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Hi everyone! Whenever I read of hear about being in service to others (STO), I often see a follow up rule of thumb that as long as an individual is over 51% STO, he or she would be eligible for harvesting:

Quote:17.31 Questioner: I don’t wish to take up extra time asking questions over again. Some areas I consider important enough in relation to the Law of One to ask questions in a different way in order to get another perspective in the answer.

In the book Oahspe it states that if an entity goes over fifty one percent service to others and is less than fifty percent service to self, then that entity is harvestable. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct if the harvesting is to be for the positive fourth dimensional level.

However, I don't understand how this gets "judged" by oneself at the time of graduation. For instance, let's use Hitler as the example. If he were to live his life 99% in service to self, but has a genuine epiphany that causes himself to live the last 1% of his life in service to others, is he harvestable in 4th density positive because of where his heart evolved to when he died?

Or, would he tally his cumulative experiences at the time of death to realize that he was well under 51% in service to others and therefore must repeat 3rd density? Even though his epiphany has caused him to be wholeheartedly in service to others at the time of death, does he have to repeat third density again because of his lifelong experience of being in service to self?

Thanks!
Steve
(12-25-2008, 04:08 AM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote: [ -> ]Hi everyone! Whenever I read of hear about being in service to others (STO), I often see a follow up rule of thumb that as long as an individual is over 51% STO, he or she would be eligible for harvesting:

Quote:17.31 Questioner: I don’t wish to take up extra time asking questions over again. Some areas I consider important enough in relation to the Law of One to ask questions in a different way in order to get another perspective in the answer.

In the book Oahspe it states that if an entity goes over fifty one percent service to others and is less than fifty percent service to self, then that entity is harvestable. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct if the harvesting is to be for the positive fourth dimensional level.

However, I don't understand how this gets "judged" by oneself at the time of graduation. For instance, let's use Hitler as the example. If he were to live his life 99% in service to self, but has a genuine epiphany that causes himself to live the last 1% of his life in service to others, is he harvestable in 4th density positive because of where his heart evolved to when he died?

Or, would he tally his cumulative experiences at the time of death to realize that he was well under 51% in service to others and therefore must repeat 3rd density? Even though his epiphany has caused him to be wholeheartedly in service to others at the time of death, does he have to repeat third density again because of his lifelong experience of being in service to self?

Thanks!
Steve

That's a very good question and seems to coincide with the Christian concept of getting 'saved' at the last minute after a lifetime of wanton disregard for others.

I don't know the answer to this. But I think it has to do with how our everyday choices translate to that percentage. Ra stated that it was difficult to translate many concepts into concrete numerical terms. So maybe the percentage is not based on how many times we chose STO over STS, but is a way of conceptualizing what's really going on in our chakras...being that the criteria for harvest is determined by walking the steps of Light.

In other words, Ra didn't say the Guardians would pull out their calculators and determine our score...but that we'd walk the steps of Light.

So, somehow, that percentage must translate into how our chakras are measured on the steps of Light...In which case, the strength of the deathbed epiphany would have to be very strong indeed to make up for a lifetime of STS choices.

This might sound implausible, until we remember that STS 4D's and 5D's can switch polarities to STO, rather than traversing all the way back thru 3D, 2D, 1D, then 1,2,3,4,5D positive...So it's not always a linear progression. It has more to do with the total 'charge' of the polarity.

Something like that...?

Note: I might be a little rusty on some of these details. If I get the D's wrong or any other error, please don't hesitate to point it out...this is to anyone who might be participating.
Hi All. I'm so excited that this is going. I'm so glad this is going on I'm like a dog spinning chasing his tail - delirously, goofily happy. Thanx Steve for you question, and Dreaming Peace thanks for your response. Really meets my needs to be around people on the same page.
Hi Steve,

I believe the only real way one can have such an epiphany is if they are themselves a 'wanderer' from 4th, or 5th, to re-realize their level in such a moment. That would be the only way they would be able to hold the light at that level for graduation, this capacity has to be built up somehow through experience and good deeds. 1% might not be enough, kinda like going to the gym for a week after years of not working out and then heading out to do a marathon...? But who knows Smile

WB

'If he were to live his life 99% in service to self, but has a genuine epiphany that causes himself to live the last 1% of his life in service to others, is he harvestable in 4th density positive because of where his heart evolved to when he died?'
(01-02-2009, 01:56 AM)WhiteBear Wrote: [ -> ]Hi Steve,

I believe the only real way one can have such an epiphany is if they are themselves a 'wanderer' from 4th, or 5th, to re-realize their level in such a moment. That would be the only way they would be able to hold the light at that level for graduation, this capacity has to be built up somehow through experience and good deeds. 1% might not be enough, kinda like going to the gym for a week after years of not working out and then heading out to do a marathon...? But who knows Smile

WB

'If he were to live his life 99% in service to self, but has a genuine epiphany that causes himself to live the last 1% of his life in service to others, is he harvestable in 4th density positive because of where his heart evolved to when he died?'

Yeah, it's tough to say, isn't it? I even had a conversation offline about this with Gary, as well. And the more the question is thought about, the more it seems like it would be a great question for an upcoming group channeling session. Maybe it can make its way up to the short list! Smile

Thanks to everyone for your great insights!
Steve
(01-02-2009, 01:56 AM)WhiteBear Wrote: [ -> ]Hi Steve,

I believe the only real way one can have such an epiphany is if they are themselves a 'wanderer' from 4th, or 5th, to re-realize their level in such a moment. That would be the only way they would be able to hold the light at that level for graduation, this capacity has to be built up somehow through experience and good deeds. 1% might not be enough, kinda like going to the gym for a week after years of not working out and then heading out to do a marathon...? But who knows Smile

WB

'If he were to live his life 99% in service to self, but has a genuine epiphany that causes himself to live the last 1% of his life in service to others, is he harvestable in 4th density positive because of where his heart evolved to when he died?'

Hi WhiteBear!

Good point! That makes sense.
But in the end, it doesn't really matter right? You have your direction and you go for it. If you redo 3rd, well that's life :-/ Even if you only get the right bearing in the last 1% of your life, at least you'll have a headstart on the next round BigSmile

What I find hard to do is to help people understand that they need to be STO/working from the heart, while they are on 3rd. People are so attached to their things and routine. So then you stick to being an example Smile

WB


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Hi WhiteBear!

Good point! That makes sense.
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(01-02-2009, 01:16 PM)WhiteBear Wrote: [ -> ]What I find hard to do is to help people understand that they need to be STO/working from the heart, while they are on 3rd. People are so attached to their things and routine.

WB, that's a great point. Many people "pray" in a way that is very routine and mechanical. The joy in praying that used to be there has long since faded away, and prayers for many become a chore that comes from anywhere but the heart, it would seem.

I feel that you are spot-on with the comment that your actions must come from the heart each time, or else the true spirit behind the act takes second place to getting through that action. Being "present" in your prayers or in your STO activities makes its meaning so much more enlightening for the "doer", I would think! I recognized this about a year ago, and have forever since expressed my appreciation and prayer in ways that were original and unique every time. That way I was sure to capture the essence of my gratitude in its truest form.

Good stuff!
Steve
I believe that if anyone reaches an epiphany, such that, it transforms one's polarity to positive, service to others, 51% of the time in one's last 1% of life, then that individual meets the minimum criteria Ra spoke of to graduate at Harvest to positive 4th Density... Afterall, time doesn't really exist, and nothing is more powerful than the Present moment... Did not Jesus, the Christ, forgive the Thief on the cross beside him and assure him he had a place in Heaven...
(01-03-2009, 08:31 PM)Chela Wrote: [ -> ]I believe that if anyone reaches an epiphany, such that, it transforms one's polarity to positive, service to others, 51% of the time in one's last 1% of life, then that individual meets the minimum criteria Ra spoke of to graduate at Harvest to positive 4th Density... Afterall, time doesn't really exist, and nothing is more powerful than the Present moment... Did not Jesus, the Christ, forgive the Thief on the cross beside him and assure him he had a place in Heaven...

Hi Chela!

I agree that it may be possible...I think that it would depend on the strength of the epiphany.

I don't recall whether Ra said the percentage was a cumulative total, or an average...anyone? But I do know that this is evidently what happens when 4D negatives switch to 4D positive without having to go back thru the densities. The strength of the charge may indeed count for a lot...but I would think that it would have to be more than 51% in the present moment, that would then translate to an overall end result of 51%.

I sort of doubt that it can be mathematically calculated...I have always suspected Ra used a percentage to illustrate a point about something that isn't quite that tangible...but I'm not sure about that.

How does walking the Steps of Light translate into mathematical calculations?

Anyway, it makes sense to me that an extremely highly charged moment of realization, maybe 90%, might have the overall effect of bringing the percentage into the STO harvestable range. It doesn't seem logical to me that a moment charged to only 51% would be sufficient.
(01-03-2009, 08:31 PM)Chela Wrote: [ -> ]I believe that if anyone reaches an epiphany, such that, it transforms one's polarity to positive, service to others, 51% of the time in one's last 1% of life, then that individual meets the minimum criteria Ra spoke of to graduate at Harvest to positive 4th Density... Afterall, time doesn't really exist, and nothing is more powerful than the Present moment... Did not Jesus, the Christ, forgive the Thief on the cross beside him and assure him he had a place in Heaven...

Chela, very good points. But the only thing I am curious about (besides Benjamin Button) is that when Ra delivered numbers in any way, it was done in a way that was relevant to our way of calculating. Ra would also always try to "guesstimate" and covert time/space movements into space/time units that we could put into familiar perspective. That said, it does seem that if the epiphany scenario took place, as long as one died in that state of open green ray, one is technically in that state.

Here's another spin on the question... Does anyone think that if space/time matters in this case, then 51% means that there's a crystallization of the green ray, which is proof positive that the entity has earned that harvestability?

We tend to talk about crystallization a lot, and I am beginning to wonder if it is important in terms of harvest, because it is a form of proof, instead of possibly being in a transient "mood" when death occurred.

To take it to an extreme, what if I activated my violet ray while meditating, and then I suddenly keeled over? Does that mean I just got a free pass to 6th or seventh density? Of course, no.. So that's why the who crystallization topic intrigues me.

We know how to over complicate this, don't we! Wink

Steve
Someday, I'd like to see what 51% looks like versus 52% Tongue

WB
Please share with us your understanding of crystallization. There are many references to crystallization, but I don't think I ever really grasped what it really is.
I think Ra might have tried a few ways, but then he/she/it probably felt like I do when I try to explain algebra to my cat BigSmile

WB

Please share with us your understanding of crystallization. There are many references to crystallization, but I don't think I ever really grasped what it really is.
(01-04-2009, 01:33 AM)WhiteBear Wrote: [ -> ]I think Ra might have tried a few ways, but then he/she/it probably felt like I do when I try to explain algebra to my cat BigSmile

WB

Please share with us your understanding of crystallization. There are many references to crystallization, but I don't think I ever really grasped what it really is.

That is a good question as to what it really is. I'll have to look it up to see if there is something specific for us. But if I were to take a shot at the description, I would guess that having a crystallized energy center means that you are packing enough "true light" of a certain color vibration that it begins to increase its density in that it becomes more tangible to, say, higher densities. We might not be able to see crystallization here in our 3rd density, but as we know, higher densities can observe all of our mixed vibrations. I suspect that an entity's energy centers collect enough light when opened to the point that it becomes a denser matter.

Now I need to look up crystallization to see how wrong I was.. lol!
Steve
I'm re-reading parts of book #2 tonight and there were some items on this.

Maybe crystalization is the creation of a crystal matrix that allows to receive the flow of universal energy in your body energy system. Like an antenna for different frequencies. Let's see what you dig up Smile

WB
(01-04-2009, 02:16 AM)WhiteBear Wrote: [ -> ]I'm re-reading parts of book #2 tonight and there were some items on this.

Maybe crystalization is the creation of a crystal matrix that allows to receive the flow of universal energy in your body energy system. Like an antenna for different frequencies. Let's see what you dig up Smile

WB

I saw a lot of references to crystallization (using the searchable database) but not an actual definition...still looking...
I just did a search as well... I can't find anything that serves as a definition!

Are you thinking what I'm thinking? Group Question to Q'uo!! BigSmile

The one interesting line I saw was this:

Quote:There is some crystallization of the energy centers used during each working so that the magician becomes more and more that which it seeks.

So to me, it seems as though the crystallizing effect is a way for the energy center to stabilize in its true color, its true purpose as a vibration, which means the person who is crystallized in a certain energy center believes that those virtues are part of his/her every day existence, meaning they are made permanent, and not just a state achieved while in a temporary meditation.

When one lives the principles of an energy center's true vibrations, the energy center collects more and more of that true color light, become more dense and dense to the point that it forms a truly crystalline nature.

Yikes, I might need to re-edit this... Or we could just ask Q'uo? hehe

Steve
(01-05-2009, 03:41 PM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote: [ -> ]So to me, it seems as though the crystallizing effect is a way for the energy center to stabilize in its true color, its true purpose as a vibration, which means the person who is crystallized in a certain energy center believes that those virtues are part of his/her every day existence, meaning they are made permanent, and not just a state achieved while in a temporary meditation.

When one lives the principles of an energy center's true vibrations, the energy center collects more and more of that true color light, become more dense and dense to the point that it forms a truly crystalline nature.

Yikes, I might need to re-edit this... Or we could just ask Q'uo? hehe

Steve

Steve, you did a great job of articulating what I understood it to be. I think you got it!

But yes, let's do ask Q'uo! Can you pass on the question?
I sure will! And I'll let this thread know if the question becomes asked during an upcoming Q'uo session.
(01-05-2009, 04:49 PM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote: [ -> ]I sure will! And I'll let this thread know if the question becomes asked during an upcoming Q'uo session.

I posed the question to Gary yesterday, and he has agreed that the question on crystallization would make for a good Q'uo question this weekend!

So hopefully we'll hear back soon enough and be able to have some interesting conversation about it!

Steve
Great thread on crystallization y'all've got going here! Your writing has definitely helped me dig deeper into the meaning of the crystallized energy center and the crystallized entity. Here is how I see it...

Catalyst strikes us seemingly both from within and without. This is understood. During the unconscious phase of our evolution, we are almost complete unaware of the operation of catalyst on us and the potential for spiritual growth which catalyst offers.

Even as we begin to become conscious of the possibility of spiritual evolution, we still tend to greet our catalyst with a great deal of confusion. More often than not during long stretches of our journey, we feel that we are undeserving victims of catalyst. Unaware of the true origins of catalyst, we project our blockages, imbalances, and distortions onto other selves. We do this to such an extent that we sincerely believe that the other self (or selves) is the cause of that which ails us. We have not yet fully begun to grasp that the self and only the self is the source of all catalyst. We have not yet begun to take responsibility.

During the stormy struggles to find that stable center of self, we react to catalyst in a million different ways. Often before we begin to grasp the infinitely more efficient means of processing catalyst - including loving and accepting that which occurs to us with a faithful attitude of focus and surrender - we attempt to relate to our catalyst in all the ways that confusion breeds. We attempt to control catalyst, to deny responsibility and project catalyst onto something outside the self, to fear catalyst, to contract and defend against catalyst, to lie to ourselves about its existence, to run away from catalyst, avoid it, to seek comfort and pleasure, and/or attempt to manipulate it into more preferred configurations.

In my humble opinion, as we engage in a disciplined way of seeking which begins to routinely and systematically make use of those most helpful practices which strengthen will and faith - such as prayer, praise and thanksgiving, tuning, and meditation - we gradually and steadily begin to bring balance to our energy system. We make headway in knowing the actual self as opposed to what we would like to conceive about ourselves. We begin to accept what is already there as we recognize the total and complete perfection of self.

As we move further along in this process, our reactions to catalyst become more regular, more disciplined, more stable, and less erratic. Though the winds of catalyst may blow hard, we remain - thanks to the habits formed from years of practicing our spiritual discipline, thanks to our capacity to remain faithful in the face of darkness and adversity - deeply rooted in the present moment. Catalyst begins to become transparent. The self knows itself and reacts less and less with an emotional charge. The self experiences movement, but is of itself unmoved.

As the self becomes more aware of itself through the process whose outline I've painted in broad strokes, the energy centers of the self develop regular and stable qualities. The self has done enough work with the self and, because of meditation, the work has sunk down and touched the roots of mind, that any catalyst which strikes does not cause the type of whirlwind of inner turmoil, stress, and torment which would be generated within the entity who does has not engaged in a systematic attempt to know the self, that is, the entity lacking self-awareness.

It is not that the entity with a firm foundation does not feel sorrow, grief, pain and suffering, rather is it that the entity has worked with the self long enough, and seen the endless parades of ups and downs, to be able to see through it all, remaining steady, centered, and relentlessly ready to begin again and again the work of prayer, acceptance, and the holding of the faithful attitude which sees all as one.

What I understand to happen in such an entity is that the energy centers themselves develop regular and geometric patterns as a result of this work and, as Steve was alluding to, the true nature of the chakra begins to become known to the self.

As you may know, the core essence of meditation is to return to the breath. Again and again and again to return to the breath. The life of the disciplined personality becomes meditation. It is an ongoing, never-ending, constant and unyielding attempt to return again and again to the practices of ones faith. This, I believe, regularizes the movement of energy through the chakra system.

This regularization forms patterns which form more permanent structures for the upward flow of energy through the chakras. Eventually, these regularized patterns harden into crystallized patterns.

These crystalline structures or patterns do not inhibit energy. Not at all. They are the fullest expression of an unblocked and balanced energy center. They allow the maximum amount of love/light through while simultaneously coloring that light by virtue of their utterly unique and exquisite patterns.

As the crystalline patterns are formed and in place, the entity can rely on the regular movement of energy through them without effort of any kind on its part. The work is done without thought and catalyst is processed in just such and such a way. In other words, it becomes somewhat automatic. It works on its own without effort of the conscious self.

Though the work of clearing and balancing the lower chakras is never-ending, (I don't think we ever escape that!), the crystalline entity is more and more freed from this work and able to move into the work of the higher chakras and able to continue to refine endlessly its balance and its choice to serve others.

As to a more precise articulation of the properties of a crystalline entity, I refer to the horse's mouth:

Quote:Session 47

QUESTIONER: Can you define what you mean by a “crystallized entity?”

RA: I am Ra. We have used this particular term because it has a fairly precise meaning in your language. When a crystalline structure is formed of your physical material the elements present in each molecule are bonded in a regularized fashion with elements in each other molecule. Thus the structure is regular and, when fully and perfectly crystallized, has certain properties. It will not splinter or break; it is very strong without effort; and it is radiant, traducing light into a beautiful refraction giving pleasure of the eye to many.

Thus the crystalline entity responds to the moment (and the catalyst therein) in a regularized fashion. No matter the intensity of the catalyst or the horror of the circumstance, the entity will not splinter or break, that is, the entity will not dissociate, will not lose its self-awareness, will not lose its balance. It is strong without effort, meaning that the conscious mind does not have to hold onto a preferred configuration of spiritually oriented thinking to greet the catalyst in the most effective way. The work is already being done for the self, you might say, by the crystallized energy centers. And, because maximum love and light are flowing through geometrical, symmetrical structures of infinite beauty, the self is radiant with the radiance of the One, the One that is no longer impeded by a self which believes itself to be separate.

Holy cow. This is long. This is why I don't posts to forums. BigSmile

Love you all!
Gary Bean
(01-07-2009, 02:53 AM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: [ -> ]Holy cow. This is long. This is why I don't posts to forums. BigSmile

Love you all!
Gary Bean

Holy cow, Gary! I think you nailed it! Please post more often!!!
Wow!!! Great post Gary. It sounds just like channeled material from Quo...

Maybe your Higher Self has helped you express your ideas in great form.
Good Lord, Gary.. Did you find yourself draped over a chair drenched in sweat when you finally came to?

It does sound like you just had a serious session with yourself there! Ok.. So what it sounds like you just said is...

Crystallization is a behavioral effect that is evidenced by the way we have spiritually evolved to take responsibility for our own catalyst.

*whoah, what happened? I think I just blacked out! * just kidding..

Again, great response, Gary! Does this mean we won't see you again until next year? Wink
Hi All in the land of One!!!
May the blessings of understanding Unity be our constant goal and infinite Joy in the Love and the Light of the One Infinite Creator!!!
Adonai

Concerning the discussion about the math involved in the STO or STS equation, I intuitively got the sense (when considering all else said in all of the sessions and also Secrets of the UFO) that since we are utterly and completely free will agent co-creators in a Unity-verse that wholly and completely honors free will without exception, and since we already do possess real knowledge in our 6th/7th density higher Selves, that ascension may not be a matter of being disallowed by the powers that Be for not quite measuring up according to some calculation, but will always and ever be a free will choice of each of us as co-creators learning from our experiences and ascending the moment we truly seek for it. So when and if we are harvested into 4th density (or are not harvested into 4th density) we must remember that it will have been each of us making a decision to or not to, not a situation where we are being judged to be not ready and therefore punished with rejection. What cannot be earned can only be agreed with and truly understood. The rest should quite naturally take care of itself in a profoundly simple Universe/Creation...
Love/Light, ChakRAmon

We must find a way to reach that understanding that we are never judged like religion would have us believe. We must find a way to dismiss and transcend such illusions adopted by so many of us
(01-07-2009, 06:04 PM)ChakRAmon Wrote: [ -> ]Hi All in the land of One!!!
May the blessings of understanding Unity be our constant goal and infinite Joy in the Love and the Light of the One Infinite Creator!!!
Adonai

Concerning the discussion about the math involved in the STO or STS equation, I intuitively got the sense (when considering all else said in all of the sessions and also Secrets of the UFO) that since we are utterly and completely free will agent co-creators in a Unity-verse that wholly and completely honors free will without exception, and since we already do possess real knowledge in our 6th/7th density higher Selves, that ascension may not be a matter of being disallowed by the powers that Be for not quite measuring up according to some calculation, but will always and ever be a free will choice of each of us as co-creators learning from our experiences and ascending the moment we truly seek for it. So when and if we are harvested into 4th density (or are not harvested into 4th density) we must remember that it will have been each of us making a decision to or not to, not a situation where we are being judged to be not ready and therefore punished with rejection. What cannot be earned can only be agreed with and truly understood. The rest should quite naturally take care of itself in a profoundly simple Universe/Creation...
Love/Light, ChakRAmon

We must find a way to reach that understanding that we are never judged like religion would have us believe. We must find a way to dismiss and transcend such illusions adopted by so many of us

I love this forum! I am learning so much from everyone!

Thank you for this valuable insight, ChakRAmon!
My pleasure DreamingPeace!!!
Words cannot express how delighted I am to see that LLReseach decided to create this new forum website where we can come together like this!!!
Thank you Carla and Gary and all at Bring4th for this opportunity to practice social memory complex behavior in One-ity....
Love/Light, ChakRAmon
(12-25-2008, 04:08 AM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote: [ -> ]Hi everyone! Whenever I read of hear about being in service to others (STO), I often see a follow up rule of thumb that as long as an individual is over 51% STO, he or she would be eligible for harvesting:

Quote:17.31 Questioner: I don’t wish to take up extra time asking questions over again. Some areas I consider important enough in relation to the Law of One to ask questions in a different way in order to get another perspective in the answer.

In the book Oahspe it states that if an entity goes over fifty one percent service to others and is less than fifty percent service to self, then that entity is harvestable. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct if the harvesting is to be for the positive fourth dimensional level.

However, I don't understand how this gets "judged" by oneself at the time of graduation. For instance, let's use Hitler as the example. If he were to live his life 99% in service to self, but has a genuine epiphany that causes himself to live the last 1% of his life in service to others, is he harvestable in 4th density positive because of where his heart evolved to when he died?

Or, would he tally his cumulative experiences at the time of death to realize that he was well under 51% in service to others and therefore must repeat 3rd density? Even though his epiphany has caused him to be wholeheartedly in service to others at the time of death, does he have to repeat third density again because of his lifelong experience of being in service to self?

Thanks!
Steve


I really enjoyed reading the discussion on this topic and I couldn't help throwing in my two cents.

I don't think that the 51% refers to a count of service to others versus service to self deeds over time. Rather, I believe that the 51% means that you are willing to sacrifice yourself for the good of another. That extra 1% says that when you believe it's the right thing to do, you will serve another even at your own expense.

In your example, I do believe than in a fine moment of inspiration someone like Hitler could become harvestable even after a history of service to self. The components would be a realization that other people are just as important as the self and a willingness for self sacrifice. Then, an opportunity to carry out that willingness. This last deed of self sacrifice would demonstrate 51% service to others.

Anyway, that's my take on it. It's a qualitative thing, not a quantitative one.

Thanks!
(01-07-2009, 10:25 PM)AugustEarth Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think that the 51% refers to a count of service to others versus service to self deeds over time. Rather, I believe that the 51% means that you are willing to sacrifice yourself for the good of another. That extra 1% says that when you believe it's the right thing to do, you will serve another even at your own expense.

In your example, I do believe than in a fine moment of inspiration someone like Hitler could become harvestable even after a history of service to self. The components would be a realization that other people are just as important as the self and a willingness for self sacrifice. Then, an opportunity to carry out that willingness. This last deed of self sacrifice would demonstrate 51% service to others.

Anyway, that's my take on it. It's a qualitative thing, not a quantitative one.

Thanks!

Very astute!
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