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"It is to be kept in the forefront of the faculties of intelligence that there is one creation in which there is no loss." - Ra

A fascinating statement, what do you think?

i think its on par with...

"The dissolution into nothingness is the dissolution into unity, for there is no nothingness."

both suggest no loss is possible in a unified creation.

(04-26-2011, 02:52 AM)Azrael Wrote: [ -> ]"It is to be kept in the forefront of the faculties of intelligence that there is one creation in which there is no loss." - Ra

A fascinating statement, what do you think?

I think of it as empowering truth.

(04-26-2011, 03:19 AM)spero Wrote: [ -> ]i think its on par with...

"The dissolution into nothingness is the dissolution into unity, for there is no nothingness."

both suggest no loss is possible in a unified creation.

Well isolated spero! Basically for anything to leave the creation would represent an irreconcilable separation.

Those things 'lost' have their imprint/remnant on/for those who experienced and knew that 'lost' thing. It is part of their reality, even if not directly so for others. But in the complete and perfect acceptance of true unity the reality of those who 'lost' that something must also be accepted and so admitted into that Unity.

Furthermore, this demonstrated in the way one thing, in varying degrees, and in some way affects everything else.

This is beauty! It makes my heart smile.

(04-26-2011, 02:52 AM)Azrael Wrote: [ -> ]"It is to be kept in the forefront of the faculties of intelligence that there is one creation in which there is no loss." - Ra

A fascinating statement, what do you think?

fascinating, yet, limited, since it only expresses the viewpoint of the 6d entity, in which the unifiedness property of existence is heavily stressed and expressed.

6d is not an exception density - it is just another density like others. and, just like all other densities, it suffers from seeing everything from its exaggerated perception :

2d entity thinks everything is itself.

3d entity thinks he is separate from everyone else, and there are many un-connected entities.

4d entity thinks everything is love.

5d entity is way too free.

6d entity thinks everything is 'unity'.

however there is another density after 6, and another density after that one too. actually, infinite more densities.

so, that approach in the quote is rather density-specific :

actually there is loss in creation, since, when something is destroyed, even though the energy that was manifesting in that form returns to infinity, the entity that was that energy + the form is no more. so, there is loss.

so, 'anything is ok because all is one and there is no loss' is actually not a complete understanding.

the perfect example for this, can be gleamed from what happened with maldek, mars, and earth.

the entities which are above 6d, acting as guardians, have quarantined this planet in order for a repetition of maldek and mars not to happen.

moreover, permission was given to 6d entities to protect souls from being destroyed in nuclear blasts. the very confederation that Ra is a member of, did that in hiroshima, to preserve souls.

if going even further, one can easily say that, that goes valid in even higher states, since infinite intelligence created this creation to limit it by development/awareness, so that a 2d entity is not able to destroy entire planets with its mental power (remember that lower 2d entities are in much more connection with the logos), or, 3d entites have access to universe-destroying knowledge.

leave even these aside, the fact that there are laws guarding free will, directly means that there is loss in existence, and it is prevented/banned by very fundamental laws of existence.

We seek within.

there isnt only 'energy' in existence. just 'energy' doesnt make a creation. there is also form.

there are matrix, and potentiator.

these are explained in book 4. this is why you should dive into the material as fast as possible.

We seek within.

are they transient ? how do you think things get form ? and, how can form be 'nothing' if, anything that exists, is a part of existence ?

since for infinity to be infinite, ALL that can be discerned or observed must be in infinity, that means any kind of form, leave aside the concept of 'form', must be an inherent part of infinity.

that is precisely why it is imperative that you delve into book 4.

We seek within.

even if things change, all states of existence in any given octave (or any kind of existence) will be forever there in their particular space/time continuum. and, if you go back, you will see them there.

just like how wanderers from the next octave come here, and see this octave, the past octave, here.(ra tells there are wanderers that go back in between octaves)

Well of course, does that not show that nothing is ever lost? There is ever the memory.

(04-26-2011, 09:45 PM)Azrael Wrote: [ -> ]Well of course, does that not show that nothing is ever lost? There is ever the memory.

whether it is 'memory' or actual presence in that point in space and time continuum is debatable. probably more the latter.

however, losing something removes that thing from the continuum you are in, and therefore changes and shapes the entire future and the path the existence you are partaking is on. it may or it may not be a desirable path. and hence, there may be undesirable, harder paths to travel among more efficient, fruitful and enjoyable ones, that constitutes a loss. the loss would be recovered at point infinity, however that point is infinitely far away at any given time.

Loss and gain are relative to your perspective and the meaning you give them.

I agree wholeheartedly, drifting. There is no removal, only shifting, all continuums are ultimately one.

Yes that is why i can say i am a creator and so you are because of the absolute nothing/emptiness that births all perspective and experience.

Therefore i am free and so is everything else, from that point nothing is lost and everything is, everything happened and nothing has.

The ONE just is

We the all shifts eternally but we have never moved...

We seek within.

(04-26-2011, 02:52 AM)Azrael Wrote: [ -> ]"It is to be kept in the forefront of the faculties of intelligence that there is one creation in which there is no loss." - Ra

A fascinating statement, what do you think?

Except for one anomaly - the whole dryer and socks thing.

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Also, if there is no loss, that would seem to mean there is no gain. Unless, in unity, there is net positive.

We seek within.

All of our words are language distortions. Even the thoughts behind the words are distortions. We know that the finger pointing at the moon is not the moon, however we still strive for utility. Certainly here, there is an experience of cycles that aren't quite circles, but rather spirals.

Yes, an overlapping spiral like the Ouroboros, and also evident in the nature of Prana. It can be noted that understanding distortion may even be the purpose of this octave.

(04-26-2011, 11:53 PM)Azrael Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, an overlapping spiral like the Ouroboros, and also evident in the nature of Prana. It can be noted that understanding distortion may even be the purpose of this octave.

Interesting.

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Why am I thinking of this? (not a riddle)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesseract

We seek within.

(04-27-2011, 05:49 PM)Azrael Wrote: [ -> ]Difficult to say.

Yes, distortedly so