I don't really want to talk about STS as it's hardly my point here but
(10-21-2013, 12:24 AM)xise Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting analysis; it seems the subject matter you speak of involves the decision to part take in the social memory complex. I haven't studied the matter extensively, but I recall that fifth density both polarities can and do select to be alone as well as in a complex.
What's really interesting is that in a certain way, I think the exact opposite of what you are saying is true when we're talking about positive versus negative social memory complexes:
In service to self social memory complex, the yellow ray bonds of enslavement and power hierarchy are much, much tighter than in a service to self green ray bonding of thoughts, because positives accepts all thoughts barring enslavement, whereas negatives do not accept but seek to control. Thus, the negative elite at the top of the complex largely basically controls the rest of the memory complex in a much more homogeneous fashion. I would argue that the realities observed by Ra of third density harvests (which is close to the formation of a memory complex) shows similar tendencies:
Sort of. In 4th density STS you have pyramidal power placement yes, but the fifth density STS individual
is a pyramid in their own right.
It's hardly a "social memory complex" the concept of equality implied by the term is virtually non existent in negative space.
I'm not really talking about social memory complexes though I'm talking about the fashioning of experience. STO all group together and have laregly the same experiences and lessons, as they are not willing to venture beyond the limits held by the collective. In negative 4th density you get a bit of this but it's simply for the purpose of enabling an individual to the highest of potential before setting them loose. They are "set loose" when they acquire enough knowledge and power to break free of the bonds on their own terms, it's fool proof really. All of the most unique experience offered to creation has been the product of negative workings.
This control aspect is misunderstood. The self is all in the eyes of STS it's merely enabling the self to higher degrees of learning when a supposed "other self" is enslaved. I'll use the body analogy again, the "other self" is seen as an extension of the self, if my hand had a mind of it's own I'd hardly get anything done and my hand would hardly do anything of use on it's own.
Quote:I am not trying to convince you of anything. I'm just making some observations, which may or may not be correct. I will say one thing though. If you feel suffocated by anyone's beliefs, or anyone telling you something to do, you owe it to yourself to free yourself of that suffocation. I get the sense that seems to be what you are experiencing; but that too may be incorrect!
Cheers
Thanks for the sentiment, I don't feel suffocated by the views of people here, but when I came here all I found is disappointment.
I came here looking for "love" and compassion when I was fleeing those who attacked me. Guess what I didn't find.
This has just become another place for people to assert their non existent superiority. Hardly anyone actually did anything except put forward opinions that made them feel spiritually advanced. There was no action, no learning, only "well due to my tremendous experience as an enlightened person who loves everything I would say that you have not reached my level of knowledge". If you had actually any idea what you were talking about I would submit to your knowledge, but this useless banter on topics of significance that doesn't serve self or other self is cancer. Chaotic misdirection, people fooling themselves etc.
I feel as if I've become infected and am now doing the same thing, the thing I grew into was a poster on Bring4th forums, something I now despise.
If you actually have superiority it shows, and there a few members here who I will always respect and bow to as they have actually taken the effort to learn.
STS listen to their masters because they have
done something to become their masters, actually something of worth. When an individual perceives themselves to have done potential of greater worth than the master than the superiority is challenged.
Quote:Also, can I note the irony that you are talking about being freed from collective ideas, yet you are thoroughly attached to the ideas that were "pumped into" you? Jus' sayin'.
A more correct word would be "retrieved" rather than "pumped". They would say something and give me visions and I would come to my own conclusions. The only thing they forced on me was the view was that I was extremely important for some reason, something I don't believe anymore. By 8 years old I knew I was the universe, that everything was one, the one that was I. it's hard to break out of seeing others as phantom representations of yourself, limits to overcome and reap rewards from. I didn't even consider the possibility that other people had souls until two years ago. I fled my destiny hoping to find love in the world, but I have found nothing of use.
Love, the dynamic principle of creation is utilized to far greater degree by the negative side actually enabling learning of creation rather than sitting around thinking we are fantastic for being alive.
I'm not really STS these days but I would argue I understand the philosophy better than a lot of what I see here, and what I saw here on this thread was such useless supposed STO help it makes me (Edited
sad
Quote:Can't you just use green ray to attract yourself in to the higher centers without needing to shut the center down?
Not if you're seeking negativity, which was my point.