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Some of you may remember this from the old bring4th forums.

Ra says that they are called (or were in 1981) by 352,000. Applying the law of squares to that number, we get something like this:

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I'm not very mathematically inclined. Confused Can you please explain? What is the formula and what is the significance of the giant number?
The forum software truncated the post. That's only 60% of the number, but I think you get the idea. No wonder Ra said that calculating the calling of the Confederation as a whole (632 million in 1981) was approximately meaningless.

Methodology:
Code:
echo "2^352000 * 1012/1024" | bc

(02-01-2009, 07:06 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not very mathematically inclined. Confused Can you please explain? What is the formula and what is the significance of the giant number?

As usual, Ra said it best: "The number is approximately meaningless in the finite sense as there are many, many digits. It, however, constitutes a great calling which we of all creation feel and hear as if our own entities were distorted towards a great and overwhelming sorrow. It demands our service."
Explanation of the formula:

Ra said that when you apply the law of squares to 10 you get 1012. 2 to the 10th power is 1024. Ra said there was some loss due to insincerity, apparently approximately 1012/1024.

So I took 2 and put it to the 352000th power and then decreased that by the same proportion (1012/1024).
OK I understand the number of those who call, but I don't quite understand how a number is used to denote the service. What exactly is this number that you are calculating? Ra said, "The service available for our offering to those who call us is equivalent to the square of..." Why/how is service being expressed in a number?

Here's the rest of that dialog, for reference:

7.1 Questioner: You mentioned that there were a number of members of the Confederation of Planets. What avenues of service, or types of service, are available to the members of the Confederation?

Ra: I am Ra. I am assuming that you intend the service which we of the Confederation can offer, rather than the service which is available to our use.

The service available for our offering to those who call us is equivalent to the square of the distortion/need of that calling divided by, or integrated with, the basic Law of One in its distortion indicating the free will of those who are not aware of the unity of creation.

7.2 Questioner: From this, I am assuming that the difficulty that you have in contacting this planet at this time is the mixture of people here, some being aware of the unity, and some not, and for this reason you cannot come openly or give proof of your contact. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. As we just repeated through this instrument, we must integrate all of the portions of your social memory complex in its illusory disintegration form. Then the product of this can be seen as the limit of our ability to serve. We are fortunate that the Law of Service squares the desires of those who call. Otherwise, we would have no beingness in this time/space at this present continuum of the illusion. In short, you are basically correct. The thought of not being able is not a part of our basic thought-form complex towards your peoples, but rather it is a maximal consideration of what is possible.

7.3 Questioner: By squared, do you mean that if ten people call you can count that, when comparing it to the planetary ratio, as 100 people, squaring ten and getting 100?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The square is sequential-one, two, three, four, each squared by the next number.

7.4 Questioner: If only ten entities on earth required your services how would you compute their calling by using this square method?

Ra: I am Ra. We would square one ten sequential times, raising the number to the tenth square.

7.5 Questioner: What would be the result of this calculation?

Ra: I am Ra. The result is difficult to transmit. It is 1,012, approximately. The entities who call are sometimes not totally unified in their calling and, thus, the squaring slightly less. Thus, there is a statistical loss over a period of call. However, perhaps you may see by this statistically corrected information the squaring mechanism.

7.6 Questioner: About how many entities at present on planet Earth are calling for your services?

Ra: I am Ra. I am called personally by 352,000. The Confederation, in its entire spectrum of entity-complexes, is called by 632,000,000 of your mind/body/spirit complexes. These numbers have been simplified.

7.7 Questioner: Can you tell me what the result of the application of the Law of Squares is to those figures?

Ra: I am Ra. The number is approximately meaningless in the finite sense as there are many, many digits. It, however, constitutes a great calling which we of all creation feel and hear as if our own entities were distorted towards a great and overwhelming sorrow. It demands our service.

7.8 Questioner: At what point would this calling be great enough for you to come openly among the people on Earth? How many entities on Earth would have to call the Confederation?

Ra: I am Ra. We do not calculate the possibility of coming among your peoples by the numbers of calling, but by a consensus among an entire societal-memory complex which has become aware of the infinite consciousness of all things. This has been possible among your peoples only in isolated instances.
(02-01-2009, 10:31 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: [ -> ]OK I understand the number of those who call, but I don't quite understand how a number is used to denote the service. What exactly is this number that you are calculating? Ra said, "The service available for our offering to those who call us is equivalent to the square of..." Why/how is service being expressed in a number?

I don't really know why it's that way -- that's just the way it is, according to Ra. Each additional person calling doubles the call. When you start with one and then double it 352,000 times you get a very, very big number.

Here's a quote from session 10 that says the same thing in a different way:
Quote:10.13 Questioner: Could you state this in a little different way … how you empower this call?

Ra: I am Ra. We understand you to speak now of our previous information. The call begins with one. This call is equal to infinity and is not, as you would say, counted. It is the cornerstone. The second call is added. The third call empowers or doubles the second, and so forth, each additional calling doubling or granting power to all the preceding calls. Thus, the call of many of your peoples is many, many-powered and overwhelmingly heard to the infinite reaches of the One Creation.

ayadew

"Many, many numbers." is an understatement, hehe. I did it myself now and the number is immense. I cannot understand the definition of the "power" but it feels utterly profound.
That's over 10^100000. Meaning that if the energy of one caller is somewhere near an electron volt. (This is ridiculously low if you measure the power some telekinetics can project. But still if we pick 1 eV as our number.) Then the total energy of the call is still magnitudes larger than the total energy of the universe. And seriously capable of vaporizing the entire universe in an instant.

Are you sure we are reading this right? Ra states that the initial call is uncounted and similar to infinity, not to an actual value. So does it make sense to actually calculate this number? Aren't we looking at some higer density interaction that we are unable to visualize at this point? And that has no real meaning in third density?

In my opinion it is impossible to place any sort of meaning on these numbers. If something like it exists in the universe. Then there's infinity.. This number... Then a whole lot of nothing and then the total energy of the universe almost immediately followed by your daily calorie intake..

That's how retarded this number makes me feel when I try to wrap my mind around it... Smile
For what it's worth, I always read Ra's description of the calling as an indicator of magnitude, similar to our use of a decibel scale for expressing relative sound magnitudes. This also being why Ra referred to it as the "rule of squares". So, in much the same way that an earthquake that is 1 value higher on the Richter scale is actually 10 times the magnitude, so to is the call magnitude doubled for each additional person calling forth.

As to how much energy is expressed in space/time by this calling, I suspect that the answer is little or none, since I believe that the call is expressed as a beacon visible in time/space.

Thus, even though the projection of even a single entity's calling is an infinite beam of light in time/space, one could think of the doubling effect as increasing the magnitude, or diameter of the beacon therein.

Thus we have described a VERY wide beacon of light expressed in time/space, and one which is clearly visible at all corners of the time/space portion of our universe.

3D Sunset
(02-02-2009, 11:48 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: [ -> ]Are you sure we are reading this right? Ra states that the initial call is uncounted and similar to infinity, not to an actual value. So does it make sense to actually calculate this number? Aren't we looking at some higer density interaction that we are unable to visualize at this point? And that has no real meaning in third density?

Eh, good point!
Did you ever see a visualization of a rotating hypercube?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/co...simple.gif

This is of course a 3d projection of a 4d event. (Screen coordinates and time) And in our defense: none of us would be able to identify our best friends image if it were projected unto a 1d piece of string. But it serves to clarify my point that it's a little hard to figure things out this way. If you see this and don't know the underlying math it's not telling you anything at all just that it looks weird. If you know the math you can do the math and make predictions that work out and make these weird pictures. But you're still not having the most basic understanding of seeing it because your visual cortex is 3d in nature.

In the same way I reject the idea that this number makes sense to our frame of reference. It might still be accurate to a hyperdimensional mathematician. But uncle Ali doesn't get it. Wink And he's not even sure there's anything to get about this other than the spiritual message which is clear and very important and maybe the idea that a few densities up it might all still make sense.

It's very relevant in the sense that if we're ever asking if we're making a difference in the world now we know that we're personally responsible for effectively doubling the signal that is invoking a positive outcome. In other words. We're all important beyond measure.

It occurred to me that βαθμιαίος is possibly the first person on earth to have calculated this number. Cool The amount of memory required by a computer to simply represent this number was restricted to dedicated computer science researchers when Ra sent his transmission. And if I guess at the odds that someone else since had the same idea and the software and knowledge to do it they'd be low. Tongue

Your curiosity is legendary. Tongue
(02-02-2009, 11:48 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: [ -> ]Are you sure we are reading this right? Ra states that the initial call is uncounted and similar to infinity, not to an actual value. So does it make sense to actually calculate this number?

Well, Ra did calculate it for 10, so presumably it's a number and can be calculated. However, they didn't tell us how to calculate the statistical loss that they mentioned. But at the same time you are right -- they said the result of the calculation was "approximately meaningless in the finite sense."

(02-02-2009, 03:58 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: [ -> ]It's very relevant in the sense that if we're ever asking if we're making a difference in the world now we know that we're personally responsible for effectively doubling the signal that is invoking a positive outcome. In other words. We're all important beyond measure.

Yes, I agree, that's an excellent observation. Each one of us is responsible for doubling that immense number (or a number somewhat like it).

(02-02-2009, 03:58 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: [ -> ]It occurred to me that βαθμιαίος is possibly the first person on earth to have calculated this number. Cool The amount of memory required by a computer to simply represent this number was restricted to dedicated computer science researchers when Ra sent his transmission. And if I guess at the odds that someone else since had the same idea and the software and knowledge to do it they'd be low. Tongue

Your curiosity is legendary. Tongue

LOL! It's what happens when a Law of One geek becomes a linux geek. Smile

I just think it's a cool number. Kind of like trying to wrap your mind around infinity, only it's an infinity that we are helping to create. I look at that huge number and say, wow, we did that!
I'm still a newblet in the LOO, and from what I understand, the exponentiates are huge. And although there are numerous 'calls' to Ra alone, would this, instead, be measured in intensity instead of capacity? As we are all one collective soul, I tend to feel it is the amplitude of the call versus the quantity of callers. An inward ebbing of the tide in lieu of a heavy downpour, so to speak... Would this be a logical analysis?
I cannot fit all of those calculations in my head at one time, so I put it into a context I could conceptualize. Tongue
(02-02-2009, 07:41 PM)Horizon Wrote: [ -> ]...I tend to feel it is the amplitude of the call versus the quantity of callers.

I strongly agree with you, in the respect of how our call is seen in time/space. However, the quotes from Ra do point out that the calls are from m/b/s complexes, so it has also been measured that way for our own comprehension.

But here's something to think about... My impression is that the "call" Ra speaks of comes from all 3rd densities around us. Consider the following:

Quote:Ra: I am Ra. I am called personally by 352,000. The Confederation, in its entire spectrum of entity-complexes, is called by 632,000,000 of your mind/body/spirit complexes. These numbers have been simplified.

Now I can understand that at the time Don was asking the questions, Ra cited that almost half a million souls were calling Ra personally. If I were to look at it even more objectively, I'd say, "Sure! Most of them MUST be coming from Egypt!"

But if you read further in the same passage, Ra continues to say that 632 million call the Confederation in general. I don't know about you all, but do you think our planet has 632 million "calls" in to the Confederation, specifically?

Realistically speaking, 10 years prior to Don asking the question to Ra, Wikipedia states the Roman Catholic religion was counted worldwide at 654 million members. Wouldn't you think the Confederation would be more of a household name if Ra meant these calls were only from Gaia? Not likely, right? Which means those calls must also be coming from other societies who are more aware of The Confederation than we are as a whole, which justifies the point that Ra sees an amplitude of the calling across the 3rd density spectrum, and is able to break down how many souls would be responsible for making that kind of call.

Just food for thought...
Steve
(02-02-2009, 10:17 PM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote: [ -> ]Now I can understand that at the time Don was asking the questions, Ra cited that almost half a million souls were calling Ra personally. If I were to look at it even more objectively, I'd say, "Sure! Most of them MUST be coming from Egypt!"

But if you read further in the same passage, Ra continues to say that 632 million call the Confederation in general. I don't know about you all, but do you think our planet has 632 million "calls" in to the Confederation, specifically?

For what it's worth, my thought is that the calling is unconscious. You are aware that life could be better, more harmonious and light-filled, but you aren't sure how to get there from here. This creates a call. When you call Ra, or some other entity of the Confederation, it's not by name but rather because your vibrations match theirs. Consider these quotes:

First, in the very first session Ra said "We have been called to your group, for you have a need for the diversity of experiences in channeling which go with a more intensive, or as you might call it, advanced approach to the system of studying the pattern of the illusions of your body, your mind, and your spirit, which you call seeking the truth."

Don, Carla, and Jim weren't calling Ra by name. In fact, Carla told me recently that she questioned Ra rather austerely when they came to her because she'd heard the name Ra and thought that the entity that was approaching her might be playing games. So it's not that they were calling Ra by name. Rather, the quality of their seeking was such that it called Ra.

Similarly, consider this quote:
Quote:21.13 Questioner: When did the first call occur, and how did it occur?

Ra: I am Ra. The first calling was approximately 46,000 of your years ago. This calling was of those of Maldek. These entities were aware of their need for rectifying the consequences of their action and were in some confusion in an incarnate state as to the circumstances of their incarnation; the unconscious being aware, the conscious being quite confused. This created a calling. The Confederation sent love and light to these entities.

The Maldek entities were calling the Confederation, though they were unaware that that's what they were doing.

So yes, I think it's entirely possible that in 1981 632 million earthlings were calling the Confederation, though most were probably unaware that they were doing so. My guess is that it was their confusion, their sense that something wasn't quite right but that they didn't know what to do about it that created the calling that the Confederation found impossible to ignore:
Quote:The One Being of the creation is like unto a body, if you will accept this third-density analogy. Would we ignore a pain in the leg? A bruise upon the skin? A cut which is festering. No. There is no ignoring a call.
(02-02-2009, 10:17 PM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote: [ -> ]But if you read further in the same passage, Ra continues to say that 632 million call the Confederation in general. I don't know about you all, but do you think our planet has 632 million "calls" in to the Confederation, specifically?

I never thought of the call as being specifically calling Ra by name. Not even Carla, Don and Jim did that. I think it's a call of vibration...many may seek the LOO without ever realizing what it is called or who the Confederation is. They then put the answer to the call in the flavor that is palatable to the caller.

Thus, I think there are many, many more who call, right now on the planet, who may be from many various religions, cultures, etc.
(02-02-2009, 11:00 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: [ -> ]For what it's worth, my thought is that the calling is unconscious. You are aware that life could be better, more harmonious and light-filled, but you aren't sure how to get there from here. This creates a call. When you call Ra, or some other entity of the Confederation, it's not by name but rather because your vibrations match theirs.

Ah, we just said the same thing!
And another thing is that Christ is a confederation entity, too, isn't he? I might be wrong about that, but at least Yahweh are - the original ones - so I guess Christianity could count as well? At least when there's a match between the energy of the one who calls and the confederation contact. And, sometimes it doesn't even have to do with religion, like in Tesla's case.
(02-02-2009, 10:17 PM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-02-2009, 07:41 PM)Horizon Wrote: [ -> ]...I tend to feel it is the amplitude of the call versus the quantity of callers.

I strongly agree with you, in the respect of how our call is seen in time/space. However, the quotes from Ra do point out that the calls are from m/b/s complexes, so it has also been measured that way for our own comprehension.

But here's something to think about... My impression is that the "call" Ra speaks of comes from all 3rd densities around us. Consider the following:

Quote:Ra: I am Ra. I am called personally by 352,000. The Confederation, in its entire spectrum of entity-complexes, is called by 632,000,000 of your mind/body/spirit complexes. These numbers have been simplified.

Now I can understand that at the time Don was asking the questions, Ra cited that almost half a million souls were calling Ra personally. If I were to look at it even more objectively, I'd say, "Sure! Most of them MUST be coming from Egypt!"

But if you read further in the same passage, Ra continues to say that 632 million call the Confederation in general. I don't know about you all, but do you think our planet has 632 million "calls" in to the Confederation, specifically?

Realistically speaking, 10 years prior to Don asking the question to Ra, Wikipedia states the Roman Catholic religion was counted worldwide at 654 million members. Wouldn't you think the Confederation would be more of a household name if Ra meant these calls were only from Gaia? Not likely, right? Which means those calls must also be coming from other societies who are more aware of The Confederation than we are as a whole, which justifies the point that Ra sees an amplitude of the calling across the 3rd density spectrum, and is able to break down how many souls would be responsible for making that kind of call.

Just food for thought...
Steve

I can understand ya on that one. Trying to put a mathematical indicator to the call of millions of souls is mindboggling. I also see the spectator sport as an analogy. There could be 35,200 people in the stadium watching a much anticipated championship. As soon as one team scores, the amplitude of calling is elevated.
Either way, I got love and light for the 'callers' Wink
(02-03-2009, 01:44 PM)Ole Wrote: [ -> ]And another thing is that Christ is a confederation entity, too, isn't he? I might be wrong about that, but at least Yahweh are - the original ones - so I guess Christianity could count as well? At least when there's a match between the energy of the one who calls and the confederation contact. And, sometimes it doesn't even have to do with religion, like in Tesla's case.

Jesus the Christ is indeed a Confederation entity. And thank you for making the distinction between the original Yahweh and the STS entity who used that name.

I don't think a religion could be categorized as being Confederation or not. Christianity, as with any other religion or organization, is composed of many various entities, some of whom are STS, some STO, and some still sitting on the fence. Certainly many entities who identify with a religion do call! But I think it is the individual entity who calls, not a group entity like a religion. I see the group identification as more of a superficial label only.
The idea of calling, reminds me of a telephone calls, and of telephone rings. So I wonder if by metaphor there could be an equivalence from a human perspective. Furthermore, I have no sense of what Ra's calling capacity is: if there is some short cut (time space to space time) that allows them to respond in some unconventional way to a very large number of telephone rings, allowing them free time to participate in channeling sessions, dreams and other amusements.


paddy
I think there may well be a shortcut. If I recall correctly, Ra said something to the effect that they are not part of our time and are able to be with us during any of our times.

I like the telephone analogy. You can see how that number of phone calls might be overwhelming.
This talk concerning the action of "calling" in this thread is inspiring. It is so uplifting to know that, in order to receive help from one quadrant of this universe or another, all we need do is call.

What do you all think about the difference between the conscious and the unconscious call?

As I see it, likely the more effective call will be the one made consciously – from the sincerity and depths of our own heart – because we would:

a) be consciously exercising and strengthening our will & faith in the act of the call, a most beneficial (and not to be underestimated) help to our evolution in and of itself, and

b) we would be more apt to both understand and receive the response (in any of the innumerable forms it may take) because we have sent out a broadcast and have hopefully become receptive and sensitive to a return response.

Yet, according to what some of you have said in this thread, that being that the call need not be conscious, we may still call through an unconscious desire for freedom, for love, and for peace – initiating the mechanism of the call and receiving help in response!

The difficulty I would imagine with the unconscious call is that, well, the entity is not conscious of the call – in other words, not entirely aware of the action of and cause for the call. Consequently the help received may go unrecognized. For instance, the entity may desire an opportunity for healing on an unconscious level, and when that opportunity inevitably presents itself, say through the possibility of a new relationship or the opportunity to make amends with a loved one, the opportunity is not taken and passes the entity by.

Nonetheless, the mechanism of calling bolsters my faith in an intelligent, conscious, and responsive universe, in addition to strengthening my understanding that all happens as a result of free will.

All that need happen in order to change trajectory and the infinite web of possibility is to incline the mind in the direction of that which is sought and needed, even if that inclination happens on a level below the threshold of conscious awareness.

What a power to be harnessed if used consciously, diligently, and conscientiously! We as individuals and as groups call… and the universe’s many, many representatives, Ra included, respond. Even more so, we are aided by those resources deep within ourselves, our own native system of guidance.

In closing, there is one final thought I wanted to offer about the calling. That being that many if not virtually all of those present on this forum are living testaments to the desire of the universe to respond to the calling. Many of us are breathing answers to the call of suffering and sorrow made upon planet Earth – the best answer the Confederation could offer to the request for help: the wanderer.

Amour et Lumière,
GLB
Okay, cool synchronicity to share which is in keeping with the theme of the power of doubling.

(I include the following incidentals because they explain how this, to me at least, is synchronicity.)

Over the weekend I attended a wedding in the Virginia mountains. While at the wedding site on the side of a mountain with nothing to do and not knowing anyone there because this was a friend of my girlfriend's who was marrying, I was outside finishing a great book, "Outliers" by Malcolm Gladwell. The homeowner and host of the wedding (who also owns a coffee shop stocked with used books) inquired into my reading material and upon learning it was Malcom Gladwell, gave me a spare copy of another Gladwell book, "The Tipping Point: How Little Things Can Make a Big Difference". I gratefully accepted his gift, uncertain of when I would ever get to the new book. This was three days ago.

Because of L/L's annual Homecoming hosted over Labor Day weekend, I've been behind in reading the Bring4th forums. In fact I think it's been a few weeks since I've read anything.

Today, I had only a moment to check in with the forums. In that moment, βαθμιαίος's "Ra's Calling" thread caught my eye and, upon reading, compelled a response from me. So I added my own post earlier this afternoon (even though I didn't really have the time).

This evening as I shoved a vegetable wrap into my mouth, I opened up my new book, "Tipping Point". Immediately within the first opening pages of the Introduction I saw a fantastic and synchronistic connection between the premise of the "Ra's Calling" thread and the book. Following I will share a section from page 10:

(Note: Gladwell does not use the word "epidemic" in the following section in a strictly biological sense. He purports that ideas, products, messages, and behaviors spread just like viruses do and are thus understandable as epidemics.)

"The second of the principles of epidemics - that little changes can somehow have big effects - is also a fairly radical notion. We are, as humans, heavily socialized to make a kind of rough approximation between cause and effect. We are trained to think that what goes into any transaction or relationship or system must be directly related, in intensity and dimension, to what comes out.

Consider, for example, the following puzzle. I give you a large piece of paper, and I ask you to fold it over once, and then take that folder paper and fold it over again, and then again, and again, until you have refolded the original paper 50 times. How tall do you think that final stack is going to be? In answer to that question, most people will fold the sheet in their mind's eye, and guess that the pile would be as thick as a phone book or, if they're really courageous, they'll say that it would be as tall as a refrigerator. But the real answer is that the heigh of the stack would approximate the distance to the sun. And if you folded it over on more time, the stack would be as high as the distance to the sun and back.

This is an example of what in mathematics is called a geometric progression: when a virus spreads through a population, it doubles and doubles again, until it has (figuratively) grown from a single sheet of paper all the way to the sun in fifty steps. As human beings we have a hard time with this kind of progression, because the end result - the effect - seems far out of proportion to the cause. To appreciate the power of epidemics, we have to abandon this expectation of proportionality. We need to prepare ourselves for the possibility that sometimes big changes follow from small events, and that sometimes these changes can happen very quickly."

After only barely beginning the book, I know it will be a classic in my own library and considering that I loved the author's previous book, I would high recommend this to you.

: ) GLB
(09-22-2009, 04:57 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: [ -> ]The difficulty I would imagine with the unconscious call is that, well, the entity is not conscious of the call – in other words, not entirely aware of the action of and cause for the call. Consequently the help received may go unrecognized.
If all is one, then nothing that would or could actually exist, can be entirely conscious - otherwise there would be no point in the call (some question) in the first place.

So what perpetuates the difficulty? As far as I can tell, this suffering is due to an unacknowledged or mistrusted Self. This mistrust necessarily prevents an honest approach that's innately, fully capable of receiving an answer to any question.

In the grand scheme of things, you already are the answer, yet this part of you that can answer (that already IS the answer) is still unconscious. So, in the dark, lacking an understanding of the (actual) question (and the relevant part of ourselves), we must then project something of the question onto everything we come in contact with and relate to. This creates a vaccuum-of-expectation dynamic with the universe - a "call", vague apprehension, an attraction, a predisposition, etc. The always forthcoming "answer" can be symbolic, allegorical, metaphorical, an epiphany, a synchronistic event, etc. But such an answer can only address that which had been asked or there'd be some free will deprivation.
I wonder if a person's ability to call is related to their receptivity, or if the two functions can act independent of the other. There's likely metaphor to the body, where a person can speak but can't hear well, or vice versus. Then there are the people who function okay but hold a sense of denial (mistrust, doubt, etc) that can inhibit them: they don't get the answer they're looking for and so may not be satisfied. (Possibly the skill in taking leaps of faith is best developed with daily practice.)


paddy
(09-26-2009, 03:01 AM)paddy Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder if a person's ability to call is related to their receptivity, or if the two functions can act independent of the other.
They can't be independent, precisely because they are one in the same function. They may only seem to act independent, due to an imposed reference which excludes (out of convenience).
Quote:They can't be independent, precisely because they are one in the same function. They may only seem to act independent, due to an imposed reference which excludes (out of convenience).

I think of the word calling in this context as related to summoning, and I think of the word bidding in this context as related to performing a service. If bidding and calling then are one may be considered one and the same function, then it seems as if the two parties involved are conjoined into one in such a way that the two actions might be considered one in the same, just as breathing may be a combination of exhaling and inhaling.

Another way of considering one and the sameness is with the concept of that in a simultaneous moment there may be some sort of reciprocal trade that happens, which differs only in perception of the two parties involved. This may be not so unlike listening to music with someone else but coming away from the experience of listening with a very different opinion. This could be interpreted as a filtering effect that promotes an illusory vision streamlined down from the whole story.

I think many people more easily relate to time delay cause and effect experiences, like an echo effect. The call happens first and then the bidding occurs as an effect. Here the act of calling may distract a person from using their sensory acuity in a way that allows them to better perceive the bidding. So they call first and then remain quiet in waiting for the bidding, as a person may do who listens for an echo.


paddy
Quote:Questioner: By squared, do you mean that if ten people call you can count that, when comparing it to the planetary ratio, as 100 people, squaring ten and getting 100?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The square is sequential-one, two, three, four, each squared by the next number.

Questioner: If only ten entities on earth required your services how would you compute their calling by using this square method?

Ra: I am Ra. We would square one ten sequential times, raising the number to the tenth square.

Questioner: What would be the result of this calculation?

Ra: I am Ra. The result is difficult to transmit. It is 1,012, approximately. The entities who call are sometimes not totally unified in their calling and, thus, the squaring slightly less. Thus, there is a statistical loss over a period of call. However, perhaps you may see by this statistically corrected
information the squaring mechanism.

When I first read this I was under the impression that Ra was stating 1 as effectively 2, such that 2^10 = 1024 and that the statistical loss dropped it by 12 to 1012.

However reading it more carefully I'm under the impression that the actual meaning is this:

2*\!\(\*UnderoverscriptBox[\(\[Sum]\), \(j = 0\), \(10\)]\(\((j + 1)\)^2\)\)

Or for those of you who aren't familiar with Mathematica:

2*sum (j + 1)^2, j = 0 to 10

This works out to be exactly 1012 and it fits the description of:

Quote:The square is sequential-one, two, three, four, each squared by the next number.

The only anomaly really is that it needs to be multiplied by 2. Then again the anomaly persists even in the first interpretation because 1^10 = 1 is obviously not 1012 nor is it 1024. So we have to make the mental leap to say that somehow Ra is implying the square of 1 is actually 2. One way to attempt to evaluate this is: Sqrt(1^2 + 1^2) = Sqrt(2). Thus the square of this unit in natural numbers starts with Sqrt(2)^2 = 2. Since Ra seems to be talking whole units it's understandable then that they very likely just took the first perfect square of the square-root of 2 and work from there.

It would be interesting if we could get one more example from Ra, to figure out which interpretation is the right one.

Any other particular takes on this?
The sequentiality was also as I understood it:
1 is 2^ = 4
2 is 3^ = 9
3 is 4^ = 16
4 is 5^ = 25
5 is 6^ = 36
6 is 7^ = 49
7 is 8^ = 64
8 is 9^ = 81
9 is 10^ = 100
10 is 11^ = 121
= 505, doubled (they called it the doubling effect did they not?) = 1010

1) Not exactly 1012, but because of the distortions of channeling, they have trouble communicating numbers and figures. The number they intended for us to know may not be the number we hear.
2) They said this number was approximate. In the method that we approximate by rounding off to the nearest ten, they may not round off in similar fashion, perhaps by threes?

As you suggest, another example or explanation would be helpful...
Interesting! Thanks for posting. I guess my post here might need to be recalculated...
Interesting post... it kind of went off track, but many interesting and good thoughts.
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