Bring4th

I was just thinking about this today -

* everytime we sleep and dream, our consciousness crosses into time/space

* when we reach deep deep meditation, we cross over into time/space

* whenever we do anything related to the pineal gland, we cross over into time/space

of course, everyone knows that the rules in time/space are pretty funky and crazy. Our remembered dreams are testament to that.

I had this intuition/hunch that when we cross over into time/space, a copy of our consciousness is made, and then our point of awareness is shifted to that copy in time/space. Our point of experience is still anchored in the 3d space/time body, but our attention is moved into the copy that is time/space. That way we can experience time/space without actually losing the connection to our body.

so we then have our dream/meditation in time/space. When we are done, our point of attention is moved back into the physical body, but the copy of your consciousness is still alive in time/space!

now, if we go to bed in the same spot every night, the copy of our consciousness will appear in the same exact spot in time/space. Theoretically every dream that we have has created a different time stream copy of us in that same location.

is this too much of a reach? can you follow the logic?

Quote:70.12: In time/space, which is precisely as much of your self as is space/time, all times are simultaneous just as, in your geography, your cities and villages are all functioning, bustling, and alive with entities going about their business at once. So it is in time/space with the self.

What is logical of true infinity though, of existence itself. Who knows when our beloved logic falls to something else.

To me reality is very magical and logic can only go so far, there are logical questions that will remain forever incomplete, see GODEL for example, he tried to prove that something inside a system could verify itself completely and found it could not.

There infinite propositions that are impossible to completely verify.

To me this is the key.

Existence. /°, infinity whatever you call it. IS

The moment awareness appears you started the dream of the "one"

All there is 0, but awareness will always experience expansions unto itself.

Infinite dreams, what is logical about that, only logic within it and no more.

The 0, the ONe , void, emptiness, remains

Awareness is like an open book of infinite perspectives and experiences forever never truly complete.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del'...s_theorems

My understanding is that there is a veil between time/space and space/time, but you are not cut off from time/space being incarnated in space/time. It's just a veil between these. You can learn to become sensitive to signals and instreamings from time/space, and perceive them, to learn to read the instreaming energy and information.

session 84:17 Wrote:Perhaps the most critical difference of the veiling, before and after, was that before the mind, body, and spirit were veiled, entities were aware that each energy transfer and, indeed, very nearly all that proceeds from any intercourse, social or sexual, between two entities has its character and substance in time/space rather than space/time. The energies transferred during the sexual activity are not, properly speaking, of space/ time. There is a great component of what you may call metaphysical energy transferred. Indeed, the body complex as a whole is greatly misunderstood due to the post-veiling assumption that the physical manifestation called the body is subject only to physical stimuli. This is emphatically not so.

When you use the faculties of feeling or intuition, you are oriented to a time/space evaluation or perception. Sensation and thinking are space/time orientations. Time/space orientations have a periphery of wholeness, universal or infinity, and space/time orientations are necessarily limited to circumstances and conditions.

For example, time/space 'feeling' evaluations are what you use when you elicit your sense of aesthetics (i.e. couch looks better over there, these colors of clothes are appropriate). Time/space 'intuitive' perceptions are what's used when seeing where something is going or from where it came. These two faculties are often confused, because both are of time/space (from wholeness). These are the 'feminine', or right-brained faculties of awareness.

Effective, or practical interpretation from intuition is largely dependent on one's world-view (weltanschauung) foundation. That world view can only be developed from feeling and thinking determinations. Without that 'rational' foundation, the intuition is stifled and may only yield vague apprehensions or notions. And because the intuition is also our access to the spirit, attachment to the (intuitively perceived) vague notions themselves often substitute for one's spiritual connection. This idea-attachment is exactly why hyper-intuitive people perceive personal attacks when their undigested ideas are questioned. Indeed the spiritually-associated vague idea or notion often gets put onto a pedestal which perpetuates an isolation between just that aspect of the person (which the idea represents) and the person as a whole.

Fantastic explanation ZM.

Perhaps re-consider your definition of 'hyper-intuitive' people. Someone of that standing will have a strong connection, and will need no fantastical ideas in which to help them remain centered, or to allow them have faith in a concept. It's actually the un-intuitive that latch onto said notions in which to fill the gap left by their own lack of connection/intuition.

The most intuitive people I have met have been incredibly balanced, grounded and humble :¬)

I've met many that adhere to all sorts of ET and Metaphysical beliefs, excitedly, and yet seem rather off centered and prone to emotional instability. In nearly all cases they have adopted the idea's of another, without using their own abilities to validate them.

(01-16-2012, 08:47 AM)Namaste Wrote: [ -> ]Perhaps re-consider your definition of 'hyper-intuitive' people. Someone of that standing will have a strong connection, and will need no fantastical ideas in which to help them remain centered, or to allow them have faith in a concept.

'Hyper-intuitive' is a mode where there intuition is used in an ungrounded manner (i.e. not backed up by experience) when relating information. That is, the person has never bothered to accept what the intuition is suggesting to them - hence the hand-waving, fanaticism, inflation, etc. I use that term because there is no real behavior schemata provided for different integrative approaches used as one polarizes, or progresses up the subdensities.

(01-16-2012, 08:47 AM)Namaste Wrote: [ -> ]It's actually the un-intuitive that latch onto said notions in which to fill the gap left by their own lack of connection/intuition.

That is only necessarily true if survival needs are still being addressed. Remember intuition is just a faculty of awareness, regardless of balance. That 'gap' or 'lack' remains and expresses differently depending on balance/polarity. The latching does remain, however. After some individuation work, it just evolves, for example, to 'a way' with its own prejudices. After survival needs, and social integration, that higher, inner 'knowing' being fostered is still like a bubble shielding a person from themselves and others (which demands reconciliation) - it does create that 'mean green vMeme'. And so begins the inflation of what the 'heart' means and how that may be expressed, balanced, integrated, accepted, etc. After that, the 'bubble' becomes more transparent - honesty naturally becomes more available, and intersubjective communication may finally occur. After that, then indigo-ray work may proceed.

Generally, anything 'new on the scene' must necessarily become part of that level of seeking, which is the same as balancing.

Each level or subdensity has its own integrative methods. The requirements for what entails 'balancing' change. For example, 'intuition' is employed differently from a survival-needs standpoint vs a metaphysical-integrative standpoint.
In the latter modality, the intuition always precedes integration and acceptance. When the worldview does not yet hold a place for that intuitive idea, it floats around and tends to become exaggerated or magnified in order to bring more and more attention to itself. It is simply higher-subdensity catalyst, where the ideas serve as (temporary) vehicles for further integration and transcendence. This catalyst is often shared as a subcultural meme (in the form of championing ideas). That is indeed an idea-attachment (because it's a disowned aspect of self), and it is indeed imbalance. It's just a higher-level imbalance, and may be perceived as more subtle or socially agreeable than other, lower forms of imbalance.

(01-16-2012, 08:47 AM)Namaste Wrote: [ -> ]The most intuitive people I have met have been incredibly balanced, grounded and humble :¬)

All of those terms are relative though. Typically in relation to some more imbalanced or more common condition.

(01-16-2012, 08:47 AM)Namaste Wrote: [ -> ]I've met many that adhere to all sorts of ET and Metaphysical beliefs, excitedly, and yet seem rather off centered and prone to emotional instability. In nearly all cases they have adopted the idea's of another, without using their own abilities to validate them.

Well we all (unconsciously) adopt other people's ideas. Even without emotional instability, there is imbalance. This imbalance is evidenced by idea attachment and exaggerations of importance: that which is overly numinous, doubts, pride, specific things that are considered sacred or vehicles for transcendence, notions of specific methods which must be used to connect with spirit or to center oneself, conflation of principles, the need to be 'right', comparison, heralding some events or some transient idea of change, etc.

I'm not saying this type of imbalance is necessarily symptomatic of a pathological condition. In fact, it is exploited by ET groups in order to 'wake you up'. Where 'vehicle of transcendence' is literally a 'vehicle' flying in the air - the metaphor becoming reality in order to impress a catalyst for transcendence seeking.