Let's take the Root chakra as an example:
(I will only take this one example of a chakra because if I talked about all seven it would me too much. I hope you get the point after reading this.)
The first chakra is associated with the following functions or behavioral characteristics:
Security, safety
Survival
Basic needs (food, sleep, shelter, self-preservation, etc.)
Physicality, physical identity and aspects of self
Grounding
Support and foundation for living our lives
Considering that billions of people live in poverty and are starving (Approximately 793 milion people are starving around the world, according to the U.N.) I think people here know best how bad it really is. I think it's also known that without the four chakras balanced you can't be harvested. Not to mention people in the developed world living in a complete illusion (Virtual reality, video games, media, social media etc...)
How are people supposed to be able to achieve anything in regards to spiritual work in this lifetime or any other lifetime on this planet or any other STS-Planet? (considering that there are some catastrophies already underway like catastrophic climate change, pole shift,wars etc...?)
If we go by that the amount of people harvested would always be a minority of the population. I think someone here once mentioned 15 percent and to me that is very generous considering that Venus was a STO-society and their harvest was six out of thirty meaning that only 20% of them graduated and the rest had to repeat third density. If we go on with that third density might stretch to a million years for the extremely slow learners(that seems reasonable, 20 percent is not bad considering the Pareot Principle). IMHO the harvest on earth will probably be less than 5 percent. That's just my estimation. Continually incarnating on STS-planets as an STO candidate seems cruel and unnecessary. Is it possible that that might happen?
So I guess the follow up question would be where exactly do people native to this earth repeat third density and can they chose? If yes, why and what determines on what kind of planet you can incarnate? On a STO-or STS-World? I think the odds of being harvested are much higher on an STO-planet obviously. Being stuck in the sinkhole of indifference what determines where exactly you go? Accumulated Karma? What if you have polarized succesfully but are out of balance with your chakras? Do you simply get to make the obvious thing? Does the higher self accept that?
I've heard that at some point you can consciously take control of the incarnation process. Is that true and if so how does one do that?
I feel like living in this reality is biased towards STS and any meaningful attempt towards STO is met with natural resistance. How do you go towards STO except by pure luck e.g. being born in the right environment? It is not just about polarizing but also about balancing onself. And how do you achieve that in this world? Even the small percentage let's say 5 percent are still going to be met with enourmous resistance.
I only mentioned this one chakra but if you take the others into account it becomes more and more obvious. What about the people that live their whole lives in captivity ? Do you know how many slaves there are around the world today?
There are at least 27 million slaves worldwide. (I have different sources(here is one. Just google it for yourself)
These people have no chance. Not a miniscule chance of changing anything. Why would you incarnate into that? The majority of this planet is suffering. The odds of being harvested are clearly against one's favor.
This world is nothing but a casino. Incarnating here is like playing Russian roulette.
Consider the following example:
Consider Jesus of Nazareth. Would his root chakra have been balanced if it wasn't for Joanna, the wife of Chuza who managed the household of Herad Antipas? This women belonged to the wealthy upper class and she gave him and his disciples all the money they needed. If it wasn't for her and the other women that followed and supported him financially he wouldn't be known today.
I think you can draw the conclusions yourself here.
Does the environment have the final say over whether your chakras are balanced or not or could someone be able to do that while living in the worst conditions possible?
So to summon up:
1) How do you balance your chakras in a bad environment (e.g you are living in a dangerous part of town but unable to move,...)? Is it possible at at all ?
Please don't say that it's better to try change one's environment. That is simply not possible for the majority of people. See natural resource distribution, place of birth, fincancial assets,parents,health issues etc.. I get that it's always good to try to having one's need met but that only works to a certain extant and most of the time it does not work at all. There are limits.
2) If it's not possible is it a better option to simply polarize as much as possible and avoid accumulating karma so to repeat third density on another STO-world under much better conditions? I assume that would be the case if you did that. Am I correct in assuming that?
3) How does the incarnation process work and how can you take control of it?
4) Is it possible to be harvested before the cycle of third density is over? Isn't Jesus an example of that? Ra said he graduated into 5th density. He also had the opportunity to be harvested without incarnating.
Say you are on a third density planet and have polarized and balanced yourself enough to be harvested. Will you be harvested or do you have to wait until the cycle is over?
I think Ra mentioned that Genghis Khan and Rasputin have ascended with Khan joining the Orion Empire in 4th density. Does that mean it's possible to be ascend into 4th density before harvest?
I have summarized my questions if someone is too lazy to read it all.
The environment provides catalyst, i.e., stimulus. It does not determine whether one's chakras are balanced or not, because that is a function of how one responds to the catalyst. Balance in the first chakra depends in part on your attitude toward physical existence, rather than the circumstances of that existence.
Suicidality, not wanting to be here would create a blockage. Being poor in itself would not.
Environments, of course, can provide such strong catalyst that it would take nearly superhuman skills to "stay afloat" mentally and emotionally.
The main point I'm making is that the relationship between circumstances/catalyst and one's state of being is not as direct or deterministic as we think.
Here is an example told by the Dalai Lama:
"One Tibetan monk... who had spent more than 18 years in a Chinese prison labour camp... told me that on a few occasions he really faced some danger. So I asked him, 'What danger? What kind of danger?', thinking he would tell me of Chinese torture and prison. He replied, 'Many times I was in danger of losing compassion for the Chinese.'"
A major aspect of spiritual evolution in 3D consists of transcending the instinctive, knee-jerk responses of 2D animals ("you attack me, I attack you") in favor of the unconditional love of 4D, *choosing* to release the anger and keep one's heart open, to both oneself and the other, even when one's animal nature wants to destroy the enemy.
To sum it up - if we are in the habit of going along with our default, 2D reactions to catalyst, then catalyst can definitely create blockages in us. However, there is a choice there, and it is possible to use catalyst instead as an opportunity to transcend and heal.
(10-14-2019, 06:34 AM)rinzler Wrote: [ -> ]Let's take the Root chakra as an example:
1) How do you balance your chakras in a bad environment (e.g you are living in a dangerous part of town but unable to move,...)? Is it possible at at all ?
Please don't say that it's better to try change one's environment. That is simply not possible for the majority of people. See natural resource distribution, place of birth, fincancial assets,parents,health issues etc.. I get that it's always good to try to having one's need met but that only works to a certain extant and most of the time it does not work at all. There are limits.
I have been on both sides of the financial equation. I was never bad enough off to compare with the starving and poverty-sytricken millions you mentioned, but because of the extremity of change I experienced, I have some insight into this question.
Firstly, let me say that it's easy to judge the situation if you really haven't been there. If you (meaning anyone in general) haven't struggled in a seemingly hopeless situation, in particular a survival situation and more particularly for an extended time, then you really have no idea how difficult it is. And it's not only difficult because of your own survival; it highlights without cessation the poor state of humanity in general.
It is enormously challenging to maintain balance when the root chakra/survival is threatened. It involves acceptance of the current situation, without the loss of hope and a vision for the future. Even further, detachment from both the current situation and a future good outcome, yet at the same time, a will to create something better. These are seeming dichotomies, especially in practice. Acceptance comes first, but the issues of anger and resentment must be processed, which can be addressed at least in part by taking full responsibility for your life regardless of injustices and external events.
One key factor is exercise. The human body builds up chemicals such as cortisone from stress, and this is processed through movement (fight-or-flight response). Unfortunately, those with continual low-key depression become immobilized and exercise is the last thing desired. But this is one thing you can make yourself do, and it will help.
Another thing that helps is getting out of the human-made world into nature. And perhaps that isn't possible for some people, but at least then to look at the sky, the stars, clouds, and moon. To remember, and feel, that there is more than this human drama.
Esoteric platitudes simply aren't helpful. For so many starving on this planet, I'm not sure how to advise them. I'm not sure it's possible for such individuals to be balanced in a physical body so compromised. I can only continue to hope for enough evolution of human consciousness to at least share the resources of this beautiful planet—to heal the sick and feed the starving, and free the enslaved.
(10-14-2019, 06:34 AM)rinzler Wrote: [ -> ]Let's take the Root chakra as an example:
(I will only take this one example of a chakra because if I talked about all seven it would me too much. I hope you get the point after reading this.)
The first chakra is associated with the following functions or behavioral characteristics:
Security, safety
Survival
Basic needs (food, sleep, shelter, self-preservation, etc.)
Physicality, physical identity and aspects of self
Grounding
Support and foundation for living our lives
Considering that billions of people live in poverty and are starving (Approximately 793 milion people are starving around the world, according to the U.N.) I think people here know best how bad it really is. I think it's also known that without the four chakras balanced you can't be harvested. Not to mention people in the developed world living in a complete illusion (Virtual reality, video games, media, social media etc...)
How are people supposed to be able to achieve anything in regards to spiritual work in this lifetime or any other lifetime on this planet or any other STS-Planet? (considering that there are some catastrophies already underway like catastrophic climate change, pole shift,wars etc...?)
If we go by that the amount of people harvested would always be a minority of the population. I think someone here once mentioned 15 percent and to me that is very generous considering that Venus was a STO-society and their harvest was six out of thirty meaning that only 20% of them graduated and the rest had to repeat third density. If we go on with that third density might stretch to a million years for the extremely slow learners(that seems reasonable, 20 percent is not bad considering the Pareot Principle). IMHO the harvest on earth will probably be less than 5 percent. That's just my estimation. Continually incarnating on STS-planets as an STO candidate seems cruel and unnecessary. Is it possible that that might happen?
So I guess the follow up question would be where exactly do people native to this earth repeat third density and can they chose? If yes, why and what determines on what kind of planet you can incarnate? On a STO-or STS-World? I think the odds of being harvested are much higher on an STO-planet obviously. Being stuck in the sinkhole of indifference what determines where exactly you go? Accumulated Karma? What if you have polarized succesfully but are out of balance with your chakras? Do you simply get to make the obvious thing? Does the higher self accept that?
I've heard that at some point you can consciously take control of the incarnation process. Is that true and if so how does one do that?
I feel like living in this reality is biased towards STS and any meaningful attempt towards STO is met with natural resistance. How do you go towards STO except by pure luck e.g. being born in the right environment? It is not just about polarizing but also about balancing onself. And how do you achieve that in this world? Even the small percentage let's say 5 percent are still going to be met with enourmous resistance.
I only mentioned this one chakra but if you take the others into account it becomes more and more obvious. What about the people that live their whole lives in captivity ? Do you know how many slaves there are around the world today?
There are at least 27 million slaves worldwide. (I have different sources(here is one. Just google it for yourself)
These people have no chance. Not a miniscule chance of changing anything. Why would you incarnate into that? The majority of this planet is suffering. The odds of being harvested are clearly against one's favor.
This world is nothing but a casino. Incarnating here is like playing Russian roulette.
Consider the following example:
Consider Jesus of Nazareth. Would his root chakra have been balanced if it wasn't for Joanna, the wife of Chuza who managed the household of Herad Antipas? This women belonged to the wealthy upper class and she gave him and his disciples all the money they needed. If it wasn't for her and the other women that followed and supported him financially he wouldn't be known today.
I think you can draw the conclusions yourself here.
Does the environment have the final say over whether your chakras are balanced or not or could someone be able to do that while living in the worst conditions possible?
So to summon up:
1) How do you balance your chakras in a bad environment (e.g you are living in a dangerous part of town but unable to move,...)? Is it possible at at all ?
Please don't say that it's better to try change one's environment. That is simply not possible for the majority of people. See natural resource distribution, place of birth, fincancial assets,parents,health issues etc.. I get that it's always good to try to having one's need met but that only works to a certain extant and most of the time it does not work at all. There are limits.
2) If it's not possible is it a better option to simply polarize as much as possible and avoid accumulating karma so to repeat third density on another STO-world under much better conditions? I assume that would be the case if you did that. Am I correct in assuming that?
3) How does the incarnation process work and how can you take control of it?
4) Is it possible to be harvested before the cycle of third density is over? Isn't Jesus an example of that? Ra said he graduated into 5th density. He also had the opportunity to be harvested without incarnating.
Say you are on a third density planet and have polarized and balanced yourself enough to be harvested. Will you be harvested or do you have to wait until the cycle is over?
I think Ra mentioned that Genghis Khan and Rasputin have ascended with Khan joining the Orion Empire in 4th density. Does that mean it's possible to be ascend into 4th density before harvest?
I have summarized my questions if someone is too lazy to read it all.
4.) Yes it is possible to harvest prior to the end of a cycle.
It must be realized one cant 'work out' every single situation or every single environment. For every person, there are environments or situations which cannot be reasonably managed or balanced.
This includes family, friends, work, neighbors, social circle.
Therefore one must be wise in selecting situations and environments which s/he can manage and balance, and those which s/he must avoid.
Only from our one life, all or nothing, belief does this seem unfair.
I lived in that state of blaming God for most of my life, then, out of pain and desperation, declaring there cannot be a God.
I keep being told, "if one human in those dire circumstances has found the truth, then all are able."
And nothing except your own distortions can stop it.
Because I continue to be shown my how my past lives and actions brought me to situations in this life, it now makes so much sense.
Without my trials the catalyst for my new expanded views would never have happened.
I would still be stuck in my insanity that has been with my soul for two thousand, plus, years.
I had to be abused, marginalized, dehumanized, powerless.
I can actually see how I would not be in this place today, without them.
I can see how and why I signed up for this crazy life.
I can see how I could believe the suffering was a necessity, not an obstacle or punishment.
We, in the West have been conditioned to believe avoiding pain, strain and fighting the natural order is the preference.
We ignore, avoid, the fact that birth is a painful and traumatic first moment.
Growth, many times, IS painful.
Avoiding temporary pain generally only serves to make future pain more intense.
So, we think it isn't fair that so many suffer, and we from our positions of relative root chakra comfort, decide that "they"have no chance.
Who are we to decide this? We have nothing, other than propaganda and our own illusions, to base this on.
I chose this life for soul-growing, karma-righting reasons.
I've been hungry, beaten, homeless, no human support systems, raped and used.
And in order to be here today, in constant conversation with my guides, it all had to happen.
Those who chose 3rd world poverty, war, while inexplicable to me, makes perfect sense to their own soul, their own journey.
Unless this is your first incarnation, we all have been there. Which is probably why you resonate so strongly with their perceived plight.
Hell, I'm currently married (but not for long, divorce papers filed this week!) to the man that tortured and murdered me 2000 years ago.
We had to come back together as my stubborn ass refused to learn my lessons and without the catalyst of being stuck in my current circumstances would never have seen the truth.
My job, your job, is to heal our hearts and see through the illusions, no matter where we find ourselves.
All we can do is send unconditional love for the highest good and trust that these suffering souls knew exactly why they chose it.
Not my bat, not my ball, not my game, but theirs.
Love to you.
(10-19-2019, 09:03 AM)BridgesToLight Wrote: [ -> ]Those who chose 3rd world poverty, war, while inexplicable to me, makes perfect sense to their own soul, their own journey.
I get the idea of "manyness," and experiencing all there is as an individual path. But...
Parents take care of their children until they grow to adulthood, don't they? They feed their children, shelter them, guide them (hopefully not too much, allowing for individual expression).
So, as a society, as a collective consciousness of humanity, I would hope we could evolve to the point where the less fortunate—the homeless, starving, and war-torn—would be able to get their basic survival needs met. Beyond that, there is plenty of catalyst to experience.
(10-19-2019, 11:35 AM)Diana Wrote: [ -> ] (10-19-2019, 09:03 AM)BridgesToLight Wrote: [ -> ]Those who chose 3rd world poverty, war, while inexplicable to me, makes perfect sense to their own soul, their own journey.
I get the idea of "manyness," and experiencing all there is as an individual path. But...
Parents take care of their children until they grow to adulthood, don't they? They feed their children, shelter them, guide them (hopefully not too much, allowing for individual expression).
Yes, parents should, but all don't. It was incredibly hard for my parents, deeply wounded souls who passed on many of their wounds to us 5 kids. My childhood was so traumatic, I blew it up to get out at 15. Escaped from raising their brood, to my own child and deeply wounded spouse.
Blew that up a decade later to escape the new flavor of pain I found myself in.
(10-19-2019, 11:35 AM)Diana Wrote: [ -> ]So, as a society, as a collective consciousness of humanity, I would hope we could evolve to the point where the less fortunate—the homeless, starving, and war-torn—would be able to get their basic survival needs met. Beyond that, there is plenty of catalyst to experience.
Pretty sure this is part of Ascension and the Harvest. Else what would be the point.
But, even Ra states that the vast majority of humans won't make it this round, only the few.
And all souls will be exactly where they are supposed to be. Even though it pains me to think the suffering will always be part of a soul's evolution, I'm a fixer that hates unfairness and pain to others, I know it is part of the illusion of material incarnation,and I know my angst about others perceived suffering only feeds the darkness and my own distortions.
This is one of the hardest things to understand and accept. I have a ways to go, but I've made some progress!
(10-19-2019, 11:35 AM)Diana Wrote: [ -> ] (10-19-2019, 09:03 AM)BridgesToLight Wrote: [ -> ]Those who chose 3rd world poverty, war, while inexplicable to me, makes perfect sense to their own soul, their own journey.
I get the idea of "manyness," and experiencing all there is as an individual path. But...
Parents take care of their children until they grow to adulthood, don't they? They feed their children, shelter them, guide them (hopefully not too much, allowing for individual expression).
So, as a society, as a collective consciousness of humanity, I would hope we could evolve to the point where the less fortunate—the homeless, starving, and war-torn—would be able to get their basic survival needs met. Beyond that, there is plenty of catalyst to experience.
Sometimes parents are the catalyst. There is an idea that parents take care of their children providing them with basic needs food, shelter and possible guidance. However, if you are observing a poverty stricken environment, my best guess would be the parents may also be struggling with survival needs, the red ray. Could it be possible that we are looking at a race of people who have possible karmic issues to work through? In some cases there are clusters of people who seem to suffer with one another in the same identical fashion. So, if that's the case, what are we looking at here? If everyone in a small country is facing the same type of catalyst?
There is enough land and food to feed every human being by the way. The realization that I eat and another starves is very hurtful. Anyone who feels something in their heart, it serves as catalyst.
Quote:93.11 ▶ Questioner: I would like, if possible, an example of the activity we call Catalyst of the Mind in a particular individual undergoing this process. Could Ra give an example of that?
Ra: I am Ra. All that assaults your senses is catalyst. We, in speaking to this support group through this instrument, offer catalyst. The configurations of each in the group of body offer catalyst through comfort/discomfort. In fact all that is unprocessed that has come before the notice of a mind/body/spirit complex is catalyst.
(10-21-2019, 02:30 PM)kristina Wrote: [ -> ] (10-19-2019, 11:35 AM)Diana Wrote: [ -> ] (10-19-2019, 09:03 AM)BridgesToLight Wrote: [ -> ]Those who chose 3rd world poverty, war, while inexplicable to me, makes perfect sense to their own soul, their own journey.
I get the idea of "manyness," and experiencing all there is as an individual path. But...
Parents take care of their children until they grow to adulthood, don't they? They feed their children, shelter them, guide them (hopefully not too much, allowing for individual expression).
So, as a society, as a collective consciousness of humanity, I would hope we could evolve to the point where the less fortunate—the homeless, starving, and war-torn—would be able to get their basic survival needs met. Beyond that, there is plenty of catalyst to experience.
Sometimes parents are the catalyst. There is an idea that parents take care of their children providing them with basic needs food, shelter and possible guidance. However, if you are observing a poverty stricken environment, my best guess would be the parents may also be struggling with survival needs, the red ray. Could it be possible that we are looking at a race of people who have possible karmic issues to work through? In some cases there are clusters of people who seem to suffer with one another in the same identical fashion. So, if that's the case, what are we looking at here? If everyone in a small country is facing the same type of catalyst?
There is enough land and food to feed every human being by the way. The realization that I eat and another starves is very hurtful. Anyone who feels something in their heart, it serves as catalyst.
I think I have been unclear. What I meant was, that the homeless and starving people in this world, regardless of them perhaps incarnating at the lower end of the evolutionary spectrum, deserve to be cared for by their older "brothers and sisters of sorrow," just as parents take care of their children until they can care for themselves (and maybe this is better seen in the animal kingdom). I think we can help as a global society with providing basic food and shelter for all without infringing upon free will.
I didn't mean to refer to human parents specifically and what they do or don't do—I have no illusions about that. I only meant that we as a society could at least provide to all inhabitants the basic ability to survive without hunger or homelessness.
One thing nobody can ever take away from you: how you choose to feel.
(10-21-2019, 07:48 PM)Diana Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2019, 02:30 PM)kristina Wrote: [ -> ] (10-19-2019, 11:35 AM)Diana Wrote: [ -> ] (10-19-2019, 09:03 AM)BridgesToLight Wrote: [ -> ]Those who chose 3rd world poverty, war, while inexplicable to me, makes perfect sense to their own soul, their own journey.
I get the idea of "manyness," and experiencing all there is as an individual path. But...
Parents take care of their children until they grow to adulthood, don't they? They feed their children, shelter them, guide them (hopefully not too much, allowing for individual expression).
So, as a society, as a collective consciousness of humanity, I would hope we could evolve to the point where the less fortunate—the homeless, starving, and war-torn—would be able to get their basic survival needs met. Beyond that, there is plenty of catalyst to experience.
Sometimes parents are the catalyst. There is an idea that parents take care of their children providing them with basic needs food, shelter and possible guidance. However, if you are observing a poverty stricken environment, my best guess would be the parents may also be struggling with survival needs, the red ray. Could it be possible that we are looking at a race of people who have possible karmic issues to work through? In some cases there are clusters of people who seem to suffer with one another in the same identical fashion. So, if that's the case, what are we looking at here? If everyone in a small country is facing the same type of catalyst?
There is enough land and food to feed every human being by the way. The realization that I eat and another starves is very hurtful. Anyone who feels something in their heart, it serves as catalyst.
I think I have been unclear. What I meant was, that the homeless and starving people in this world, regardless of them perhaps incarnating at the lower end of the evolutionary spectrum, deserve to be cared for by their older "brothers and sisters of sorrow," just as parents take care of their children until they can care for themselves (and maybe this is better seen in the animal kingdom). I think we can help as a global society with providing basic food and shelter for all without infringing upon free will.
I didn't mean to refer to human parents specifically and what they do or don't do—I have no illusions about that. I only meant that we as a society could at least provide to all inhabitants the basic ability to survive without hunger or homelessness.
Gotcha. I totally misunderstood what you had written. We are on the same page then!
(10-14-2019, 06:34 AM)rinzler Wrote: [ -> ]How are people supposed to be able to achieve anything in regards to spiritual work in this lifetime or any other lifetime on this planet or any other STS-Planet? (considering that there are some catastrophies already underway like catastrophic climate change, pole shift,wars etc...?)
The problems you list are major problems which hamper entities' energy flowing higher than the 3rd chakra by gimping their energy by having them spend that energy for red ray existence survival purposes. Or by outright blocking their red ray due to anxiety of future, poverty etc.
That is what exactly Ra said when they mentioned entities which had to work from dawn till dusk could not find time to contemplate the nature of existence or make a choice. And that was the reason for the first wave of wanderers incarnating to bring technology to free people from daily survival work.
Which was co opted by the rich in the system to prosper more, as visible today, ending up having people work even more in more stressful conditions for their survival.
It is a major problem in current society. It is what keeps the energy level of entire planet down and pulling it to orange or lower.
(11-03-2019, 08:40 PM)unity100 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-14-2019, 06:34 AM)rinzler Wrote: [ -> ]How are people supposed to be able to achieve anything in regards to spiritual work in this lifetime or any other lifetime on this planet or any other STS-Planet? (considering that there are some catastrophies already underway like catastrophic climate change, pole shift,wars etc...?)
The problems you list are major problems which hamper entities' energy flowing higher than the 3rd chakra by gimping their energy by having them spend that energy for red ray existence survival purposes. Or by outright blocking their red ray due to anxiety of future, poverty etc.
That is what exactly Ra said when they mentioned entities which had to work from dawn till dusk could not find time to contemplate the nature of existence or make a choice. And that was the reason for the first wave of wanderers incarnating to bring technology to free people from daily survival work.
Which was co opted by the rich in the system to prosper more, as visible today, ending up having people work even more in more stressful conditions for their survival.
It is a major problem in current society. It is what keeps the energy level of entire planet down and pulling it to orange or lower.
Its the part that seems to be lagging behind the most in this "collective" transition.
Dominated by "politics"
