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that is just the truth. the whole treatment system we labor under is wrong. and we compound the errors by treating the symptoms instead of getting to the root cause of the problem. just by juicing taking wheat grass leafy green veggies a colorful plate we bring health to the body. eating simple carbs too much protein is not what the body was meant to consume. at least not to me. the system wants to addict us to bad food choices because the system is all about profit not peoples welfare. if u want to have health u have to embark on your own. its out there but it takes some work to acheive. and many will not understand most wont but its not their life its your life. good health is worth fighting for working for living for. just my take
Very true! But the person must also address their emotional state as well. I have found that people who want to stay sick, simply refuse to do the simple things that could heal them. They choose to keep eating at McDonalds and keep drinking sodas, eating sugar, etc. and refuse to do the juicing, the water, the better diet, etc.

The mental and emotional state is also part of the equation. I've seen people stay in pain or even die when they easily could have been healed, if they were mentally and emotionally willing to make changes.
(04-15-2013, 11:42 AM)norral Wrote: [ -> ]that is just the truth. the whole treatment system we labor under is wrong. and we compound the errors by treating the symptoms instead of getting to the root cause of the problem. just by juicing taking wheat grass leafy green veggies a colorful plate we bring health to the body. eating simple carbs too much protein is not what the body was meant to consume. at least not to me. the system wants to addict us to bad food choices because the system is all about profit not peoples welfare. if u want to have health u have to embark on your own. its out there but it takes some work to acheive. and many will not understand most wont but its not their life its your life. good health is worth fighting for working for living for. just my take

so norral, do you think this applies to mental diseases as well?

how about mental or spiritual pain? homesickness?
monica i agree 100 % with u . unless someone wants it they arent going to change. and many are comfortable with the system telling them what to do. they have been programmed and it is not easy to break free.
plenum not sure what u mean. i will say this. eating right also affects are mental state no doubt about that. our diet is a part of a holistic whole. it would seem if your diet is health giving your thoughts would tend to be health giving and your spirit would be uplifted no my friend ? not sure if that is what u are looking for. please expand a little bit for me.

thanks

norral Heart
We are mind/body/spirit complexes. Amazing how many 'spiritual' people ignore the body part.
In my understanding, there are physical/metaphysical and spiritual aspects of disease. Look at what Ra said about wanderers and personality disorders, for example (spiritual involvement in this case), or causes of cancer (energy center blockages ie: anger not dealt with appropriately).

I agree that the medical establishment just follows the economics of the system (how else can it happen since it became the basis for social 'distortions'?).
But at the same time there is the 'antioxidant industry', the vitamin industry, etc, besides the cancer 'industry'.

I was reading this article by James Watson (remember the origins of the concepts of DNA?) and now I am a little weary of taking too many so called antioxidants. I post link for whoever interested:

http://rsob.royalsocietypublishing.org/c...20144.full

Then again, the meaning of disease is very deep.
(04-17-2013, 10:02 PM)almostdone Wrote: [ -> ]But at the same time there is the 'antioxidant industry', the vitamin industry, etc, besides the cancer 'industry'...and now I am a little weary of taking too many so called antioxidants.

Me too. I don't take them anymore. I just get them from my ionized water and fresh fruits and veggies. Antioxidant supplements don't work anyway. Only the ones found in food and medical-grade ionized water work.

Superfoods, like bluegreen algae, chlorella, spirulina, various berry juices, etc. are foods, not supplements, so they work. By 'supplements' I'm referring to stuff made in labs.
Monica, what's your take on vitamin b-12 in the vegan diet?
(04-18-2013, 07:03 PM)MarcRammer Wrote: [ -> ]Monica, what's your take on vitamin b-12 in the vegan diet?

This is a very complex issue, because there's something called a B12 analogue which masquerades as B12 but can actually hinder B12 levels. Many of the plant foods believed to be good sources of B12 actually contain analogues.

There have been many studies done, with confusing results. My conclusion is that B12 can be found in plant foods, depending on the microorganisms in the soil. This is more likely to happen with organic produce, but it's still not reliable. Decades of chemical farming have depleted the soil and most foods are highly denatured as a result.

In other words, our foods just aren't what they were intended to be! Now add GMOs to the mix and the situation is further compounded.

This shows that the B12 deficiency problem isn't an indication that the vegan diet is inadequate; rather, it's an indication that our food supply is seriously messed up!

Fermented foods also can contain B12, depending on the particular bacteria in the cultures used in the fermentation process. Historically, people ate a lot of fermented foods, in virtually every culture around the world. But nowadays, most people eat very little fermented food. Even foods that are thought to be fermented, like sauerkraut and pickles, are now made with vinegar, instead of being actually fermented. One must make a point to seek out truly fermented foods, or ferment them themselves.

Even then, fermented foods like tempeh no longer have B12, because of sanitary processing methods.

In short, back when people ate dirty vegetables and bacteria-laden, fermented foods, and the soils were still rich with microorganisms, they didn't have to worry about B12.

B12 is the only nutrient that's a real challenge for vegans, but actually it's a challenge for meat-eaters too! Many meat-eaters are B12 deficient as well, especially among the elderly.

Because the impact on one's health can be severe if they are B12 deficient, it's prudent to supplement, even if one does eat organic and fermented foods. I'd even go so far as to say I think it's irresponsible not to, especially with children. This is one case in which being a purist doesn't serve the intended objective. Just take a B12 supplement; case closed. Until our planet is restored to its clean, natural state, it's simply what we must do. It is what it is.

Again, this isn't a strike against the vegan diet; it's a strike against what's been done to our planet.

The problem is quite easily addressed by simply taking a squirt of liquid B-12 several times a week or so.
Wow, Monica! I love asking you questions. Smile

I've been taking a supplement once a month or so, but was wondering what the root of the issue could be. I'm really into eating dirty food and rarely wash my organic spinach and kale before I eat it (Unless there are big clods of dirt). I've also thought that regular exposure to bacteria was a great thing for my immune system. Eventually I hope to make my own dirt (permaculture living) and buy some food from places that really take care of the soil-- so important! "You are what you eat..." But really we are what our food eats.
(04-18-2013, 11:55 PM)MarcRammer Wrote: [ -> ]Wow, Monica! I love asking you questions. Smile

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(04-18-2013, 11:55 PM)MarcRammer Wrote: [ -> ]I've been taking a supplement once a month or so, but was wondering what the root of the issue could be. I'm really into eating dirty food and rarely wash my organic spinach and kale before I eat it (Unless there are big clods of dirt).

For me, it really depends on where the produce came from.

(04-18-2013, 11:55 PM)MarcRammer Wrote: [ -> ]I've also thought that regular exposure to bacteria was a great thing for my immune system.

To a point, yes. Too much dependence on antibacterial soaps, taking antibiotics for every little bug, etc. has made bacteria more virulent (such as MRSA) and has weakened people's immune systems.

I'm getting into fermenting and am learning a lot. I had wondered how to keep the food from spoiling and guess what? There are both bad and good bacteria clinging to every piece of fruit or veggie, and when they are fermented, both grow, but if the fermenting is done right, then the good bacteria outnumber the bad bacteria. Fascinating!

(04-18-2013, 11:55 PM)MarcRammer Wrote: [ -> ]Eventually I hope to make my own dirt (permaculture living) and buy some food from places that really take care of the soil-- so important! "You are what you eat..." But really we are what our food eats.

Do you compost?
If you believe you are a collection of chemical processes that define your being, sure, food matters.

If you believe on the other hand that you are the collective culmination of all the thoughts sent towards you from which you derive your dream world nourishment then food doesnt matter in as much as who the food is shared with.

If you have a option of either eating healthy and alone, or eating unhealthy but in good company, the latter is healthier, in my view.

Depends on what density of being you think of yourself as being, Chemical (Food) or Thought/love/attention based (simply being).
@ Monica
I live in an apartment complex (ugh), so we don't have a composter, but use a bin for the city compost. The city gives us discounts on compost in return.
@ not sure
I agree with you about community, but to completely ignore the facts inside of the illusion can be very harmful. On the other hand Jesus says "according to your faith be it unto you," so in that case you're right.
I dont think they should be completely ignored. But I think they should be completely ignored WHEN they are in conflict with the relationships and relations that you want to have.

If your food makes you ignore your friends, its the wrong food to eat.
(04-19-2013, 09:02 AM)Not Sure Wrote: [ -> ]I dont think they should be completely ignored. But I think they should be completely ignored WHEN they are in conflict with the relationships and relations that you want to have.

I consider relationships in a broader sense. There are relationships with other humans, relationship with self and self's body temple, relationship with the planet, and relationships with 2D entities. All of these relationships are important and come into play when we feed our bodies.

(04-19-2013, 09:02 AM)Not Sure Wrote: [ -> ]If your food makes you ignore your friends, its the wrong food to eat.

I can't imagine how one's choice of food could ever cause one to ignore one's friends.
(04-19-2013, 04:53 AM)Not Sure Wrote: [ -> ]If you have a option of either eating healthy and alone, or eating unhealthy but in good company, the latter is healthier, in my view.

I have been choosing to eat healthily for the past 30 years and I can't think of a single instance in which I've ever had to choose between healthy food and good company. Anyone I would consider 'good company' would be respectful of my lifestyle and willing to go to a restaurant that offers vegetarian options. There have been times when my options were limited, but I've always been able to find something, with the only exception being when my son was little and the other families had 'play dates' at McDonald's. In those cases, we simply ate beforehand and went to the event just to play, not to eat.

(04-19-2013, 04:53 AM)Not Sure Wrote: [ -> ]Depends on what density of being you think of yourself as being, Chemical (Food) or Thought/love/attention based (simply being).

We are mind/body/spirit complexes. To deny any one of those is to deny self. Unless one is vibrating at such a frequency that they can be bitten by a poisonous snake and not be bothered, then what they put into the 'body' part of their complex does indeed matter. It might not matter as much for some people as for others, but it does matter, as evidenced by how many 'spiritually aware' people still have health issues, and by how many people with health issues have resolved those issues by addressing mind, emotions, karmic, and physical components.

In my experience, these components all work together, and healing can go in either direction.
(04-19-2013, 12:38 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: [ -> ]I have been choosing to eat healthily for the past 30 years and I can't think of a single instance in which I've ever had to choose between healthy food and good company.

Ok.
Interesting idea. I'm finding that fasting is a great mechanism for healing/repairing these days, less of what I eat.
(04-20-2013, 02:11 AM)rie Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting idea. I'm finding that fasting is a great mechanism for healing/repairing these days, less of what I eat.

I've found that food is highly not required for life on Earth. But I wouldnt recommend trying it if food is what causes disease. You may not like your full undiseased undistorted form.
I see on this forum, posts about healthy brain foods, etc. Unless we're talking about preventing specific neurological illnesses, any sort of healthy foods that keep your entire being healthy may help to boost brain functioning. There are foods and substances that temporarily effect your brain functioning, but it will not change your brain functioning on a permanent basis.

If someone is talking about preventing dementia or alzheimer's then there are foods and healthy lifestyle approaches that have shown to prevent or delay illness symptoms.

Malnutrition may affect your intellectual functioning (and pretty dramatically), and long-term malnutrition will effect intellectual and emotional functioning... so if malnutrition is the basis for mental illness-like symptoms, then proper diet will ameliorate problematic symptoms. But if someone is emotionally impoverished (e.g., lifetime of difficult relationships that leads to mental illnesses), then food may help but will not help symptoms of mental illnesses to 'vanish'.
its like monica says if someone has a big problem with my dietary choices i dont need them as a friend. food is part of the problem just as mental food is a part of the problem. if we spend the day looking at pornography that will have quite a different effect than reading the Law of One or the dhammapada. theres all kinds of food both physical and spiritual that we can take in. someone at work invited me to go to a strip club which i politely declined. not the type of food i want to partake of but if they want to i have no problem with that. its all about choices and food choices do make a difference in the way we feel.

norral Heart
Hi Norral,
Agree with you that with proper diet most diseases vanish and we must watch what we eat for healthy and active lifestyle. Adding fruits and vegetables more in your daily meals to reduce unwanted weight and to reduce the risk of depression, obesity, high blood pressure, cholesterol and certain types of cancer.
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