(01-12-2014, 06:27 PM)4th-density Wrote: [ -> ]Hmm it seems obvious to me that the view of someone living in a 3rd density mindset are much different than that of someone living in a 4th density mindset.
While that would be true due to veil being lifted, there is nothing in the right-hand side of the chart that can not be experienced in 3D.
(01-12-2014, 06:27 PM)4th-density Wrote: [ -> ]However since several of you are commenting & questioning the same thing, i must take a step back and try determine why there is this confusion. I will ask you both some questions to gain a better understanding.
1. Have you read the entire chart? I feel the side by side comparison easily distinguishes the different train of thought.
Yes, and have seen at least three similar charts like this before on different websites. Some of these charts have been discussed previously on this forum. Here's similar charts:
http://www.insightfulspirit.com/3D_to_4D...nship.html
http://iasos.com/metaphys/3d-4d/
http://www.worldtrans.org/lyssa/112edit.html
Presumably, the chart provided is a modified version of some of the notions in prior charts, this time more in resonance with the particular author's sensibilities and promotional emphasis.
(01-12-2014, 06:27 PM)4th-density Wrote: [ -> ]If your thoughts and actions in life are motivated toward others versus yourself this would be 4th density train of thought that is the difference.
Not really. The "choice" is afforded consciously after a certain degree of polarization in 3D. What you are actually describing is merely the minimum expression of polarization (via an ethical standard) required for graduation to 4D. Polarization is basically where the kundalini is seated on average.
Here in 3D, at this time, collectively we are largely still working with orange and yellow-ray catalyst because that is what needs balancing - hence the "ego"-based framing of 3D conditions. What we think of "ego" is mainly based on a yellow-ray seated experience and perspective. However, to suggest that 3D is
inherently somehow limited to that working does not make much sense. It's only that our particular societal story, at this time, is on the whole asking for that type of catalyst. So such a table is really an attempt to contrast the reaction from current experience of a collective (conveniently labeled "3D") to an intuitively-anticipated, future transcendent condition (conveniently labeled "4D").
(01-12-2014, 06:27 PM)4th-density Wrote: [ -> ]Also this is directly derived from the "Ra" material
Not really seeing that. Let's take a look:
Quote:16.50 Questioner: Thank you. Is it possible for you to give a small description of the conditions [in] fourth density?
Ra: I am Ra. We ask you to consider as we speak that there are no words for positively describing fourth density. We can only explain what is not and approximate what is. Beyond fourth density our ability grows more limited still until we become without words.
That which fourth density is not: it is not of words, unless chosen. It is not of heavy chemical vehicles for body complex activities. It is not of disharmony within self. It is not of disharmony within peoples. It is not within limits of possibility to cause disharmony in any way.
Approximations of positive statements: it is a plane of a type of bipedal vehicle which is much denser and more full of life; it is a plane wherein one is aware of the thoughts of other-selves; it is a plane where one is aware of the vibrations of other-selves; it is a plane of compassion and understanding of the sorrows of third density; it is a plane striving towards wisdom or light; it is a plane wherein individual differences are pronounced although automatically harmonized by group consensus.
Quote:experience in fourth density is emphatically not the same as third-density experience.
If third density is not fourth density, it begs the question from where these distinctions and notions are really derived? The answer, of course, is simply that which, from a third density person's intuitive guesses, would be provided from a somewhat higher vibration than many are currently experiencing.
(01-12-2014, 06:27 PM)4th-density Wrote: [ -> ]Loss of ego and selfishness is the 4th Density.
However, you don't really "lose ego" and our notion of "selfishness" does not make any sense in 4D, even for 4D STS. This is again because 4D is not 3D. The 3D notion of "ego" comes from the limitations of yellow-ray and it's quite popular, due to shadow projection, to emphasize the pathological attributes of yellow-ray when describing this so-called "ego". Meanwhile, if the yellow-ray is balanced sufficiently while in 3D, the higher vibration afforded merely allows further acceptance and then actual honesty which of course is expressed in things like relationships.
We know that Venus had a rather harmonious third density, comparatively speaking. And the levitating, telepathic, technologically savvy tree creatures of Sirius system have developed a social memory complex while in 3D. Such a collective vibratory condition would probably take a few hundred years yet here.
4D thought (and moral structure) is really not something that can be appreciated to any degree via our 3D mind. What happens when 3D contacts something of 4D is a sort of shadow projection where the closest matching symbols from the experiencer's unconscious are charged and then woven together to form something coherent to consciousness. So still quite 3D-entrenched "knowledge".