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unity100 Wrote:you can see this as an entity incarnating into a 3d body without going through the veil.
I could see it that way, but it may not be that way. And besides people have wildly different ideas about what the process of "incarnating" really involves.
unity100 Wrote:don was not talking to an entity channeled by Carla. don was talking to Ra.
Don was talking to Ra... through Carla. This doesn't preclude the possibility of transient interference with the communication.
unity100 Wrote:as you can see from various incidents like the 'tape incident' in which Ra had gone back in time in order to see what was wrong with the tape, the capacities of the entity Ra in that body remain the same as they are when they are in their original home environment - in regard to time/space.
You're continuing to build upon a characterization of the channeling process that may not be accurate. It may in fact be correct. But I don't know of any standard by which to evaluate these statements.
Speaking of "tape incidents" I will refer back again to the incident in Session One, where Don was asking about earth changes, and the tape gets flipped. Then Ra says nevermind about the earth changes, we are more concerned with harvest. What I was trying to get at this is that [tape gets flipped] is PART of the material, and might be significant.
I can't tell you how many times I have been yammering on in this very forum, decide to watch something on Netflix, and lo and behold what I am watching ties in directly with what I was just posting about. The latest example was in
Share your vision for the harvest where my partner decides to put
Flatliners on, then she promptly falls asleep. All of a sudden I am hearing a dialogue that exactly mimics the dynamics that are going on in the thread.
I mean... how does THAT happen? We need concepts like 5D/6D just to even attempt to explain it. 4D doesn't even cut it in these cases. What this implies is that the consciousness of a being fully actualized at the 6D level must be WAY beyond even what we can begin to conceive.
unity100 Wrote:therefore, a negative entity of a mere 5th order, 'corrupting' the Ra entity and causing it to give a negatively oriented or confused answer, is outright ridiculous.
I think what is being said here is that a 5D entity either interfered with Carla's unconscious state, Don's conscious state, or both. Which is not ridiculous, and is in fact not only possible, but exactly correct, according to Ra's words.
unity100 Wrote:that would mean that Ra would be corruptible even in their home vibration, and even in their home state.
I'm sorry, but you seem to be overlooking the fact that Ra "screwed up" several times throughout earth's history, with all sorts of unexpected ramifications and unforeseen consequences. So yes, we must assume that- even at Ra's level- things are to a degree unknown and unpredictable. In fact, we specifically know that Ra's continued interaction with us here in 3D is directly tied to their attempt to attain their own next level.
unity100 Wrote:when you propose or accept this nonsense, then you totally let go of any information given in the book.
Yes, this would call many things into question. Since we don't have recordings of PET scans or EEGs of Don and Carla during the sessions, we really have no way of knowing how deeply "out" Carla was, or what kind of emotional state Don was in when he asked the questions, etc.
unity100 Wrote:not only that, you also let go of the orders of progress in regard to this octave , from 5th to late 6th at least.
Eh? I am not following you in this statement.
unity100 Wrote:Wrote:third, if a contact became corrupted, the original entity would not stay there continuing channeling. because then they would be aiding proliferation of negative information with their positive information.
Not true. They come when they are called. The calling also draws the attention of the Orion group. This is all discussed in the material. Honestly, I am having a hard time seeing how one can accept that the group was under attack during many of the sessions, but that somehow the material emerged completely unscathed.
I don't know for sure, but I do think that I have had some experience with 5D/neg entities- and let me tell you that they are not in the least perturbed by white candles. Nor does invoking the name of "Jesus Christ" send them off whimpering to their master in defeat. Such contrivances are
amusing to 5D entities.
The only reason that the protection rituals had ANY effect was because of the effect they had on Carla's mental/emotional state to the degree that they reduced fear and doubt. If Carla wanted to create a ritual using a rotten banana peel and an empty bottle of Jack Daniels, while reciting the theme song to
Cheers, she could have done that, and it would have worked just as well if such a ritual was acceptable to her subconscious.
What is perhaps MORE important is that there is no such thing as an impervious protection ritual. The very idea of a ritual implies a certain amount of energy that is draining to 4D/neg, and which can be utilized by 5D/neg. ANY type of invocation creates an opportunity for attack.
What I have personally found to be a bit absurd is the idea that:
1. We KNOW that the group was under attack during much of the contact.
2. Don is dead, via suicide.
3. Carla still suffers from a debilitating health condition.
4. The material was redacted in multiple ways.
5. We can't even get a group of 10 people on an Internet forum 30 years later to agree upon what Ra was even talking about.
YET, we are expected to believe that somehow, the actual words of the material emerged 100% unscathed, and error free? You must admit the situation is tenuous, at best.
unity100 Wrote:this is probably why there are continual affirmations and confirmations of group's purity and dedication of service by Ra in a repeated fashion. commending of purity of a compromised, corrupted group, would be outright stupid.
You seem to be conceiving of this as an either/or situation. There are many shades of "pure". And we are giving at least one example earlier in this thread about a man who was inspired by the Confederation to make some sort of free energy device, but then got influenced by the Orion group thus depolarizing his mission. Yet, in the end there was no real "harm done" due to the man's purity of intention.
So purity of intention does not 100% preclude manipulation. It just helps to reduce it.
unity100 Wrote:if contact was compromised at that point, there would be an entity imitating Ra, and the information given would take on an increasingly corrupted form, continually concentrating on the 'transitory' information equating the given one and expanding on it incessantly.
Agreed. I think it is safe to say that Ra wasn't completely removed and replaced by a negative entity. The most we are talking about here is the possibility that a negative influence caused a "slip up" and/or that Ra, for some reason unbeknownst to us, allowed the "slip up" to pass.
unity100 Wrote:one look to other compromised channeled material is enough to see how it develops from its start to its late stages. such a format, is not present here. the contact is consistent from start to end, in tone, manner, information focused on, approach, and depth. it doesnt vary. note how i am saying 'contact' and not the 'channel'. for :
Actually, yes it is. If you look at the material as a whole, there is a clear trend toward more transitory material as it goes on. In fact, as I have repeatedly pointed out
ad nauseum, this trend was established right there in Session One. Ra offers to continue discourse on the Law of One. Don says, no thanks, tell us about the earth changes. "The tape gets flipped." Then Ra parlays the query about earth changes into harvest. And we're off to the races from there.
As you progress toward the end of the material it is dominated by discussion about the negative contact and the archetypes of the tarot. Which, I am sorry I am interested by the tarot just as much as the next guy, but I still don't understand why so much time was spent on this. There are so many countless works on the tarot and the archetypes, and frankly I didn't find one stitch of new information in any of those responses that couldn't be found in other books, or simply by meditating on the images on the cards themselves.
So, yes, there is a very clear trend in depolarization throughout the entire contact, and it begins only a few paragraphs into Session One. This is not to say that Ra was displaced by a negative entity. It IS to say that Ra's purpose in responding to the call was largely depolarized by a direct attack on the material.
Moreover, this attack appears to be extended into this very moment as we have a group of otherwise intelligent people attempting to understand this information, yet repeatedly get drawn into all manner of conflicts, side-arguments, and outright denial. Why all the confusion? Are we just idiots here? Or is something continuing to actively interfere with understanding the material?
unity100 Wrote:fourth, the proposition of corruption of Ra ENTITY (as Carla was not even there at that point in time) for just two quotes someone has problems with, is exactly what it seems - biased denial. there is no deeper meaning in that. especially when the proposition is refused to be held for any other quote, but that one-two that contradicts with the person's perspective. it is ridiculous that this is even being discussed here at this point.
I'm sorry, but you appear to be in a bit of denial yourself. There appears to be no way to interpret the material that makes it 100% coherent. Moreover, you are continuing to build on the idea that Carla was somehow "completely removed" from the equation, despite the fact that her brain and vocal cords were being used during the channeling. Somehow, you want to attribute bias to all others- except for the channel herself.
We have:
Quote:Questioner: Am I to understand that the harvest is to occur in the year 2011, or will it be spread out?
Ra: I am Ra. This is an approximation. We have stated we have difficulty with your time/space. This is an appropriate probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest. Those who are not in incarnation at this time will be included in the harvest.
Either: Don was right, and harvest is a discrete event (from a 3D perspective) on or around 2011, and this is why Ra did not correct Don.
Or: Don was wrong, but for some REASON Ra DID NOT correct him. This is even more baffling, and begs for an explanation, especially in consideration of Ra's point blank comment in Session 14:
Ra Wrote:The harvest is now.
So, no matter how you slice it up, there is information that "should have" been corrected, but was not.
Also, I think it is appropriate to reiterate here that there is another ambiguity in the infamous 2011 harvest quote. I mentioned this before, but it was overlooked. "At this time" could just as well mean 1981 as it does 2011, in which case any conclusions we are drawing about those "not in incarnation" must be carefully reevaluated. So, here again, we have Ra letting something very ambiguous pass, ostensibly with FULL KNOWLEDGE that it carries the seed for grand confusion in the reader.
So here are the options I see:
1. Ra did not give the reply.
2. Ra DID give the reply, but Carla was under attack at the moment, thus the reply was not clear. Also explains why Ra did not make the correction at that time- if Carla was under attack then any attempt to correct the mistake would probably lead to even GREATER confusion.
3. Ra purposely DID NOT make a correction because they understood that a certain degree of ambiguity must be allowed to pass in order to maintain balance and for free will considerations.