(09-15-2010, 11:50 AM)unity100 Wrote: [ -> ]the answer is simple. you simply let go of all you have learned in those religions, their dogmas, suggestions and traditions.
....it is no different than dying and being reborn, just like the concept that is the basis of initiation at the bottom chamber of the pyramid.
Hello unity100. Thank you for your participation. Before beginning, I would like to preface that in our previous discussion on "There isn't that much freedom," wherein it was stated that I suggested that you disagreed with the LOO as though a sweeping statement in its entirety, please allow me to instead speak for myself. These were never my words my friend. I said it there, and reiterate it here, given you have given me the personal opportunity to so by addressing you as personally in this discourse. It is crystal clear that you are as well read in the Material as you are in your thought processes to which I gave you full credit for in my very first exchange with you. It in fact makes it all the more enjoyable to read your offerings as well as to engage with you. Thank you.
To your consideration above, I'm not sure that
"letting go" is as required as is
"merger" of all that one has brought to the table through ones journey. Simply letting go, although perhaps understood as you perhaps mean it(?), is less elegant and meaningful for having gone through the journey to acquire all that led one presumably to the point of said merger, whether said merger is for STO or STS, given that both merge at mid 6th.
(09-15-2010, 11:50 AM)unity100 Wrote: [ -> ]1.the answer is simple.....
2.it would be rather naive to think that, despite the entity has to metaphorically die and be reborn, getting rid of as many societal mind-specific illusions and conditionings for progressing in his/her seeking, s/he wouldnt have to let go of all that s/he has learned or conditioned to in the past, regardless of the source.
To the converse on both points. Nothing about our journey or its processes are simple. Were it so we would not be required to play in an eternity, however illusory, to get it right. To the second point as addressed above, "letting go of all that s/he has learned" seems to be the antithesis of the learning which was accomplished. Clearly what must be let go of is self-evidentiary as relates to those things preventative from merging at 6D vs letting go of all things learned that were required in order to effectuate said merger into 6D.
(09-15-2010, 11:50 AM)unity100 Wrote: [ -> ]you simply let go of all you have learned in those religions, their dogmas, suggestions and traditions.
(09-15-2010, 01:40 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: [ -> ]I agree for the most part, in terms of rigid dogma...though the religions do have some good in them, if we can see past the dogma to the essence. It's definitely a challenge to be able to sift thru all the religious distortion to find a few gems, and questionable whether it's really worth it.
Agreed to the extent of the STO content vs its STS content. But what one worthy source on this planet is not open to STS's willful desire to corrupt and usurp an STO intention with its dogma and rigidity? The more STO light that is generated from its source, be it the Bible, or the Koran, or the Torah, or, or, etc etc etc, or the simple calling that both STO must respond to, and that STS takes notice of, as Ra explicitly stated, the greater is its notice by STS, much like a beacon shining thorough the firmaments. One may argue then that the Bible et al is so corrupted in light of the fact that it in fact contains so much light. This was even the case of the LOO with their 5th Density visitor. The single difference with the L/L group was their foreknowledge of the manner in which the rules applied and as such their dedication to the instructions to maintain said narrow band frequency, notwithstanding that it almost cost Carl's life and perhaps secondarily on some level, if not directly on another, Don's. If the latter assumption is in an ways accurate, although never spoken of before to my knowledge, then the light of the Ra contact was successfully and tragically extinguished. To that end, these works of "the religious paths" have brought mankind much of everything we now enjoy, i.e. the arts, literature, philosophy, music, education, medicine, science, exploration, etc etc etc and even the beginning foundations of the LOO material with which to compare and grow from as a result. Religions have been as filled with beneficial results to mankind as they have been with corrupt dis-services. That's the way the game is played and the rules apply here. What is different from religion than anything else then ,but for its specific and saving grace that it at least strives specifically towards harvestability (of either path). STO is every bit as strong as is STO, in all facets, as neither is more powerful than the other. Looking for gems therefor is easy game as these works abound with them and
for billions on the planet,
God help us is without question worth it,less by these assumptions the billions are commuted to non-harvestability in spite of their efforts for it through this viable path. If the path is viable, as we know it is by Ra statements, then surely it is as worth it as much as are all other paths upon which STO traverses. Even Ra stated this. Students of the LOO therefore would be wise to discern the point that there are as many components of STO teachings within all religions that have done as much for the planet and its growth towards harvestabilty as have its STS components towards another type of harvestability. The compulsion for the STO student to throw the baby out with the bath water for said contents containing a mixed source is therefore less than wise given that harvestability through it for those that have used said manuals of higher consciousness effectively through discernment has had rather powerful STO effects and results. It might be argued that to date that more people have been harvested through the paths of religion than have any other path in our history. Wouldn't all agree? If not, then leaving harvestability to its own devices might have taken far longer. This is why Avatars such as Buddha, Jesus, Muhammad, Moses, Zoroaster (aka Zarathustra) et al, etc etc, have incarnated and were religious teachers and scholars. Isn't it curious that they have all been religious teachers?
monica Wrote:The very concept of atonement is one such religious dogma. STS entities serve the Creator too, so why would they need to 'atone' for their service?
Given that we as 3D find it near impossible to think without the use of words, words have their restrictions bound up in their definitions. It then becomes as increasingly difficult given that definitions then become distorted as relates to their perception, interpretation and understanding therein. We're lost in words. As it was meant to be.
To that end, the words forgiveness, penitence, recompense, etc, are the only ones that come to mind, as does now atonement, given that it is not a stretch to imagine that some mechanism of action for STS is required to merge into the STO path of 6D. As such, it is further not a stretch to assume that
Love and Forgiveness are integral components of STO in any STO density, and that these components
grow versus
diminish the further one moves up through STO 6D and ultimately into mid STO 6D, however otherwise defined with 3D language. My intuition tells me that nothing is as seamless as simply and seamlessly getting from early 6D to mid 6D and to the point of full merger without a great deal of STO components, otherwise it stands to reason it is not STO. I am sure it is beyond our 3D words or 3D ability to understand fully, but am equally as sure that we as students of the LOO are meant to struggle towards these finer points in contemplation less they would not have been delivered to us by Ra. The words atonement, penitence, recompense are the only ones we may utilize as part of that consideration in 3D language, less we simply agree that nothing at all is required, in spite of everything to the contrary that so much has been required thus far of us to even get to 3D, much less as much or more to 4D.
...L/L...
~ Q ~
