(07-02-2011, 07:27 PM)xlsander Wrote: [ -> ]good question as answer as I find - well if for an other self the yaris or "car x" for the lack of a better term provides them with the feeling of sensation and joy and appreciation and gratefulness towards either the driving experience or the technological advancement or the engineering,
but why ? both yaris and prius, and similar other cars have spectacular engineering, even to the extent that may surpass cars like porche - efficiency, smoothness, this that, whatever you call it. they are marvels of engineering as well.
moreover, driving experience may be probably smoother in most of these, since they were tuned to make driving a pleasant experience for anyone.
Quote:the looks, the sound; for whatever any other self might choose for bottom line feelings of joy and appreciation -
quite. its the looks, its 'the sound' (despite something making a huge sound should be disturbing and irritating to human ear in the long run).
basically there is the identification of self with a 'powerful' and 'socially highly regarded' machine in the above porsche example. its not the appreciation of engineering of prius, its not the appreciation of driving characteristics of yaris, but, its actually the identification of self with the attributes associated with the porche and appeasement of self through that.
Quote:then it is paradox to me that it might only happen with lets say the "bad aftertaste" of ownership "obsession" or money/luxury greed which often quickly is regarded as ruthless, arrogant etc. = STS
orange ray blockage/ identification manifestations are not sts. they can at most be called childish. immature.
Quote:and I think you can port that type of question to anything "inside the illusion" for some its real estate, for others its cars or or or
so since all there is in space time is a distortion of the creator (which everything basically is) I personally feel the question that whatever "material object" might produce the experience of positive attitudes and of joy and appreciation would that be service to self (is follow your bliss STS?) or be service to others in the sense of appreciation of other self/distortion/creator?
in these cases, its not the physical/chemical/energetical effect that the material object (1d entities) create on the entity.
such effects would be like a comfortable cushion under you, or, a pleasant tasting sweet, or, an energetically positively charged or vibrating object. these are actual effects on the entity.
in the case of examples like porsche, it is not any of these, but socially attributed concepts reflecting on the object, becoming identified with self through ownership or usage. it is not an act of entity 'appreciating' (what a broad word btw) an aspect of another self, but, trying to take on those aspects on its self with identifying with it.
basically, it is something that is relevant with the entity's own self - the entity is yet 'seeking itself' in orange, as it can be put. it needs to identify with external objects and concepts to define self.
this means, the entity has not fully completed orange spectrum, or, is newly activating that spectrum (kids) or, has blockages in that spectrum or being forced to live in that spectrum.
it is a valid density and valid phenomenon as it gets, since there is an entire density for that.
it is also valid to have these situations in 3d, since 3d also requires entity to activate the orange spectrum during early times of its incarnation.
but, in our current societal culture, this has become the way people are living or are made live, instead of being just a phase in early days of entities' incarnations. entities are functioning in orange spectrum, and engaging in orange ray identification blockages, and actually being encouraged to do as such (advertisements to sports, nations to properties) by the system, instead of moving to yellow and being active in that energy.
that is the problem.