This post will be offensive to some of their followers, but I came to the conclusion that Alex Jones and Ron Paul were agents and traitors a few months ago. I fell for their doom and gloom crap probably like a lot of people.
Bill Cooper exposed Alex before 9/11 and I saw Ronnie boy giving an Illuminati handshake to Adam Corolla on a Comedy Central show recently. Ever wonder why these entities are still alive still spewing out info? Because they work for the Illuminati!
Anyway, what really surprised me today was that there was a card contained in the 1995 Illuminati Card Game looking VERY MUCH like the both of them...together no doubt, which I will upload, as well as some Obama cards!
I'd like to know your thoughts and I hope this post has been enlightening.
(07-07-2012, 02:51 AM)GreatSpirit Wrote: [ -> ]I'd like to know your thoughts and I hope this post has been enlightening.
No not really, but thank you for expressing your opinion!
I don't believe that either Alex Jones or Ron Paul are Illuminati.
But I have recently spent time studying Ron Paul, and he is more dangerous than I had thought.
Even if all those photos of him with all his damned racist friends are doctored.
Even if it's true that all those newsletters he once claimed to write and edit, and made millions from, were in fact never written by him, and never read by him, and he has no memory of who he hired to write them.
Even if all those videos showing him agree with his own writing are doctored and false.
Even if all of his votes in Congress have been doctored and lied about in the press.
Even if all those who say they saw him at white supremacist meetings are liars.
Even so, just listening to what he says now, today, is very dangerous. The Illuminati don't have to own him, all they need do is let him go his own way (if God Forbid he ever had the power) and he'll manage to destroy this country in his own unique way and without their help.
But I've never heard of the Illuminati playing cards. An ordinary deck?
The card you show us with those Jones and Paul look-alikes is a huge departure in art and design from the other three you show. Different artist, different style and different size.
So therefore not part of the deck. So why show us this ?
Calling someone Illuminati seems entirely too dangerously easy, and too frivolously done.
Is labeling people "Illuminati" the new fad these days? I think it's kind of humorous.
Illuminatis point is that we are all the illuminati. You'll find a card in there for you if you get strong enough. Its kind of a mirror for what goes wrong in your life the illuminati methinks. Dont really know for sure but i doubt members of the illuminati are aware of their nature as such because of illuminatis nature as 5thD STS i think. Wouldnt serve if you knew only death followed. Most people IN the illuminati are those trying to fight AGAINST the illuminati. I think.
everyone knows Ron Paul is a mason. that doesn't mean he's evil or illuminaughty. come on now. as for Alex Jones, i dunno his game but that picture doesn't even look like him. handshakes and cards is not evidence.
what dangerous things has Ron Paul said?
Illuminaughty. Lolololololol XD
(07-07-2012, 02:51 AM)GreatSpirit Wrote: [ -> ][...]I saw Ronnie boy giving an Illuminati handshake to Adam Corolla on a Comedy Central show recently.
After listening to hundreds of hours of the FM radio show, his own podcast, and even the old Loveline radio shows, the idea of Adam Carolla being some evil Illuminati is patently absurd to the point of being humorous.
I don't listen nearly as much as I used to due to me polarizing STO beyond what he has managed to accomplish in his view towards life, which is overall good intentioned, yet is lacking in some areas. His biggest weakness in this regard is his view that climbing the ladder from poverty to making some mild/moderate riches is the way to be "responsible and happy" in life for everyone, and seems to be completely naive to the machinations of extremely greedy people or that every single person can become rich monetarily.
What makes me even more sure that you have been mislead is that I never ever hear Adam even talk about Ron Paul since he launched his podcast endeavor 2 or 3 years ago. He is NEVER short on words on ANYONE he has any opinion of, good or bad. He will rant on an hour about someone he thinks is a good person or rant on about anyone he thinks is a bad person, and never avoids conversations. He probably barely knows Ron Paul exists, and yet he somehow has a secret Illuminati handshake with him? Right.
(07-07-2012, 07:00 AM)ahktu Wrote: [ -> ]Is labeling people "Illuminati" the new fad these days? I think it's kind of humorous.
If this a new fad, maybe we should buy out some company that makes blue jeans, label them "Illuminatis" and make lots of money from it.
(07-07-2012, 02:02 PM)Parsons Wrote: [ -> ]If this a new fad, maybe we should buy out some company that makes blue jeans, label them "Illuminatis" and make lots of money from it.
Or a T-shirt company and call them illuminaTEES
(07-07-2012, 06:05 AM)Charles Wrote: [ -> ]just listening to what he says now, today, is very dangerous.
Uh oh!! I just posted several links of Ron Paul
talking. I didn't intend to endanger anyone! :-/
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthrea...4#pid90794
I guess I need to post a warning:
DANGER! Ron Paul talks about peace and prosperity and treating other nations with respect! Listen at your own risk!
DANGER!
(07-07-2012, 06:05 AM)Charles Wrote: [ -> ]Calling someone Illuminati seems entirely too dangerously easy, and too frivolously done.
I agree. So it's ok to call them "dangerous," but not call them illuminati?
Question: Why is anyone playing with illuminati card decks? Isn't that kinda like playing with a Ouija board? or playing with matches?
I played with a Ouija board once when I was 10. Yikes! Everything it said must be true! Except...it wasn't.
I have come to the conclusion that Alex Jones is very frustrated and very pissed off. Put yourself in his shoes, look within and see the same frustration. You said you fell for the doom and gloom crap yourself, well imagine feeling like that all the time year after year. That's what Alex feels. He's a good man.
(07-07-2012, 02:51 PM)Avocado Wrote: [ -> ]I have come to the conclusion that Alex Jones is very frustrated and very pissed off. Put yourself in his shoes, look within and see the same frustration. You said you fell for the doom and gloom crap yourself, well imagine feeling like that all the time year after year. That's what Alex feels. He's a good man.
Well said!
lol Gemini that was genius.
I knew this would offend many people since Alex and Ron are perhaps the most well known in the conspiracy and "patriot" movements.
But regardless whether they are or aren't part of the bad guys, a very important thing to remember is that not even a wanderer or David Wilcock himself is beyond being fooled.
And I accept the possibility that I am wrong and I will deal with it, but I've learned to follow what my gut and 11/Pisces intuition tells me.
(07-07-2012, 03:34 PM)GreatSpirit Wrote: [ -> ]I knew this would offend many people since Alex and Ron are perhaps the most well known in the conspiracy and "patriot" movements.
I wasn't offended at all. Actually, I found it humorous!
(07-07-2012, 03:34 PM)GreatSpirit Wrote: [ -> ]But regardless whether they are or aren't part of the bad guys, a very important thing to remember is that not even a wanderer or David Wilcock himself is beyond being fooled.
True!
(07-07-2012, 03:34 PM)GreatSpirit Wrote: [ -> ]And I accept the possibility that I am wrong and I will deal with it,
Nice to know!
(07-07-2012, 03:34 PM)GreatSpirit Wrote: [ -> ]but I've learned to follow what my gut and 11/Pisces intuition tells me.
Ah, but the gut can fool too! :idea: That's why we have gut (emotions and/or intuition)
and mind (intellect)
and higher guidance (from meditation).
I wasn't offended either. I don't actually like Jones' stuff nor follow him. Heck, I've asked the exact same questions you're asking. Now, from what I understand suffering sucks. When I look at Alex Jones I'm like "wow there's a person in there and he sure looks like he's suffering". Even though I don't like his doom and gloom stuff, I still remember his feelings are valid and that he is an equally valid person. That's why I think he's a good man, not because of his actions but because [he has feelings too].
IMO......something is off w/ Alex Jones. Too much fear in his messages.
As for Paul.....well, I want to believe and do but I guess I haven't made up mind fully yet? One thing for certain as anyone who wants to shine a light on the Federal Reserve can't be all bad.
(07-09-2012, 04:41 PM)Daydreamin Wrote: [ -> ]IMO......something is off w/ Alex Jones. Too much fear in his messages.
where did he get all his funding from? he seemed to rise out of NOWHERE.
I've always put him and Rense in the same boat; a rejigged version of the Coast to Coast model for net 2.0.
I remember listen to Alex Jones when I was working as line tech in the truck or up a pole, mind you this was back in the late Clinton administration.
GreatSpirit, I have to interject with some support for you here. First, the Illuminati card game by Steve Jackson is legitimately a very big question mark. A majority of the cards have come to pass exactly as the art depicts, from 9/11 to the market crashes. I would not take these things lightly. To those who question why it doesn't look more like them, do you think they do these things in extremely obvious manners? They obscure their intentions while making things look innocuous.
As far as the illuminati handshake thing, I think people need to understand that there are so many layers to the power elite. There are levels to it all, but it doesn't mean they aren't connected. While Adam Corolla doesn't seem like a bad guy on his radio show, who he is off-air could be a completely different story. Additionally, he could be born into it, and while his personal opinions aren't necessarily aligned towards it, he still maintains great loyalty to his lodge or family. That's the other layer here; if they are giving some sort of handshake, it is probably associated with the masons, and once again, this is now not such a strange occurrence that they'd be doing such a thing. Secret societies have handshakes often enough...
The point is this: I think if we ever see a moment of judgment, we are all going to be very surprised by who is all actually working together on the same team. US politics drives me nuts because people don't understand that the solution is the 3rd option that isn't being offered. Both sides are a poison of a different sort - the medicine is locked away in the cabinet. Whether it's Ron Paul or Alex Jones, it would not surprise me to find out the whole thing is theatre from top to bottom. Would we really put anything past the true ruling power elite? The answer is ascending above the political system as we know it. The game has been far too rigged thus far for me to put my ultimate trust in anyone from the 'system' as it is (especially if they're a vet)
So GreatSpirit, I believe you and I support you. Personally, I don't think any candidate or politician will ever do the things we expect them to. Obama was about the best shot we could have asked for, and in my opinion, he hasn't been nearly as negative as other's believe. I'd still love to see what he could do with a majority in the house, and I wouldn't be surprised to see that come to pass in november and beyond. I think people forget how many decisions never get brought to him yet get attributed to him, but that's for another thread....
i thought Coast was ok! George Noory has interviewed DW so many times... i like those interviews.
(07-09-2012, 04:41 PM)Daydreamin Wrote: [ -> ]IMO......something is off w/ Alex Jones. Too much fear in his messages.
As for Paul.....well, I want to believe and do but I guess I haven't made up mind fully yet? One thing for certain as anyone who wants to shine a light on the Federal Reserve can't be all bad.
I agree with Alex Jones. He layers a good chunk of truth in his rants, but he directs people's energies in confusing manners. He empowers you with information but then steers it into a very bad place quite consistently. Always worst case scenario, which is not healthy if even half the things he speaks of are true. Exaggeration in such a serious subject is anti-productive, imo.
As for Ron Paul, I think he's ultimately a very tasty red herring. I don't know whether he is consciously on one side or the other, and it wouldn't surprise me if he were a positive wanderer, but it also wouldn't surprise me if he was being supported/controlled by some influences that aren't necessarily behind the federal reserve (Bush/Cheney faction?) and don't mind to see it crash and burn as they can swoop in and pick up the parts otherwise.
I guess my only hang up with Ron Paul is that many of his policies expect so much out of people and in that I see the strong possibility for division. In a 'Ron Paul' America, I visualize some communities as paradises of purpose and care, but I also see areas of the complete opposite being very possible as well. I think leaving it completely up to the people/market is far better in theory than in principle from a technological/future-oriented standpoint. As our capability grows (and hopefully it grows exponentially again very soon with released suppressed tech), we have to accept that we can take care of everyone if we just stop the infighting.
It's like our food market here on earth. We produce enough food for 10 Billion people, yet let half of it go to waste in the name of failed profits. I don't see Ron Paul's policies changing that type of problem. That's a big stopping point for me point blank as I feel that issue is the heart of everything. I understand the whole smaller government issue, but I would argue instead that the more important push is a responsible government. Social programs and such can be a huge boon to the people on both the accessibility and the cost front if you actually run them properly. THAT should be the goal. Save the leg; don't cut it off.
I'd love to hear what others think tho. I am open-minded towards having my mind changed. Maybe Ronny boy feels much differently than I have interpreted. Does Dr. Paul believe in prosperity programs?
(he was part of who wrote up NESARA, wasn't he?)
(07-10-2012, 11:20 AM)hogey11 Wrote: [ -> ]I guess my only hang up with Ron Paul is that many of his policies expect so much out of people and in that I see the strong possibility for division. In a 'Ron Paul' America, I visualize some communities as paradises of purpose and care, but I also see areas of the complete opposite being very possible as well.
Kinda sounds like how our Logos designed our planet. That free will stuff.
(07-10-2012, 11:20 AM)hogey11 Wrote: [ -> ]It's like our food market here on earth. We produce enough food for 10 Billion people, yet let half of it go to waste in the name of failed profits.
Way more than half. A huge amount of it goes to feed factory-farm animals. It would be much more efficient to feed the people directly.
(07-10-2012, 11:20 AM)hogey11 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't see Ron Paul's policies changing that type of problem. That's a big stopping point for me point blank as I feel that issue is the heart of everything.
Stopping point? Do any other candidates address this issue?
(07-10-2012, 11:20 AM)hogey11 Wrote: [ -> ]I understand the whole smaller government issue, but I would argue instead that the more important push is a responsible government. Social programs and such can be a huge boon to the people on both the accessibility and the cost front if you actually run them properly. THAT should be the goal. Save the leg; don't cut it off.
That could only work if:
a.) The government was honest
and
b.) Ron Paul is the only candidate who would cut enough spending (overseas empire) to save our country from bankruptcy. Social programs are moot if there's no money to fund them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXCZVmQ74OA
I guess I just have more trust in Ra's words that the 3D sphere is going to go away at some point. I don't see that happening while we continue to protect ourselves in 3D ways. We have to ascend to a whole different way of thinking. Frankly, Ron Paul's main thrust is 'Be good to others and have good others around you', but isn't that presumptuous? Do you really think everything should be private?
I understand why Ron Paul is so palatable in the face of how the government is currently acting as, but to think that one man could actually institute a massive amount of change in our current system is foolhardy. Obama already tried that and got neutered before he even got started. I believe he's been in a stalemate with the 'controllers' ever since; he's just trying to stay on the horse at this point (which is why he's been so centrist).
The underlying point and issue to all of this is really that government isn't working. We look to external sources to make a change in this department, but we have to accept at some point that everything needs to be done with completely different intentions. While Ron Paul would change some things, I do not see him changing the things that matter most. Ron Paul is just a bit of a messiah for those who are especially sour towards 'lazy' people, imo. That's the real problem with a lot of political opinions; they're not formed by policy but by preconceptions. The political process has made this very easy by attributing issues and stereotypes to different sources. These attributes stick, and soon we are thinking that all black people collect social assistance and are abusing free state sponsored cell phones (a rant from a cousin in MI recently) and if we didn't have Obama in office, we would never have ever.... it never ends. There are no solutions. If there were, they would have offered them already. The game is to create tension and create strife; who does it better?!?
I guess i've just gone one step further in my despondence in that I no longer trust anybody is on my team from within. We're never going to turn right a system that has the power elites DNA in it's very creation and existence. We have to go in a completely different direction. Giving ownership of everything to private holdings is not a purely positive step, in my opinion. I don't see how more 'ownership' helps us spiritually, unless you want to argue that the opportunities to serve only become that much more pointed and obvious with more suffering...
Do you think we are evolved enough to really give the keys over to the people who 'own things' to take care of the least of us? That's what I see Ron Paul promoting, and I don't trust the top of the heap as much as Ron Paul does.
Ive been a Ron Paul supporter for years. That said, many of his ideas are quite... dramatic.
Few people will find that they agree with 100% of what "Dr. No" (a name given to him due to his congressional voting record).
By coming out with powerful, and well thought out (disagree or not, hes done his homework) viewpoints he going to turn people off. But they miss the core message, of a responsible system of government that promotes Liberty. Socialist, anarchist, or anything inbetween, at this point, I would take any of it, if run well and with an eye to protecting, not exploiting and managing its citizens (not subjects).
Ron Paul has been the best this country has had to have this since Andrew Jackson left office.
Well ill make a caveat that if Kennedy had been able to serve to end of a no doubt second term there may have been a good chance. But see what happens we try to have nice things?
(07-10-2012, 01:34 AM)hogey11 Wrote: [ -> ]...While Adam Corolla doesn't seem like a bad guy on his radio show, who he is off-air could be a completely different story. Additionally, he could be born into it, and while his personal opinions aren't necessarily aligned towards it, he still maintains great loyalty to his lodge or family.
Respectfully, both of these assumptions are just that, assumptions. He was born to a very poor/apathetic family. His parents are both apathetic hippies with no money their whole lives. He grew up in a very poor area, North Hollywood.
Also, I have met him off air(shook his hand) and have been listening to him for countless hours on air, he literally HAS NO ON AIR PERSONA that is in any way different than his off air self. He is not two faced, as you seem to assume. He has no issue voicing whatever is on his mind (no matter how controversial), so I don't even think he is capable of sitting on a secret of that magnitude.
To give even more background: he has been an atheist most of his life, although he seems to have not been talking about it all recently. Despite this, he volunteered to be a Catholic big brother before he was famous, just to be a nice guy (and despite being an atheist). I know he is not fabricating this, as he has spoken of the kid he helped several times on air. The kid was a russian kid named Nathan, and Adam often described buying him taco bell and chauffeuring him around the ghettos of North Hollywood in his crappy pickup truck.
So as far as I'm concerned, the source of information that reported he gave Ron Paul an Illuminati handshake is either very badly mistaken/paranoid or fabricated it entirely. I suppose there is some crazy outside chance that they somehow got to him and he learned to keep his big mouth shut. But if they are bothering trying to control some B or C list actor/comedian that has never been all that wealthy or powerful... Yeah, the odds that this is true is extremely low and makes no logical or (personally)intuitive sense to me.
I hope Ron Paul is legit. I totally admit that I may have been misled on his policies. I just think that sometimes everyone in politics is just too good to be true. I am willing to be wrong about Ron Paul. In fact, I hope I am just being hyper-critical; i'm all for truth and light, and I do see Ron Paul attempting to bring that forward.
I'm just ALWAYS wary of a bait & switch.
(07-13-2012, 06:03 PM)hogey11 Wrote: [ -> ]I hope Ron Paul is legit. I totally admit that I may have been misled on his policies. I just think that sometimes everyone in politics is just too good to be true. I am willing to be wrong about Ron Paul. In fact, I hope I am just being hyper-critical; i'm all for truth and light, and I do see Ron Paul attempting to bring that forward.
I'm just ALWAYS wary of a bait & switch.
Actually, I am not completely ruling out bait and switch with RP. I feel about as strongly about him as Monica has expressed, but I just don't have the same personal background as she does with him. So I have to be fair a leave a small chance that he is acting (very very small chance).
I'll love him regardless