04-28-2011, 12:52 AM
What would an STO and STS adept have in common? What do people embarking on the paths have in common? Chaotikmind said that the STS equivalent of meditation is making the mind as noisy as possible.
Quote:7.15 Questioner: What is the density of the Orion group?
Ra: I am Ra. Like the Confederation, the densities of the mass consciousnesses which comprise that group are varied. There are a very few third density, a larger number of fourth density, a similarly large number of fifth density, and very few sixth-density entities comprising this organization. Their numbers are perhaps one-tenth ours at any point in the space/time continuum as the problem of spiritual entropy causes them to experience constant disintegration of their social memory complexes. Their power is the same as ours. The Law of One blinks neither at the light nor the darkness, but is available for service to others and service to self. However, service to others results in service to self, thus preserving and further harmonizing the distortions of those entities seeking intelligent infinity through these disciplines.
Those seeking intelligent infinity through the use of service to self create the same amount of power but, as we said, have constant difficulty because of the concept of separation which is implicit in the manifestations of the service to self which involve power over others. This weakens and eventually disintegrates [break into small parts] the energy collected by such mind/body/spirit complexes who call the Orion group and the social memory complexes which comprise the Orion group.
It should be noted, carefully pondered, and accepted, that the Law of One is available to any social memory complex which has decided to strive together for any seeking of purpose, be it service to others or service to self. The laws, which are the primal distortions of the Law of One, then are placed into operation and the illusion of space/time is used as a medium for the development of the results of those choices freely made. Thus all entities learn, no matter what they seek. All learn the same, some rapidly, some slowly.
(04-28-2011, 02:44 PM)drifting pages Wrote: [ -> ]"In truth there is no right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time. This distortion is not in any case necessary. It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things. You are not speaking of similar or somewhat like entities or things. You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One."
Check the bold text.
What do we gather from this ?
We are amusing ourselves by distorting in various ways
The distortion is not necessary (so if one lets go of the biases, one become ONE with everything again)
It is chosen as an alternative to just knowing the complete unity of thought which binds all.
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What i get from this :
This reality that i live in is a way to perceive infinity.
It is not imperative to do things as they are "done" "here".
I am free to do as i will.
All is well
(04-28-2011, 12:52 AM)turtledude23 Wrote: [ -> ]What would an STO and STS adept have in common?
(04-28-2011, 12:52 AM)turtledude23 Wrote: [ -> ]What would an STO and STS adept have in common? What do people embarking on the paths have in common?
Quote:All serve the One Creator. There is nothing else to serve, for the Creator is all that there is. It is impossible not to serve the Creator. There are simply various distortions of this service.
Azrael Wrote:Is it the actions that speak for the entity or is there some deeper connectivity within the polarities?
Book II, Session 43
March 24, 1981 Wrote:We shall simplify by concentrating upon what we consider to be the central
idea towards which you are striving. We have, many times now, spoken
about the relative importance of balancing as opposed to the relative
unimportance of maximal activation of each energy center. The reason is as
you have correctly surmised. Thusly the entity is concerned, if it be upon
the path of positive harvestability, with the regularizing of the various
energies of experience. Thus the most fragile entity may be more balanced
than one with extreme energy and activity in service-to-others due to the
fastidiousness with which the will is focused upon the use of experience in
knowing the self. The densities beyond your own give the minimally
balanced individual much time/space and space/time with which to
continue to refine these inner balances.
(05-10-2011, 06:42 PM)Alkhemist Wrote: [ -> ]What a wonderful thread! Please allow me to add my bit to this....
I am someone who was firmly on a STS path some years ago. Not only was I involved for many years in a STS magical organization, but I firmly believed at the time that I was on the "correct" path. Though I no longer have this opinion, this experience gave me an "inside view" of the psychology involved in treading the negative path, and has been extremely valuable in my overall quest to understand the Law of One.
I would say that there is little difference in the training of an STS and an STO magician, at least in my experience. The skills learned are the same, though the intention is quite different. For STSers, meditation is important in that control of the mind is necessary. The goal of meditation is not to make the mind chaotic (as this would greatly hamper one's ability to control their emotions, etc.), but rather calm and "centered." The self is viewed as divinity incarnate, so any and all methods of aggrandizing the self are seen as a good thing. From the STS point of view, being "selfish" by strengthening and honoring one's own inner divinity is the path to godhood.
As I said, I no longer travel the negative path. However, I have a GREAT respect for my brothers and sisters who still do. They are generally very powerful beings.
During my 9 years on the STS path, I learned that we do, indeed, have a divine spark within each of us. I credit the STS path with teaching me this, as well as how to care for myself (something I didn't learn in my original home), to be strong, courageous, and to be disciplined when necessary. (I was never good at that last one.) :-/
I left the STS path when my heart chakra opened. Compassion is considered an unnecessary waste of time to them (concentrating mostly on the three lower chakras), and I had a lot of "conversations" with them over this. Shortly after this was when I discovered the Ra material, which has been my "bible" for many years now.
I hope this helps to shed a little Light on this otherwise Dark subject!
(05-10-2011, 06:42 PM)Alkhemist Wrote: [ -> ]I am someone who was firmly on a STS path some years ago. Not only was I involved for many years in a STS magical organization, but I firmly believed at the time that I was on the "correct" path.
I would say that there is little difference in the training of an STS and an STO magician, at least in my experience. The skills learned are the same, though the intention is quite different. For STSers, meditation is important in that control of the mind is necessary. The goal of meditation is not to make the mind chaotic (as this would greatly hamper one's ability to control their emotions, etc.), but rather calm and "centered." The self is viewed as divinity incarnate, so any and all methods of aggrandizing the self are seen as a good thing. From the STS point of view, being "selfish" by strengthening and honoring one's own inner divinity is the path to godhood.
(05-10-2011, 10:05 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: [ -> ]It sheds light alright, and intrigues me further. How is meditation on the STO path different? Both paths must acknowledge the self as the Creator, no?
I really am asking. I am not good at meditation, and chakras are only mysterious concepts to me.
(05-10-2011, 06:42 PM)Alkhemist Wrote: [ -> ]I left the STS path when my heart chakra opened
(04-28-2011, 12:52 AM)turtledude23 Wrote: [ -> ]What would an STO and STS adept have in common? What do people embarking on the paths have in common? Chaotikmind said that the STS equivalent of meditation is making the mind as noisy as possible.
Ra Wrote:This study is as difficult as the one which we have described to you, but there are those with the perseverance to pursue the study just as you desire to pursue the difficult path of seeking to know in order to serve. The distortion lies in the effect that those who seek to serve the self are seen by the Law of One as precisely the same as those who seek to serve others, for are all not one? To serve yourself and to serve others is a dual method of saying the same thing, if you can understand the essence of the Law of One.
Quote:There is nothing else which is of aid in demonstrating the original thought except your very being, and the distortions that come from the unexplained, inarticulate, or mystery-clad being are many. Thus, to attempt to discern and weave your way through as many group mind/body/spirit distortions as possible among your peoples in the course of your teaching is a very good effort to make. We can speak no more valiantly of your desire to serve.
Quote:Questioner: Thank you. You have stated previously that the foundation of our present illusion is the concept of polarity. I would like to ask, since we have defined the two polarities as service-to-others and service-to-self, is there a more complete or eloquent or enlightening definition of these polarities or any more information that we don’t have at this time that you could give on the two ends of the poles that would give us a better insight into the nature of polarity itself?
Ra: I am Ra. It is unlikely that there is a more pithy or eloquent description of the polarities of third density than service-to-others and service-to-self due to the nature of the mind/body/spirit complexes’ distortions towards perceiving concepts relating to philosophy in terms of ethics or activity. However, we might consider the polarities using slightly variant terms. In this way a possible enrichment of insight might be achieved for some.
One might consider the polarities with the literal nature enjoyed by the physical polarity of the magnet. The negative and positive, with electrical characteristics, may be seen to be just as in the physical sense. It is to be noted in this context that it is quite impossible to judge the polarity of an act or an entity, just as it is impossible to judge the relative goodness of the negative and positive poles of the magnet.
Another method of viewing polarities might involve the concept of radiation/absorption. That which is positive is radiant; that which is negative is absorbent.
(07-24-2011, 06:17 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: [ -> ]a magnet with side A and side B
two people on each side 1,2 and 3,4
1 says, 'side A is better because it is touching me'
3 says, 'no, side B is better because it is touching me'
2 says, 'aw this side sucks, side B looks so better'
4 says, 'whatever, your side A is the desired side'
And so on and so forth
5 is aware and says, 'both sides are with me as one'
(07-21-2011, 09:46 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: [ -> ]I think the "essence" that Ra speaks of here is that when we follow our loves and talents and fulfill our place in the world, we end up providing for ourselves through our service to others. The perfect example in my life is cooking; I love cooking. Many people see it as a chore, while I see it as a hobby, creating this weird positive feedback loop where my wife gets (sometimes) delicious foods and I am just happy to have spent the time doing it. Through my service to her, I am fulfilled myself; covering both spectrums of STS/STO.(04-28-2011, 12:52 AM)turtledude23 Wrote: [ -> ]Ra Wrote:This study is as difficult as the one which we have described to you, but there are those with the perseverance to pursue the study just as you desire to pursue the difficult path of seeking to know in order to serve. The distortion lies in the effect that those who seek to serve the self are seen by the Law of One as precisely the same as those who seek to serve others, for are all not one? To serve yourself and to serve others is a dual method of saying the same thing, if you can understand the essence of the Law of One.
(08-04-2011, 08:27 PM)Confused Wrote: [ -> ]In the end, is there anything to be learned at all! What a simulacrum?You could learn that there's nothing to learn.