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https://www.britannica.com/topic/aeon

A being that emanates more or less directly from the Godhead principle or Logos. Would this be 7d, 8d? Is there any mention or clarification of this idea in any confederation material anyone knows of? I know some of the Gnostic ideas, and I'm thinking it relates to 7d or 8d. I remember reading in Bringers of the Dawn about "Founders" and the "Galactic Core". The Galactic core would be more of a sub-Logos to the "Great Central Sun" or Logos for the whole Octave? Would that still be an Aeon? This is one of those interesting concepts that really stretches the mind and intuition. Any ideas?

I just always assumed that once a SMC (with its planetary complex?) is established, a Godhead would be formed as part as the unique representation of the sum of all parts.

Don't have any clue specifically about the term Aeons tho.

 
Here's an idea.  It's not a simple one, however.

Quote:28.6 Questioner: When does individualization or the individualized portion of consciousness come into play? How does this individualization occur and at what point does individualized consciousness take over in working on the basic light?

Ra: I am Ra. You remain carefully in the area of creation itself. In this process we must further confuse you by stating that the process by which free will acts upon potential intelligent infinity to become focused intelligent energy takes place without the space/time of which you are so aware as it is your continuum experience.

The experience or existence of space/time comes into being after the individuation process of Logos or Love has been completed and the physical universe, as you would call it, has coalesced or begun to draw inward while moving outward to the extent that that which you call your sun bodies have in their turn created timeless chaos coalescing into what you call planets, these vortices of intelligent energy spending a large amount of what you would call first density in a timeless state, the space/time realization being one of the learn/teachings of this density of beingness.

Thus we have difficulty answering your questions with regard to time and space and their relationship to the, what you would call, original creation which is not a part of space/time as you can understand it.

28.7 Questioner: Thank you. Does a unit of consciousness, an individualized unit of consciousness, create, say, a unit of the creation? I will give an example.

Would one individualized consciousness create one galaxy of stars, the type that has many millions of stars in it. Does this happen?

Ra: I am Ra. This can happen. The possibilities are infinite. Thus a Logos may create what you call a star system or it may be the Logos creating billions of star systems. This is the cause of the confusion in the term galaxy, for there are many different Logos entities or creations and we would call each, using your sound vibration complexes, a galaxy.

28.8 Questioner: Let’s take as an example the planet that we are on now and tell me how much of the creation was created by the same Logos that created this planet?

Ra: I am Ra. This planetary Logos is a strong Logos creating approximately two hundred fifty billion [250,000,000,000] of your star systems for Its creation. The, shall we say, laws or physical ways of this creation will remain, therefore, constant.

28.9 Questioner: Then what you’re saying is that the lenticular star system which we call a galaxy that we find ourself in with approximately 250 billion other suns like our own was created by a single Logos. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

28.10 Questioner: Now, since there are many individualized portions of consciousness in this lenticular galaxy, did this Logos then subdivide into more individualization of consciousness to create these consciousness or divide into these consciousness?

Ra: I am Ra. You are perceptive. This is also correct although an apparent paradox.

28.11 Questioner: Could you tell me what you mean by an apparent paradox?

Ra: I am Ra. It would seem that if one Logos creates the intelligent energy ways for a large system there would not be the necessity or possibility of the further sub-Logos differentiation. However, within limits, this is precisely the case, and it is perceptive that this has been seen.

28.12 Questioner: Thank you. Could you please make the instrument cough?

Ra: [Cough.]

28.13 Questioner: Thank you. Do all of the individualized portions of the Logos, then, in our— I’ll call the lenticular galaxy that we are in, 250 billion suns, or stars, I will call that the major galaxy just so we will not get mixed up in our terms. Does all the consciousness, then, in this individualized form that goes into what we are calling the major galaxy start out and go through all of the densities in order, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven or— then to eighth— or is there, shall I say, some who start higher up the rank and go in a— so that there is always a mixture of intelligent consciousness in the galaxy?

Ra: I am Ra. The latter is more nearly correct. In each beginning there is the beginning from infinite strength. Free will acts as a catalyst. Beings begin to form the universes. Consciousness then begins to have the potential to experience. The potentials of experience are created as a part of intelligent energy and are fixed before experience begins.

However, there is always, due to free will acting infinitely upon the creation, a great variation in initial responses to intelligent energy’s potential. Thus almost immediately the foundations of the, shall we call it, hierarchical nature of beings begins to manifest as some portions of consciousness or awareness learn through experience in a much more efficient manner.

  
  

 
Some related stuff.

Quote:91.2 Questioner: I have listed the different minds and would like to know if they are applied in this particular aspect: first, we have the cosmic mind which is, I would think, the same for all sub-Logo[i] like our sun. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

91.3 Questioner: The sub-Logos such as our sun, then, in creating Its own particular evolution of experience, refines the cosmic mind or, shall we say, articulates it by Its own additional bias or biases. Is this a correct observation?

Ra: I am Ra. It is a correct observation with the one exception that concerns the use of the term “addition,” which suggests the concept of that which is more than the all-mind. Instead, the archetypical mind is a refinement of the all-mind in a pattern peculiar to the sub-Logos choosing.

91.4 Questioner: Then the very next refinement that occurs as the cosmic mind is refined is what we call the archetypical mind. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. Yes.

Quote:81.33 Questioner: Actually, [I] don’t have much more on this except to make the assumption that there must have been some type of communication throughout the octave so that, when the first experiment became effective, the knowledge of this then spread rapidly through the octave and was picked up by other budding galactic spirals, you might say. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. To be aware of the nature of this communication is to be aware of the nature of the Logos. Much of what you call creation has never separated from the one Logos of this octave and resides within the One Infinite Creator. Communication in such an environment is the communication of cells of the body. That which is learned by one is known to all. The sub-Logoi, then, have been in the position of refining the discoveries of what might be called the earlier sub-Logoi. May we ask if we may answer any brief queries at this working?

Quote:82.12 Questioner: I was interested in specifically how this very first division showed up in this octave. I was interested to know if it made the transition through first, second, third, fourth, fifth, etc., densities? I would like to take the first mind/body/spirit complexes and trace their experience from the very start to the present so that I would better understand the condition that we are in now by comparing it with this original growth. Could you please tell me precisely how this came about as to the formation, possibly, of the planets and the growth through the densities, if that is the way it happened, please?

Ra: I am Ra. Your queries seem more confused than your basic mental distortions in this area. Let us speak in general and perhaps you may find a less confused and more simple method of eliciting information in this area.

A very great deal of creation was manifested without the use of the concepts involved in consciousness, as you know it. The creation itself is a form of consciousness which is unified, the Logos being the one great heart of creation. The process of evolution through this period, which may be seen to be timeless, is most valuable to take into consideration, for it is against the background of this essential unity of the fabric of creation that we find the ultimate development of the Logoi which chose to use that portion of the harvested consciousness of the Creator to move forward with the process of knowledge of self. As it had been found to be efficient to use the various densities, which are fixed in each octave, in order to create conditions in which self-conscious sub-Logoi could exist, this was carried out throughout the growing flower-strewn field, as your simile suggests, of the one infinite creation.

The first beings of mind, body, and spirit were not complex. The experience of mind/body/spirits at the beginning of this octave of experience was singular. There was no third-density forgetting. There was no veil. The lessons of third density are predestined by the very nature of the vibratory rates experienced during this particular density and by the nature of the quantum jump to the vibratory experiences of fourth density.

  

The emanations seem to vaguely fit the description of Logos, sub Logos, sub sub Logos.

As a fractal system branches off further from the origin point, it becomes more numerous. As described in the link that Aeons become more numerous.

This material seemed to have been channeled by John or some other person, similar to Revelations. Thus it did not even make sense to the people back then.

"Ra: I am Ra. This can happen. The possibilities are infinite. Thus a Logos may create what you call a star system or it may be the Logos creating billions of star systems. This is the cause of the confusion in the term galaxy, for there are many different Logos entities or creations and we would call each, using your sound vibration complexes, a galaxy."

This makes the term galaxy sound more like "pocket universe". A dimension personally created by a god or set of gods, of which there are many, numerous and diverse in power and distance from Prime Source.

"Ra: I am Ra. This planetary Logos is a strong Logos creating approximately two hundred fifty billion [250,000,000,000] of your star systems for Its creation. The, shall we say, laws or physical ways of this creation will remain, therefore, constant."

Busy worker I see.

"Strong" is amazing... for a "planetary" Sub Logos to create two hundred fifty billion STAR SYSTEMS?

Planetary and "star system" can also go into the "galaxy redefinition bin". Human concepts are disposable and also inaccurate.

Fundamentally, what is the Earth and what is the universe?

That is a KING OF THE UNIVERSE, as described in Hebrew scriptures. To think that there are even more Logos, above the planetary Logos, the mind of the human begins breaking down at that point.

Quote:Who is Melchizedek? How many Melchizedek priest are there? What is Melchizedek purpose in soul development? What density is Melchizedek? Is Melchizedek present now or will be present again upon this earth? Does Melchizedek belong to your groupsoul Density?

What are some rituals you perform? Can a 8th Density goup soul seperate a piece of it into an indivuated soul and manifest in this here material place?

I am very much aware that it was Melchizedek who blessed Abraham the father of eventually 3 of the worlds primary religions: Judaism, Christianity and Islam all originated from an Idol maker in Babylon who heard "God" and met Melchizedek along the way. Thus, changing the course of spiritual development of humanity. No single person who ever existed upon the face of humanity ever, has had a larger reaching effect on humanity. It started with Melchizedek, blessing and a simple ritual. most do not know this but it was first Melchizadek that perfomed the modern ritual known today and performed by BILLION'S (with a B) of christians around the world, Communion. The ritual of breakng bread and whine is performed by Milchizedek in Gensus 14:18. That single event, did more to influence humanity than any other single event.

A: "Starseed" is a common term used to refer to individuals such as this. You yourself may be one, but we will get to that later.

There are few "priests" or acolytes of Melchizedek active. His purpose was to serve as a Catalyst to compel the peoples of Earth to progress spiritually and come to know and experience the Creator. A very pure, crystalline purpose. He was an individuated soul directly from the eighth density of experience, the density of complete reunification with the Creator. Many individuals who either initially circumvent the orthodox transition between densities, or progress through them all, return to act either as he did or to experience individuated being more simply, without thinking themselves to be bound by orthodox tradition. Individuals like him are present now.

Melchizedek and I are not technically of the same groupsoul as we have come to discuss them in this thread. He was - like all others, ultimately - an individuated soul directly derivative of the Creator. However, like myself, he did not intend to adhere to the orthodox transition among densities this time around. This is an option to all of us, most simply do not remember.

Q: Is it possible that a soul that has of complete the journey to the creator and be sent to earth to observe and correct mistakes made by other density beings only to return directly back to the creator. Like a special agent, of the Creator to bare witness to the process and correct any wrongs? Imbued with all the abilites of the highest order?

A: This is indeed possible. Any individuated soul may endeavor differently than what is provided by the orthodox Graduation system of incarnation. As such, it may incarnate directly from ultimate reunification with the Creator - the eighth and final density of experience to my knowledge - to individuated being wherever it so chooses. It is afforded a greater ease in circumventing the Veil of Forgetfulness, as well as in Creative actualization.

In the Law of One (i have read it over 10 times and know it quite well, but also do not subscribe to its diatribe.) There is no one book in all the World that contains all or the absolute truth, and personally i would rather think for myself. And be lead to by the Divine.

At the beginning there is a moment where there is a pause/comotion between forces. at the very beginning there is clearly opposing forces both making an effort to chanel. There is clearly a differnt presence being channeled at the start other than Ra. The pause and then Ra seemingly takes over. It is subtle, but noticeable. Who was the other entity?

Once Ra takes over, Ra says clearly at the beginning i am Ra, We are not of love and light but are here to instruct you in its ways. How can what is not of something, be able to instruct anyone in any shape or form about the nature and ways Love and Light?

A: When an incarnated soul opens itself to channeling, many entities will attempt to make contact. It takes a great deal of effort on both sides to maintain a steady "connection." From personal experience, this is overwhelmingly exhausting if done for prolonged periods of time in quick succession.

I am not aware of the particular entities attempting to make contact through channeling in place of Ra.

Ra says they are not of Love and Light to clarify they were not presently beholden to the density of experience in which those are the polarities. Note that they were mentioning only this, not the fundamental substrates and Law that compose the Creator and the Creation.

Q: A personal note, an honest dislcosure and some personal questions for me, as i was compelled to ask. Nobody has ever been able to answer these questions.

little while before the harvest happened, around 2008. is when i became "awaken" or activated. And, it really scared the s*** out of me to be honest. Simple thoughts would be made manifest, and then even larger thoughts. . I could see peoples energy signiture, i became very very intuitive, unmatchedd by any i have ever met anywhere on the net or in life. That is a fact! I knew all earth movements, all events in advance and it is around that time i begain to devour everything i could find on the internet about spiritual texts, ancient manuscripts etc. Although, i knew so many things that were in some texts EVEN the Law of One. Without ever reading them!!!! I actually had someone direct me to the Law of One because i was quoting some parts of it verbatium without ever knowing it existed. I mean i was preaching the talimud on a forum verbatim and i had no idea what the talmud was or that what I was saying was in anything previously written. How could i know this stuff??? And a seemingly over night.

A: It is indeed possible you decided to circumvent the orthodox incarnation experience of density Graduation and instead incarnated directly from the eighth density of experience without any "strings attached," if you will. As such, awakening to your nature and purpose here within incarnation, even if done unintentionally, can open you to a slew of experience and knowledge of which you may not have been consciously aware, before.

Like I mentioned above, the term "starseed" commonly refers to individuated souls of this nature. It may be the case that you have recently "awakened" to the nature of your purpose and presence here.

A personal question: why did this happen to me? Was it part of the harvest process? It was around 2008. What did i do, what ritual did i mistakenly do, to have this happen to me? Why do we have to experiance this alone?
I was just an ordinary Christian dude who did construction and went to church every sunday and didnt question reality at all. Then one day, i found this site, and a few others. I didnt post here for a couple years. Just watched then in 2008 all this the above happend.

I still have all these abilities but i have learned to control them much much better. I only use them when called by the Divine to do so. I have never, met anyone like me with my abilities. I have never charged money for the things i see and i have never recieved any compensation for helping anyone find their way.

A: The nature of awakening and all that it entails must be undergone alone as most that incarnate in the first place wish to do so differently than you - they wish to experience what the orthodox system of Graduation density may entail.

If any of this resonates with you, and if it were my position to do so, I would recommend a retreat of sorts. Take time for yourself, your passions, your soul callings and urges, and indulge in them to the fullest. Come to know and experience the Creator within and without. Then, once the fog clears, act as you have learned to be your path.

If you wish for a more thorough and in-depth conversation on this point, I would ask for a private message.

-The Era QA https://alastair.games/eracidni.html

Excellent delve into the material by S Fool, I would mention, up above.

Edit add 1 https://www.salrachele.com/webchanneling...ypart1.htm

I dont know the founders but the name fits.

(04-24-2021, 08:25 AM)Ymarsakar Wrote: [ -> ]The emanations seem to vaguely fit the description of Logos, sub Logos, sub sub Logos.

As a fractal system branches off further from the origin point, it becomes more numerous. As described in the link that Aeons become more numerous.

This material seemed to have been channeled by John or some other person, similar to Revelations. Thus it did not even make sense to the people back then.

"Ra: I am Ra. This can happen. The possibilities are infinite. Thus a Logos may create what you call a star system or it may be the Logos creating billions of star systems. This is the cause of the confusion in the term galaxy, for there are many different Logos entities or creations and we would call each, using your sound vibration complexes, a galaxy."

This makes the term galaxy sound more like "pocket universe". A dimension personally created by a god or set of gods, of which there are many, numerous and diverse in power and distance from Prime Source.

"Ra: I am Ra. This planetary Logos is a strong Logos creating approximately two hundred fifty billion [250,000,000,000] of your star systems for Its creation. The, shall we say, laws or physical ways of this creation will remain, therefore, constant."

Busy worker I see.

"Strong" is amazing... for a "planetary" Sub Logos to create two hundred fifty billion STAR SYSTEMS?

Planetary and "star system" can also go into the "galaxy redefinition bin". Human concepts are disposable and also inaccurate.

Fundamentally, what is the Earth and what is the universe?

That is a KING OF THE UNIVERSE, as described in Hebrew scriptures. To think that there are even more Logos, above the planetary Logos, the mind of the human begins breaking down at that point.

Quote:Who is Melchizedek? How many Melchizedek priest are there? What is Melchizedek purpose in soul development? What density is Melchizedek? Is Melchizedek present now or will be present again upon this earth? Does Melchizedek belong to your groupsoul Density?

What are some rituals you perform? Can a 8th Density goup soul seperate a piece of it into an indivuated soul and manifest in this here material place?

I am very much aware that it was Melchizedek who blessed Abraham the father of eventually 3 of the worlds primary religions: Judaism, Christianity and Islam all originated from an Idol maker in Babylon who heard "God" and met Melchizedek along the way. Thus, changing the course of spiritual development of humanity. No single person who ever existed upon the face of humanity ever, has had a larger reaching effect on humanity. It started with Melchizedek, blessing and a simple ritual. most do not know this but it was first Melchizadek that perfomed the modern ritual known today and performed by BILLION'S (with a B) of christians around the world, Communion. The ritual of breakng bread and whine is performed by Milchizedek in Gensus 14:18. That single event, did more to influence humanity than any other single event.

A: "Starseed" is a common term used to refer to individuals such as this. You yourself may be one, but we will get to that later.

There are few "priests" or acolytes of Melchizedek active. His purpose was to serve as a Catalyst to compel the peoples of Earth to progress spiritually and come to know and experience the Creator. A very pure, crystalline purpose. He was an individuated soul directly from the eighth density of experience, the density of complete reunification with the Creator. Many individuals who either initially circumvent the orthodox transition between densities, or progress through them all, return to act either as he did or to experience individuated being more simply, without thinking themselves to be bound by orthodox tradition. Individuals like him are present now.

Melchizedek and I are not technically of the same groupsoul as we have come to discuss them in this thread. He was - like all others, ultimately - an individuated soul directly derivative of the Creator. However, like myself, he did not intend to adhere to the orthodox transition among densities this time around. This is an option to all of us, most simply do not remember.

Q: Is it possible that a soul that has of complete the journey to the creator and be sent to earth to observe and correct mistakes made by other density beings only to return directly back to the creator. Like a special agent, of the Creator to bare witness to the process and correct any wrongs? Imbued with all the abilites of the highest order?

A: This is indeed possible. Any individuated soul may endeavor differently than what is provided by the orthodox Graduation system of incarnation. As such, it may incarnate directly from ultimate reunification with the Creator - the eighth and final density of experience to my knowledge - to individuated being wherever it so chooses. It is afforded a greater ease in circumventing the Veil of Forgetfulness, as well as in Creative actualization.

In the Law of One (i have read it over 10 times and know it quite well, but also do not subscribe to its diatribe.) There is no one book in all the World that contains all or the absolute truth, and personally i would rather think for myself. And be lead to by the Divine.

At the beginning there is a moment where there is a pause/comotion between forces. at the very beginning there is clearly opposing forces both making an effort to chanel. There is clearly a differnt presence being channeled at the start other than Ra. The pause and then Ra seemingly takes over. It is subtle, but noticeable. Who was the other entity?

Once Ra takes over, Ra says clearly at the beginning i am Ra, We are not of love and light but are here to instruct you in its ways. How can what is not of something, be able to instruct anyone in any shape or form about the nature and ways Love and Light?

A: When an incarnated soul opens itself to channeling, many entities will attempt to make contact. It takes a great deal of effort on both sides to maintain a steady "connection." From personal experience, this is overwhelmingly exhausting if done for prolonged periods of time in quick succession.

I am not aware of the particular entities attempting to make contact through channeling in place of Ra.

Ra says they are not of Love and Light to clarify they were not presently beholden to the density of experience in which those are the polarities. Note that they were mentioning only this, not the fundamental substrates and Law that compose the Creator and the Creation.

Q: A personal note, an honest dislcosure and some personal questions for me, as i was compelled to ask. Nobody has ever been able to answer these questions.

little while before the harvest happened, around 2008. is when i became "awaken" or activated. And, it really scared the s*** out of me to be honest. Simple thoughts would be made manifest, and then even larger thoughts. . I could see peoples energy signiture, i became very very intuitive, unmatchedd by any i have ever met anywhere on the net or in life. That is a fact! I knew all earth movements, all events in advance and it is around that time i begain to devour everything i could find on the internet about spiritual texts, ancient manuscripts etc. Although, i knew so many things that were in some texts EVEN the Law of One. Without ever reading them!!!! I actually had someone direct me to the Law of One because i was quoting some parts of it verbatium without ever knowing it existed. I mean i was preaching the talimud on a forum verbatim and i had no idea what the talmud was or that what I was saying was in anything previously written. How could i know this stuff??? And a seemingly over night.

A: It is indeed possible you decided to circumvent the orthodox incarnation experience of density Graduation and instead incarnated directly from the eighth density of experience without any "strings attached," if you will. As such, awakening to your nature and purpose here within incarnation, even if done unintentionally, can open you to a slew of experience and knowledge of which you may not have been consciously aware, before.

Like I mentioned above, the term "starseed" commonly refers to individuated souls of this nature. It may be the case that you have recently "awakened" to the nature of your purpose and presence here.

A personal question: why did this happen to me? Was it part of the harvest process? It was around 2008. What did i do, what ritual did i mistakenly do, to have this happen to me? Why do we have to experiance this alone?
I was just an ordinary Christian dude who did construction and went to church every sunday and didnt question reality at all. Then one day, i found this site, and a few others. I didnt post here for a couple years. Just watched then in 2008 all this the above happend.

I still have all these abilities but i have learned to control them much much better. I only use them when called by the Divine to do so. I have never, met anyone like me with my abilities. I have never charged money for the things i see and i have never recieved any compensation for helping anyone find their way.

A: The nature of awakening and all that it entails must be undergone alone as most that incarnate in the first place wish to do so differently than you - they wish to experience what the orthodox system of Graduation density may entail.

If any of this resonates with you, and if it were my position to do so, I would recommend a retreat of sorts. Take time for yourself, your passions, your soul callings and urges, and indulge in them to the fullest. Come to know and experience the Creator within and without. Then, once the fog clears, act as you have learned to be your path.

If you wish for a more thorough and in-depth conversation on this point, I would ask for a private message.

-The Era QA https://alastair.games/eracidni.html

Excellent delve into the material by S Fool, I would mention, up above.

Edit add 1 https://www.salrachele.com/webchanneling...ypart1.htm

I dont know the founders but the name fits.

Thanks to everyone who posted so far. A lot of good answers and great perspectives to take in and contemplate. This second link here about Founders resonates strongly and exactly corresponds to Lyssa Royal Holt's material on founders and early galactic history. Even up to the part of the first 3d organisms only starting 100 million years ago. The weird thing with that is Ra having lived billions of years ago in 3d, but I think it was part of some type of different larger cycle that was completed, who knows.

Another thing loosely related if anyone knows, it's bugging me because I can't remember what thread. I think somebody once raised the question if 7d and 8d ever "wander" into 3d. I believe there was a response to a link from a Confederation source saying that yes it's possible and happens.

(04-24-2021, 03:45 AM)Sacred Fool Wrote: [ -> ] 
Some related stuff.

Quote:91.2 Questioner: I have listed the different minds and would like to know if they are applied in this particular aspect: first, we have the cosmic mind which is, I would think, the same for all sub-Logo[i] like our sun. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

91.3 Questioner: The sub-Logos such as our sun, then, in creating Its own particular evolution of experience, refines the cosmic mind or, shall we say, articulates it by Its own additional bias or biases. Is this a correct observation?

Ra: I am Ra. It is a correct observation with the one exception that concerns the use of the term “addition,” which suggests the concept of that which is more than the all-mind. Instead, the archetypical mind is a refinement of the all-mind in a pattern peculiar to the sub-Logos choosing.

91.4 Questioner: Then the very next refinement that occurs as the cosmic mind is refined is what we call the archetypical mind. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. Yes.

Quote:81.33 Questioner: Actually, [I] don’t have much more on this except to make the assumption that there must have been some type of communication throughout the octave so that, when the first experiment became effective, the knowledge of this then spread rapidly through the octave and was picked up by other budding galactic spirals, you might say. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. To be aware of the nature of this communication is to be aware of the nature of the Logos. Much of what you call creation has never separated from the one Logos of this octave and resides within the One Infinite Creator. Communication in such an environment is the communication of cells of the body. That which is learned by one is known to all. The sub-Logoi, then, have been in the position of refining the discoveries of what might be called the earlier sub-Logoi. May we ask if we may answer any brief queries at this working?

Quote:82.12 Questioner: I was interested in specifically how this very first division showed up in this octave. I was interested to know if it made the transition through first, second, third, fourth, fifth, etc., densities? I would like to take the first mind/body/spirit complexes and trace their experience from the very start to the present so that I would better understand the condition that we are in now by comparing it with this original growth. Could you please tell me precisely how this came about as to the formation, possibly, of the planets and the growth through the densities, if that is the way it happened, please?

Ra: I am Ra. Your queries seem more confused than your basic mental distortions in this area. Let us speak in general and perhaps you may find a less confused and more simple method of eliciting information in this area.

A very great deal of creation was manifested without the use of the concepts involved in consciousness, as you know it. The creation itself is a form of consciousness which is unified, the Logos being the one great heart of creation. The process of evolution through this period, which may be seen to be timeless, is most valuable to take into consideration, for it is against the background of this essential unity of the fabric of creation that we find the ultimate development of the Logoi which chose to use that portion of the harvested consciousness of the Creator to move forward with the process of knowledge of self. As it had been found to be efficient to use the various densities, which are fixed in each octave, in order to create conditions in which self-conscious sub-Logoi could exist, this was carried out throughout the growing flower-strewn field, as your simile suggests, of the one infinite creation.

The first beings of mind, body, and spirit were not complex. The experience of mind/body/spirits at the beginning of this octave of experience was singular. There was no third-density forgetting. There was no veil. The lessons of third density are predestined by the very nature of the vibratory rates experienced during this particular density and by the nature of the quantum jump to the vibratory experiences of fourth density.

  

This is particularly helpful, thanks.

There was an older cartoon called Aeon Flux. I never saw it, but it had this lady catch a fly with her eyelashes
in the intro.

I have a somewhat different slant to offer here. I am familiar with the Gnostic Aeons in some small way. They are particularly mentioned in the Secret Book of John.

I think it's difficult to create a parallel between these teachings and what's contained in the Ra Material, but I have some thoughts.

Within the Gnostic structure there are Four Luminaries, which are considered the primary Aeons, each with 3 "sub-Aeons" which stem from the primary. There is then a Fifth Aeon (well actually the "first") which sort of oversees the rest.

However, it also refers to the Limitless Light as the "head of all Aeons". I think that it is along the right lines to parallel it with the concept of Logos/Sub-Logos in the Ra Material but with a bit of caveat. I think think Logoi are a "focus" or coalescence within an Aeon, and I would describe an Aeon as being something like an "universe being", it is the beingness of the Octave Universe in this case. There are infinite Octave universes, but octaves are not the only universes.

Quote:78.22 Questioner: I did not understand that. Could you say that in a different way?

Ra: I am Ra. As you have noted, the creation of which your Logos is a part is a protean entity which grows and learns upon a macrocosmic scale. The Logos is not a part of time. All that is learned from experience in an octave is, therefore, the harvest of that Logos and is, further, the nature of that Logos.

The original Logos’ experience was, viewed in space/time, small; Its experience now, more.

Therefore, we say, as we now speak to you at this space/time, the nature of creation is as we have described. This does not deny the process by which this nature has been achieved but merely ratifies the product.

If I were to give it a word that is in line with the material I would call an Aeon a "Super-Logos".

What's very interesting is that this is characterized as a feminine (but considered androgynous) consciousness named Barbelo whom has 'perfect Power', the 'perfect Aeon of Glory', and is essentially the operative intelligence of the Limitless Light. I would equate this with the three part One Infinite Creator that Ra describes, that is, the self-contained unity of intelligent infinity, intelligent energy and limitless light. The First/Fifth Aeon.

The word Aeon is used for multiple things which gets confusing. The Aeon Barbelo also has 10 Aeons. These Aeons are considered dual, that is the Five all have masculine and feminine manifestations and so total Ten, which is of course can be viewed as a numerological basis. These are more like concepts, such as "Thought", "First Knowledge", "Eternal Life", "Imperishability", etc.

Then the combined other 4 have 12 beneath them, so you can maybe see some parallels with four elements and the zodiac.

Our world, this Creation is considered to be a creation of Sophia, the Aeon of Wisdom, which is part of the Aeon of Eleleth. As the story goes, Sophia desired to create something, but did it without her masculine half and out of this was born the Demiurge Ialdeboath, the being which created the world of matter we all physically inhabit. One interpretation in terms of the material could be viewing the Demiurge as the "Veil" in the Ra Material, and look up the concept of the 'dweller at the threshold'.

I think a fruitful way to look at the Aeons is also archetypally, for I believe it is from the Super-Logos or Aeons that the Logoi gain 'inspiration'.

There is also a common occurrence of Aeons creating new Aeons, much like the concept of Logos and sub-Logoi.

It is also worth noting that the creation of Ialdebaoth by Sophia (Wisdom) was an attempt to "let a copy appear out of herself", but "the Spirit did not agree with her" and so it was formed from Limited Light rather than Limitless Light. Since her desire was so strong she couldn't hold back the creation and she emanated Ialdebaoth as the First Archon. It is said, "from his mother he drew great power and he withdrew from her", while also saying she pushed it away from her, away from where the other immortals could see it.

It is perhaps worth noting then how the negative polarity in the Ra Material is often characterized as emphasizing wisdom and cleverness at the cost of compassion. Essentially, Ialebaoth creates an imitation of the Creation formed by the Limitless Light, the idea that the material realm is basically an imperfect 'copy' of the perfect divine realms. Once he learns of the Limitless Light and that he does not possess it, he becomes jealous of Adam and lusts after Eve.

It is maybe interesting to note that Ialdebaoth is said to have seduced Eve and produced two children, "Yahweh, with a face like a bear, and Elohim, with a face like a cat, but one is righteous while the other is unrighteous. Elohim is the righteous, Yahweh the unrighteous." So, for those familiar with the role of Yahweh in the Ra Material, there is that...

Anyways, I'll be here all day if I keep going, I'll stop there. Here is the Secret Book of John for your perusal and an excerpt where the Luminary Aeons are described.

http://gnosis.org/naghamm/apocjn-davies.html

Quote:Tertiary Structures of the Divine Mind

The Holy Spirit
Brought his and Barbelo’s divine autogenes Son to completion
In order that he could stand before the great Invisible Virgin Spirit
As the divine autogenes Christ
And honor Him with a mighty voice.

[The Son came through Providence].

The Invisible Spirit
Placed the divine autogenes over everything.
All authorities were subordinated to him.
The truth within him let him learn everything

[He is called by the highest name of all.
That name will be told only to those who are worthy to hear it
From the light, [which is the Christ,]

From the incorruptibility,
Through a gift of the spirit
The Four Lights arising from the divine autogenes stood before him.

[The four fundamental powers are Understanding, Grace, Perception, and Consideration.]

Grace exists within the realm of the Light called Harmozel, the first angel.
Along with Harmozel are
Grace
Truth
Form

The second Light is called Oriel and it stands over the second realm.
With Oriel are:
Conceptualization (Epinoia)
Perception
Memory

The third Light is called Daveithai and it stands over the third realm.
With Daveithai are:
Understanding
Love
Idea

The fourth Light is called Eleleth and it stands over the fourth realm.
With Eleleth are:
Perfection
Peace
Wisdom (Sophia).

These are the four lights standing before the divine autogenes.

Twelve realms stand before the Son of the Powerful
The autogenes
The Christ
Through the intention
And the grace
Of the Invisible Spirit
Twelve realms belong to the Son of the autogenes.

[All of this came into being through the intention of the Holy Spirit
Through the autogenes.]

From the perfect mind’s foreknowledge
Through the intention of the Invisible Spirit
And the autogenes’s will.
The perfect human appeared,
Its first true manifestation

The Virgin Spirit named the human Adamas
And placed him over the first realm with the mighty autogenes Christ
With the first Light Harmozel and its powers.

The Invisible One gave Adamas invincible power of mind.

Adamas spoke, glorifying and praising the Invisible Spirit:
“Everything has come into being from you
Everything will return to you.
I will praise you and glorify you
And the Autogenes
And the triple realm:
Father – Mother – Son,
the perfect power.”

Over the second realm was appointed Adamas’s son Seth
With the second Light Oriel.

In the third realm were placed the children of Seth
With the third Light Daveithai.
[The souls of the saints are placed there.]

In the fourth realm were placed the souls of those ignorant of the fullness
Those who did not repent at once
But who, after some time, eventually repented,
They are with the fourth Light Eleleth.

All of these created beings glorify the Invisible Spirit

I'm not sure about the Confederation's perspective but I understand an Aeon as an emanation of the infinite creator. Kind of like a frequency.
Physical manifestations of the one can resonate with and exist in harmony with a chosen frequency but that specific pocket or channel, is eternally present as an Aeon or available perspective of eternity.
I called my 8 year old son, Aeon heh.