Bring4th

According to numerous statistics:

http://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/why/evidence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Press_Freedom_Index (freedom of the press correlates to democracy)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_I...0_rankings
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gini_C...t_2009.png (Gini is a measurement of wealth distribution)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cou...ment_Index
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satisfactio...Life_Index
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_Index

Scandinavian countries, mainly Sweden, Norway, and Finland, also to a lesser extent Iceland, Denmark, seem to be better to live in in almost every imaginable way. Why? The source of all inequality and mass suffering would be a high ratio of selfishness in the power structure so these countries must have less very selfish people running the governments and corporations. Why? I think temperature might have something to do with it. Very selfish people would probably prefer to live in a warmer country. My friend's theory is that in cold countries people had to work harder in order to survive, my addendum to this would be that working hard would create real benefit to a society (as apposed to fake wealth created by financial games) and would keep one more focused on the more real parts of life like harmonious social interactions and time for contemplation. Your thoughts?

I'm watching the new Zeitgeist movie and all this is making me consider moving to Norway, Finland or Sweden, I'm even more disgusted by the society I live in now. I'm also considering living in Yogaville (http://yogaville.org/) or some kind of community like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz

You are welcome to stay with me, brother. =)

I don't care much about politics, but here in Sweden we are learnt that much of that social security that is one of the best in the world, we own to post-war social democratic party, that was lead among others by Olof Palme (who got assassinated). The most impact was done by Per Albin Hansson who made an idea, or vision in 1928, of Sweden becoming a People's Home.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Soc...atic_Party

I love to live here, and wouldn't like to move anywhere (well, accept Caribbean Islands - selfish?) . The only thing that I can complain about is actually the sun. Even during the summer (nights are very light during that period) sun seem to be some kind of pale and not warm enough. Once I did one of those stupid tests on FB called something like "Where should you live" or something like that, and it came up with "Golden Coast, Australia" LOL. Sunlight and warmth is the only things here that bothers me.

Regarding harmoniuos social interactions - I can only agree. I don't know if that has anything to do with us working harder than people in the other countries though. I don't think so. I think it has to do with our government a lot, that was lead a long time by social democratic party, who introduced high taxes so we could take care of each other regardless the individual income, ie concept of social responsibility. Sweden is also one of the countries in the developed world that received the most immigrants. I remember that one swedish mayor, Anders Lago, made quite some noice when he adressed US congress by declaring that his little town in Sweden receives more immigrants from Iraq than US and Canada together. And we didn't even start that war. We are bit proud of him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Lago

Hi Bro's

Have to give little credit to Nordic countries that despite I agree totally what Ankh said about the weather in general Sweden and Finland (Yes, Im Finn) is very good places to live. Nature, water and food are generally very clean which I think affects greatly to the people than the geometrical location.

Oh, I miss the sun so much and the warmth. Two last summers have been amazing warm here and winters very snowy and cold (definetely global warming). I think I have seen 3-4 times the sun this year(!). Four seasons are also fun but if you have health issues and need the sun to get body working it surely put some thoughts to your head that maybe Australia or New Zealand would be better for the health.

Finland has much more strict ways to treat immigrants than Sweden. Allthough I think its applicable only to certain countries and groups.

(01-29-2011, 12:11 AM)turtledude23 Wrote: [ -> ]Why? I think temperature might have something to do with it. Very selfish people would probably prefer to live in a warmer country.

not quite. britain, north america are not particularly warm countries, neither russia too, however quite strong negative power centers h ave come into being in these places.

Quote:My friend's theory is that in cold countries people had to work harder in order to survive, my addendum to this would be that working hard would create real benefit to a society (as apposed to fake wealth created by financial games) and would keep one more focused on the more real parts of life like harmonious social interactions and time for contemplation. Your thoughts?

that also may be a factor, however as said, cold cant be a particular factor. winters in russia are quite hard too, and sustenance is maybe at times harder than scandinavian peninsula ( you only have endless plains to live on, no fishing), but russian plains have been autocratic for thousands of years into known history.

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racial memory, behavior patterns play quite a strong role as far as i see i t.

see, historically the center scandinavian culture spreads from has been in between copenhagen - uppsala (in sweden).

this race has quite particular characteristics compared to other races on the planet, firstly the blond bodily hair. it is as strong as the facial features of asians, africans. from whence these differences come, i dont know. however, i think that they are following various planetary influences in regard to their incarnates.

in the places where this culture has mixed with other cultures, results have been different from the homeland. for example, in russian steppes, mixing of scandinavian immigrants with various tribes living there (and horse people) had resulted in what we know as russians. in germany, a good deal of influence and mixing with central europeans came to become germans. in britain, a good deal of mixing with post-roman population became english. since there are (and have been) exploitative autocratic cultures in these places through history, we can say that a lot hinges on cultural influence.

however notably, all of these cultures have been infringed upon cultural streams from middle east. (orthodox christianity, catholic christianity).

i mentioned in a thread earlier - when catholicism came to scandinavia, it didnt take hold too well. the people remained free as before, women were not suppressed as in other places, and even the feudal serfdom that it carried around with itself has never took hold in those places. when it was abolished in early 1800s, it was not as if it was there at all.

im quite thinking that whatever is happening there is due to planetary influence that these entities source from.

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in addition, the long standing socialist (social democrat) governance in those countries, have enforced the culture of equality rather than dog eat dog competition and self-orientation.

Sweden sounds like an awesome place to live. Maybe I will move there, or at least go on vacation there some day. Do I have to learn Swedish or does everyone speak English?

Scandinavian people speak English very well. You probably wont have any language problems.

(01-29-2011, 01:47 PM)turtledude23 Wrote: [ -> ]Sweden sounds like an awesome place to live. Maybe I will move there, or at least go on vacation there some day. Do I have to learn Swedish or does everyone speak English?

Most Scandinavians speak better English than we do. They start studying it in school in the 2nd grade.

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"Best place to live" is a subjective judgement; it depends upon what one desires.

I haven't been to Sweden or Norway, but I have traveled widely in Denmark, and I lodged with Danish families while I was there, so I have a good exposure to the place. It had a lot to recommend it...clean, safe, and orderly...but I found the general culture, and particularly the food, to be very bland. Life there would be boring for me.

Of the places I have traveled, the country that impressed me the most, with its quality of life, was New Zealand. That is about as close to paradise as one will find here in 3rd-density. Unfortunately it's now rather difficult to emigrate there, except for the very wealthy, or (ironically) for unacculturable south-pacific Islanders (who, according to my Kiwi friends, accounted for most of the crime in an otherwise crime-free state). New Zealand is the only place to which I would consider relocating from my current home.

Leaving aside, pre-incarnation arrangements which could entail many possibilities, it could also turn on some negative aspects. For example, assigning a certain region of the world a certain "elitist" status. (ie: "best" which is very subjective). In no way I'm trying to diminish the importance of that beautiful region, but let's not forget that also troops from some of those countries are being sent to or were sent to fight the current wars at the service of the elite.

At the end of the last 3d cycle this is a planetary endeavor not regional. We can learn from all of us.

(01-29-2011, 02:42 PM)Eddie Wrote: [ -> ]Life there would be boring for me.

Yes, Eddie, you are wright. Many people would find Sweden boring. As you said - it depends on what's one seeking.

@turtledude23 - regarding language, if you can read what I am writing you would probably understand what I am saying . Most Scandinavian people are excellent in english. I might be an exception of ok english.

Eddie, you're right about the bland foods as talking about national foods of Nordic countries but as countries being today very international you can surely find restaurants of every culture to get those spicy foods you might like.

Boring is also very subjective as I think 99% of the people would love to live safe and boring places. Only those 1% are really those adventure type people like in the movies if you really search deeply in your heart would you like to live that life like in the movies. I really wouldnt like to be an police or secret agent or soldier. I like boring life. I get my excitement when I meditate, go to nature or skiiing to the Alps (it would be great to spend more time in the Alpes but living there would be different issue) or if want more one can take a benji jumping e.g. but those are things you can do everywhere I think. Some paradise island sounds very good to me but actually when I personally search deeply I could spend only few months a year in that kind of place. I need more action I think.

Please. dont get me wrong here, I just want to say in positive way that we all have different idea of the paradise. The phrase "Paradise Island" isnt just the beautiful beach with palm trees to me, its much more variety. Thats why I mentioned New Zealand earlier that there is a lot of variety for example in nature, that could be my idea of paradise. Maybe someday I get to travel there.

Have a great day!

(01-30-2011, 04:16 AM)Joe6 Wrote: [ -> ]Eddie, you're right about the bland foods as talking about national foods of Nordic countries but as countries being today very international you can surely find restaurants of every culture to get those spicy foods you might like.

Have a great day!

We had pork chops or meatballs (frikadiller), boiled potatoes, and boiled peas for dinner every night for 3 weeks straight! Every family I stayed with ate the same thing for dinner every night! This was 30 years ago, though, so things may have changed.

One thing I saw in Denmark that impressed me very much, was their "Spirit-of-doing-things-together" (there's a specific word for this in Danish, but I can't remember it now). Every town or village, no matter how small, has a community hall, which has a dance floor and sports facilities. There is organized soccer, "handball" (which isn't at all like American handball, it's like soccer, except that the players can carry the ball with their hands), and "gymnastiks", which isn't like our gymnastics, it's more like group calisthenics; and for those too old, or too sedate, for sports, there is folk-dancing one or two nights a week on the dance floor. EVERYBODY in town participates in one or more of these activities. As a consequence, everyone is fit and trim; I saw no overweight people anywhere in the country.

ive never been to scandanavia but i have always admired the sense of "i am my brothers keeper" that seems to have molded the societies over there. too much wealth leads to too much poverty imo much better to have it balanced . ill tell u a funny story my friend is a field engineer for a company and travels all over the palace. he was in sweden and he was i think in a sauna or a steam bath. hes sitting there with two guys and a drop dead gorgeous blond comes in sits down and says hi fellas and proceeds to take off her towel and is sitting there in her birthday suit. trust me this would not happen here in america. when he told me the story i said why are u still living in america brother apply for a transfter to sweden sounds like my kind of town lol. anyway i admire the system of life that seems to be implemented in the scandanavian countries much more democratic than here in america

norral

(01-30-2011, 10:31 AM)Eddie Wrote: [ -> ]We had pork chops or meatballs (frikadiller), boiled potatoes, and boiled peas for dinner every night for 3 weeks straight! Every family I stayed with ate the same thing for dinner every night! This was 30 years ago, though, so things may have changed.

Never heard of that "diet" before, brother. It was before "my time" since I am only 33.

(01-30-2011, 10:31 AM)Eddie Wrote: [ -> ]As a consequence, everyone is fit and trim; I saw no overweight people anywhere in the country.

Might be the above "diet" as well

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(01-30-2011, 12:16 PM)norral Wrote: [ -> ]why are u still living in america brother apply for a transfter to sweden sounds like my kind of town lol

Not to mention our 5 or 6 weeks of vacation. I heard that you guys in US have only two weeks of. Is that TRUE???

(01-30-2011, 12:16 PM)norral Wrote: [ -> ]ive never been to scandanavia but i have always admired the sense of "i am my brothers keeper" that seems to have molded the societies over there. too much wealth leads to too much poverty imo much better to have it balanced . ill tell u a funny story my friend is a field engineer for a company and travels all over the palace. he was in sweden and he was i think in a sauna or a steam bath. hes sitting there with two guys and a drop dead gorgeous blond comes in sits down and says hi fellas and proceeds to take off her towel and is sitting there in her birthday suit. trust me this would not happen here in america. when he told me the story i said why are u still living in america brother apply for a transfter to sweden sounds like my kind of town lol. anyway i admire the system of life that seems to be implemented in the scandanavian countries much more democratic than here in america

norral

It was quite a shock to us country boys from Kentucky, to see gorgeous teenage girls sunbathing topless in parks in downtown Copenhagen (especially since it was only about 55 degrees, and we were in sweaters and jackets!)

(01-30-2011, 01:53 PM)Eddie Wrote: [ -> ]It was quite a shock to us country boys from Kentucky, to see gorgeous teenage girls sunbathing topless in parks in downtown Copenhagen (especially since it was only about 55 degrees, and we were in sweaters and jackets!)

Which has to be one of the reasons they get along so well. Less red-ray blockage.

(01-30-2011, 02:47 AM)Crimson Wrote: [ -> ]Leaving aside, pre-incarnation arrangements which could entail many possibilities, it could also turn on some negative aspects. For example, assigning a certain region of the world a certain "elitist" status. (ie: "best" which is very subjective). In no way I'm trying to diminish the importance of that beautiful region, but let's not forget that also troops from some of those countries are being sent to or were sent to fight the current wars at the service of the elite.

governments dont have much to do, when they are bullied by a malicious government that has been equipped with way too many toys at their disposal, as in the case of u.s. bullying of spanish government to adopt internet censorship laws, but failing due to wikileaks exposing it.

sending 100 men to 'serve' some negative endeavor to avoid god knows what, does not qualify as negative under the conditions of this planet. tho, it is still impurity.

(01-30-2011, 02:40 PM)unity100 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-30-2011, 02:47 AM)Crimson Wrote: [ -> ]Leaving aside, pre-incarnation arrangements which could entail many possibilities, it could also turn on some negative aspects. For example, assigning a certain region of the world a certain "elitist" status. (ie: "best" which is very subjective). In no way I'm trying to diminish the importance of that beautiful region, but let's not forget that also troops from some of those countries are being sent to or were sent to fight the current wars at the service of the elite.

governments dont have much to do, when they are bullied by a malicious government that has been equipped with way too many toys at their disposal, as in the case of u.s. bullying of spanish government to adopt internet censorship laws, but failing due to wikileaks exposing it.

sending 100 men to 'serve' some negative endeavor to avoid god knows what, does not qualify as negative under the conditions of this planet. tho, it is still impurity.

Not to mention there's no perfect society, I'm looking for the best one for my needs. A country full of social democrats and beautiful naked women sounds up my alley.

(01-30-2011, 01:12 PM)Ankh Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-30-2011, 10:31 AM)Eddie Wrote: [ -> ]We had pork chops or meatballs (frikadiller), boiled potatoes, and boiled peas for dinner every night for 3 weeks straight! Every family I stayed with ate the same thing for dinner every night! This was 30 years ago, though, so things may have changed.

Never heard of that "diet" before, brother. It was before "my time" since I am only 33.

(01-30-2011, 10:31 AM)Eddie Wrote: [ -> ]As a consequence, everyone is fit and trim; I saw no overweight people anywhere in the country.

Might be the above "diet" as well

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(01-30-2011, 12:16 PM)norral Wrote: [ -> ]why are u still living in america brother apply for a transfter to sweden sounds like my kind of town lol

Not to mention our 5 or 6 weeks of vacation. I heard that you guys in US have only two weeks of. Is that TRUE???

most places have two weeks of vacation or less. its sad but true. profits come before quality of life ankh. i work for a firm that gives 4 weeks vacation but that is unusual to say the least

If there's truth behind the persistent rumors of the high quality of life in Scandinavia, then it must be because of the pastries, not the meatballs. The pastries are what gets one through the winter...