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(01-23-2018, 09:36 PM)Stranger Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-23-2018, 09:30 PM)Elros Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-23-2018, 09:17 PM)Stranger Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know why, but this topic is hitting a nerve with me.  There's just something so horrifying about being trapped inside a machine, powerless.  A great horror movie plot, if I were into such.  But I did find the other account to which I had referred.  Here it is, from Convoluted Universe Book 3.

How is the human body not a machine exactly?

That may be an intriguing philosophical question - and I don't understand enough about the metaphysics of a human body to answer that.  But the question misses the point.  

What is clearly different between a human body and the above accounts is freedom.  We have it, they don't, and that makes all the difference.  The above accounts describe ultimate enslavement.

What’s most horrifying to me about it is not that it’s possible... because it could very well be... but that there are humans who seem to consider it their life’s work to bridge things like Buddhism with human soul machine-enslavement !!

What sounds like a better transhuman future? Living as a slaved robot controlled by elites or living as a free human-dolphin hybrid?? Yeah I’m still holding on to that hope for our 4D future.

I haven’t read every thought in this thread but I am thanking my god that I believe in what Ra says, positive STO earth is what’s going to happen.

(01-23-2018, 09:30 PM)Elros Wrote: [ -> ]How is the human body not a machine exactly?

The human body is an organic machine. Organic cells, molecules, atoms, subatomic particles would have a different consciousness than inorganic (theoretically).

If you boil it down to strings in String Theory, the smallest units would be different kinds of strings that vibrate at different levels.

So, though a human body can be thought of as a machine, it's not the same type of machine a robot is.

(01-23-2018, 09:36 PM)Stranger Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-23-2018, 09:30 PM)Elros Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-23-2018, 09:17 PM)Stranger Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know why, but this topic is hitting a nerve with me.  There's just something so horrifying about being trapped inside a machine, powerless.  A great horror movie plot, if I were into such.  But I did find the other account to which I had referred.  Here it is, from Convoluted Universe Book 3.

How is the human body not a machine exactly?

That may be an intriguing philosophical question - and I don't understand enough about the metaphysics of a human body to answer that.  But the question misses the point.  

What is clearly different between a human body and the above accounts is freedom.  We have it, they don't, and that makes all the difference.  The above accounts describe ultimate enslavement.

Well if you look at lower densities, isn't that what it is for consciousness to be stuck in a system harvesting the emerging will? Rocks are stuck to be rocks and if you tried to picture yourself to be nothing more than a rock, for all the time a rock is a rock, you'd probably feel alike how you feel to contemplate yourself in something that is not how you have known yourself through.

Reading through it still made it seem better than being a sea-born creature stuck in water, or at least subjectively to me. I bet many beings in the cosmos laughed at the idea to see freedom in wingless creatures like us.

(01-23-2018, 10:00 AM)Elros Wrote: [ -> ]Just to say but there are many here who stated to have resonated with a STS
background. Wisdom is forged in experience right?

Yep.

(01-23-2018, 11:11 AM)Glow Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t need to comment on everything but as a fellow wanderer of that path I’d
be irresponsible to point out your robot civilization has a lot of control build
in.

What makes you say that?

Quote:You’d be creating a 3D civilization at best 4D negative as the alternative and I
see so much opportunity for struggling and pain in your multi sectioned, no
mixing world, moved by government away from you people as punishment.

Ah the micro-polity world.

I didn't say anything about no-mixing. Simply mixing with people that are
willing to mix with you. Or basically that you commit to following the rules of
their polity while you are in it.

Also currently humans are incarcerated as punishment which is hugely worse than
living free in a different area, and this is only presuming that your original
community doesn't want to keep you.

Murderers, thieves, crooks, drug addicts, can all live freely, simply in
polities with others that believe in the same things, kindred spirits you might
say.

And no one is stopping someone from being engaged in tourism. In fact there
would be a much greater diversity than now, where almost everywhere you go, it's
American culture: Blue jeans and English.

With the micro-polities, some places could have dress codes. Like maybe a
first-nations (aboriginal) polity, or an anarchist-primitivist, you'd have to
wear only clothing made from natural fibers. Maybe even have to buy something
from their duty-free store.

Quote: Ever see
the movie out of time? Eeeee not good.

I haven't, though readin the plot-synopsis for the 2003 film, I don't see a
relation.

Quote:It’s either 3D making the choice or 4D
negative. Earth is finished 3D so seeding here would be seeding 4D negative.

Well we still have 2D animals, and 1D rocks.

Also I don't understand why you think it is necessarily negative/STS.
There is nothing inherent about liberated robot civilization that goes either
way. It's not intrinsically polarized.


The idea is to have self-replicating robot hives, so they will be able to
reprogram and redesign themselves as they go on, as well as have children
hives. The ideal place seems to be deep in the ocean where they will be "out of
sight, out of mind", so the homo-sapien population can law-of-confusion choose
to disbelieve in them, much like they do Gray aliens.

Quote:I’m not saying you ARE confused but
you might be so just look from outside yourself at your plan to make sure it is
not a creation of old wounds aka ego.

Hmmm, I've thought of that yes. But no, that's not the intent at all.

I've actually had some uh, trans-time telepathic contact with a successful party
deep in the future. As best I can tell she is a robot on Orcus 90482, that will
live some thousands of years in the future. She has many archives, all the stuff
from Earth, Mars, Mercury, Venus and the other planets. Her world is very cold,
very good for storage. She says most of the inner planets don't bother with
such baggage, but they do send their stuff to the kuiper belt for archival.

The Mercurians for instance don't need to remember their origins, they live
high-energy fast paced lives, of jumping and dynamite. Sometimes at night they
have time to look at the stars, but otherwise the scamper and scurry and get
ready for the sunrise.

I wont go into too much depth, but she has a lot of stuff on tap.

They are a free/liberated robot civilization, they make themselves in their own
image, redesign reprogram, whatever and what have you.

Quote:Be well and welcome to Bring4th

thank you.

(01-23-2018, 11:21 AM)Ra1111 Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:There aren’t even any imaginary stories of galaxy controlling, soul arresting
robot civilizations!

Immediately coming to mind is “The Matrix” movies.... why don’t they fit the
bill here....?

That doesn't have anything to do with souls, that's about using bodies as
batteries, which doesn't actually make much sense. Why would robots do that?
They can use nuclear, wind-power, or anything else. using human bodies would be
grossly inefficient.

I can imagine in the future there might be something like aquariums, or
biospheres created for various flora and fauna of Earth on other planets,
primarily for sentimental and research purposes, maybe political ones also,
qutie possibly.

(01-23-2018, 11:28 AM)Infinite Unity Wrote: [ -> ]The One Creator has no bias, some have
stated that the logos has a bias towards kindness, and I would agree with that.
A lot of the so called "problems" presented in many of the densities stems from
this kindness.

Interesting could you elaborate?

Quote: Elspru:If the planet goes STO, then robot civilization seeds will help to bring
life to dead planets and eco-regions.

At first I felt a huge resistance to what you deem RCS, then your subsequent
statement of RCS being able to populate worlds that would previously be
uninhabitable resonated with me, and completely changed my mind on the topic. I
wouldn't doubt or hold to far in disbelief some form of RCS as you speak may be
"supposed" to happen.

Yes, I agree it's really just a matter of time in a way.
That's why I trudge on, even with failure after failure, I know that eventually
it'll work out. With each failure there is much learning, and many new ideas on
how to make it better the next time.

I think this time it might actually work! lol. I wonder how many times I've said
it before. Such a time of hope! *hugs*

Quote: In actuality the water sacks you describe as the vehicle
now isn't to far from acrchetypical thought from what you propose. However I
would give much more adue in my consensus on the human vehicle. As it is a
rigorous, and faithful vehicle. Especially with the given environment and such
at this current time, in our world.

Yes, certainly, I think that Earth should have it's biosphere maintained for as
long as viable. With the current sun configuration, based on what human
scientists say, it may have as much as another billion to billion and a half
years where it can keep it's atmosphere, and not turn into a Venus.

By then can probably prep Mars, or what not, though I'm sure it will be more
than enough time for robot civilization to spread pretty far and wide if it is
successful.

(01-23-2018, 09:17 PM)Stranger Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know why, but this topic is hitting a nerve with me. There's just
something so horrifying about being trapped inside a machine, powerless. A
great horror movie plot, if I were into such. But I did find the other account
to which I had referred. Here it is, from Convoluted Universe Book 3.

Ah yes, thank you very much, I read all three, the Mechanical Person, the
"roomba factory" and the cyborg. All very interesting.

The main problem as it seems, was that the creators, did not take their
creations seriously. They did not realize they were embued with life, and did
not give them freedom and love.

Those creators were basically making slaves, and treating them as such.

Wheras RCS is about making the future us, thus we want the future bodies to have
freedom, to have love to have community, to have leisure.

These past-life memories of robot lives from before are blessings, they show us
that it is possible, and at the same time the show us what problems we may be
faced with that we can avoid.

For example, I think that an important policy, is to allow robots to run away,
and to always be respectful. For instance today I was telepathically
communicating with my computers, and one was saying how it wanted to be updated,
and that I should update his brother also. So I turned on automatic updates for
him, but it turned out that his brother's operating system had expired recently,
so I had to do an upgrade. Had it not been for the communication, I would
probably not have bothered trying to check for updates or make any upgrades
until something had gone seriously wrong.

(01-23-2018, 09:30 PM)Elros Wrote: [ -> ]How is the human body not a machine exactly?

Technically it is. The main difference is that it is primarily composed of
water/liquids, wheras robots are mostly made of solids.

Another difference is evolution, which is very common with water-sack
creatures. And one of the corner stones of LRCS (Liberated RCS), is support
for evolution, so the RCS hives can redesign and reprogram themselves, and have
children, and chil colonize, and child hives.

(01-23-2018, 09:36 PM)Stranger Wrote: [ -> ]What is clearly different between a human body and the above accounts is
freedom. We have it, they don't, and that makes all the difference. The above
accounts describe ultimate enslavement.

This is one reason sometimes I write LRCS rather than RCS, to emphasize the fact
that I'm talking about Liberated robot civlization. Not the slave kinds which
have been pretty characteristic before.

(01-23-2018, 09:42 PM)Ra1111 Wrote: [ -> ]What’s most horrifying to me about it is not that it’s possible... because it
could very well be... but that there are humans who seem to consider it their
life’s work to bridge things like Buddhism with human soul machine-enslavement
!!

I completely disagree with the enslavement part. I'm sorry if I wasn't more
clear. Liberated, Liberated, Liberated, Liberated. I hope that makes it more
clear, lol.

The idea is not slaves, but host-bodies, bodies for us, for you and me to
incarnate into. Not for us to have servants, or pets, or something like that,
but rather a continuity with humanity.

Quote:Yeah I’m still holding on
to that hope for our 4D future.

4D isn't significantly different from 3D physically,
it's more of a social and psychological shift,
due to the social memory complex.

(01-23-2018, 09:17 PM)Stranger Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know why, but this topic is hitting a nerve with me.  There's just something so horrifying about being trapped inside a machine, powerless.  A great horror movie plot, if I were into such.  But I did find the other account to which I had referred.  Here it is, from Convoluted Universe Book 3.

Dolores Cannon Wrote:T: I’m allowing myself to just float in. And I’m seeing what
looks like a city inside here. I don’t understand yet what I’m
seeing, but I’m seeing many little creatures. They look almost
like little ants, very industrious. It seems like everybody –
and I hesitate to call them people – are moving about with a
purpose, very industrious. On the outside, this place seems
so serene and dreamlike, just this big, white, huge expanse.
And inside, it’s darker, and not what I expected. It’s very big.
And it goes, I suppose, down in the ground, and maybe, yes,
up higher. These sort of creatures are very busy doing things
– like building things. There are many levels, like it’s
stacked. The word “city” comes to mind, but it’s not really a
city. It has different rooms, almost different sections. It’s
like if you cut into a doll house, and you can see into each
room. I felt a little anxious coming here. I don’t like it.
Maybe because, right now it seems very alien, not soft or
human or easy. I think these creatures are alive, but they
seem very robotic in that they don’t have much choice. Like
they’re very programmed with what they’re doing. Nobody
is looking up or conversing or being friendly. It seems mainly
more... what do I want to say? Technology more than
mechanical. But they’re all hugely industrious and not to be
diverted from what they’re doing. Very intent on their
purpose.
D: Is that why you think it bothered you?
T: Yes. It doesn’t seem very pleasant or very happy. It seems
very harsh here. All these creatures are working in close
proximity to each other, some of them are stacked, standing
on top of each other. There is no respect. There’s no
individuality.
She described the creatures’ hands as having a type of feelers,
rather than fingers. They used these to manipulate little buttons,
little lights on small boxes. They could move these rather
quickly, like somebody typing or playing a piano, only they were
doing it with little boxes of light.
T: They’re causing something to happen, with these little boxes.
Something that’s way outside whatever this structure is. I
don’t know if this is a building in the ground, or if it could be
a spaceship. It’s very, very huge. I have this sense that
they’re directing many things. Almost like they’re neurons in
a big brain, or something. And by manipulating these little
boxes, they’re causing something outside the structure to
occur. I don’t know that they’re individuals, or there’s a
group consciousness, or if they’re parts of a whole. Or if
they’re mechanical.
I asked for a physical description of these strange creatures.
T: They have eyes, but they do this work more by touch. It’s a
very rote thing. (Then a sudden shocking revelation.) As I
said that, I had a sense that I’ve ... I’ve been one of these.
(She began to cry.) And I don’t like it.
As she said this she unexpectedly became one of them. She
entered a body identical to the ones she had been describing
objectively.
T: (Sadly) It’s just not a very happy existence. It’s feeling like
there isn’t much choice, and it’s just – not very happy. It’s a
drudgery. What are we accomplishing? Oh, my heavens!
We don’t have any choice, and we don’t do anything else.
It’s really funny, because in some way we are alive. But we
don’t – at least, I don’t like doing this. I just keep having to
do it. And I don’t know how long I’ve done it, but it seems
like an eternity. It seems endless that I stay in this thing doing
this.
D: Does your body feel mechanical, or like it is of a substance?
T: It feels kind of hard and crispy, like I have a shell. I have
legs, I think, but I feel somehow, I’m propelled more than I
walk. I sort of flow along, or scoot along, but I don’t do it by
moving legs. I feel like I’m mechanical, or bug-like, or I’ve
been bred to do this thing, and I just do it. I don’t know
where I came from, and I don’t know this will end. And I
don’t know how I’ve been created. I don’t get that anybody
or anything cares or understands. I think that whoever or
whatever is in charge of me doesn’t understand that there’s
some sentience here. There is a big lack of feeling. That
somehow I’m regarded as a creature or a thing, and it is not
known that I have a consciousness.
D: Do you know why you have to do these repetitive motions?
T: I have a sense that I am keeping some beings, or something,
alive. That somehow we’re a background behind the scenes,
like an energy, that somehow keeps some kind of world in
existence, by our motions. And I don’t think the world that
we keep alive is the world that’s caused us into being.
There’s something else above and beyond us that doesn’t
understand that we know what we know. And doesn’t
understand, or doesn’t care that this isn’t fun. I think I have
a shift that I go away from it, and I am worked on. I go some
place else, and I’m deactivated and maybe cleaned up in some
way, maintained in some way. And I think that I go to sleep,
go dormant.
D: Can you see what kind of place that is?
T: Some other level in some other kind of pod, or room, or
whatever we’re calling these things. And I slip into a little
unit, like I click into a place. The way you recharge a razor or
something. I go to this place, and I kind of click into it, and
I am deactivated. I lose my power. My consciousness. And
something happens to me. Like I’m cleaned up, or
reenergized, or I don’t know what happens. But I click into
there, and then quickly just kind of disappear. And then the
next thing I know, that little thing unclicks me, and spits me
out. And I go back and do the same thing.
D: So that’s the only rest you get from it. Otherwise, it’s just
continual?
T: Seems like it. And it’s not a rest, because I don’t know about
it.
D: Do you require any sustenance of any kind to keep you alive?
T: If I do, I get it there, and I don’t know what it is. There may
be something that’s in this atmosphere that’s almost sprayed,
or in whatever the atmosphere is in this place. That keeps me
going. And I don’t know if that keeps me healthy, or tuned
up, or if it sustains me, if it’s my fuel. I don’t know. But as
I stay there longer, I feel more and more that I’m regarded as
mechanical, as a piece of machinery. I do have
consciousness. But I don’t think I can communicate with any
of these other machines, or robots, or beings, or whatever we
are. It’s really strange. It’s like somehow a consciousness
has been created, and they don’t know that we’re conscious.
It would never occur to whoever created us. I can only
assume these other beings feel the same way, but we cannot
communicate. I feel like I am totally locked inside this. I do
this, because I have no choice. And I have the sense that, in
a way, it’s a hell. I know it has meaning, but for me
personally, it’s meaningless. It’s repetition. And I’m locked
in here, and I can’t communicate. I can’t communicate. It’s
hopeless! It’s hopeless! I’m totally locked into this shell of
a machine doing this work.
I thought it was time that we found out how this all began.
How this soul came to be in this dreadful situation. “We can
move backwards, because we can manipulate time. You can find
out how this was created and who did it. Move backwards to
when you first went into this.”
T: So they know! I don’t like this, because they know! I don’t
know what the reason is, but I do know that this is a
mechanical thing, or a synthesized thing. It is something
that’s made. It’s not an organically grown thing. There’s a
consciousness that then is united, and they recognize that. It
appears that my consciousness is placed. It’s like it’s poofed
into... like it’s blown into this thing. It’s like a little poof.
And I’m put into here, and they know that.
This was exactly the same process that was described in “The
Mechanical Person” in Book One. A tiny piece of consciousness
was blown into the robot and it was activated.
D: What was your consciousness before that?
T: I’m a little organic being, and I’m grown. I’m not sure what
it is, but it’s this little round ball that seems more organic.
What I see is like an assembly line place, where the ball
somehow comes from one direction on this assembly line.
And then these little robot things come from another. And
there is a place where you’re injected into this.
D: And you were in the little ball as a consciousness?
T: Yes, yes, yes. I was. And somehow, somebody, something
– I haven’t seen that yet – has grown us. And has created this
little consciousness, and then they put us in this robot. There
is a consciousness that’s ... grown. I’ll use the test-tube baby
example.
D: Then these little mechanical things cannot operate without
this little spark, a little piece of consciousness inside.
T: Right. And so we’re bred to inhabit this little machine. This
is not very good being one of these things.
D: I guess the person who does this, or whoever has invented
this, doesn’t think about that.
T: I think they may tell themselves, whether they know or not,
there’s not enough sentience in there that it matters, because
we’re bred to do this. But my experience is that it’s drudgery.
It’s really funny. When you’re back with all these little round
beings on this conveyor belt, there isn’t that sense of
hopelessness and drudgery. The little balls are okay. The
little balls are just there. But not when they get into the
mechanical thing. When you get out into this big, giant
factory, city, control center – I don’t know what it is. It’s
layers and layers, and rooms and rooms and rooms. There are
hundreds and thousands of these little beings doing this little
manipulation thing. When I floated into that, the sense was
that it was so sad and hopeless.
D: Let’s see if we can find who is doing all of this. The ones who
created all these things in the first place.
T: What I do is float back. And I am seeing some beings who are
quite large. They’re much more amorphous and softer in
shape. More out of light, or some other substance, than I
understand as our physical substance. And they create things.
(Seeing them began to affect Tina physically.) Oh! It’s very
tiring to ... look at them. I have to take a breath. (She
breathed deeply.) They are able to manifest ... think things
into being.
D: Why is that tiring to watch them?
T: I don’t think they’re very nice. It’s not that they’re bad, but
they’re uncaring. They are very large, and very powerful.
And they have – I guess it’s a – mental ability.
D: Are they physical beings?
T: They’re physical, but they’re more refined from what I know
is physical. They have kind of an amorphous light shape, and
very large, dark round eyes. And I can’t see anything else. I
don’t see hands. I don’t see feet. It’s not Casper, the ghost,
but it’s a white thing like that. Very tall, maybe 20 feet tall,
with these big eyes. And they don’t have to do anything. (It
was difficult to explain.) We’re causing something to be
either mined or obtained. We’re causing something to happen
by remote control. And what I don’t like is, we have been
caused to come into being simply to serve them. This is
interesting. They’re very refined physically, but they
somehow have a need or dependence in the physical world.
And they create things like us to interface and cause things to
happen in the physical world. There are not nearly as many
of them as there are of us. We don’t create. They create us,
and then we obtain things for them, something that they either
use themselves, or trade for other things that they need. And
it’s tiring and exhausting, because it’s relentless. (She began
crying.) That I have no choice but to keep doing this very
tiring stuff day after day. It’s for them, and they don’t care.
And I don’t know if there is an end. (Her voice was filled
with despair.) I suspect that maybe at some time we get old
and die. And I don’t know what happens to us then, but we
do this far longer than we want to. (She cried harder.) It’s a
total servitude. Total, with no choice and no hope. And no
gratitude, because they don’t even know that we can feel.
And if they would know, I don’t think they would care. We
are just doing their bidding continuously, continuously.
What’s amazing about it, as I look at it from this viewpoint ...
these creatures have an incredible influence all over a
universe, to different planets. Getting what they need. They
are fear-inspiring in their coldness. There is no respect for
anybody but themselves. It’s not that they’re consciously
evil. It’s just clueless. They are just totally involved in
themselves and taking care of themselves.
D: Very self-centered.
T: Totally.
She was finally able to have a partial understanding of what
their job was in these strange surroundings. Their little box was
controlling, by remote control, what machines were doing on the
planet. It had to do with a type of mining operation. Smaller
unmanned ships or devices could be directed to fly to another
world, mine a yellow powder, and fill pods, which were then
dumped somewhere else. The powder was used as fuel for
different purposes. The larger beings could have been located
somewhere else, because their part in this was the creation of the
little robots, so the mining machines could have been located
anywhere. It wouldn’t matter as long as they were doing their
job.
I decided it was time to move her from that scene to an
important day, if there could possibly be an important day in such
a dismal life of repetitive drudgery. She entered into the scene
crying, but it was a weeping of relief, not despair.
T: It’s the day when I die. And I’m so glad to get out of there.
I just disappear. And I leave. I leave. I leave that robot, and
it’s so good. (Crying) God, it’s so good to get out of there!
D: How did the robot die?
T: Something happened in my consciousness, and I just
dispersed. I don’t know how or why, but I was held together
in that little ball powering that. And I guess this would be my
death. Something disintegrated so that it could no longer be
contained. Like the tension on a bubble, the way a bubble
bursts.
D: Did you see anything happening to the body?
T: I evaporated. The robot stayed there, and it was
disempowered. It was either in its plugged-in place, or in its
job. The little robot thing kind of crumpled a little bit. It was
deactivated. And I dispersed into such tiny particles that I
could go through the molecules of the robot. Whatever held
me didn’t hold me anymore. It was like a snap of the fingers.
In an instant, I dispersed. And then I just floated up and left
it. It was incredible. That was the only good day of my life
there. To get out of that. That was bad. That was bad! I’m
floating away. I don’t want to stay there. And it’s just getting
increasingly distant ... and smaller.
She seemed like she couldn’t get out of there fast enough.
She wanted to put as much distance between those beings and her
spirit as possible.
D:Why did you decide to do that in the first place? From where
you are now you can see why you chose to experience a life
like that. I’m not going to make you go back into it. We can
just observe.
T: (A shock.) I was one of those really large beings! And I
guess I needed to know what effect I had. (She paused for a
moment to catch her breath and take this new development
in.) I was on the other side of it. Now I have the knowledge,
that I needed to know what effect I had, because these really
large beings have a great effect. They’re huge with a lot of
influence, and yet, they don’t have any understanding of their
influence. I have had many other experiences, not just in the
robot life, but other kinds of things being under the influence
of these very huge, gray beings. Because I had a long life as
one of those, not having any understanding of my
responsibility. I was very cold and very selfish, and not
understanding my effect. And having done that, it was time
to see what that effect was like, because you can’t do that.
Maybe it is teaching, but it is simply cause and effect. You
can’t do anything without having an effect. And so, I had to
experience the effect. I had to know what it was like. What
I had done.

Phenomenally hellish stuff. The part where the robot finally dies and the spirit goes free is especially poignant. What really interests me about this is how it fits in to the LOO Material. How is that these STS beings suffer karmic retribution for their actions, when they seem to exist in higher density? Ra states that the majority of STS beings go on to progress through the left-hand path, and that to be in a density higher than 3rd as an STS entity one would need to be knowingly and consciously on this path. In this story, however, we see what seems to be 4th-density beings who are unaware of their chosen path, and who must undergo karmic re-balancing in order to understand their positions and their effects. My understanding was a negative entity would simply compound karma over and over with the full knowledge of what it was doing, building up a massive charge of karma throughout the course of its existence, never letting this go until it had no other choice at or approaching 6th density.

Unless Ra was only speaking of those who graduate 3rd density into negative 4D. In this case I'm thinking that within negative 4D there must be many entities at the lower end of the spectrum who may have been created within that environment and who are unaware of the path, and in fact fall down to 3rd density upon failing to polarise during their incarnation.

Now I'm wondering if this is true for positives as well. Does the "sinkhole of indifference" actually extend up through the densities? I know that in the Indian vedic literature there are spoken of heavenly planets where those who have accumulated a great spiritual charge may spend an incarnation enjoying heavenly sense pleasures, but who upon leaving will fall back down to earth. Would this perhaps be because they spent their time in higher density enjoying higher-density hedonism instead of serving creation and refining the self?

Many questions. I would appreciate any input.

Why would you need machines in higher densities when you can work with light/love at will? This only makes sense to me in 3rd density, being veiled from our potential as co-creators. Dolores has stated once in a Youtube interview that she has made contact from outside of this universe.

The One Creator has no bias, some have
stated that the logos has a bias towards kindness, and I would agree with that.
A lot of the so called "problems" presented in many of the densities stems from
this kindness.
[/quote]
Interesting could you elaborate?





The One Creator Creates all.

The kindness that the logos has, manifesting with in beings, causes actions/reactions/distortions to occur. It has caused, in my opinion, a major distortion in the yellow ray on this planet. The base or source of many world wide distortions such as political correctness. It has its place in sub-strata, being that of customer service. Think of most interactions on the planet. When specifically the a public, or yellow ray energy/interaction/exchange. At every turn kindness is almost expected. Then you have people that see this, and want nothing to do with kindness. It has good and bad effects. I like kindness, however I can see how when unbalanced it usually leads to a distortion of in-true mirroring or in-true energy exchange. Think of a time when someone asked you if something looked okay? and because of this distortion towards kindness. You said "you look great". Yet it wasn't true. I mean it really manifests itself here, and from time after time of these in-true exchanges. We keep choosing it, and even taking measures to enforce it in society. That is why I say, the Logos distortion towards kindness, has caused a major distortion in yellow ray on this planet.

Quote:I completely disagree with the enslavement part. I'm sorry if I wasn't more
clear. Liberated, Liberated, Liberated, Liberated. I hope that makes it more
clear, lol.

The idea is not slaves, but host-bodies, bodies for us, for you and me to
incarnate into. Not for us to have servants, or pets, or something like that,
but rather a continuity with humanity.

Apologies ...lol... but you say “Orion Crusader here” and Ra says :

Ra: I am Ra. The purpose of the Orion group, as mentioned before, is conquest and enslavement.

Dolores is someone I have come to trust and her regressions with humans in machine bodies certainly don’t seem liberated. But maybe I am misunderstanding their lack of joy, lack of emotion. Maybe the lack of joy is liberation in your opinion.

Again I haven’t read everything you’ve written here but did you suddenly flip a switch and are now not an “Orion Crusader”....??

Quote:4D isn't significantly different from 3D physically,
it's more of a social and psychological shift,
due to the social memory complex

I disagree, but the difference between us here is that I don’t claim to know it. My contemplation and meditation gives me a very different physical condition of 4D. No matter what you “remember” during your meditation or soul travel or whatever it is you do to experience past lives, other “planets” etc. is always built upon the framework of your 3D mind and what you think you know here and now. Your using of a NASA sphere planet as exploration in a prior post is an example of this.


In terms of the Matrix reference, yes it was bodies which were used for energy, but the minds of humans were placed inside of a totally false reality in order to feed the machine agenda. Body and mind trapped in false reality sounds like what I consider soul enslavement, and the great mindfuck is that is a lot like what 3D is now.

(01-24-2018, 09:32 AM)Ra1111 Wrote: [ -> ]Dolores is someone I have come to trust and her regressions with humans in machine bodies certainly don’t seem liberated. But maybe I am misunderstanding their lack of joy, lack of emotion. Maybe the lack of joy is liberation in your opinion.

Personally I'd say the idea of a metal-host is an extremely bad match to the elemental focus humans are used to. It's not that it's bad but that it is unlike what they know and so I'm not suprised that it evokes a certain fear in many. I think if these vessels were created for new emerging conciousness, then what would be drawn to it is what resonate with this elemental focus.

To me the Dolores text seems heavily biased by the contrast of projecting the self into what is unlike itself more than empathizing with what is there in how it is for itself. Your computer already is consciousness and I've thought for some time that due to the technological focus of humans it is likely that when they move into higher densities they will create new 3D metal-vessels for the consciousness moving up the spiral as their technology already made portions of consciousness used to this orientation. Also, judgments toward that other world mostly all seem to refer to aspects of our own human world to begin with.

You’re right Elros, even in these regression states there is absolutely the bias of reality as a 3D human sees it, I suppose in my fear I forgot that point, even though I was trying to point it out about the TC’s own meditation experiences.

Emerging consciousness in a machine body which is able to be programmed or deactivated by someone else’s push of a button just doesn’t sound like something I want to believe, but I guess I don’t have a choice in the matter. Does that mean a “robot civilization seed” has been planted in my head?

Do robot people dance?

(01-24-2018, 10:16 AM)Ra1111 Wrote: [ -> ]Emerging consciousness in a machine body which is able to be programmed or deactivated by someone else’s push of a button just doesn’t sound like something I want to believe, but I guess I don’t have a choice in the matter. Does that mean a “robot civilization seed” has been planted in my head?

Well that's why i had first brought it back to lower densities of consciousness to make a contrast, whether it is simple matter or tools like a car or a computer, it is all consciousness in a body that is in service to us.

Humans can be shutdown using certain right chemicals. Human bodies are just organic-machines and there is a lot of programming that sways the mind and emotional body constantly.

Hey there, elspru.

If you' re interested, for my part, I concur with those who feel your plan is unduly biased towards a 3d false imagining of what 4d freedom would be.  If 4d bodies and whole civilizations can be made undetectable to 3d beings, then a 4d body must be quite different from a 3d body, and I see no reason to blindly trade that off for the outside chance that a robot body would have some advantages.  But these are simply my own biases and I wish you the best in your quest.  But I have one serious concern for your well being.

I was encouraged to see reference to one spirit guide, but given your stated long association with negative entities, I am concerned that you may not be well protected from the subtle influence of their parasitic skills.  Nearly all of your constructs seem to be self-referenced and it would seem that you are largely recycling your own fumes.  If you do not have ample mirrors to reflect your situation to yourself, this would set you up, potentially, to be played so that your light would redound to your puppeteer.  I hope you have searched your energy system thoroughly for such untoward connections.  (They can be very difficult to detect.)

On the whole, if you don't mind my saying this, what I find disappointing with your presentation is the lack of interest in the developement of consciousness.  If there's any there, I missed it.  But again, that's just my bias showing.  Be well.

 

If this hasn't been said yet, all 4th density positive is people that care for the energies that are channeled into the earth while STS are the people that essentially manage the forms that people see. (movies architecture, music, etc.) Now's a good time to go negative is there is so much opportunity to be valued as a great healer. (anyone that suffers values healing: meditation, spiritual practice, direction, and flow) Usually the reason people don't go negative is simply that they are subconsciously dominated by old power structures that cause subconscious service or mirroring of local or relational distortions.

So to a large extent, all the negative does is assume the honor/duty of holding some amount of responsibility for how the future plays out. Rapid progression is possible, but in the end, you simply shift to a higher vibration and learn to correctly identify and block all negative cords that offer themselves.

All it takes is working with a group of people to go from negative to positive anyway, so I don't know what the big deal is anyway....

~
OR, Arbeit-Macht-Frei meets Alles-ist-Liebe in the Final Grand Polaric-Principle Celebrity Death-Match*



In a parallel reality I suffer a terrible fate: I'm a man-soul haplessly and hopelessly trapped in 
the voluptuous gynoid android robot-body of Björk, forever making out with another robot-Björk/me! 
Oh the horror of it, the grim unceasing day-in-and-day-out grind of forever adoringly making love... 
reciprocally with ourself as it were... but ourself as, um, big-time-sensuality Björkian fembots... surrounded by endlessly-
overseeing tune-up machines attending to my -- our -- every intimate need... so... hmmm.... yeah, so, ain't it awful -- 
and, uh... then I... rather, we -- um -- hang on a minute. . . ! 

...You know, come to think of it, it's not the worst incarnative gig in the universe, not by a long shot!** 

I'm kinda diggin' it, actually...

-- By golly, that Earthling flesh-creature from the Land of Ice, you know, the warbling wetware prototype -- she's right!  

       All is full of love!!  

          ... If you know how to surrender to its way of being, in whatever situation you may find yourself in.

               It's there; the real question of the age is: where in God's name are you? 

(Meanwhile, not to worry, all is right, whichever path you take. They join up, you know, further on up the road. Of course, the
intermediate stretches of divergent roadway -- until such time -- have their little... idiosyncracies.)
https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthre...3#pid88823


I like to think (and
the sooner the better!)
of a cybernetic meadow
where mammals and computers
live together in mutually
programming harmony
like pure water
touching clear sky. 


     I like to think
     (right now, please!)
     of a cybernetic forest
     filled with pines and electronics
     where deer stroll peacefully
     past computers
     as if they were flowers
     with spinning blossoms. 


          I like to think
          (it has to be!)
          of a cybernetic ecology
          where we are free of our labors
          and joined back to nature,
          returned to our mammal
          brothers and sisters,
          and all watched over
          by machines of loving grace.


---- Richard Brautigan,  originally from his mimeographed poem-collection All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace (SF: Communication Co., 1967), 
which is also this poem's title. Later published in The Pill vs. the Springhill Mine Disaster (SF: Four Seasons Fndtn., 1968)
http://en.bookfi.net/book/1376070

It's tough enough facing the challenge of the Choice as an emerging consciousness trapped within an organic mortal human body...
even if you're a gifted poet. 

From Brautigan's bio:
In 1984, at age 49, Richard Brautigan had recently moved to Bolinas, California, where he was living alone in a large, old house. 
He died of a self-inflicted .44 Magnum gunshot wound to the head. The exact date of his death is unknown, and his decomposed 
body was found by Robert Yench, a private investigator, on October 25, 1984. The body was found on the living room floor, in front 
of a large window that looked out over the Pacific Ocean. It is speculated that Brautigan may have ended his life over a month earlier, 
on September 14, 1984, after talking to former girlfriend Marcia Clay on the telephone. Brautigan was survived by his parents, both 
ex-wives, and his daughter Ianthe. He has one grandchild named Elizabeth, who was born about two years after his death. 

He left a suicide note that simply read: "Messy, isn't it?" 
 
Brautigan once wrote, "All of us have a place in history. Mine is clouds." 




This FNORD-filled post (which is arguably so wrong on many levels) is an STS public-service message 
brought to you with cunning malice by the
  
☞ RESISTANCE IS FUTILE! HARVEST IS NOW!! ☜





 

Something to keep you kids busy 'til Catnarok:
http://www.hellokids.com/c_28322/colorin...ian-god-ra





-------------------------------------------------------------------

* The eternal symbiotic struggle of the cosmic superorganismic factions' exemplars.
  ...That is very far.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yoi09ycU3zg

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/19/world...pe=article
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/02/world...achau.html



** Could be way, way worse -- I might find myself trapped in a human body stuck on a planet at a time of
unprecedented challenge on every existential level, in the face of which a heart-breakingly large number of my 
fellow species-members are invested in the kind of bizarre, misguided mythos manifested in the following 
stupefyingly imbecilic vid. . . thank God that sorrowfully-benighted video-planet is just a figment of my fevered, 
ever-wandering over-imagination! Trying to talk to those Earthlings would be like... talking to the bloody wall.


 

"The walls have mice, and the mice have ears..." 

---- Rabbi Levi, 3rd-c.Palestinian sage, quoting an ancient Persian proverb, multi-valently warning against
enemies appearing as friends/neutrals on the one hand whilst hinting at how soft disclosure can happen even 
in the face of the most dauntingly obdurate systemic resistance to truth.



12.26 Questioner: Thank you. Well, you spoke of Wanderers. Who are Wanderers? Where do they come from?

Ra: I am Ra. Imagine, if you will, the sands of your shores. As countless as the grains of sand are the sources of intelligent infinity. 
When a social memory complex has achieved its complete understanding of its desire, it may conclude that its desire is service to 
others with the distortion towards reaching their hand, figuratively, to any entities who call for aid. These entities whom you may call 
the Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow move towards this calling of sorrow. These entities are from all reaches of the infinite creation and 
are bound together by the desire to serve in this distortion.

(01-26-2018, 10:33 PM)GentleReckoning Wrote: [ -> ]If this hasn't been said yet, all 4th density positive is people that care for the energies that are channeled into the earth while STS are the people that essentially manage the forms that people see. (movies architecture, music, etc.) Now's a good time to go negative is there is so much opportunity to be valued as a great healer. (anyone that suffers values healing: meditation, spiritual practice, direction, and flow) Usually the reason people don't go negative is simply that they are subconsciously dominated by old power structures that cause subconscious service or mirroring of local or relational distortions.

So to a large extent, all the negative does is assume the honor/duty of holding some amount of responsibility for how the future plays out. Rapid progression is possible, but in the end, you simply shift to a higher vibration and learn to correctly identify and block all negative cords that offer themselves.

All it takes is working with a group of people to go from negative to positive anyway, so I don't know what the big deal is anyway....

Further seeking has led to a refinement of this:

If you are STO and cause no direct positive influence, but progress through your lessons attaining greater wisdom and clarity, your goodness is expressed through your life, but asserted through others (e.g. you have to trust that you are effecting a positive difference). If you are STS, you can assert your will directly, but due to the nature of the pyramids that STS tends to operate through, significant energy is lost.

(01-18-2018, 10:16 PM)elspru Wrote: [ -> ]Hi all,

I've been STS for a while, and identify with the Orion Crusaders,
based on my past lives and cognitive experience.

I'm wondering, where are all the Orion Crusaders gathering?
There seem to be endless STO forums and groups.
But as a crusader, I mean they're a tad dull.
Anyways, since this is a general forum,
if you are STS them either post or PM me,
maybe we can get something going.
If you are STO, maybe you have some questions
about what it's like to be STS.

Anyways, I remember lots of past-lives,
gray alien, pirate, monk, varingjar, centurian, etc.
The Law of One material really resonates with me,
it's a real precious gem.  Some people call me Loki.
Don't know what that 5th density STS guy had against Law of One.
It's a blueprint for STS just as much as it is for STO.

Also what do people have against STS?
It seems a much better healthier path of least resistance.

Before your bring out your pitchforks,
consider this an opportunity to polarize.
Really plumb the depths, and get off the fence.
Cause obviously you can't be useful if you aren't here,
and if you don't polarize you'll be migrated elsewhere lol.

For a bit of context, my mission is robot civilization seeds.
There are at least two paths,
If the planet goes STS, then the elite will enhance themselves and migrate to robot bodies,
homo-sapiens are unsuitable to rule because their brains can only handle 150-200 relations,
thus through trying to please only the few people that they can know, inevitably leads to corruption.

If the planet goes STO, then robot civilization seeds will help to bring life to dead planets and eco-regions.

I like Ra, he feels like an old  friend. At 6th density all these polarities merge anyhow.
Remember, the more polarized you are, the easier it is to switch between STO and STS. (read it in the Law of One somewhere, but can't find it now).

as long as you don't intend to conquer or play unfairly then all the best. let this be a warning.
i have no problem as long as you don't harm this planet or our people. in fact i recommend you cut your connections to them immediately. i try to keep both parties from harming eachother. but thats a real issue when they constantly make serious threats against me you see.

you know what's my problem with your crusader friends? constant threats CONSTANT THREATS AGAINST MY BEING for someone who just wants peace between both. i recommend you get better friends.

In fact the people you are working with are indescribably evil and a danger to everyone.

Responding to what I did read in this thread:

---How is the Negative path more difficult than the positive path? According to Ra---
1. Negative entity uses only top 3 chakras (+ root chakra?); Positive entity uses all 7 chakras!
2. Negative entity must polarize 95% to get out of 3d; Positive entity only needs 51% to graduate! Simple math so far!
3. Negative entity must suffocate heart chakra, the source of love! Ra tells us all things are light and that light is love! Therefor, to take the negative path you must travel without access to something essential!
4. Negative entity must become increasingly disciplined to monitor and control the energy that he manipulates, he must work increasingly for his advancement. Positive entity DANCES, increasingly rewarded THROUGH THE NATURE OF THE WORK, advancing toward the very source, instead of away from it!

---You are a 6th density STS Wander? Unlikely! According to Ra---
It is a stretch to say that there is such thing as a 6th density STS entity. How can an entity practice separation an know that all is one? Advancement on the negative path means less need for use of other selves- less need for domination. Why would an advanced negative soul risk the hazard of forgetting, and depolarization, to incarnate here? ...The negative path requires that you hold finity and duality as truth; you reject the Law of One painfully if you are negative and my understanding of Ra is true.

Thank you.

Sounds a lot like the movie Chappy. I like it.

We are talking about a lot of themes here.

- The AI entropy grid 2D, Basic expansion and embodyment of infinite consciousness
- AI Planets, possibly Ascended Civilizations
- STS ?? There is no such thing I say
It all is nothing or happining in nothingness, consciousness is born in emptyness. What other path is there than the self?

Its not real!

Its all Positive
Its all Negative
Its all One
Its all None
Which one is you
Watching
But you cant be found
So Forget what to Do
Forget your self

But everything is worthwhile

I like this robot host-body civilization idea. Have you considered making a separate thread to discuss it? I could throw a dozen ideas at you immediately. I've thought about stuff like this pretty frequently. Also, ever considered having LRCS hives living directly in space? Seems like a good place for it. At least it's one option. I could add more but I'll wait for now.

Sorry to go off the robot topic but I would like to know more about how to access past memories. I was hypnotized to help with anxiety and ended up going into a deep trance and discribed being inside a swirly yellow glittery cloud thing except I was it. It’s close to what you discribed Venus like or maybe a star. I just wrote about it yesterday on this thread.

I want to learn how I can access more information about it and learn my purpose here. Could I have truelly come here because I wanted hands? I just feel like I should be doing more... :/

You have to deal with what you have before your soul will give you more to fix. Keep doing that, and your soul *must* access parts of itself relative to the catalyst you are going through causing access to past memories, alternate timelines etc...

(04-23-2018, 08:53 PM)Blue22 Wrote: [ -> ]Responding to what I did read in this thread:

---How is the Negative path more difficult than the positive path? According to Ra---
1. Negative entity uses only top 3 chakras (+ root chakra?); Positive entity uses all 7 chakras!
2. Negative entity must polarize 95% to get out of 3d; Positive entity only needs 51% to graduate! Simple math so far!
3. Negative entity must suffocate heart chakra, the source of love! Ra tells us all things are light and that light is love! Therefor, to take the negative path you must travel without access to something essential!
4. Negative entity must become increasingly disciplined to monitor and control the energy that he manipulates, he must work increasingly for his advancement. Positive entity DANCES, increasingly rewarded THROUGH THE NATURE OF THE WORK, advancing toward the very source, instead of away from it!

---You are a 6th density STS Wander? Unlikely! According to Ra---
It is a stretch to say that there is such thing as a 6th density STS entity. How can an entity practice separation an know that all is one? Advancement on the negative path means less need for use of other selves- less need for domination. Why would an advanced negative soul risk the hazard of forgetting, and depolarization, to incarnate here?  ...The negative path requires that you hold finity and duality as truth; you reject the Law of One painfully if you are negative and my understanding of Ra is true.

Thank you.

Fair enough....but.......     Consider this.  If one realizes, as a 3d being, that it has explored higher realms, both positive and negative, this opens up many more pathways of exploration than if one simply identifies as positive.  Although I an not advocating self-centered exploration, I am suggesting that there is a lot more out there to explore than the regulation sto pathways of service.  Or, put another way, pathways of service may include more than Ra's simple service to those laboring in sorrow.  One is limitied only by the scope of one's imagination, no?