01-06-2013, 02:21 PM
(01-06-2013, 08:03 AM)ShinAr Wrote: [ -> ]But I am also not yet certain that Ra itself has not offered confusing information in this regard as well.
A confused query yields a confused reply. It is nothing more than this.
(01-06-2013, 08:03 AM)ShinAr Wrote: [ -> ]But I am also not yet certain that Ra itself has not offered confusing information in this regard as well.
(01-05-2013, 08:54 PM)Ankh Wrote: [ -> ]I remember so much stuff, and yet, it is so difficult to apply all that love and all that light in this density...
Some nights ago I had a dream. I was inside the "L/L house", which didn't look like the real L/L house but was presented as such in order to make me to understand that this house was a symbol of my Law of One philosophy. There were two females inside the house. It was heavily raining on the outside and the water was leaking inside the house. One of these females was almost never seen and was almost always hiding somewhere. The other one was on the contrary all over the house and was trying to clean it up and keep it dry from all the water pouring in from the heavy raining. When I came towards her, she pointed me to the spots where it was leaking and also told me that the house wasn't properly built...
I interpreted those females being the females in the transformation of the Mind Archetype. Although the negative female was almost never seen, she was still seeking separation *and* hiding inside the house. I understood that I have not completely, yet, let her go as it is described in that Archetype one should do in order to have that Transformation...
Anyway, I do have memories, I do remember... But I have difficulties to apply what I remember in this density due to incompability of these memories with what I experience here... This illusion is so thick... So difficult to pierce...
(01-05-2013, 09:50 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: [ -> ](01-05-2013, 08:54 PM)Ankh Wrote: [ -> ]Polarity.... I've been reading what Tenet Nosce said in the past about polarity in his Ra's Adventures in Wonderland thread, and some of it was really striking to me... But there is still some kind of understanding missing from my side.
This thread- Polarization and Polarity- might be helpful to you as a starting point.
What is being missed is a good understanding of how the polarity of a magnet works. If we were take the time to actually learn how a magnet functions on a molecular level, all the seeming questions would be answered. There would be no more debate, because there would be nothing to debate. It would be as obvious to anybody else as it was to me when I finally took Ra's advice and reviewed magnetic polarization for myself.
Instead, months and years pass in this forum where some members get very adamant- even indignant- about defending their erroneous understanding of the polarization of consciousness. The "debates" go round and round. Some even become irritated and defensive when they perceive that their notion of polarity has been challenged.
But in actuality, there is no challenge, merely a persistent misunderstanding of terms. There is no debate that is actually worthwhile, if we are unwilling to take basic steps to understand the terminology employed in the discussion. Ra gave us the specific answer, and for whatever reason (laziness, ego, unwillingness to admit one was wrong, taking L/L and/or the moderators as an authority even against their own advisement, heavy biases toward "ethics and activity", etc.) nobody bothers to actually go and educate themselves about magnetic polarization. It's all right there, plain as day, for anybody who truly wishes to know about it. There is no need- whatsoever- to take my word for it.
I mean- doesn't it seem odd to you that in a community which is so focused on this concept of polarization- with all the pages and pages of posts dedicated to discussion of it- nobody will make the slightest effort to educate themselves on what magnetic polarization entails?
Ankh- It is clear to me that you are a very intelligent person who is more than capable of understanding magnetic polarization as it is actually a high-school level concept. I invite you to educate yourself on it, and then report back what you find here in this thread.
The larger question, if you don't mind me asking, is: Why haven't you done this already? IMO- You are one of the most serious students of the material in this forum. Has it not occurred to you that taking Ra's advice to "consider the polarities with the literal nature enjoyed by the physical polarity of the magnet" would likely be very fruitful to your seeking?
(01-07-2013, 03:49 AM)kycahi Wrote: [ -> ]I just automatically assume, when somebody describes a dream, that everyone in the dream is an aspect of the dreamer. So for you, Ankh, I see that the bigger part of you is enthusiastic about the L/L Research and very supportive and wanting to do more. Another, smaller part of you holds out and doesn't want to throw everything into that basket, perhaps not wanting to be embarrassed later if it turns out not to be absolute truth.
Well, in 3D nothing is ever clear cut, so good to have a little skepticism to help the screening process. Also, remember Ra said that 3D means NOT understanding, so don't let failing to understand get you down. Not that I don't pursue understanding myself, understand.
My interpretation does not jibe with yours, of course, but neither are they mutually exclusive. Both could be correct, in fact.
(01-08-2013, 12:40 AM)Ankh Wrote: [ -> ]Anywho, I will look into this question and the thread you linked as soon as this illusion allows me. Thank you for this, Tenet! Lots of love.
Tenet Nosce Wrote:There is also nothing prohibiting us from selectively ignoring information that directly contradicts our biases.
Tenet Nosce Wrote:We keep repeating the same patterns over and over again precisely because humanity is "stuck" on this dualistic idea of choosing between two sides. Good and evil. STS and STO. It's really all the same thing that keeps getting repackaged with different terminologies.
Tenet Nosce Wrote:Ra Wrote:The Law of One blinks neither at the light or the darkness, but is available for service to others and service to self.
Therefore, if we find ourselves blinking, we can be sure that we have lost sight of the Law of One.
(01-08-2013, 06:48 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: [ -> ]If you come across a starving person in the street, and you offer them some kind words and a sandwich, you have not only served them, but you have also served yourself.
(01-08-2013, 07:07 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: [ -> ](01-08-2013, 06:48 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: [ -> ]If you come across a starving person in the street, and you offer them some kind words and a sandwich, you have not only served them, but you have also served yourself.
As I understand it, this is an example of service to others. "...service to others results in service to self, thus preserving and further harmonizing the distortions of those entities seeking intelligent infinity through these disciplines."
Quote:Service to self, by contrast, does not result in service to others. "Those seeking intelligent infinity through the use of service to self create the same amount of power but, as we said, have constant difficulty because of the concept of separation which is implicit in the manifestations of the service to self which involve power over others. This weakens and eventually disintegrates the energy collected by such mind/body/spirit complexes who call the Orion group and the social memory complexes which comprise the Orion group."
(01-08-2013, 07:08 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: [ -> ](01-08-2013, 07:07 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: [ -> ](01-08-2013, 06:48 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: [ -> ]If you come across a starving person in the street, and you offer them some kind words and a sandwich, you have not only served them, but you have also served yourself.
As I understand it, this is an example of service to others. "...service to others results in service to self, thus preserving and further harmonizing the distortions of those entities seeking intelligent infinity through these disciplines."
Yes, exactly. Therefore, if we can do both at once, how is it that we are having to "choose between" one or the other?
(01-08-2013, 07:15 PM)Spaced Wrote: [ -> ]It is the choice between the unity of the polarities and the separation thereof.
(01-08-2013, 07:16 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe because service to self does not result in service to others? Nor does not choosing.
(01-08-2013, 07:26 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: [ -> ]How do you explain the fifth-density positive wanderers on Venus who polarized negatively?
(01-08-2013, 07:40 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: [ -> ](01-08-2013, 07:26 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: [ -> ]How do you explain the fifth-density positive wanderers on Venus who polarized negatively?
Dunno, other to say that it sounds like a very rare exception. But a close read of Session 89 reveals several inconsistencies.
For example:
In 89.27 they say that the two entities had harvested themselves during the 3D to the negative path, yet in 89.35 they say there was no negative harvest from the 3D cycle.
In 89.31 they say this was due to control and domination of others, yet in 89.35 they say that those who followed them found it "easy to believe" in their viewpoint.
In 89.33 they say the two entities were wanderers from 5D positive, but then in 89.35 they are said to have "graduated" into 4D negative.
Sounds to me like there was some type of garbling or interference going on in that session. But I understand that you don't subscribe to that possibility... so I cannot guess how you would explain these inconsistencies.
At any rate... I don't think it negates anything we discussed above.
Quote:89.35 Questioner: What was the catalyst for their change?
Ra: I am Ra. In our peoples there was what may be considered, from the viewpoint of wisdom, an overabundance of love. These entities looked at those still in darkness and saw that those of a neutral or somewhat negative viewpoint found such harmony, shall we say, sickening. The Wanderers felt that a more wisdom-oriented way of seeking love could be more appealing to those in darkness.
(01-08-2013, 07:45 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: [ -> ]It suggests that it's possible to make a different choice.
(01-08-2013, 07:58 PM)Spaced Wrote: [ -> ]5th density wanderers are rare in 3D because they offer teachings of Wisdom, not Love. Perhaps those who called these wanderers were not ready to polarize because they had not learned the lessons of the service to self path to balance the service to others society that dominated Ra's 3D experience (as far as I know). In this light, by bringing war to Venus and offering those who would follow them the Choice of seperation, they were doing them a positive service in the long run by letting them experience and work through this necessary distortion.
There was no negative harvest of this entities because they 'graduated' into 4D negative mid-way through the cycle.
Also it's worth noting that these individuals did retain their positive polarity and joined Ra in fourth density positive after working off their karma.
(01-08-2013, 09:33 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: [ -> ]Are you speaking of the two wanderers here? Or in general?
(01-08-2013, 09:33 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: [ -> ]I mean... who in their right mind would think that domination even undo physical death was a great way to teach love?
(01-08-2013, 09:46 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: [ -> ]Both, I guess. I'm saying that the story of the two wanderers suggests that it's possible to make a different choice.
Quote:Maybe as a way to teach obedience (love of self) to the other followers...
(01-06-2013, 02:21 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: [ -> ](01-06-2013, 08:03 AM)ShinAr Wrote: [ -> ]But I am also not yet certain that Ra itself has not offered confusing information in this regard as well.
A confused query yields a confused reply. It is nothing more than this.
(01-08-2013, 07:07 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: [ -> ]Service to self, by contrast, does not result in service to others.
(01-08-2013, 07:08 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: [ -> ]Service to others leads to service to self... but not the other way around.
Quote:"Ra: I am Ra. ... In our vibration the polarities are harmonized, the complexities are simplified, and the paradoxes have their solution. We are one. ..."
Quote:3.14 Ra: I am Ra. There is a law which we believe to be one of the more significant primal distortions of the Law of One. That is the Law of Confusion. You have called this the Law of Free Will.
Quote:And: "Ok, what is the proper understanding of this Archetype?"
Quote:1.4 Ra: I am Ra. ... Since it [Creation] contains all, it cannot abhor any. ...
Quote:93.9 Questioner: The feet of the entity seem to be on an unstable platform that is dark to the rear and light to the front. I am guessing that possibly this indicates that the entity standing on this could sway in either direction, to the left or to the right-hand path. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is most perceptive.
(01-10-2013, 02:42 AM)Peregrinus Wrote: [ -> ]Does my limited understanding appear to have any inaccuracies or flaws?
Ra, 77:23 Wrote:...we request that it be constantly kept before the mind, as the candle before the eye, that each mind/body/spirit complex shall, and should, and indeed must perceive each archetype, if you use this convenient term, in its own way.
Ra, 97:9 Wrote:To put this into perspective we must gaze then at the stunning mystery of the One Infinite Creator. The archetypical mind does not resolve any paradox or bring all into unity. This is not the property of any resource which is of the third density. Therefore, may we ask the student to look up from inward working and behold the glory, the might, the majesty, the mystery, and the peace of oneness. Let no consideration of bird or beast, darkness or light, shape or shadow keep any which seeks from the central consideration of unity.
(01-10-2013, 02:42 AM)Peregrinus Wrote: [ -> ]Does my limited understanding appear to have any inaccuracies or flaws?
(01-09-2013, 01:50 PM)Ankh Wrote: [ -> ]Guys, I'm not sure that service to self does *not* result in service to others... It is sure not the conscious choice of STS polarized entity to be of service to anyone but the self, but by providing catalysts, sharing their philosophy/love as it is known to the self, they are being of service to others, no? Service to self does result in service to others, in its own way, as service to others result in service to self, and as Ra said is not to serve self to serve all?
Quote:97.11 Questioner: The entity looks to the left, indicating that the mind has the tendency to notice more easily catalyst of a negative essence. Would Ra comment on that observation?
Ra: I am Ra. This is substantially correct.
Quote:45.10 Questioner: Why is the left ear of the service-to-self contact and the right service-to-others?
Ra: I am Ra. The nature of your physical vehicle is that there is a magnetic field positive and negative in complex patterns about the shells of your vehicle. The left portion of the head region of most entities is, upon the time/space continuum level, of a negative polarity.
Quote:When one serves the self by manipulating others, one is often known as selfish. Another way of gazing at this trait in an entity is to see the entity choosing a path of polarization that would be called the left-handed path or the negative path in which the self is seen as the equivalent of or substitute for the Creator, and the constellation of those beings which move about the self are seen as those entities which may or not be of use in some way to the God-self which lies within the self. Such entities are not known for their spiritual humility or their lack of confidence in what they feel to be right.
(01-10-2013, 09:17 PM)Cyan Wrote: [ -> ]Lots of words about others and separation between self and others in a debate about does the separation between self and other self benefit other self as well.
βαθμιαίος Wrote:service to self does not result in service to others
βαθμιαίος Wrote:Service to self, by contrast, does not result in service to others. "Those seeking intelligent infinity through the use of service to self create the same amount of power but, as we said, have constant difficulty because of the concept of separation which is implicit in the manifestations of the service to self which involve power over others. This weakens and eventually disintegrates the energy collected by such mind/body/spirit complexes who call the Orion group and the social memory complexes which comprise the Orion group."