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What is more important, Love or Wisdom while here on Earth?

Aren't we here to learn compassion for one another?

How can we best do what's most important to do?

I don't want to have any regrets after I die. If I can avoid that.

I also don't want to let people walk all over me.
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(10-19-2018, 10:02 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: [ -> ]What is more important, Love or Wisdom while here on Earth?

Aren't we here to learn compassion for one another?

How can we best do what's most important to do?

I don't want to have any regrets after I die. If I can avoid that.

I also don't want to let people walk all over me.

Definitely compassion. We are here to learn the ways of love, but being incarnate on planet earth affords us an incredible opportunity to learn wisdom and discernment. The wisdom we learn in 3D is a mere shadow of the true wisdom we learn / acquire later on. Wisdom without compassion is cold and calculating. A solid foundation of love must be built first for the positive entity before being tempered by wisdom. So we have the fourth density of compassion and then the fifth density of wisdom, which is truly blended and balanced in 6D. Love and wisdom seem to be two sides of each other. These are very important chakras. Distortions in chakras 2 and 3 cause blockages in 4 and 5 respectively.

In my opinion, the fourth chakra should be developed first so that one’s wisdom is balanced with compassion. The heart is central to the positive seeking entity. A negative entity forsakes the heart completely and is left alone with wisdom/mind.
According to my knowledge: Wisdom aids effectively in ways which always help while Compassion is the desire to help and provide service that does not necessarily truly help. In my opinion the better of the two for our collective situation here on Earth is to act out of Compassion due to the raising of the vibration of the planet due to energy of love itself that Compassion literally creates. "We are here to Love it, not Save it."
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It is very evident that no chakra is to be developed "first" in 3rd density, but in balance with the others if you care to do it in a healthy manner. Although I would say that a blocked lower chakra seems to get in the way of healthy development of higher chakras. I say that as one who is dealing with solar plexus issues. So I feel it is likely affecting higher ray development as well. In fact, possibly even lower ray development to some extent...
(10-20-2018, 08:20 AM)Nau7ik Wrote: [ -> ]In my opinion, the fourth chakra should be developed first so that one’s wisdom is balanced with compassion. The heart is central to the positive seeking entity. A negative entity forsakes the heart completely and is left alone with wisdom/mind.

I totally agree. The heart is the most important chakra.

(10-20-2018, 10:33 AM)Agua Wrote: [ -> ]How did you come to this conclusion?
How are you possibly developing your fourth chakra first?
And why do you think wisdom comes from the fourth chakra (maybe i misunderstood that)?

No offense intended, but I have no clue how you came to tjese conclusions.

The prana of Creator follow a way, this being the seven chakras. As the blockages are being totally eliminated, the energy will flow up freely. The kundalini is awake at the level of the entity. So, there are seven levels of color of entities. The main lesson of the third density is find the ways of love. An entity is close of the harvestability when the kundalini is at the level of heart chakra. Only after the heart is opened the wisdow and the power can be totally developed.

Some stretches:

Quote:We do not need to remind each that the prerequisite for working to create a magical ritual of the entire life is an open heart. And the prerequisite for having an open heart is a freely flowing chakra body, with the lower chakras balanced and open and full power moving through into the heart and thence through the upper chakras and out the crown of the head.

Source: http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0119.aspx

Quote:The principal effort typical of third density meditative work is the opening of the heart chakra—or the green ray energy center—for only when this center is opened can work in the higher centers be engaged in a way that reflects the polarity we have called service to others.

Source: http://llresearch.org/transcripts/issues..._0919.aspx
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(10-19-2018, 10:02 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: [ -> ]What is more important, Love or Wisdom while here on Earth?

Aren't we here to learn compassion for one another?

How can we best do what's most important to do?

I don't want to have any regrets after I die. If I can avoid that.

It depends on the soul. Not everybody is in the same place. You can learn the lessons of any density in any density (in my opinion), just as you can learn the lessons of any grade in any grade (in school) though it could prove very difficult. In every density you face the seven rays. But this environment, or school if you will (3rd density), is particularly calibrated toward learning the lessons of yellow ray, which is where social unity is sought in some manner or another. So for positive, that would be the lessons of love, but for negative, that social unity is sought by conquering and enslaving your enemies (preferably through their own choosing to give up their own freedoms/rights as individuals). So this is love of self, disproportionately weighted towards the self rather than others selves. The graduation into the next density for 3rd density beings is about uniting the social structure (the budding conscious social memory complex) in some manner or another. Integration of this thought-form into a coherent direct-able whole.

However, many wanderers have already went through the love course, and perhaps they are here studying/teaching other things. Perhaps teaching other, more adept lessons. Wanderers incarnate in lower densities for a variety of different reasons. It doesn't always boil down to just one thing that is important. Sometimes beings are literally just on vacation (weird place for vacation amirite?). But then some people vacation in Alaska, and some people go on tropical cruises so different strokes for different folks.

So I don't think you can really boil it down and say one is more important than the other. It is completely unique to the soul. It depends where you are. Turn your will towards the creator and ask for guidance that facilitate your learning regularly, and if you are sincere, you will guided where you need to go.  

(10-19-2018, 10:02 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: [ -> ]I also don't want to let people walk all over me.

It is important to treat others with love, respect, and kindness, but also yourself. That means you shouldn't let someone walk all over you. Show people in your life respect and kindness, but don't just allow people to treat you unfairly. All that does is reward the subjugation. Even the confederation engages in self defense, even though it is not wholly positive or accepting. Disrespecting your self (by not valuing yourself enough to defend your personal well being) is just as bad as disrespecting another. All selves are valuable and worthy of respect.

Even compassion can be imbalanced -- always remember that. Some people want to bleed it out of you because they don't want to have to tap into their own source, they want to bask in the adulation of others. STS beings ultimately cut themselves off from their own inner love. What is the first separation? The self from the self. You can't offer enough behavior to please these individuals. Because the need is never ending, so if you can't bask in the light of your own sun, you try to get light from others suns. You just enable them to subjugate you more and more. So you see, there is a very critical balance between love and wisdom. Love is great and all, but love imbued with wisdom is even greater. Forgiveness is a wonderful thing, but justice has a place too in this universe.

What is wisdom but the light of truth emanating from unity, and what is love but the feeling that emanates from unity? Love/light and light/love.

It all depends where you are, which is unique for every soul.
I will share my own personal finding on this. Love is crucial for harvest, but wisdom can be attained and you can program / may have pre-incarnative programmed lessons for it.

The Ra material states that open love is 'the salvation of third density' (42.6) but it can create a mismatch in the balance of an entity.

My own past life regression has me down as a 4th density wanderer, seeking to gain more understanding and to lay the groundwork for fifth density.

My understanding is wisdom is not required for harvest from third density, but almost certainly can be gained and I would recommend it. My mental capacity for logic is very high and it seems to have placed me in a position to learn key lessons of wisdom, especially discernment and not sending out extreme amounts of love where it is not wanted/needed. Endlessly showering love on people can drive them mad if they are ill-prepared, as I have learned the hard way throughout my incarnation so far, thus wisdom where expression of love is concerned has been a lesson of mine.

I will note that many fourth-density beings I have channeled/worked with are often less 'wise' when planning sessions and/or being able to detect when a session should end, as much as a fifth/sixth-density entity of which I work with a few, and the boundaries for giving information re. free will seems to be lower at fourth, as opposed to fifth density or higher, the lack of wisdom can become very obvious in my opinion. I also see lack of wisdom in many spiritual practitioners; who do not know when to ground, and can be very unbalanced, completely open in love and compassion, but end up in a state of what I call 'spiritual overload' and I find their mental functions degrade to a stage where they can barely function in the world, unless the balance is restored through energy work, though some of this may be a byproduct of the wanderer incarnating to a lower density.

Wisdom I think is crucial when you want to do the likes of channeling or spiritual work of high service to others purity due to the effect of drawing the opposite polarity to you. It is not for us to be fully wise or understand at this density, for that is not possible I don't think due to the veil. But many of us have programmed lessons to give us opportunities to be wiser. Take the path of Carla as an example of that.

A new fourth-density entity I met 'Dazna' on a spiritual travel (see this link on my blog: http://www.loveseekers.org/category/spiritguides/ ) thought the idea of Wisdom was absurd, fifth density entities were spoken as of the 'wise ones', just as many here find open love absurd, many early fourth-density entities see wisdom as absurd, though our social memory complex seems to have an understanding of the importance of wisdom and have a strong seeking towards fifth density.

My aunt and mother were of fifth density, and many of their life lessons appear to have wisdom as the basis, my aunt seems to be trying to balance a heart with wisdom, my mother seemed to have a very good balance in this regard, and after completing her planned missions promptly left this incarnation and this third-density cycle based on my communications with her spirit and from my own guidance team, as she, my aunt and other family members are part of the teach/learning relationships in our soul group. My mother was very loving/kind to anyone, but was also very wise and had an intuition that served her very well.

Remember the third density experience is extremely powerful, vivid, intense and can thus be used to learn lessons that would take much, much longer to learn at the higher densities, wisdom is easily one of those potential lessons, as well as completely open love in my opinion. Neither more important than the other, though if you have learned neither, learning the lessons of open love would take priority over trying to be wise if you were trying to polarize as fourth-density positive.
(10-20-2018, 10:33 AM)Agua Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-20-2018, 08:20 AM)Nau7ik Wrote: [ -> ]In my opinion, the fourth chakra should be developed first so that one’s wisdom is balanced with compassion. The heart is central to the positive seeking entity. A negative entity forsakes the heart completely and is left alone with wisdom/mind.

How did you come to this conclusion?
How are you possibly developing your fourth chakra first?
And why do you think wisdom comes from the fourth chakra (maybe i misunderstood that)?

No offense intended, but I have no clue how you came to tjese conclusions.

Yeah you’re totally misinterpreting me....

As I said at the very beginning of the post, in 3D we are learning the ways of love. I.e. learning to open the heart OR to block the heart. My entire point is that we want to develop the heart center before the blue ray chakra. In the Law of One, Ra said negatively polarizing entities are biased towards wisdom. Deception, deceit, manipulation, control all require guile and intrigue. These are the ways of service to self. To develop qualities of discernment and wisdom before the foundation of love is set is to begin developing biases towards service to self.

As Infinite pointed out, the lower triad needs to be unblocked so that the flow of energy reaches the heart. Distortions in the second chakra, which has to do with the self in relation to self, the emotional instinctual self, will block energy from flowing into fourth chakra. The ray of universal love. The self and other are seen as worthy. Chakras 2 and 3 are lower chakras; distortions in these chakras block the full flow of energy going into the higher chakras.

So to sum everything up, the preliminary work to the open heart is the balancing of the distortions in the lower chakras, which frees up the flow of energy to allow us to work in the higher chakras. For the positive seeking entity, that work will include the open heart. For the negative seeking entity his work will be centered around wisdom without compassion.
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(10-21-2018, 08:50 AM)Agua Wrote: [ -> ]So my answer would still be:

its neither compassion nor wisdom that should be developed first but the connection with and the full acceptance of the physical life!

Otherwise all the advice here will not help at all but even reinforce the schizophrenic and psychotic condition!

this is a crucial point by Agua.

One of the greatest dangers in spiritual activity is that it leads to further and further abstraction from REAL EXPERIENCE.

And especially for very intellectual type material like Ra, it can easily promote a DISCONNECT from one's daily life, and social engagement.

Throw in the internet into this mix, and things become very ABSTRACT very quickly.

To really understand any kind of spiritual activity, it has to be translated, and INCORPORATED into one's core beingness.

This is not a matter of mantras, or straight out repetition.

It's about internal UNDERSTANDING and RECONFIGURATION.

The easiest measure of this is to look at one's personal relationships: their depth, their quality, their mutuality, the amount of trust and sincere engagement.

Lonely (and isolated) people are SAD for a reason!
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and - of course - it goes without saying that such changes are not easy or effortless to make.

And before you can even BEGIN, you have to have some sort of trust or confidence that such things are even POSSIBLE.

This usually requires an experience of genuine love - or in more pragmatic terms - GENUINE ACCEPTANCE.

To experience Genuine Acceptance in person is something truly remarkable if you've never tasted it before.  Like 100%, no holding back, no conditions, no contract type Acceptance.

This is one of the rarest Jewels in planet earth experience, but it's the thing which can turn things around for you.
(10-21-2018, 09:34 AM)Agua Wrote: [ -> ]There is a real danger to stay locked up in one's room, disconnect from everything, especially relationships, that is difficult or challenging, surf the internet all day long and believe to be highly evolved...

I don't believe to be highly evolved, or even very spiritual. I still masturbate, look at porn and eat meat. I always thought I was a 4D wanderer and not any higher.
I do surf the web a lot, but I don't disconnect from my mom. I drive her where she needs to go.
I do spend about equal time in my room and in the living room, meditating.

We're about to go out grocery shopping today.
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I feel that even responding to this shows I spend too much time online. I am writing on my phone from the parking lot of a crafts store.
(10-21-2018, 08:50 AM)Agua Wrote: [ -> ]Viewed in that light I am almost 100 % sure that the seeking in regards to love and also the seeking concerning wisdom is actually an expression of the wish to not deal with 3D life.

I don't agree. Universal love is not escapism. Right the opposite. It's dealing with 3d life.
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(10-24-2018, 01:11 AM)Agua Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-24-2018, 12:46 AM)loostudent Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-21-2018, 08:50 AM)Agua Wrote: [ -> ]Viewed in that light I am almost 100 % sure that the seeking in regards to love and also the seeking concerning wisdom is actually an expression of the wish to not deal with 3D life.

I don't agree. Universal love is not escapism. Right the opposite. It's dealing with 3d life.

I wasnt speaking in a general manner!
I didnt want to say seeking compassion or wisdom is escapism!

Maybe you want to read a couple of Imdy's posts.
What I was trying to say was that in this special case the methods and ways to seek love, compassion and wisdon actually derive from the ego and basically serve the purpose of escaping!

Are you saying that loving myself is an escape? Because I don't agree with you there.
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(10-24-2018, 01:11 AM)Agua Wrote: [ -> ]
loostudent Wrote:I don't agree. Universal love is not escapism. Right the opposite. It's dealing with 3d life.

I wasnt speaking in a general manner!
I didnt want to say seeking compassion or wisdom is escapism!

Maybe you want to read a couple of Imdy's posts.
What I was trying to say was that in this special case the methods and ways to seek love, compassion and wisdon actually derive from the ego and basically serve the purpose of escaping!

Sorry! I wasn't reading precisely.