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Ebe

Dear members,
I'd love to start a conversation about what the hidden/deepest causes of fibromyalgia. As a patient myself, I've got my opinions, which come from an entire life of research in the less-than-material aspects of life and self-listening. To respect your personal views, I'd wait to post them until some of you join the thread, if that complies with the rules of the forum.
Please note that I'm not an English native speaker so from time to time my sentences may sound a bit awkward.
Thanks in advance to anyone that will answer, I would appreciate it a lot.
(06-13-2021, 09:34 AM)Ebe Wrote: [ -> ]I'd love to start a conversation about what the hidden/deepest causes of fibromyalgia. 

In my opinion, the hidden/deepest causes of any physical imbalance in the body must be a very personal thing—no two people would be the same. The world is complex and there are a lot of pollutants in our environment, in our food and water, thoughts, beliefs, pre-incarnative choices—all which might contribute to any illness or challenge.

So, in analyzing your own situation, what are your feelings about it? 

Ebe

Indeed, we are all different and there are many factors affecting us at various levels but I suspect a common mechanism for all FM patients.
My personal feelings about the causes are 1) feeling of not being part of the Whole b) feeling of fear 3) being a HSP. No. 1 is the cause for any dis-ease and problem on this level of reality, we know that. The other two are specifically mine but, in my experience, may be applied to many, many others. We HPS pack so many shocks and traumas at so many levels - the fact of being "different" being not the least important - that at some point we cannot process them. We are overwhelmed and simply sink into physical saturation because of too many stimuli.
There are studies that link FM and being an HSP but the doctor who started them had a stroke and stopped her research. I say fear as a general cause because fear is the closest feeling to our symptoms - muscle tension, numbness, cold, restlessness and so on.
What do you think?
Although I do not know in depth FM. I would say you have something right about fear, Ebe, when I think about friends who have it, at least about its role in sometimes developing symptoms.

There are some interesting articles on greenmedinfo.com, in case it would be of interest.

Definitely, I think, what Diana has mentioned about preincarnative choices.

Heart

Ebe

(06-13-2021, 05:50 PM)flofrog Wrote: [ -> ]There are some interesting articles on greenmedinfo.com, in case it would be of interest.
Definitely, I think, what Diana has mentioned about preincarnative choices.
Heart

Thank you. I gave a glance at greenmedinfo.com but there is nothing new to me, unfortunately I'm super well-informed on the subject (I say unfortunately because I had to, due to the disease).
Preincarnative choices were my first thought and yes, it can be that such a horrid disease may originate before birth, but, were it the case, I'd love to know for what purpose, to learn what lesson - the reason being: once learned the lesson, a way to heal is found. Or not? Am I wrong in that?
I analyzed and scrutinized every corner of my life, every memory from present, past and previous lives, my family entourage, my ideas, my feelings but I don't seem I can find the X moment. All I gathered revolves about fear: fear for my life, fear of being denied the right to be, fear from the very beginning. So I started thinking that I can't heal and it's better if I accept the present state as it is; so I only turned to finding ways to make FM tolerable, which it seems I could find only very recently.
Any comments?
The only person I know of with FM gave me the impression that it relates to not being well in your own skin and having had strong self-destructive tendencies. That's surface perception tough, so perhaps just more of the effects from the same cause.

A lot of our issues come from early childhood, which we do not remember. So I would guess it's hard for the conscious mind to find the moment that may have created the pattern. Even if it is a pre-incarnative choice, it does not mean it does not originate within the lifetime. From my experience, we make use of the veil of confusion to set moments in which we will perceive things in a certain way and set a pattern in motion. The healing of early childhood trauma can't be done efficiently from the rational mind, because it is not in such a state of mind that things took effect. Recently I've been watching videos from Gabor Maté on youtube, he explains that when we are very young it is built in us for survival to prioritize relationships over authenticity. So if at such a young age we were made to feel by our parents that if we were ourselves, we would not be loved and would be forsaken, then we automatically will prioritize the relationship and repress our nature. This is the reason it is always said that our deepest traumas originate from childhood, because in early childhood we do not have the ability to prioritize being authentic. Gabor seemed to say that a lot of auto-immune diseases relate to repressed anger. He makes a clear distinction between healthy anger and toxic anger, allowing healthy anger to flow being necessary to be healthy in our bodies. So, if for example you would say you are someone that never gets angry when they should, then that would be a direction of look at. You could think that it's great to be someone without anger and believe you are really without it, but that is not humanely possible, hence why it just hints to that it is repressed. The disease does look like unwell repressed energy that affects the body.

Ebe

(06-14-2021, 10:30 AM)Minyatur Wrote: [ -> ]The only person I know of with FM gave me the impression that it relates to not being well in your own skin and having had strong self-destructive tendencies. [...]

A lot of our issues come from early childhood, which we do not remember. [...] The disease does look like unwell repressed energy that affects the body.
Thank you. Of course, I know and I'm well aware it's all that and possibly more. The actual problem is to help the body regain its original good functioning. I know that one can straighten a tilted tree but only from a certain point on, the crooked part will stay crooked. Eh! (sigh).
From an energetic standpoint, fibromyalgia is pain from the nerves, and is systemic rather than specific. The nerves are associated with the planet mercury, which rules communication.

Looking at my family and friends that have or had FM, while fear is always a factor, I think there was more importantly a general issue with the body and physical feelings. A general malaise, lethargy, or lack of movement is common as well.

I personally think there is some deeper relationship with the communication of the mind and spirit with the body complex, which may be related to in general ignoring signals from the body and instead seeking to dull the senses. A common example of a co-morbid condition which often accompanies FM is restless leg syndrome. The syndrome is basically the body communicating that there is a lack of movement to drive necessary circulation on a chronic basis in the legs. While most people use drugs to ignore this symptom, the natural solution is to increase the amount of movement on a daily basis. This is an example of the type of

On a physical level I think the nutritional aspect of the disease, and this is my own personal theory, is that a longstanding diet which is high in polyunsaturated fat has caused the body to replace the saturated fat in the myelin sheaths of the nerves with polyunsaturated fat, which is much more heat sensitive and oxidizes much more easily and quickly. Possible nutritional intervention would be consistent dosages of free radical scavengers that can reach the nerve tissues, and long term avoiding all but necessary polyunsaturated fat and replacing that with saturated and mono unsaturated fat.
Thank you Dtris, such an interesting point of view, this oxidizing…

Ebe, I know you probably have studied everything so deeply that our ideas are probably just something you have already integrated. Just as I discovered something in my case, who knows, a tiny element could add. I had a small heart attack at the end of March. I switched from mainly vegetarian diet , but with mountains of butter croissants and butter on everything, to full plant based only.. I have to say that lunch consisting of toasted sourdough country bread with half avocado, olive oil, and tablespoon of flax seeds changed my life, lol.

Though it might go counter wise to what Dtris offered on polyunsaturated, now that I think of it.

Ebe

(06-17-2021, 12:08 PM)Dtris Wrote: [ -> ]From an energetic standpoint, fibromyalgia is pain from the nerves, and is systemic rather than specific.
On a physical level I think the nutritional aspect of the disease, and this is my own personal theory [...]

Thanks but no, what you say about diet is not my case. And sorry, I can't understand what you say in the first line. I mean, I do understand the language but I can't get the meaning.

Ebe

Quote:Ebe, I know you probably have studied everything so deeply that our ideas are probably just something you have already integrated.  
Ehm... You guessed it right. I'm absolutely far from the idea of sounding offensive but I'm not here to get advices. I've got three wonderful specialists who help me with acupuncture and homeopathy and physiotherapy, I am no taking chemicals, I do QiQong and I try to move as much as I can - but FM is not my only health issue, I've got a seriously herniated disk. What I was/am asking are ideas about possible hidden/less-than-physical causes.
(06-17-2021, 12:55 PM)Ebe Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-17-2021, 12:08 PM)Dtris Wrote: [ -> ]From an energetic standpoint, fibromyalgia is pain from the nerves, and is systemic rather than specific.
On a physical level I think the nutritional aspect of the disease, and this is my own personal theory [...]

Thanks but no, what you say about diet is not my case. And sorry, I can't understand what you say in the first line. I mean, I do understand the language but I can't get the meaning.

I probably didn't punctuate that correctly. The energetic aspect is connected to the planet of Mercury, which in western alchemy rules the nerves as well as communication. In Ra terms communication is related to the Blue energy center or throat chakra. In this case it is the communication of the nerves within the body complex. Energetically it could be related to some kind of blockage regarding that communication.

In the case of people I know with the condition, the general lack of movement is a common theme. You said that you are now doing physio and qigong, I am curious if you have always been active or not? I have never known anyone who has reversed the condition but I know there is some success the tai chi and qigong in managing symptoms. There may be some other ways that this manifests as a communication issue between body and mind/spirit than just lethargy, that particular item is just one I have noticed in the lives of those close to me.

Ebe

Quote:I'm thinking it is possible that psychedelics can be helpful with that
Oh no, not me! Never in my life I considered the idea of turning to psychedelics to solve problems and I won't start now. I respect my dignity too much and I know too much of their effects to be so self-humiliating and naive as to use them.
You meant well, so I'm striving to dominate my feelings but I have to say your post affected me so much that it made me want to run from these forums. If I'm in the wrong place, let me know, I may as well go easily and without fuss. No more of that, thank you.

Ebe

Quote: I am curious if you have always been active or not?
Sorry, I have to stop you, I don't like this investigation. I'm here as to discuss the topic IN GENERAL.

Ebe

As far as I'm concerned, this thread ends here, thank you. If I knew how to delete the thread, I'd do.

Ebe

(06-17-2021, 01:04 PM)Ebe Wrote: [ -> ]
Quote:Ebe, I know you probably have studied everything so deeply that our ideas are probably just something you have already integrated.  
Ehm... You guessed it right. I'm absolutely far from the idea of sounding offensive but I'm not here to get advices. I've got three wonderful specialists who help me with acupuncture and homeopathy and physiotherapy, I am no taking chemicals, I do QiQong and I try to move as much as I can - but FM is not my only health issue, I've got  a seriously herniated disk. What I was/am asking are ideas about possible hidden/less-than-physical causes.
(06-18-2021, 04:16 AM)Ebe Wrote: [ -> ]
Quote:I'm thinking it is possible that psychedelics can be helpful with that
Oh no, not me! Never in my life I considered the idea of turning to psychedelics to solve problems and I won't start now. I respect my dignity too much and I know too much of their effects to be so self-humiliating and naive as to use them.
You meant well, so I'm striving to dominate my feelings but I have to say your post affected me so much that it made me want to run from these forums. If I'm in the wrong place, let me know, I may as well go easily and without fuss. No more of that, thank you.

I had hesitated to share that because they are mostly still illegal at the time and do have a bad name still. It is really out of my own extensive experiences with them that I felt I had to share. Scientific articles are also coming out for their potential as cure for multiple things, including auto-immune diseases. They have already been clinically known to be helpful with mental illnesses like depression, PTSD and other things, but for more physical illnesses the research still needs to be done although they are said to be a good potential treatment for multiple things that have none right now. I personally do hope in some years to see them being used as legal treatments, once the research advances and their healing potential is further brought to the light. Then people may be able use them in safe environments, while possibly nulling the hallucination aspect of it.

In my initial writing, I was sharing about my own experiences of having my dad try them because of his Alzheimer's disease and how it turned into a 5 hours long therapy, in which he would burst into tears times and times again as his mind reviewed his life regrets. It was a single experience with a somewhat small dose, so it did not have a great impact on his memory and cognitive abilities once the effects went away, but it did seem to have revived a spark within him and he's become much more active in trying to use his mind afterwards, where before he felt like he was drifting towards his decay and was blind to his own condition. In the following weeks, he has thanked me nearly 50 times for having brought him that experience and kept saying how meaningful it was to him. But like I said, someone experienced was important because for 5 hours I was a pure beacon of light and unconditional acceptance that was guiding him through what he was experiencing. The reason I wanted to try was because of my own experiences in how I've felt they give a certain rebirth to the brain and its connection with the body, while after when I did some research I did find they have studied their neurogenesis and neuroplasticity effects in mice and had started official clinical trials for this treatment in last December, of which the results should come out in 2 years. My dad also has chronic headaches and arthritis, and they are known to have an effect in a receptor in the brain that controls inflammation in the body.

My post did not respect the guidelines. So more than you being in the wrong place, I was and I am deeply sorry it made you feel the way it did as it really was not my intent. I don't mean to incite you with this second post and more share of myself, where I come from and why I may have shared what I did.

Ebe

Quote: I did find they have studied their neurogenesis and neuroplasticity effects in mice [...]
My post did not respect the guidelines. So more than you being in the wrong place, I was and I am deeply sorry it made you feel the way it did as it really was not my intent. [...]

OK, I take your apologies into account. Yet...The truth is I'm a HUMAN being, I'm neither a mouse nor have a mouse physiology.
Please say no more.
(06-18-2021, 04:19 AM)Ebe Wrote: [ -> ]
Quote: I am curious if you have always been active or not?
Sorry, I have to stop you, I don't like this investigation. I'm here as to discuss  the topic IN GENERAL.

Then you are free to respond to any other part of my posts so far which has all been general information. You provided personal information first, if you don't want to share that is perfectly fine, but you should be aware that people could ask about your personal experience especially after you volunteer information, that is the nature of freedom, just as they are free to ask you are free to not respond. You can't control what someone posts online, once a thread is started it gains its own life. Also a friendly piece of advice, this is about the most polite forum you will find on the internet, if you do not want personal questions just say so up front, no one will have an issue with it.
(06-18-2021, 02:53 PM)Ebe Wrote: [ -> ]
Quote: I did find they have studied their neurogenesis and neuroplasticity effects in mice [...]
My post did not respect the guidelines. So more than you being in the wrong place, I was and I am deeply sorry it made you feel the way it did as it really was not my intent. [...]

OK, I take your apologies into account. Yet...The truth is I'm a HUMAN being, I'm neither a mouse nor have a mouse physiology.
Please say no more.

Minyatur did apologize very respectfully. And pharmaceuticals rely on mouse trials—though I do not agree with this practice.

I did know someone who developed fibromyalgia. She was in a car accident and hit the steering wheel. She had breast implants and they were burst. This caused an extreme case of fibromyalgia, and my friend did some research since which revealed that leaking breast implants do contribute to this condition. So, not to suggest that you have breast implants, but introduction into the system of toxins of some kind may have some relevancy.

Ebe

After days and days of unpleasant feelings and much thinking, I decided to write the following, I don't want to be rude but I want to be adamant on that.
I see my attempt to discuss the topic from a strictly metaphysical perspective is not understood.
I'm not here to discuss my state of health or to find suggestions for possibly effective treatments or to read medical hypotheses involving diet or toxins or lack of movement or whatever. I'm here to discuss the possible non-physical causes of FM. If this topic is of common interest, OK, that's great; if not, OK, that's great all the same. If someone can contribute in this direction, I  welcome any future discussion; otherwise I will not answer.
I hope I made this point unmistakably clear.
(06-22-2021, 09:35 AM)Ebe Wrote: [ -> ]After days and days of unpleasant feelings and much thinking, I decided to write the following, I don't want to be rude but I want to be adamant on that.
I see my attempt to discuss the topic from a strictly metaphysical perspective is not understood.
I'm not here to discuss my state of health or to find suggestions for possibly effective treatments or to read medical hypotheses involving diet or toxins or lack of movement or whatever. I'm here to discuss the possible non-physical causes of FM. If this topic is of common interest, OK, that's great; if not, OK, that's great all the same. If someone can contribute in this direction, I  welcome any future discussion; otherwise I will not answer.
I hope I made this point unmistakably clear.

Hey there Ebe, welcome to the forums, I do have some thoughts along these lines I hope might be along those lines of thinking.

My Mom was diagnosed with fibromyalgia for years until a year or so ago her diagnosis was changed to central pain syndrome so I considered a lot about what might be the metaphysical nature of it. These are of course just my own ponderings, but I do have some training in metaphysical 'healing' I draw from.

Forgive me for waxing philosophical here, but I feel it is necessary in order to look at the metaphysical side. What is meant when one talks about health in general? The word health comes from germanic 'haelth' which is related to wholeness, or something being whole. Whole and complete is akin to the idea of Oneness. In the Ra Material, there is a very straightforward notion of healing which is related to wholeness.

Quote:4.20 Questioner: My objective is primarily to discover more of the Law of One, and it would be very helpful to discover techniques of healing. I am aware of your problem with respect to free will. Can you make— You cannot make suggestions, so I will ask you if you can state the Law of One and the laws of healing to me?

Ra: I am Ra. The Law of One, though beyond the limitations of name, as you call vibratory sound complexes, may be approximated by stating that all things are one, that there is no polarity, no right or wrong, no disharmony, but only identity. All is one, and that one is love/light, light/love, the Infinite Creator.

One of the primal distortions of the Law of One is that of healing. Healing occurs when a mind/body/spirit complex realizes, deep within itself, the Law of One; that is, that there is no disharmony, no imperfection; that all is complete and whole and perfect. Thus, the intelligent infinity within this mind/body/spirit complex re-forms the illusion of body, mind, or spirit to a form congruent with the Law of One. The healer acts as energizer or catalyst for this completely individual process.

One item which may be of interest is that a healer asking to learn must take the distortion understood as responsibility for that ask/receiving, thus healing. This is a[n] honor/duty which must be carefully considered in free will before the asking.

Thus, stemming from this idea then is that any state which is not complete, whole and perfect is privy to illness or imbalance. This has been described in many metaphysical healing modalities, as well as traditional chinese medicine, as relating to the flow of life energy through the body. There is a common notion of energy being "blocked" or stagnant or 'caught' in different areas of the body/energy field. In the Ra Material they refer to these as the energy centers, but the concept is much older than the material and is well known especially through yoga (chakras) and qi gong (gates).

Life energy or qi/chi/prana/sacred breath/inner fire/etc/intelligent energy/etc, is considered to be tied to the circulatory system in particular, but there is a relationship between the blood and the nervous system. Electricity doesn't actually "move through" nerves, just like it doesn't actually travel 'through' wires. Rather, wires and nerves act as focal lines around which electrical energy can gather and move in a vector (direction). Nerves provide the 'channel' along which electrical energy can flow through the body but blood is what creates the 'direction' of flow of force.

However, the blood is 'controlled' or regulated by the heart, which isn't a 'pump' it appears but a more complex system which operates through spiral motion. All blood spirals through the body, and this, I believe, is a physical reflection of the 'spiraling light' which is the driving impetus or primum mobile of the spirit.

Quote:13.17 Questioner: Does this first density then progress to greater awareness?

Ra: The spiraling energy, which is the characteristic of what you call light, moves in straight-line spiral, thus giving spirals an inevitable vector upwards to a more comprehensive beingness with regards to intelligent infinity. Thus, first dimensional beingness strives towards the second-density lessons of a type of awareness which includes growth rather than dissolution or random change.

So the reason I have focused on this concept of electrical energy here is to make the connection with the concept of resistance and the relationship with this idea to pain. The ideas of pain have been slowly changing, where it used to be considered that all pain was rooted in some form of physical damaging, more and more it is being discovered the huge role the mind has in the experience of pain.

On a physical level, it seems to me to be where the energy in the body isn't able to be grounded out and instead it continues circulating, but this energy comes from 'catalyst'.

Quote:33.14 Questioner: OK. What I would like for you to do is list all the major mechanisms designed to provide catalytic experience that do not include interaction with other-self. That’s the first part of the question I’ll ask.

Ra: I am Ra. We grasp from this question that you realize that the primary mechanism for catalytic experience in third density is other-self. The list of other catalytic influences: firstly, the Creator’s universe; secondly, the self.

33.15 Questioner: Can you list any sub-headings under the self that would . . . or ways that the self is acted on catalytically to produce experience?

Ra: I am Ra. Firstly, the self unmanifested. Secondly, the self in relation to the societal self created by self and other-self. Thirdly, the interaction between self and the gadgets, toys, and amusements of the self/other-self invention. Fourthly, the self relationship with those attributes which you may call war and rumors of war.

33.16 Questioner: I was thinking possibly the catalyst of physical pain. How does this . . . Does this go under this heading?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct, it going under the heading of the unmanifested self; that is, the self which does not need other-self in order to manifest or act.

Thus, here it is talking about pain generated in the self, by the self, for the sake of catalytic experience. Coming back to the idea of resistance, I believe strongly that this is related to the experience of pain in all forms. I would almost even go as far as to say that pain is the 'effect' of resistance to the processing of catalyst, of experience. This resistance manifests in our body as pain. However, what might be the object of resistance in cases such as with FM?

From what I have seen, it seems a lot of individuals with FM have experienced trauma (perhaps it may not even need to be of this particular lifetime) and this could certainly be a cause for resistance. Resistance is also related to the idea of being 'shielded', and if you want to protect something from an electrical current you need high resistance. However, this to me still doesn't quite fill out the picture. The pain of resistance isn't actually in the resistance itself, but rather in the fragmented or 'breaks' in the complete or whole sense of self which obscures the view of perfection of spirit.

Quote:66.14 Questioner: Would you explain that last comment about the configuration in time/space?

Ra: I am Ra. Healing is done in the time/space portion of the mind/body/spirit complex, is adopted by the form-making, or etheric, body and is then given to the space/time physical illusion for use in the activated yellow-ray mind/body/spirit complex. It is the adoption of the configuration which you call health by the etheric body in time/space which is the key to what you call health, not any event which occurs in space/time.

In this process you may see the transdimensional aspect of what you call will, for it is the will, the seeking, the desire of the entity which causes the indigo body to use the novel configuration and to reform the body which exists in space/time. This is done in an instant and may be said to operate without regard to time.

We may note that in the healing of very young children there is often an apparent healing by the healer in which the young entity has no part. This is never so, for the mind/body/spirit complex in time/space is always capable of willing the distortions it chooses for experience no matter what the apparent age, as you call it, of the entity.

75.35 Questioner: May anyone in third density accomplish some degree of healing if they have the proper will, desire, and polarity, or is there a minimal balance of the energy centers of the healer that is also necessary?

Ra: I am Ra. Any entity may, at any time, instantaneously clear and balance its energy centers. Thus in many cases those normally quite blocked, weakened, and distorted may, through love and strength of will, become healers momentarily. To be a healer by nature one must indeed train its self in the disciplines of the personality

This first bit here is a bit to chew on, but my take on it is essentially that our etheric or energetic body takes its form by the projection of its image from our own self-consciousness.

We can through realization and projection upon it a perfected form bring our physical bodies in to alignment with the vision projected on to the etheric (or astral as some might call it).

In a very rudimentary sense, the way we imagine ourselves has a very incredibly powerful affect on the way we experience ourselves, physically, mentally and spiritually.

This concept is explored in Buddhist context through the concept of the Vajra Body which you may find interesting.

https://www.tibetanmedicine-edu.org/n-ar...vajra-body

On the other hand, if one believes in past lives, there is also the possibility that one is still processing pain and trauma from previous experiences, and because the conscious mind has been unable to keep up it has overflown in to the body. For many if not the majority of people, they do not want to look at mental pain, they do not want to experience the painful emotions that come with painful thoughts. Over time, when they consume the mind, they appear in the body. I think it is actually not so easy at all to accept one's pain, and even more difficult to make changes in one's life that are in acknowledgement of that pain.

In general, I think pain is telling us that something is not 'right'. I'm not sure that it's possible for just anyone to suddenly override their pain, but I also wonder if sometimes it's an innate spiritual response to the suffering and pain that exists in this world. Everyone I've ever met with FM (and actually I experience undiagnosed chronic pain with many matching symptoms) has been an incredibly sensitive individual and I have wondered if maybe it is possibly a side effect of uncontrolled empathy. Maybe some people just absorb so much chaos off of others that it bounces around their system constantly. This could be a 'grounding' issue.

In a way, the idea of flow being blocked (or overloaded) and getting caught up and rattling around the system makes sense for a constant state of flare.

Pain seems to be some kind of communication from the subconscious mind to the body, then to the conscious mind. In general the spirit is not usually seen as experiencing pain, but there are some philosophies which view it as experiencing pain while being incarnate. Perhaps then some such pain is the spirit crying out, yearning to be all that it is?

Not sure if any of that gives you any useful ideas, like I said these are just my ponderings and I'm not sure I have any real conclusions here, but maybe some food for thought. Hope you are well, peace to you.
These are quite wonderful Aion, even just in a general sense. Thank you. Love to you Ebe.

Ebe

I'm deeply moved by the amount of time you spent to answer my question, I find it very sweet and humane.
I totally agree. If you saw one of my previous posts, you should have seen I wrote: "My personal feelings about the causes are 1) feeling of not being part of the Whole b) feeling of fear 3) being a HSP. No. 1) is the cause for any dis-ease and problem on this level of reality, we know that. The other two are specifically mine but, in my experience, may be applied to many, many others. We HPS pack so many shocks and traumas at so many levels " [...] I have to confess I always hoped, maybe in a naive and childish way, to find out more. Unfortunately, I asked to be removed from these forums, so I won't be here to further comment on possible new answers but I think I'll be able to read. It seems this thing is something I have to figure out on my own...
Blessings to all.
(06-23-2021, 12:17 PM)Aion Wrote: [ -> ]This first bit here is a bit to chew on, but my take on it is essentially that our etheric or energetic body takes its form by the projection of its image from our own self-consciousness.

We can through realization and projection upon it a perfected form bring our physical bodies in to alignment with the vision projected on to the etheric (or astral as some might call it).

In a very rudimentary sense, the way we imagine ourselves has a very incredibly powerful affect on the way we experience ourselves, physically, mentally and spiritually.

This concept is explored in Buddhist context through the concept of the Vajra Body which you may find interesting.

https://www.tibetanmedicine-edu.org/n-ar...vajra-body

On the other hand, if one believes in past lives, there is also the possibility that one is still processing pain and trauma from previous experiences, and because the conscious mind has been unable to keep up it has overflown in to the body. For many if not the majority of people, they do not want to look at mental pain, they do not want to experience the painful emotions that come with painful thoughts. Over time, when they consume the mind, they appear in the body. I think it is actually not so easy at all to accept one's pain, and even more difficult to make changes in one's life that are in acknowledgement of that pain.

In general, I think pain is telling us that something is not 'right'. I'm not sure that it's possible for just anyone to suddenly override their pain, but I also wonder if sometimes it's an innate spiritual response to the suffering and pain that exists in this world. Everyone I've ever met with FM (and actually I experience undiagnosed chronic pain with many matching symptoms) has been an incredibly sensitive individual and I have wondered if maybe it is possibly a side effect of uncontrolled empathy. Maybe some people just absorb so much chaos off of others that it bounces around their system constantly. This could be a 'grounding' issue.

In a way, the idea of flow being blocked (or overloaded) and getting caught up and rattling around the system makes sense for a constant state of flare.

Pain seems to be some kind of communication from the subconscious mind to the body, then to the conscious mind. In general the spirit is not usually seen as experiencing pain, but there are some philosophies which view it as experiencing pain while being incarnate. Perhaps then some such pain is the spirit crying out, yearning to be all that it is?

Not sure if any of that gives you any useful ideas, like I said these are just my ponderings and I'm not sure I have any real conclusions here, but maybe some food for thought. Hope you are well, peace to you.

One of the things I see all the time in current society is the personalization of illnesses. People refer to it as "MY Fibro", or "My Sciatica", or "My Bipolar", or "My Cancer." This is encouraged in commercials and culture which says things like, "Your cancer is not like anyone else's." This language shows an internal acceptance and ownership of the condition. Essentially the subconscious mind has integrated the state of illness or disease as part of the individual.

This makes it part of the Ego self as well. Once an illness, condition or disease has been accepted by the ego an made an integral part of identity it will be much more difficult to heal. The Ego and subconscious now have a vested interest in keeping that illness as removal or healing will be felt as removing part of the self.

This makes an interesting state when to heal the condition must be accepted first, so it can be processed, but at the same time it should not be integrated into the self image. For myself this has meant accepting the current condition and the perfection of the condition at this point in time as being part of the wisdom of the body and experience, and understanding that the body can heal when that condition is no longer needed.
Hi Ebe, thank you for opening up discussion about this topic. When it comes to metaphysical reasons for an illness, I think nothing beats one's own intuition into their condition. I think it can take some time to really dive deeply into the self to find the answers one seeks, but it is my opinion that this is where the best insight can come from. The insights you have shared already are valuable, and I suspect that they could also potentially help others who may come across this thread. So thank you for your contributions. 

I have very little knowledge of this specific condition, so what I offer below is just very general information surrounding illness, and some potential roots in the metaphysical as given in the Law of One.

I think that it is possible that being someone who is extra sensitive to metaphysical energies in the environment makes them more susceptible to certain illnesses. Even wanderers can experience physical ailments in response to the planetary vibrations that they are not accustomed to.

Quote:12.30 Questioner: [I just had a] thought. Do any of these Wanderers have physical ailments in this Earth situation?

Ra: I am Ra. Due to the extreme variance between the vibratory distortions of third density and those of the more dense densities, if you will, Wanderers have as a general rule some form of handicap, difficulty, or feeling of alienation which is severe. The most common of these difficulties are alienation, the reaction against the planetary vibration by personality disorders, as you would call them, and body complex ailments indicating difficulty in adjustment to the planetary vibrations such as allergies, as you would call them.

Carla who was the channel for the Law of One also experienced various physical ailments, and Ra would speak about the metaphysical roots to her ailments periodically. These are a few things Ra said specifically to her.

Quote:98.5 ... The allergy may be seen to be the rejection upon a deep level of the mind complex of the environment of the mind/body/spirit complex. Thus the allergy may be seen in its pure form as the mental/emotional distortion of the deeper self.

Quote:106.2 Questioner: By “marginal,” do you mean that… Well, let me put it this way. What would the instrument do to make the marginal condition much better?

Ra: I am Ra. The instrument is proceeding through a portion of the incarnational experience during which the potential for mortal distortion of the left renal system is great. Less important, but adding to the marginality of distortion towards viability, are severe allergic reactions and the energizing of this and other distortions towards weakness/strength. The mental/emotional complex is engaged in what may best be termed inappropriate compassion.

Quote:63.3 Questioner: You are saying that the instrument itself then created the kidney problem at that time?

Ra: I am Ra. The instrument’s desire to leave this density lowered the defenses of an already predisposed weak body complex, and an allergic reaction was so intensified as to cause the complications which distorted the body complex towards unviability. The will of the instrument, when it found that there was indeed work to be done in service, was again the guiding factor or complex of vibratory patterns which kept the body complex from surrendering to dissolution of the ties which cause the vitality of life.

And this is where Ra speaks to illness being sometimes due to a pre-incarnational plan, usually as a form to help a person fulfil the service they had hoped to achieve while incarnated. 

Quote:60.4 Questioner: You are saying, then, that the physical distortions that the instrument experienced are part of a balancing process? Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The physical distortions are a result of the instrument’s not accepting fully the limitations placed prior to incarnation upon the activities of the entity once it had begun the working. The distortions caused by this working, which are inevitable given the plan chosen by this entity, are limitation and, to a degree consonant with the amount of vital and physical energy expended, weariness, due to that which is the equivalent in this instrument of many, many hours of harsh physical labor.

This is why we suggested the instrument’s thoughts dwelling upon the possibility of its suggesting to its higher self the possibility of some slight reservation of energy at a working. This instrument at this time is quite open until all resources are quite exhausted. This is well if desired. However, it will, shall we say, shorten the number of workings in what you may call the long run.

Quote:60.8 Questioner: What would she do then in order to alleviate these problems?

Ra: I am Ra. As we have said, this instrument, feeling that it lacked compassion to balance wisdom, chose an incarnative experience whereby it was of necessity placed in situations of accepting self in the absence of other-selves’ acceptance and the acceptance of other-self without expecting a return or energy transfer. This is not an easy program for an incarnation but was deemed proper by this entity. This entity therefore must needs meditate and consciously, moment by moment, accept the self in its limitations which have been placed for the very purpose of bringing this entity to the precise tuning we are using. Further, having learned to radiate acceptance and love without expecting return, this entity now must balance this by learning to accept the gifts of love and acceptance of others which this instrument feels some discomfort in accepting. These two balancing workings will aid this entity in the release from the distortion called pain. The limitations are, to a great extent, fixed.

And Ra had this to say about Franklin Roosevelt's preincarnational plan

Quote:35.1 ... The limitation of the non-movement of a portion of the physical vehicle opened once again, for this entity, the opportunity for concentration upon the more, shall we say, universal or idealistic aspects of power; that is, the non-abusive use of power. Thus at the outset of a bellicose action this entity had lost some positive polarity due to excessive use of the orange- and yellow-ray energies at the expense of green- and blue-ray energies, then had regained the polarity due to the catalytic effects of a painful limitation upon the physical complex.

So I see a theme where some beings choose physical limitations in their incarnations to help motivate them for inner work that they had hoped to do while living. So as I see it, there can be many metaphysical reasons for illness, and so that's why I believe intuition can be such a valuable pointer for each individual's case. 
We could all take a swing at this I reckon.
Someone had mentioned Mercury and possibly the miscommunication of nerves and the autonomous nervous system? One could think of Neptune as well. Though in Vedic Astrology Neptune is not considered a planet.
Since there are no conclusive findings on this particular dis-ease and it remains elusive to most researchers, Neptune could play a part. Neptune represents the hidden and mysterious nature of things.
Neptune is the higher octave of Venus. Venus being considered a personal planet and would envelope self love and self care while Neptune would envelope love of all others; and could cover accepting love and understanding "from" others. For an entity not able to accept love, acceptance and understanding from others could make one feel unworthy at its core. I feel this unworthiness runs rampant in our society as nearly all of us come from dysfunctional families leaving most of society blemished with the feeling they are unworthy of love and acceptance. I would like to add that autoimmune system disorders are on the rise such as Rheumatoid Arthritis, Lupus, MS and much more. Researchers are still not completely clear what causes these disorders or how to even treat them without using dangerous drugs. I happen to believe that FM is connected to a greater problem such as an autoimmune system disorder.
The distortion toward nervousness or anxiety (over long periods of time) regarding Mercury could be one of the root causes along with the hidden nature of Neptune in the 6th or 12th house. IDK. Interesting.
Most affected by this particular disorder are female...so we also have that.
Having FM for 25 years from a car accident, tell you I searched and searched. No where, no drug, no treatments lead to any relief. Starting eating properly but still some improvement but not much. Love of the self, acceptance of self, the ignorance of life on this planet, acknowledging we are both the light and the darkness, the the cause of most of the pain was the belief that I was separate from the Creator. So what is FM, displaced love which will lead to other issues if we do not learn and listen to within self. Seek, seek and you will find.