(08-29-2013, 09:52 PM)zenmaster Wrote: [ -> ] (08-29-2013, 04:27 PM)plenum Wrote: [ -> ]so they are consciously aware of some 4th density understandings. Ummm.
If they had developed 4th density understandings. Since it takes 4th density mind to develop 4th density understandings, those harvested from other planets likely have a longer history with 4D mind/body complexes.
"4th density understandings" could simply mean in this context, the understandings necessary to experience 4th density. So an entity newly harvested from 3rd density could have these understandings.
Quote:And if the veil is partially removed in the 3D/4D transitional, then it stands to reason that there would be more ability to recall past 3D/4D experience. And if that is the case, then it stands to reason that some of that memory would be actual technological understandings (i.e. problem solving for 3D world)
Is there any way for us to pinpoint the mechanic which causes us to forget our past life experiences? Is this the same forgetting as the forgetting of the unified Creator?
I am not sure if it is logical that dual-activated entities would have better access to direct memories from past lives. I agree that some may have better capacity bringing in technological understandings, problem solving, etc., but these types of understandings are not necessary to be harvested to 4th density. Perhaps if there was higher technological advancement and more elevated problem solving skills in their native 3rd density then these things might be more available, but I wouldn't assume any being travelling from somewhere else would automatically bring these capacities. Plus we have no clue how many Earth natives are capable of harvest besides the Elder Race, and these beings wouldn't have any more advanced level of problem solving than what was available at the time of their last incarnation.
My own opinions are basically personal without any substantial information outside of my thread that plenum linked and my own thoughts. However, my opinion on my own nature has developed a bit since then. I have no clue whether I'm a dual-activated entity or not, and I've never sought validation from channeler or psychic, but I still feel strongly this is the case. Lots of things line up and I just have a strong resonance with the idea which seems to be lacking a connection any personal bias picked up in this lifetime, that I have identified so far anyways.
In regards to the greater access to past-life memories, I feel this could be possible in a normally given circumstance. However, having this greater access to literal memories could serve as not only a distraction to the entity itself but also as an infringement on free will of those around it. In my personal experience in trying to recall past life memories, I got a strong message from my own guidance that this information is not available to me because of a preincarnative choice of myself and my higher self. This was independently validated when I asked a channel I trust, who had no clue I received this message on my own, repeated exactly the same thing.
If I am dual-activated, and
if there is a preincarnative mechanic keeping me from access to my past lives, it could be that other dual-activated individuals have this same mechanic in place for some reason. It could be that this thinner veil would make these memories so available that they would be distracting or infringing in some way given the current environment of Earth.
This same type of mechanic could be in place for any type of phenomenon we'd associate with dual-activated entities. For instance, if spoon-bending were an automatic ability of someone with an activated 4th density body, why aren't there more people running around bending spoons everywhere? This phenomenon would certainly have been so noticeable by now that it could be studied and viewed under controlled settings in many, many cases. The idea of spoon bending is prevalent in our culture, every one of my friends and myself tried it in many sort of capacities when we were young, I can't believe that we were the only ones. Where are the spoon benders? Perhaps, given the current social environment, this sort of ability had to be stunted for some reason or another by a mechanism agreed upon preincarnatively.
If there is a system where these dual-activated people can mold the nature of their remembering of 4th density understandings and abilities, then I would think that it would all be molded to what is acceptable and most beneficial of the individual's own life circumstances as well as the greater circumstances of the social atmosphere. I believe the thing that being dual activated offers the most is the ability to work with 4th density energies in the understanding of the self. Like Q'uo says,
"The fourth-density activation, however, enables you, far more than those about you, to be tough. We think that is perhaps the simplest way to put that. The interpenetration of third density with fourth-density energy in the time/space sector of this development is bombarding the Earth with wave after wave of a denser kind of light that brings all entities’ worst fears to the surface and plays them out. It is a separating device, if you will, between wheat and chaff, in biblical terms. There are tares sown among the harvest of good that you have created in your life[time]. These waves of energy call for the truth from you, and, so, many of you are facing parts of yourself you never wanted to see and at which you don’t want to look."
Any ability or experience beyond that, I personally believe, would be unique to the individual and somewhat reliant on what is available to the current social atmosphere and mind of Earth.
Edit: clarification