This question came in my mind when I read the thread about communism. How do you think would a highly STO-oriented society be organized in terms of politics? Will it be communistic, anarchistic, a limited government, a Welfare State or else? Everybody will most likely agree that the current power elites are highly STS-oriented and that a change would be a positive development for the people on this planet. On the other side, the current situation is also positive in the sense that it offers lots of opportunities for personal growth and service to others.
Personally, I think that such a society would be anarchistic (anarchocapitalistic or anarchopacifistic) because a state is always based on violence, power and submission. All exchanges between people would be voluntary, nobody is forced to be the means of the ends of somebody else.
Councils organically coming together to accomplish specific tasks and then promptly disbanding with no compensation and oversight provided by all the people affected by the council's decisions.
They'll use any form of gov't & any form of economic system that best fit the needs of their people. Plus unicorns.
(12-18-2013, 12:06 AM)rie Wrote: [ -> ]They'll use any form of gov't & any form of economic system that best fit the needs of their people. Plus unicorns.
Maybe I didn't formulate the question so well. What really interests me is this: Should a being with a STO-orientation not oppose any government because it violates the law of free will? I formulated it as a question but this is what I thought when I read the thread about communism.
In reality, it is most likely impossible that for instance every American agrees with a decision of the US government or even with the existence of this government. This means that some American people are forced to act differently than without government coercion. And this is a violation of the Law of Free Will, right? But this means that governments/states should be refused seen from an STO-orientation.
I'll give you some passages from the Law of One:
Quote:34.9 Questioner: Thank you. Would you give me the same type of information about the self in relation to the societal self?
Ra: I am Ra. The unmanifested self may find its lessons those which develop any of the energy influx centers of the mind/body/spirit complex. The societal and self interactions most often concentrate upon the second and third energy centers. Thus those most active in attempting to remake or alter the society are those working from feelings of being correct personally or of having answers which will put power in a more correct configuration. This may be seen to be of a full travel from negative to positive in orientation. Either will activate these energy ray centers.
There are some few whose desires to aid society are of a green-ray nature or above. These entities, however, are few due to the understanding, may we say, of fourth ray that universal love freely given is more to be desired than principalities or even the rearrangement of peoples or political structures.
Quote:34.10 Questioner: If an entity were to be strongly biased toward positive societal effects, what would this do to his yellow ray in the aura as opposed to an entity who wanted to create an empire of society and govern it with an iron fist? What would be the difference in the yellow-ray activity of these two entities?
Ra: I am Ra. Let us take two such positively oriented active souls no longer in your physical time/space. The one known as Albert, who went into a strange and, to it, a barbaric society in order that it might heal. This entity was able to mobilize great amounts of energy and what you call money. This entity spent much green-ray energy both as a healer and as a lover of your instrument known as the organ. This entity’s yellow ray was bright and crystallized by the efforts needed to procure the funds to promulgate its efforts. However, the green and blue rays were of a toweringly brilliant nature as well. The higher levels, as you may call them, being activated, the lower, as you may call them, energy points remain, in a balanced being, quite, quite bright.
The other example is the entity, Martin. This entity dealt in a great degree with rather negative orange-ray and yellow-ray vibratory patterns. However, this entity was able to keep open the green-ray energy and due to the severity of its testing, if anything, this entity may be seen to have polarized more towards the positive due to its fidelity to service to others in the face of great catalyst.
Quote:41.14 Questioner: Is this energy center, then, on a very small scale related to the orange energy center in man?
Ra: I am Ra. The true color is precisely the same. However, the consciousness of the second-density beginning is primitive and the use of orange ray limited to the expression of self which may be seen to be movement and survival.
In third density, at this time, those clinging to orange ray have a much more complex system of distortions through which orange ray is manifested. This is somewhat complicated. We shall endeavor to simplify.
The appropriate true color for third density is, as you have ascertained, yellow. However, the influences of the true color, green, acting upon yellow-ray entities have caused many entities to revert to the consideration of self rather than the stepping forward into consideration of other-self or green ray. This may not be seen to be of a negatively polarized nature, as the negatively polarized entity is working very intensively with the deepest manifestations of yellow-ray group energies, especially the manipulations of other-self for service to self. Those reverting to orange ray, and we may add these are many upon your plane at this time, are those who feel the vibrations of true color green and, therefore, respond by rejecting governmental and societal activities as such and seek once more the self.
However, not having developed the yellow ray properly so that it balances the personal vibratory rates of the entity, the entity then is faced with the task of further activation and balancing of the self in relation to the self, thus the orange-ray manifestations at this space/time nexus.
Thus true color orange is that which it is, without difference. However, the manifestations of this or any ray may be seen to be most various depending upon the vibratory levels and balances of the mind/body or mind/body/spirit complexes which are expressing these energies.
Quote:83.10 Questioner: Was there any uniformity or like functions of societies or social organizations prior to the veil?
Ra: I am Ra. The third density is, by its very fiber, a societal one. There are societies wherever there are entities conscious of the self and conscious of other-selves and possessed with intelligence adequate to process information indicating the benefits of communal blending of energies. The structures of society before as after veiling were various. However, the societies before veiling did not depend in any case upon the intentional enslavement of some for the benefit of others, this not being seen to be a possibility when all are seen as one. There was, however, the requisite amount of disharmony to produce various experiments in what you may call governmental or societal structures.
I'm not sure if I understood the chakras all correct but I think this is support for my claim...
No government would be needed as the freewill of others would be inherently respected. Force, imprisonment and forced taxation would not be necessary. Laws and codes would not need to be imposed on individuals.
Governments are only defined by their need to control people and resources. A loving society is without a desire to control others.
(12-18-2013, 02:14 AM)Adonai One Wrote: [ -> ]No government would be needed as the freewill of others would be inherently respected. Force, imprisonment and forced taxation would not be necessary. Laws and codes would not need to be imposed on individuals.
Governments are only defined by their need to control people and resources. A loving society is without a desire to control others.
Amen.
(12-17-2013, 09:56 PM)Poet Wrote: [ -> ]This question came in my mind when I read the thread about communism. How do you think would a highly STO-oriented society be organized in terms of politics? Will it be communistic, anarchistic, a limited government, a Welfare State or else? Everybody will most likely agree that the current power elites are highly STS-oriented and that a change would be a positive development for the people on this planet. On the other side, the current situation is also positive in the sense that it offers lots of opportunities for personal growth and service to others.
Personally, I think that such a society would be anarchistic (anarchocapitalistic or anarchopacifistic) because a state is always based on violence, power and submission. All exchanges between people would be voluntary, nobody is forced to be the means of the ends of somebody else.
This is a challenging question for us to understand as there has never truly been a government which has 4th density values on earth (that I know of). I certainly would not use the term "anarchy" to describe it though.
A 4d gov't would reflect the values of a 4d-minded group of people who create it.
So in a transition in our current situation, such a government could only be created and apply to a small percentage of people - just those who see the vision of a 4d world would be invited in and involved. Most people are hopelessly caught in wanting power and control over others and/or accepting others power and control.
Here, in my opinion, are characteristics of a fourth density government:
- A 4d gov't allows the maximization of free will. However, when that free will actually causes harm (real damages), the damaged party has a fair, understandable, and inexpensive mechanism to receive fair and full compensation for those damages.
- Disputes would be resolved by juries unencumbered by laws - the jury just seeks to find who was right and who was wrong. Juries would decide by their collective conscience.
- All able-bodied people are involved in the government in some way and are not seeking an external savior to run things for them. Good people need to be involved in resolving disputes amongst the people and making sure government stays within its defined role.
- A 4d government has services that *everyone* can agree on. In our current state of technology, likely everyone can agree that we need fireman, police, roads, but the people have true power over those organizations through defined mechanisms, such that they will never be allowed to become tyrannies. And in the event someone disagrees with the creation of a service, they have full ability and authority to opt out. (They just have to realize that if their house burns down, it was their fault......)
The concept of 4d government is one that really makes my imagination go wild, because everything would be different than today. The most important principle is: Freedom is never safe. The seed of Tyranny is the creation of laws to bring about safety.
(12-18-2013, 03:31 AM)rie Wrote: [ -> ]We had this conversation before about projecting 4D ideals. How could we know what positively polarized societies in 4D will look like when we're not there yet, tho?
The Law of Freewill, The Law of Responsibility and The Law of One seem to be accurate, objective foundations by which one could theorize from. Assuming love is the acceptance and compassion towards the will of others, one can easily see what a positive society would be like in principle.
I believe conditions and strict structures to any relationship are not condusive to true loving unity. Such only brings assimilation.
(12-18-2013, 03:45 AM)Adonai One Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2013, 03:31 AM)rie Wrote: [ -> ]We had this conversation before about projecting 4D ideals. How could we know what positively polarized societies in 4D will look like when we're not there yet, tho?
The Law of Freewil, The Law of Responsibility and The Law of One seem to be accurate, objective foundations by which one could theorize from. Assuming love is the acceptance and compassion towards the will of others, one can easily see what a positive society would be like in principle.
What you described above is more like 'green vmeme' on spiral dynamics. Those are still 3D values bc ideas like imprisonment and taxation are what we go thru, and we value freedom etc at green vmeme. We don't know if 4D positive societies have them unless I missed Ra's quote about them.
Why must we rely on doctrine? Why can't we use our own inductive capacities?
Seeing the differences between a 4th-density positive and a 4th-density negative society will be helpful. Their differences are not subtle but polar opposites.
Quote:16.50 Questioner: Thank you. Is it possible for you to give a small description of the conditions [in] fourth density?
Ra: I am Ra. We ask you to consider as we speak that there are no words for positively describing fourth density. We can only explain what is not and approximate what is. Beyond fourth density our ability grows more limited still until we become without words.
That which fourth density is not: it is not of words, unless chosen. It is not of heavy chemical vehicles for body complex activities. It is not of disharmony within self. It is not of disharmony within peoples. It is not within limits of possibility to cause disharmony in any way.
Approximations of positive statements: it is a plane of a type of bipedal vehicle which is much denser and more full of life; it is a plane wherein one is aware of the thoughts of other-selves; it is a plane where one is aware of the vibrations of other-selves; it is a plane of compassion and understanding of the sorrows of third density; it is a plane striving towards wisdom or light; it is a plane wherein individual differences are pronounced although automatically harmonized by group consensus.
Quote:38.14 Questioner: All right, I’ll just ask this one. I have here that— could you give me some idea of what conditions are like on a fourth-density negative or self-service planet? Can you do this?
Ra: I am Ra. The graduation into fourth-density negative is achieved by those beings who have consciously contacted intelligent infinity through the use of red, orange, and yellow rays of energy. Therefore, the planetary conditions of fourth-density negative include the constant alignment and realignment of entities in efforts to form the dominant patterns of combined energy.
The early fourth density is one of the most intensive struggle. When the order of authority has been established and all have fought until convinced that each is in the proper placement for power structure, the social memory complex begins. Always the fourth-density effects of telepathy and the transparency of thought are attempted to be used for the sake of those at the apex of the power structure.
This, as you may see, is often quite damaging to the further polarization of fourth-density negative entities, for the further negative polarization can only come about through group effort. As the fourth-density entities manage to combine, they then polarize through such services to self as those offered by the crusaders of Orion.
You may ask more specific questions in the next session of working. Are there any brief queries before we leave this instrument?
Quote:48.6 Questioner: Thank you. That cleared it up very well. A very important point. Can you tell me how positive and negative polarizations in fourth and fifth density are used to cause work in consciousness?
Ra: I am Ra. There is very little work in consciousness in fourth and in fifth densities compared to the work done in third density. The work that is accomplished in positive fourth is that work whereby the positive social memory complex, having, through slow stages, harmoniously integrated itself, goes forth to aid those of less positive orientation which seek their aid. Thus their service is their work and through this dynamic between the societal self and the other-self which is the object of love, greater and greater intensities of understanding or compassion are attained. This intensity continues until the appropriate intensity of the light may be welcomed. This is fourth-density harvest.
Within fourth-density positive there are minor amounts of catalyst of a spiritual and mental complex distortion. This occurs during the process of harmonizing to the extent of forming the social memory complex. This causes some small catalyst and work to occur, but the great work of fourth density lies in the contact betwixt the societal self and less polarized other-self.
In fourth-density negative much work is accomplished during the fighting for position which precedes the period of the social memory complex. There are opportunities to polarize negatively by control of other-selves. During the social memory complex period of fourth-density negative the situation is the same. The work takes place through the societal reaching out to less polarized other-self in order to aid in negative polarization.
In fifth-density positive and negative the concept of work done through a potential difference is not particularly helpful as fifth-density entities are, again, intensifying rather than potentiating.
In positive, the fifth-density complex uses sixth-density teach/learners to study the more illuminated understandings of unity thus becoming more and more wise. Fifth-density positive social memory complexes often will choose to divide their service to others in two ways: first, the beaming of light to creation; second, the sending of groups to be of aid as instruments of light such as those whom you’re familiar with through channels.
In fifth-density negative, service to self has become extremely intense and the self has shrunk or compacted so that the dialogues with the teach/learners are used exclusively in order to intensify wisdom. There are very, very few fifth-density negative Wanderers for they fear the forgetting. There are very, very few fifth-density Orion members for they do not any longer perceive any virtue in other-selves.
You can use inductive logic when you have much more information on 4D positive societies to analyze. :p . If I were to merely imagine for fun, it would be a socialist system, free socialized cupcakes, mostly working towards the same goals; they drive a unicorn to work bc it's 'eco'. They work tirelessly that they forget to eat and barely need sleep anyway. They have conflicts but that gets sorted out quickly. Their 10pm news cast is full of stories about martyrdom and about fighting for freedom & love. No money bc they exchange energy or services. mostly tho, resources are shared according to needs of society. No waste or excess use of resources.
lol I still think they would choose the best fit gov't & economic system.
I've given this quite some thought over the years and the best answer I come up with is 'mutually agreed distribution'.
Stating what you would like to do and ask help to accomplish this until you have a 'working network' (ha ha ha.) of people making their wishes and ideas and modes of living work.
(12-18-2013, 01:31 AM)Poet Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2013, 12:06 AM)rie Wrote: [ -> ]They'll use any form of gov't & any form of economic system that best fit the needs of their people. Plus unicorns.
Maybe I didn't formulate the question so well. What really interests me is this: Should a being with a STO-orientation not oppose any government because it violates the law of free will? I formulated it as a question but this is what I thought when I read the thread about communism.
In reality, it is most likely impossible that for instance every American agrees with a decision of the US government or even with the existence of this government. This means that some American people are forced to act differently than without government coercion. And this is a violation of the Law of Free Will, right? But this means that governments/states should be refused seen from an STO-orientation.
I'll give you some passages from the Law of One:
Quote:34.9 Questioner: Thank you. Would you give me the same type of information about the self in relation to the societal self?
Ra: I am Ra. The unmanifested self may find its lessons those which develop any of the energy influx centers of the mind/body/spirit complex. The societal and self interactions most often concentrate upon the second and third energy centers. Thus those most active in attempting to remake or alter the society are those working from feelings of being correct personally or of having answers which will put power in a more correct configuration. This may be seen to be of a full travel from negative to positive in orientation. Either will activate these energy ray centers.
There are some few whose desires to aid society are of a green-ray nature or above. These entities, however, are few due to the understanding, may we say, of fourth ray that universal love freely given is more to be desired than principalities or even the rearrangement of peoples or political structures.
Quote:34.10 Questioner: If an entity were to be strongly biased toward positive societal effects, what would this do to his yellow ray in the aura as opposed to an entity who wanted to create an empire of society and govern it with an iron fist? What would be the difference in the yellow-ray activity of these two entities?
Ra: I am Ra. Let us take two such positively oriented active souls no longer in your physical time/space. The one known as Albert, who went into a strange and, to it, a barbaric society in order that it might heal. This entity was able to mobilize great amounts of energy and what you call money. This entity spent much green-ray energy both as a healer and as a lover of your instrument known as the organ. This entity’s yellow ray was bright and crystallized by the efforts needed to procure the funds to promulgate its efforts. However, the green and blue rays were of a toweringly brilliant nature as well. The higher levels, as you may call them, being activated, the lower, as you may call them, energy points remain, in a balanced being, quite, quite bright.
The other example is the entity, Martin. This entity dealt in a great degree with rather negative orange-ray and yellow-ray vibratory patterns. However, this entity was able to keep open the green-ray energy and due to the severity of its testing, if anything, this entity may be seen to have polarized more towards the positive due to its fidelity to service to others in the face of great catalyst.
Quote:41.14 Questioner: Is this energy center, then, on a very small scale related to the orange energy center in man?
Ra: I am Ra. The true color is precisely the same. However, the consciousness of the second-density beginning is primitive and the use of orange ray limited to the expression of self which may be seen to be movement and survival.
In third density, at this time, those clinging to orange ray have a much more complex system of distortions through which orange ray is manifested. This is somewhat complicated. We shall endeavor to simplify.
The appropriate true color for third density is, as you have ascertained, yellow. However, the influences of the true color, green, acting upon yellow-ray entities have caused many entities to revert to the consideration of self rather than the stepping forward into consideration of other-self or green ray. This may not be seen to be of a negatively polarized nature, as the negatively polarized entity is working very intensively with the deepest manifestations of yellow-ray group energies, especially the manipulations of other-self for service to self. Those reverting to orange ray, and we may add these are many upon your plane at this time, are those who feel the vibrations of true color green and, therefore, respond by rejecting governmental and societal activities as such and seek once more the self.
However, not having developed the yellow ray properly so that it balances the personal vibratory rates of the entity, the entity then is faced with the task of further activation and balancing of the self in relation to the self, thus the orange-ray manifestations at this space/time nexus.
Thus true color orange is that which it is, without difference. However, the manifestations of this or any ray may be seen to be most various depending upon the vibratory levels and balances of the mind/body or mind/body/spirit complexes which are expressing these energies.
Quote:83.10 Questioner: Was there any uniformity or like functions of societies or social organizations prior to the veil?
Ra: I am Ra. The third density is, by its very fiber, a societal one. There are societies wherever there are entities conscious of the self and conscious of other-selves and possessed with intelligence adequate to process information indicating the benefits of communal blending of energies. The structures of society before as after veiling were various. However, the societies before veiling did not depend in any case upon the intentional enslavement of some for the benefit of others, this not being seen to be a possibility when all are seen as one. There was, however, the requisite amount of disharmony to produce various experiments in what you may call governmental or societal structures.
I'm not sure if I understood the chakras all correct but I think this is support for my claim...
Awesome quotes in regards to your question. There is one more that I thought of:
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The planetary energies at this time were at what seemed to this entity to be at a critical point, for that which you know as freedom had gained in acceptance as a possibility among many peoples. This entity saw the work done by those beginning the democratic concept of freedom, as you call it, in danger of being abridged or abrogated by the rising belief and use of the principle of the enslavement of entities. This is a negative concept of a fairly serious nature in your density. This entity, therefore, went forward into what it saw as the battle for the light, for healing of a rupture in the concept of freedom.
This entity did not gain or lose karma by these activities due to its detachment from any outcome. Its attitude throughout was one of service to others, more especially to the downtrodden or enslaved."
according to Conversations with God, in a 4d or higher sto society, ideal political system is anarchy. since everyone trust others and nobody is to harm any body.
Yeah..certain forms of anarchy seem to be ideal, such as Libertarian Socialism. It's a highly participative and democratic system, so as to avoid moving towards centralized communism.
Our problems are so numerous and complex, that you begin to see how it's very hard to regulate or intellectualize ourselves out of the slavery that has been created. I believe this is part of what Ra refers to when they say problems can't be fixed politically, as large sweeping decisions plow over the needs of the individual. The only answer seems to be to begin associating with like minds and attempt to create and practice free giving. Work with what you have and are able to create within the confines of the current system to help others. Rather than fight against or attempt to undermine current systems, simply embody what you wish to see. I think it's helpful to participate on the local level when it comes to governmental activities by expressing concern over various decisions possibly being undertaken, but I see no use in fighting things passionately. You're not going to change the minds of individuals through force, nor would I want to.
Yet, change on a large level can't come about without first being a source of inspiration. If others can see that certain ways are possible, they're more likely to participate. You have to create what you'd like to see, so if we would like to see a free-giving society, then we must first put that into practice ourselves
This of course takes socializing, organizing, and working with others..movement through yellow ray. If more and more embody a certain way of living, things will simply fall away and become irrelevant over time.
(12-17-2013, 09:56 PM)Poet Wrote: [ -> ]This question came in my mind when I read the thread about communism. How do you think would a highly STO-oriented society be organized in terms of politics? Will it be communistic, anarchistic, a limited government, a Welfare State or else? Everybody will most likely agree that the current power elites are highly STS-oriented and that a change would be a positive development for the people on this planet. On the other side, the current situation is also positive in the sense that it offers lots of opportunities for personal growth and service to others.
Personally, I think that such a society would be anarchistic (anarchocapitalistic or anarchopacifistic) because a state is always based on violence, power and submission. All exchanges between people would be voluntary, nobody is forced to be the means of the ends of somebody else.
Very good question and there is very interesting answer:
The STS entities as social group complexes are existing now. Perfect example is vertically perfectly organised pyramid of corruption in russia from very low to very top, which is work in simple way that from very "low" bureaucrats which collect corruption money, they provide specific defined part of what collected to level up, if one of them work perfectly in serving with money or his bureaucracy powers to their "chiefs", one gets opportunity to buy a place in pyramid level-up. More levels up, more money and power they have from down part of pyramid. That how whole apparatus works currently. It selves totally itself - pyramid. It is highly parasitic and currently can not exist without society it parasites on. It is same probably in other countries, but currently in russia it is much open visible - they do not even try to hide their action and relations like in other "western" countries.
Very simply, governance is due facto in some form due to reliance on understanding and experience from others and a need to organize that communication. Hence the "council of Saturn". The circumstances of governmental involvement of course evolves as responsibility is taken. We do not have any insight into 4D responsibilities.
The real question should start with: what is/are the purpose(s) for a government? Let's start with looking at what the US government attempts to provide:
* Insurance against invasion (defense)
* Insurance against economic collapse of the whole and the individual (social security, taxation, all financial-related things)
* Investment in the education of the whole
* Investment in the research of the whole
* Protect the resources and environment for the people
* Enforce and regulate responsible practices
* Provide communal goods
* Insurance against disaster
(Note that I may have combined a few functions into as few bullet points as I could)
It would be reasonable to assume that other than Enforce and Regulate, each of those bullet-points would be necessary (and that may or may not be necessary, depending on our interpretation of 4D individuals). Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that 4D will not be an anarchy; however, the role of the government may be reduced (everyone is doing these things without the need of a government), or actually increased (coordination for 4D to do these things as they would naturally do).
Therefore, Rie is correct, and we cannot imagine what 4D would be like, because our definitions of what is socialism, capitalism, communism, etc. all have an emotional charge to them that have distorted their intention. Truthfully, 4D probably goes back and forth between different structures like 3D does, but probably knows better when it's time to move down another road. However, a lot of the reason that we move from one to another is due to corruption, which infiltrates EVERY 3D government that we have. If this is no longer a problem, then likely, ANY form would work.
As far as opinion time goes, it will likely be federal, where goods are owned least at the federal level, and owned most at the smaller level, which would be more communal. For instance, vehicles (which will be necessary) and houses would be *owned* by a small communal groups, and the federal level deals mostly with higher-level things.
(12-18-2013, 07:21 AM)bosphorus Wrote: [ -> ]according to Conversations with God, in a 4d or higher sto society, ideal political system is anarchy. since everyone trust others and nobody is to harm any body.
I'm not a big fan of the word "anarchy" as that word has many meanings. One of those meanings is a society without rules and lawlessness.
There would be rules though. The rules that flow naturally from someone living in a state of love and integrity. Each individual has their own set of rules that don't have to be documented by some politician or bureaucrat somewhere.
In a transition, we will need limited government and reformed money to be used as "training wheels" to get there. People today have no clue how to live in a state of love and integrity. That will be something that will require a lot of practice to get there.
(12-18-2013, 02:51 PM)ScottK Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2013, 07:21 AM)bosphorus Wrote: [ -> ]according to Conversations with God, in a 4d or higher sto society, ideal political system is anarchy. since everyone trust others and nobody is to harm any body.
I'm not a big fan of the word "anarchy" as that word has many meanings. One of those meanings is a society without rules and lawlessness.
There would be rules though. The rules that flow naturally from someone living in a state of love and integrity. Each individual has their own set of rules that don't have to be documented by some politician or bureaucrat somewhere.
In a transition, we will need limited government and reformed money to be used as "training wheels" to get there. People today have no clue how to live in a state of love and integrity. That will be something that will require a lot of practice to get there.
let's say spiritual anarchy
Anarchy in 3D has an anti-authoritarian element to it (that's yellow ray issue). I'm imagining it as - since entities are able to consider/value the well-being of self & other self, there is less need to rules or regulations bc entities are able to act in ways to protect and respect each other. If there were discord in a SMC I'm sure it's easily resolved due to being an SMC.
The descriptions all sound like person's political ideals transposed as 'highly STO'… thereby promoting own ideals. That said, they all sound good to me. Pehraps we will see something like it in more advanced 3D consciousness societies.
(12-18-2013, 03:04 PM)bosphorus Wrote: [ -> ]let's say spiritual anarchy
ok, what does spiritual anarchy mean to you?
Does the nature of societal control, laws and their enforcement lack polarity? Is "positive control of people" a genuine term?
(12-18-2013, 10:21 PM)Adonai One Wrote: [ -> ]Does the nature of societal control, laws and their enforcement lack polarity? Is "positive control of people" a genuine term?
Not sure what you mean by "genuine term". It needs to be understood that polarity tends to increase when available opportunity is used to create experience which informs one of the nature of self in an acceptable manner. The primary constraints placed on that opportunity are largely due to custom and convention, the legacy we have to work with, and how we are developing the societal/planetary mind. This is because the societal mind informs the personal mind (and vice versa).
Controls and laws are derived from the necessities of the established worldview, so they are not really as primary as they may seem but rather institutions which seek to provide balance to the currently accepted way of experiencing things.
(12-18-2013, 11:39 PM)zenmaster Wrote: [ -> ]...as they may seem but rather institutions which seek to provide balance to the currently accepted way of experiencing things.
This "balance" seems to be very subjective.
(12-19-2013, 12:00 AM)Adonai One Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2013, 11:39 PM)zenmaster Wrote: [ -> ]...as they may seem but rather institutions which seek to provide balance to the currently accepted way of experiencing things.
This "balance" seems to be very subjective.
If it was not subjective, there would be no point at all to experience.
(12-18-2013, 01:31 AM)Poet Wrote: [ -> ]In reality, it is most likely impossible that for instance every American agrees with a decision of the US government or even with the existence of this government. This means that some American people are forced to act differently than without government coercion. And this is a violation of the Law of Free Will, right? But this means that governments/states should be refused seen from an STO-orientation.
Actually, my understanding is that the law of free will/confusion is the entire reason these highly restrictive governments are even possible. Everyone in 3rd density has an extremely high degree of free will. Everyone's will can be pitted against each other and nobody's will is inherently overridden by anyone else's. It is the free will choice of those we accept as 'in charge' to restrict our free will. It is the overall free will of the masses to accept authority, otherwise said restrictive governments would be overthrown.
(12-19-2013, 12:56 AM)Parsons Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2013, 01:31 AM)Poet Wrote: [ -> ]In reality, it is most likely impossible that for instance every American agrees with a decision of the US government or even with the existence of this government. This means that some American people are forced to act differently than without government coercion. And this is a violation of the Law of Free Will, right? But this means that governments/states should be refused seen from an STO-orientation.
Actually, my understanding is that the law of free will/confusion is the entire reason these highly restrictive governments are even possible. Everyone in 3rd density has an extremely high degree of free will. Everyone's will can be pitted against each other and nobody's will is inherently overridden by anyone else's. It is the free will choice of those we accept as 'in charge' to restrict our free will. It is the overall free will of the masses to accept authority, otherwise said restrictive governments would be overthrown.
Could all these governments etc be because of our free will as a planetary consciousness as a whole? There are some entities here who are trying to polarize negatively, and most are unpolarized, so we have all kind of constellations which are not harmonious?
But speaking of highly STO-oriented "societies" or constellations, even Confederation has someone "above" them, so they can't do as they please. This "someone above" is the Council which must approve certain actions of Confederation entities would they have a suggestion in what way to aid us. Ra material is filled with such cases. Tbh, I find this weird... That there is such Council which must approve certain actions of Confederation entities, before these can be carried out. That there is no absolute freedom of will to act as Confederation finds fit...
People say capitalism is selfish but ironically capitalism is the only system that works when the majority are selfish! A STO society would be a money free co-operative imo.