02-01-2014, 02:55 PM
Ra says several times that the spirit is a shuttle, but they also say that the spirit is, post-veil, complex. What's complex about a shuttle? It sounds like "a simple and unified concept."
Quote:78.19 Questioner: So the original, the first evolution then was planned by the Logos but the first distortion was not extended to the product. At some point this first distortion was extended and the first service-to-self polarity emerged. Is this correct and if so, could you tell me the history of this process and emergence?
Ra: I am Ra. As proem let me state that the Logoi always conceived of themselves as offering free will to the sub-Logoi in their care. The sub-Logoi had freedom to experience and experiment with consciousness, the experiences of the body, and the illumination of the spirit. That having been said, we shall speak to the point of your query.
The first Logos to instill what you now see as free will, in the full sense, in its sub-Logoi came to this creation due to contemplation in depth of the concepts or possibilities of conceptualizations of what we have called the significators. The Logos posited the possibility of the mind, the body, and the spirit as being complex. In order for the significator to be what it is not, it then must be granted the free will of the Creator. This set in motion a quite lengthy, in your terms, series of Logoi improving or distilling this seed thought. The key was the significator becoming a complex.
(02-01-2014, 02:55 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: [ -> ]Ra says several times that the spirit is a shuttle, but they also say that the spirit is, post-veil, complex. What's complex about a shuttle? It sounds like "a simple and unified concept."
Quote:83.19 Questioner: What was the mechanism of the very first veiling process? I don’t know if you can answer that. Would you try to, though, answer that?
Ra: I am Ra. The mechanism of the veiling between the conscious and unconscious portions of the mind was a declaration that the mind was complex. This, in turn, caused the body and the spirit to become complex.
Quote:The physical complex alone is created of many, many energy or electromagnetic fields interacting due to intelligent energy; the mental configurations or distortions of each complex further adding fields of electromagnetic energy and distorting the physical complex patterns of energy; the spiritual aspect serving as a further complexity of fields which is of itself perfect but which can be realized in many distorted and unintegrated ways by the mind and body complexes of energy fields.
(02-01-2014, 09:50 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: [ -> ]In what way(s) does declaring the mind to be complex cause the spirit to become complex? Does just the fact that it can be realized in distorted ways cause the spirit itself to be complex?
(02-01-2014, 09:50 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: [ -> ]In what way(s) does declaring the mind to be complex cause the spirit to become complex? Does just the fact that the spirit can be realized in distorted ways cause it to be complex?
Quote:4.18 The function of the spirit is to integrate the upreaching yearning of the mind/body energy with the downpouring and streaming of infinite intelligence.
(02-01-2014, 11:36 PM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: [ -> ]I can only surmise (and extrapolate) that a similiar 'veiling' was applied to the functions of the spirit, possibly leading to the situation that Spaced described up above.
as for specific examples (which you asked for), maybe 'inspiration' would be one? definitely the functions of the spirit are manifold and quite encompassing.
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Quote:4.18 The function of the spirit is to integrate the upreaching yearning of the mind/body energy with the downpouring and streaming of infinite intelligence.
Quote:The mind is a complex which reflects the inpourings of the spirit and the up-pourings of the body complex. It contains what you know as feelings, emotions, and intellectual thoughts in its more conscious complexities. Moving further down the tree of mind we see the intuition which is of the nature of the mind more in contact or in tune with the total beingness complex. Moving down to the roots of mind we find the progression of consciousness which gradually turns from the personal to the racial memory, to the cosmic influxes, and thus becomes a direct contactor of that shuttle which we call the spirit complex.
Quote:This spirit complex is the channel whereby the inpourings from all of the various universal, planetary, and personal inpourings may be funneled into the roots of consciousness and whereby consciousness may be funneled to the gateway of intelligent infinity through the balanced intelligent energy of body and mind.
Quote:An understanding of the underlying essence of the archetypes is the factor that initiates change within experience not the many interpretation-al forms of display the undertow takes.
(02-02-2014, 12:23 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: [ -> ]What is simply an interpretation of experience put into language? The archetypical mind?
Quote:An understanding of the underlying essence of the archetypes is the factor that initiates change within experience not the many interpretation-al forms of display the undertow takes.
Do you think the understanding of the underlying essence can't be put into words?
(02-02-2014, 12:03 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: [ -> ]I guess what I'm trying to understand is what role the archetypes of the spirit play in the integration of the upreaching mind/body energy with the downpouring infinite intelligence.
(02-01-2014, 02:55 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: [ -> ]Ra says several times that the spirit is a shuttle, but they also say that the spirit is, post-veil, complex. What's complex about a shuttle? It sounds like "a simple and unified concept."
Quote:79.19 Questioner: Could you tell me what you mean by “the significator must become a complex?”
Ra: I am Ra. To be complex is to consist of more than one characteristic element or concept.
Quote:8.18 Questioner: Was Charlie Hickson originally of the same social memory complex as the ones who picked him up?
Ra: I am Ra. This entity of vibratory sound complex did not have a connection with those who used him.
Quote:78.4 Questioner: Could you tell me the condition of the instrument?
Ra: I am Ra. The physical complex is as previously stated. There is some slight loss of vital energy. The basic complex distortions are similar to your previous asking.
(02-03-2014, 01:12 PM)Namaste Wrote: [ -> ]Ra doesn't use the term as a synonym for complicated, but more so for 'structured', 'layered' or 'relationship'.
Quote:Ra says several times that the spirit is a shuttle, but they also say that the spirit is, post-veil, a complex
βαθμιαίος Wrote:I guess what I'm trying to understand is what role the archetypes of the spirit play in the integration of the upreaching mind/body energy with the downpouring infinite intelligence.
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What is the structure of the shuttle that is the spirit? Or, put another way, how do the matrix, potentiator, etc., of the spirit relate to the fact that it is a shuttle?
(02-01-2014, 02:55 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: [ -> ]Ra says several times that the spirit is a shuttle, but they also say that the spirit is, post-veil, complex. What's complex about a shuttle? It sounds like "a simple and unified concept."
Quote:30.2 Questioner: Thank you. Would you define mind, body, and spirit separately?
Ra: I am Ra. These terms are all simplistic descriptive terms which equal a complex of energy focuses; the body, as you call it, being the material of the density which you experience at a given space/time or time/space; this complex of materials being available for distortions of what you would call physical manifestation.
The mind is a complex which reflects the inpourings of the spirit and the up-pourings of the body complex. It contains what you know as feelings, emotions, and intellectual thoughts in its more conscious complexities. Moving further down the tree of mind we see the intuition which is of the nature of the mind more in contact or in tune with the total beingness complex. Moving down to the roots of mind we find the progression of consciousness which gradually turns from the personal to the racial memory, to the cosmic influxes, and thus becomes a direct contactor of that shuttle which we call the spirit complex.
This spirit complex is the channel whereby the inpourings from all of the various universal, planetary, and personal inpourings may be funneled into the roots of consciousness and whereby consciousness may be funneled to the gateway of intelligent infinity through the balanced intelligent energy of body and mind.
You will see by this series of definitive statements that mind, body, and spirit are inextricably intertwined and cannot continue, one without the other. Thus we refer to the mind/body/spirit complex rather than attempting to deal with them separately, for the work, shall we say, that you do during your experiences is done through the interaction of these three components, not through any one.
Quote:89.20 Questioner: You stated that each archetype is a concept complex. Would you please define what you mean by that statement?
Ra: I am Ra. Upon the face of it such a definition is without merit, being circular. A concept complex is a complex of concepts just as a molecule is a complex structure made up of more than one type of energy nexus or atom. Each atom within a molecule is its unique identity and, by some means, can be removed from the molecule. The molecule of water can, by chemical means, be caused to separate into hydrogen and oxygen. Separately they cannot be construed to equal water. When formed in the molecular structure which exemplifies water the two are irrefragably water.
Just in this way each archetype has within it several root atoms of organizational being. Separately the overall structure of the complex cannot be seen. Together the concept complex is irrefragably one thing. However, just as it is most useful in grasping the potentials in your physical systems of the constituting nature of water, so in grasping the nature of an archetype it is useful to have a sense of its component concepts.
(02-03-2014, 01:12 PM)Namaste Wrote: [ -> ](02-01-2014, 02:55 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: [ -> ]Ra says several times that the spirit is a shuttle, but they also say that the spirit is, post-veil, complex. What's complex about a shuttle? It sounds like "a simple and unified concept."
Could the intended usage/meaning of the word complex be different as to what you assume?
Ra doesn't use the term as a synonym for complicated, but more so for 'structured', 'layered' or 'relationship'.
(02-01-2014, 02:55 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: [ -> ]Ra says several times that the spirit is a shuttle, but they also say that the spirit is, post-veil, complex. What's complex about a shuttle? It sounds like "a simple and unified concept."
(02-01-2014, 11:36 PM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:4.18 The function of the spirit is to integrate the upreaching yearning of the mind/body energy with the downpouring and streaming of infinite intelligence.