term, are likely stacked with density vibrations of late third and early fourth, whereas the normal population has a few, more than a few, sixth density wanderers in it. They're ideas of superiority are vastly misplaced.
ayadew, that is exactly the problem that I was having accepting that I may be a wanderer earlier. I feel such an understanding to the STS values that I thought I may be going STS. What disturbed me the most was that I thought I may be going STS instead of STO. It can be hard to differentiate when you are questioning your own values.
Like I felt that maybe my motivations behind all of my giving and service might have been selfish, but it was that my love and recognition of the self were waning so that I thought it was STS instead of STO. I think that is it but dont hold me to it; I still get confused.
Love and Peace
(02-06-2009, 09:17 PM)Phoenix Wrote: [ -> ]I've heard people speak ill of hidden hand in a way that perfectly corresponds to my understanding of negative density. Having read a link on llresearch called 'are you seeking the light or dancing with the dark,' and then read as people on the divine cosmos forum said that they had once loved hidden hand but now believe it negative and I quote 'Why would a negative entity spend so much time preaching positive values'.
Isn't it interesting that the 'Illuminati' for lack of a better term, are likely stacked with density vibrations of late third and early fourth, whereas the normal population has a few, more than a few, sixth density wanderers in it. They're ideas of superiority are vastly misplaced.
Indeed, there are not many "true" STS people around here living with intention, such as Hidden Hand.
The "Illuminati" people are likely not very close to 95% STS, it seems to take enormous effort. I don't know what their purpose are, they just seem afraid of who they truly are, afraid of looking inside of themselves and only see the hollow truth they've manufactured for themselves. Please spread love and acceptance to these individuals.
Remember that Hidden Hands ultimate objective is to help us and themselves, I believe that was their intention with the post, but their way of doing it is STS centered.
There is always the paradox in this density.
We STO people help other people to help ourselves.
STS people help themselves to help others.
Also, exploring the dark in the hopes of finding light can be much easier than looking for light in a "fairly lit room" if you get my meaning. Having understanding with one side passively grants understanding of the other of the polarity.
Alas, only one person said that on someone's user space about Hidden hand, and there was no discussion on it.
That assertion I made about Hidden Hand was perhaps a bit premature, but I'm sure no on listened anyway if they did like the channeling, or whatever it was!
Innocent until proven guilty. Worth checking out the 'Are you seeking the light or dancing with the dark' link on llresearch though.
I remember the story recounted by Ra about the STO Wanderers who came here to help, but ended up forcing their ways on the unsuspecting populace, and ended up switching to STS. (I think maybe it was on Venus?)
Don asked how they felt when they awakened in 4D STS. Ra replied "They were disconcerted."
That response really did a number on my head. I have reminded myself of this story many times, whenever I found myself trying too hard to impose my 'help' upon those who might not wish it. No matter how 'good' my intentions, I must remember to honor their free will. I don't want to wake up 'disconcerted.'
So, I think it's a valid concern. But I find great solace in the knowledge that the STS path requires a much higher percentage...and is actually difficult path to traverse. I sort of doubt that any of us would actually find ourselves switching polarity, while consciously seeking STO polarity. Much more likely, methinks, is that some of us might have been STS before and have recently switched to STO, and jumped in to help at this crucial time. I have no way to back this up, but it's just a thought, For what it's worth. Not even sure why I thought it, except for my observations of some people I know, who seem to fit that profile...they seem to have memories of being despots, and are now attempting to make amends...pretty cool stuff actually.
i think one of the sts wanderers is Niccolo Macchiavelli. You know his ideas are basis for politics, like manipulating other, hiding the truth. For this reason he seem 1 of the famous sts wanderers in our earth.
Interesting question.
I really don't know. But how about higher density wanderers that come to earth and either forget their polarity, or are perceived as negative?
Ghangis Khan was a sts wanderer. And we all know how well that went for everyone else...
fairyfarmgirl
Perhaps I am too curious for my own good, or have too much of a Socratic bent, but I kind of wonder why? It is the why that drives me ... why would One have need of a system of STS / STO. I examine the 'insanity' of the world through my two portholes and recognize great seas of turmoil. I also see and sometimes find myself in the eye of the hurricane of events arrayed through the channels of mass media. In a pragmatic world, it seems all these problems are simple (or able to be simplified). It is as if the illusion of space and time actually creates the problems.
i.e. if not bound by space and time, what of the worlds problems wouldn't be solvable?
i.e. if we all focused on the same problem(s), what of the worlds problems couldn't be solved?
i.e. if we all took note of the root problems and focused on them, what of the worlds problems couldn't be solved?
Perhaps I am of the Brotherhood of Sorrow, cause it *seems* *soooo* easy ... but it seems we fall so easily into the traps of authority. The mass media throws a new 'ism' or 'ist' into the mix and we all begin a sort of wave of energy by reading and parroting instead of thinking and questioning. Socialism/ist, Communism/ist, Racism/ist, Sexism/ist, Facism/ist, Terrorism/ist. Even here [STO/STS], another polarization. Hellooo I'll just say it:
1. Get rid of money.
2. Love yourself / others.
3. Do not judge yourself / others.
Oh no, a global commune ... then we'll be learning the same language (or telepathy) to communicate ... then we'll discover energy is free and abundant ... oh no ... then we could ... we could not need a corporate system to feed us and protect us ... ahhhhh!
On paper 2/3 would take care of 1, but I believe 1 (and surrounding systems) is the largest [elephant in the livingroom] catalyst generating polarization. But what is it for ... this polarization? To choose? Bah ... why?
In a finite world [all is one, but just ever-changing] polarization under a veil seems like a game to alleviate the boredom of omnipotence. Maybe I'll be the first one in line for a blue pill ... but not until I take the red one ... is there a green one?
There ... is that STS or STO? I don't know or care really ... cause in my heart I'd already be in the aforementioned commune having coffee and reading a book ... *gasp* ... but who'd write it ... hmmm ...
(03-10-2009, 06:42 PM)ubergud Wrote: [ -> ]Perhaps I am too curious for my own good, or have too much of a Socratic bent, but I kind of wonder why? It is the why that drives me ... why would One have need of a system of STS / STO. I examine the 'insanity' of the world through my two portholes and recognize great seas of turmoil. I also see and sometimes find myself in the eye of the hurricane of events arrayed through the channels of mass media. In a pragmatic world, it seems all these problems are simple (or able to be simplified). It is as if the illusion of space and time actually creates the problems.
i.e. if not bound by space and time, what of the worlds problems wouldn't be solvable?
i.e. if we all focused on the same problem(s), what of the worlds problems couldn't be solved?
i.e. if we all took note of the root problems and focused on them, what of the worlds problems couldn't be solved?
Perhaps I am of the Brotherhood of Sorrow, cause it *seems* *soooo* easy ... but it seems we fall so easily into the traps of authority. The mass media throws a new 'ism' or 'ist' into the mix and we all begin a sort of wave of energy by reading and parroting instead of thinking and questioning. Socialism/ist, Communism/ist, Racism/ist, Sexism/ist, Facism/ist, Terrorism/ist. Even here [STO/STS], another polarization. Hellooo I'll just say it:
1. Get rid of money.
2. Love yourself / others.
3. Do not judge yourself / others.
Oh no, a global commune ... then we'll be learning the same language (or telepathy) to communicate ... then we'll discover energy is free and abundant ... oh no ... then we could ... we could not need a corporate system to feed us and protect us ... ahhhhh!
On paper 2/3 would take care of 1, but I believe 1 (and surrounding systems) is the largest [elephant in the livingroom] catalyst generating polarization. But what is it for ... this polarization? To choose? Bah ... why?
In a finite world [all is one, but just ever-changing] polarization under a veil seems like a game to alleviate the boredom of omnipotence. Maybe I'll be the first one in line for a blue pill ... but not until I take the red one ... is there a green one?
There ... is that STS or STO? I don't know or care really ... cause in my heart I'd already be in the aforementioned commune having coffee and reading a book ... *gasp* ... but who'd write it ... hmmm ...
You forget one thing. The creator seeks to know itself. you are part of the creator. Therefore catalyst is necessary. Also, for #2 to happen, the whole population would have to be STO. I do hope your dream comes true! It is a dream of mine as well and many others I'm sure.
I would love for all to extend their open palms and greet their neighbors with Love. Love your neighbor all across the world in every home and in every neighborhood as if you were loving the creator within and throughout and around... This is my dream. For all to drop their isms and Hug each other.
fairyfarmgirl
(03-10-2009, 11:54 PM)fairyfarmgirl Wrote: [ -> ]I would love for all to extend their open palms and greet their neighbors with Love. Love your neighbor all across the world in every home and in every neighborhood as if you were loving the creator within and throughout and around... This is my dream. For all to drop their isms and Hug each other.
fairyfarmgirl
Well said, my friend.
(03-10-2009, 09:24 PM)peelstreetguy Wrote: [ -> ]You forget one thing. The creator seeks to know itself. you are part of the creator. Therefore catalyst is necessary. Also, for #2 to happen, the whole population would have to be STO. I do hope your dream comes true! It is a dream of mine as well and many others I'm sure.
Yeah, well perhaps I spend too much time outside the moment. Since, if Ra is correct, and time and space are illusions, #2 has already happened and I already have a mid-6th-density self who is metaphorically sipping a cup of coffee and reading a book. Maybe it's about us!
Peace and Joy!
Jason
(02-11-2009, 04:44 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: [ -> ]I remember the story recounted by Ra about the STO Wanderers who came here to help, but ended up forcing their ways on the unsuspecting populace, and ended up switching to STS. (I think maybe it was on Venus?)
Don asked how they felt when they awakened in 4D STS. Ra replied "They were disconcerted."
Goodness! Surely graduation to 4D STS demands more than forcing your opinions on others? I mean, doing so certainly is STS, as is believing you can help others in the first place, but to have achieved the necessary 95% from such? Even Hitler didn't achieve 95% STS...
Nice thread. Hope I'm not too late to the party. Had studied the Hidden Hand Oct '08 post right after it was finished. Was too late to get involved directly. From the tone of the responses, the use of specific words, and the telepathic speed of the answers. I gathered HH lives in Western Europe/Malta, is from a multi-generational 4th/5th density STS line, and is female. She admits to being the chosen spiritual one in her family, and is in constant communication with her master Lucifer. She presents herself, for the most part, honestly and with a bit of humor. But she was not being totally honest. And, she left subtle hints to this in a just few of her responses. Her immediate family is the unseen group that directs the Illuminati (Europe)/ NWO (USA) factions, which are doing their best to turn Earth into a negative 4th density planet. RA mentioned that about 10% of the local galaxy are STS, and 90% STO. Lucifer, btw, is in 6th density.
(03-12-2009, 10:16 PM)Metamorpheus Wrote: [ -> ] (02-11-2009, 04:44 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: [ -> ]I remember the story recounted by Ra about the STO Wanderers who came here to help, but ended up forcing their ways on the unsuspecting populace, and ended up switching to STS. (I think maybe it was on Venus?)
Don asked how they felt when they awakened in 4D STS. Ra replied "They were disconcerted."
Goodness! Surely graduation to 4D STS demands more than forcing your opinions on others? I mean, doing so certainly is STS, as is believing you can help others in the first place, but to have achieved the necessary 95% from such? Even Hitler didn't achieve 95% STS...
As for the Hidden Hand material, I believe that it is very impressive and I've recently finished writing a commentary on it for my upcoming website. An important thing we must realise is that whether the true elite are aware of it or not, they are assisting our development regardless. The question of their cognisance is actually irrelevant.
Regarding Hitler, you seem to accept Ra's assessment that didn't graduate to 4D STS. Please correct me if I am misunderstanding you, but you seem to be refuting Ra's assessment of the other entities in question. If so, then why do you accept Ra's assessment of Hitler's fate, but not Ra's assessment of 2 individuals who lived long ago, on another planet, and of whom we know virtually nothing?
Ra mentioned these people in passing, as an example...and only in a couple of sentences. Surely there is much more to their circumstances that we know nothing of. What we do know from Ra is that controlling others is decidedly an STS behavior and can dramatically affect polarity. We also know that the intention behind the controlling behavior can affect polarity. According to Ra, these unnamed persons, along with Hitler, all thought they were helping others. It was this intention that kept Hitler from being polarized enough to be harvestable to 4D STS.
Why, then, was the intention of those other 2 people not enough to keep them from graduating to 4D STS?
Evidently, there is more to the equation than just intention and behavior. Or, it may be that we just don't know the ratios of intention to behavior. But I doubt that those individuals were any more controlling than Hitler! If they had been, it seems that Ra might have mentioned it, as committing acts of genocide is no small thing! But no, Ra mentioned only that they forced their views on others. Therefore, it appears that Hitler was the more 'evil' among them, as far as the degree to which his acts were violent and heinous.
What, then, is the difference?
This is just speculation, but could it be because those 2 people were Wanderers, sent on a mission of Light, and, therefore, expected to know better? Whereas, Hitler was a 3D entity, polarizing for the very first time. We know that, in the higher densities, polarity can be switched relatively easily; ie., a negative 4D entity can switch to 4D positive upon realizing the Oneness of the UniVerse. It's a lateral move, as opposed to retracing one's steps all the way back thru the densities.
Hence, if it works in one direction, why not in the other?
Therefore, comparing those 2 unnamed people to Hitler is like comparing apples and oranges.
Regarding Hidden Hand and other negative elites, I agree that, in the long run, everything does eventually work for good. After all, isn't that the purpose of catalyst, and therefore the STS path itself, in the first place?
However, part of the challenge to responding to catalyst lies in recognizing its polarity, and making our choice as to what we will resonate with. The fact that all will be harmonized in the higher densities does not negate our task in 3D (Density of Choice), which is to choose STS or STO.
Hence, I think it's important to choose carefully that which we accept as guiding principles. The challenge, and perhaps even danger, of deeply exploring STS sources of info, is that they often have mixed polarity messages, and we don't always distinguish them.
(04-18-2009, 01:57 AM)gharghur Wrote: [ -> ]Nice thread. Hope I'm not too late to the party. Had studied the Hidden Hand Oct '08 post right after it was finished. Was too late to get involved directly. From the tone of the responses, the use of specific words, and the telepathic speed of the answers. I gathered HH lives in Western Europe/Malta, is from a multi-generational 4th/5th density STS line, and is female. She admits to being the chosen spiritual one in her family, and is in constant communication with her master Lucifer. She presents herself, for the most part, honestly and with a bit of humor. But she was not being totally honest. And, she left subtle hints to this in a just few of her responses. Her immediate family is the unseen group that directs the Illuminati (Europe)/ NWO (USA) factions, which are doing their best to turn Earth into a negative 4th density planet. RA mentioned that about 10% of the local galaxy are STS, and 90% STO. Lucifer, btw, is in 6th density.
I question how much of that is really true, and how much of it is embellishment by HH. I've heard lots of people, including many channels, have fantastical stories about the power elite, their sources, aliens, etc. and there is simply no way to validate most of it. Common sense must prevail. Already, when attempts at validation are made with the Law of One as our foundation, we see that much of what HH claims can't be true! For example, the part about Lucifer. Since 6D is past polarity, then Lucifer cannot be the 'master' of a negative entity.
Whenever I hear of anyone using archaic ideas of religious myths as though true, I conclude that they have mixed in a lot of their religious upbringing, given it a New Age twist, and ended up with quite a story. (In Christianity, Lucifer is the bad guy, and HH seems to refer to Lucifer in this context, as though that were fact, instead of a mythological idea.)
(04-19-2009, 04:20 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: [ -> ] (03-12-2009, 10:16 PM)Metamorpheus Wrote: [ -> ][quote='Bring4th_Monica' pid='1232' dateline='1234341873']
Regarding Hidden Hand and other negative elites, I agree that, in the long run, everything does eventually work for good. After all, isn't that the purpose of catalyst, and therefore the STS path itself, in the first place?
However, part of the challenge to responding to catalyst lies in recognizing its polarity, and making our choice as to what we will resonate with. The fact that all will be harmonized in the higher densities does not negate our task in 3D (Density of Choice), which is to choose STS or STO.
Hence, I think it's important to choose carefully that which we accept as guiding principles. The challenge, and perhaps even danger, of deeply exploring STS sources of info, is that they often have mixed polarity messages, and we don't always distinguish them.
I question how much of that is really true, and how much of it is embellishment by HH. I've heard lots of people, including many channels, have fantastical stories about the power elite, their sources, aliens, etc. and there is simply no way to validate most of it. Common sense must prevail. Already, when attempts at validation are made with the Law of One as our foundation, we see that much of what HH claims can't be true! For example, the part about Lucifer. Since 6D is past polarity, then Lucifer cannot be the 'master' of a negative entity.
Whenever I hear of anyone using archaic ideas of religious myths as though true, I conclude that they have mixed in a lot of their religious upbringing, given it a New Age twist, and ended up with quite a story. (In Christianity, Lucifer is the bad guy, and HH seems to refer to Lucifer in this context, as though that were fact, instead of a mythological idea.)
Everything will eventually lead to the balancing of opposing forces. All paradoxes resolved.
Agree, this is the density of choice, of free will, but of confusion as well. The purpose, firstly, is to recognize that there is a choice, and then secondly, to make one and then truly live that choice. Many never even make it to the first step because they are unaware, and even impeded from recognizing, that a choice is to be made. This is not a catalyst, it's an STS detour into their maze. The catalyst arrives when one recognizes that much of what they were programmed to believe was indeed misinformation. And even then, only after great personal effort are the layers of the lie revealed.
HH was very good at mixing negative messages with a positive twist. Much more so than our politicians. It takes some discernment to understand which is which, and what is truth and fiction. Certainly, this type of work is not recommended unless they have some experience in dealing with a truly 95% STS entity.
Much of what HH presented fit with my understanding of what is transpiring. In fact, she opened up some avenues of further investigation which led to further discoveries. In regard to Lucifer. Ra is not an individual, it is the sound vibration of a STO social memory complex. Polarity still exists in early 6th density. Lucifer is a STS social memory complex. Suggest applying discernment before discarding mythology as purely myth. 75,000 years is a very long time, and most of it has been lost or hidden, except for the last 5,000 years, which is in itself a biased history.
Ra mentions the Sons of Lucifer when referring to the Orion STS entities within the etheral planes of this planet. Ra refers to this from time to time, but refuses to expand upon it as to not interfere. But there is much more said between the lines than within Ra's compliant words. They are here, they are in control, and they are impeding the spiritual progress of billions. And they will be exposed!
Namaste
(04-19-2009, 07:35 PM)gharghur Wrote: [ -> ]Agree, this is the density of choice, of free will, but of confusion as well. The purpose, firstly, is to recognize that there is a choice, and then secondly, to make one and then truly live that choice.
According to the Law of One, the very reason that there is confusion is so that we can make our choice from within the veil of illusion. The choice would mean nothing if we made it with full knowledge of what we are choosing.
Respectfully, I disagree that the first purpose to to recognize that there is a choice. The vast majority of the population never even realizes consciously that they are making a choice, yet they do indeed make that choice!
The requirement for Harvestability is LOVE, not awareness of how the game is played.
Love is measured by vibration, not by knowledge.
Therefore, conscious knowledge of having made a choice is not relevant for graduation.
(04-19-2009, 07:35 PM)gharghur Wrote: [ -> ]Many never even make it to the first step because they are unaware, and even impeded from recognizing, that a choice is to be made.
Exactly the point I just made. However, I think we have different conclusions about the significance of that lack of awareness. Are you saying that those who don't consciously realize that there is a choice do not progress?
(04-19-2009, 07:35 PM)gharghur Wrote: [ -> ]This is not a catalyst, it's an STS detour into their maze. The catalyst arrives when one recognizes that much of what they were programmed to believe was indeed misinformation. And even then, only after great personal effort are the layers of the lie revealed.
Again I respectfully disagree. As I understand it, the very purpose of the STS path itself is to provide catalyst. We all provide catalyst for one another. By having to deal with STS energies, we are made profoundly aware of that which we may or may not choose. If there were no STS energies to deal with, what would ever trigger the need for love? If there were never any transgressions made against us, how would we ever have occasion to forgive? If we had no occasions to learn forgiveness, how would we polarize?
I agree that there is a great deal of misinformation out there. However, there is also a great deal of valid information. We all have the ability to seek and to find. I truly believe that we each find that which we truly seek. For we are indeed holographic beings!
For example, a person whose mind is already made up that there is no such thing as aliens, will turn a blind eye to any evidence to the contrary. Conversely, someone which a predisposition towards a belief in aliens totally controlling the planet will find evidence to support such a belief.
I have experienced in my own life how, when I have changed my beliefs from the inside, because of a change in my choice of life/love/hope/peace instead of fear/discord/separation, my outer circumstances tend to accommodate my new worldview. I suspect that there will be no end to the layers of the proverbial onion for those who are intent upon digging as deep as they can go.
I don't mean to belittle the reality of the bad guys. I definitely believe they exist, and they have a great deal of power in certain domains. But, I also have a great deal of faith in the good guys! And the good guys (Q'uo et al) say that the bad buys failed in their coup attempt, and Earth is scheduled to stay on track in rejoining the planned time lateral. Meanwhile, the very lies/misinformation you are referring to, are in themselves what is distracting many people from living their lives in love/joy/hope/peace. In other words, I invite you to consider the possibility that believing that the lies are so widespread and that the bad guys have so much power, is itself a layer of lies, to be recognized and discarded in favor of choosing to hope for a bright and sunny future.
(04-19-2009, 07:35 PM)gharghur Wrote: [ -> ]HH was very good at mixing negative messages with a positive twist. Much more so than our politicians. It takes some discernment to understand which is which, and what is truth and fiction. Certainly, this type of work is not recommended unless they have some experience in dealing with a truly 95% STS entity.
If that is the case about HH, then I am curious why an STO person would even want to 'work' with a 'truly 95% STS entity.'
(04-19-2009, 07:35 PM)gharghur Wrote: [ -> ]Much of what HH presented fit with my understanding of what is transpiring. In fact, she opened up some avenues of further investigation which led to further discoveries. In regard to Lucifer. Ra is not an individual, it is the sound vibration of a STO social memory complex. Polarity still exists in early 6th density. Lucifer is a STS social memory complex. Suggest applying discernment before discarding mythology as purely myth. 75,000 years is a very long time, and most of it has been lost or hidden, except for the last 5,000 years, which is in itself a biased history.
I apologize for not making my previous point about myths clear! I did not intend to belittle the value of myths at all. What I meant was that I have seen many channeled sources refer to mythological characters in the context of ancient myths, as though those ancient myths were literally true. In contrast, one of the many things that impressed me about the Confederation material is its ability to rise above cultural, religious, or mythological delineations, and convey the essence of what the religion or myth represents on an archetypal level.
For example, if I read some channeled work that speaks of the Garden of Eden as having existed literally, complete with the talking snake, then I will suspect that the channel is still rather deeply embedded in their religion. This doesn't mean that the material has no value! For example, I found the Cayce readings to have much value, despite their strong religious flavor. But the Cayce readings rose above the constraints of the mainstream Christian religion, to the degree that many mainstream Christians now consider Cayce satanic!
Perhaps I was too hasty in my assessment of HH. I have read only a bit of the HH work, and was basing my comments largely on the comments of others. My perception from those comments was that HH was a negative entity in service to her master, the Big Guy himself, the DEVIL, the biblical depiction of Lucifer. Again I apologize if my perception was off-base. I'm not a student of HH, so I evidently made an erroneous assumption; I didn't know she meant the SMC Lucifer.
77.17 Questioner: Would it be possible for this work of our density to be performed if all of the sub-Logoi chose the same polarity in any particular expression or evolution of a Logos? Let us make the assumption that our sun created nothing but, through the first distortion, positive polarity. There was no product except positive polarity. Would work then be done in fourth density and higher as a function of only the positive polarization evolving from the original creation of our sub-Logos?
Ra: I am Ra. Elements of this query illustrate the reason I was unable to answer your previous question without knowledge of the Logos involved. To turn to your question, there were Logoi which chose to set the plan for the activation of mind/body/spirit complexes through each true color body without recourse to the prior application of free will. It is, to our knowledge, only in an absence of free will that the conditions of which you speak obtain. In such a procession of densities you find an extraordinarily long, as you measure time, third-density; likewise, fourth density. Then, as the entities begin to see the Creator, there is a very rapid, as you measure time, procession towards the eighth density. This is due to the fact that one who knows not, cares not.
Let us illustrate by observing the relative harmony and unchanging quality of existence in one of your, as you call it, primitive tribes. The entities have the concepts of lawful and taboo, but the law is inexorable and all events occur as predestined. There is no concept of right and wrong, good or bad. It is a culture in monochrome. In this context you may see the one you call Lucifer as the true light-bringer in that the knowledge of good and evil both precipitated the mind/body/spirits of this Logos from the Edenic conditions of constant contentment and also provided the impetus to move, to work and to learn.
Those Logoi whose creations have been set up without free will have not, in the feeling of those Logoi, given the Creator the quality and variety of experience of Itself as have those Logoi which have incorporated free will as paramount. Thusly you find those Logoi moving through the timeless states at what you would see as a later space/time to choose the free will character when elucidating the foundations of each Logos.
(04-19-2009, 07:35 PM)gharghur Wrote: [ -> ]Ra mentions the Sons of Lucifer when referring to the Orion STS entities within the etheral planes of this planet. Ra refers to this from time to time, but refuses to expand upon it as to not interfere. But there is much more said between the lines than within Ra's compliant words. They are here, they are in control, and they are impeding the spiritual progress of billions. And they will be exposed!
Namaste
Where have you seen Ra referring to the 'Sons of Lucifer?' I don't remember that from the books, and I just did a search on the searchable database and found nothing about that. Can you share with us the quotes you are referring to?
And, why do you think they are in control and impeding the spiritual progress of billions? That doesn't jive with the latest readings from Q'uo, so I'm wondering whether you might be referring to some other source. If that's the case, then this forum is not the place to discuss that. But, if you can show us where Confederation sources have indicated such complete STS control of our planet, I would be very interested, as I have not seen that.
Hi again Monica,
Many points to address, and I certainly do not have all the answers, only perceptions.
The veil is to impede the remembering of previous life experiences and seemingly to help start anew. The goals and the catalysts to achieve them, are set before this life experience begins. Children are generally born with the positive bias of this sector. Mainstream society teaches division, competition, and the lust for power, wealth, and the worlds toys. Most children are neutralized by time they are in their teens. As the pre-planned catalysts for learning arrive, we either learn from them or they continue to reoccur. This is a choice. When we become adults and are no longer under the direct influence of our parents, then we have to make serious choices. Those that are naturally loving, or naturally hateful, have carried that over from previous lifetimes. Most are swayed by society and become partly positive, partly negative and but mostly neutral. They go with the flow. We must somehow overcome all this confusion, and become mostly positive or nearly totally negative to graduate. This takes a conscious effort. Some, as you point out, may not even know that there is a choice, and don't make one. Ra, and other SMCs have come to earth from time to time to teach/learn. Why make this effort if it was not to teach the Law of One in third density terms? That a choice is to be made here in this density. This knowledge is known, and its withholding is not part of the veil, it's part of the STS consciousness. Love, of course, is the vibration that leads to 4th density. That leads out of this illusion of confusion. Shouldn't third density beings be taught that, when it is already known by some on this planet?
Existence on Earth is a very difficult planetary illiusion to overcome. Teaching truth would help.
Progress can be achieved without knowing there is a choice. But it certainly helps when one knows there is a choice to be made. Many want something true to believe in. Especially when their lifelong goals are reached and they still find themselves lacking. Or, when they just give up on their dreams and quit trying.
There is love and there is hate whether or not STS 95% negatives are controlling a third density planet or not. We do not need them for catalyst. The catalysts are already pre-planned. We are catalysts for each other, just as you mentioned. Negativity is always present to differentiate from positivity. Children die, people die young, diseases, weather related catastrophes, mental disorders, etc. Those newly entering third density are catalyst enough. I think our disagreement is one of a relative nature. It is true that negativity needs to exist for polarization. But negativity need not control the entire planet for that to occur.
We believe what we perceive. We then naturally create events to reaffirm our perception. We are that powerful. I state that from experience, both good and bad. When one is settled within themself, and knowing that nothing separates them from the Creator. They can put on the shoes of the Emperor and observe, without bias, without fear, the world around them. There is only a handful of purely STS beings here, compared to the masses. The rest are their minions that are duped into believing that they will be spared, or those that lust for wealth and power. Their influence over some societies is great. But they are always in discord, as they are always struggling with each other for more power. It's a pecking order. When we experience a random positive in event in the near future. For which they can not prepare. The 95's will be neutralized, and their minions will enter a state of confusion. Then all their plans and suppressive motives will be exposed. That's what I believe will occur. That's my perception. A random positive event before 11:11.
Agree, especially about the talking snake. Studied Cayce about 6-7 years ago. Much of his work was from his tapping into Universal knowledge and positive. Later in life a higher density negative entity found an opening in his free will and then influenced him, without his knowledge. Yes, I recall those monochrome entities. In the early stages of spiritual evolution everything started with the Significator. There was no choice, free will, nor need to veil anything. This was a slow process. We start we the Matrix now.
I will look for that quote...
The STS control is not from any source. It's from observations of historical and current events. They do not affect all, for some have seen through them. But they still affect quite a lot. The majority in the US for certain.
Namaste
as someone said earlier
"To ascend one needs only to love"
Positive love, as the positive pole of a magnet, gives.
Negative love, as the negative pole of a magnet, accepts.
Through giving or accepting one may ascend.
I am an accepter, my most recent human incarnation was that of a pirate,
living and accepting the freaks and rejects of society,
oh with wisdom and magic I bathed my crew,
indeed I actually did ascend in that lifetime since I reincarnated as a gray alien.
I've come back to help we with you ascend.
Have been keen on starting a religious movement of sorts.
May you ascend as well.
Through giving or acceptance.
It's all good.
As a pirate I would say "ts al gyd".
So I guess that means I was/am an STS wanderer.
If you deem me accepting people no matter their history negative,
well you are correct.
Hi Lowki,
My take on Love is that there are givers STO, and takers STS. Those that accept what is given are also STOs. We call it sharing. Those that get by any means possible are not sharing. They are taking. Your pirate incarnation is a good example.
Religions also end up as STS control mechanisms. When history or philosophy is re-written it is often to benefit the few. The STS often use deceptive means to gain whatever they are after. Sugar coating their purpose is a common method of deception. We see it nearly everyday in our so called democratic government and so called free market banking system.
Whether STS or STO, we all have a purpose within the Creation. We are One.
Namaste