(04-13-2014, 05:08 PM)zenmaster Wrote: [ -> ] (04-13-2014, 04:45 PM)Tanner Wrote: [ -> ] (04-13-2014, 09:30 AM)zenmaster Wrote: [ -> ] (04-13-2014, 06:55 AM)Tanner Wrote: [ -> ]What is "more conscious seeking"?
There is no progress without application of consciousness. The degree of consciousness applied (through volition) determines the rate of progress. That's the advantage of awareness.
"Those truly helpless are those who have not consciously chosen but who repeat patterns without knowledge of the repetition or the meaning of the pattern."
"Consider the polarity of mind/body/spirit complexes. The inner light is that which is your heart of being. Its strength equals your strength of will to seek the light. The position or balanced position of a group intensifies the amount of this will, the amount of awareness of the inner light necessary to attract the instreaming light upward spiraling from the south magnetic pole of being."
"Each experience will need to be observed, experienced, balanced, accepted, and seated within the individual. As the entity grows in self-acceptance and awareness of catalyst the location of the comfortable seating of these experiences will rise to the new true-color entity"
"The Law of One has as one of its primal distortions the free will distortion, thus each entity is free to accept, reject, or ignore the mind/body/spirit complexes about it and ignore the creation itself. There are many among your social memory complex distortion who, at this time/space, engage daily, as you would put it, in the working upon the Law of One in one of its primal distortions; that is, the ways of love. However, if this same entity, being biased from the depths of its mind/body/spirit complex towards love/light, were then to accept responsibility for each moment of the time/space accumulation of present moments available to it, such an entity can empower its progress in much the same way as we described the empowering of the call of your social complex distortion to the Confederation."
"It requires the conscious awareness of the spiritual nature of reality, if you will, and the corresponding pourings of this reality into the individual mind/body/spirit complex for healing to take place."
"We may say that these jewels, though dearly bought, are beyond price for the seeker and might suggest that just as each awareness is arrived at through a process of analysis, synthesis, and inspiration, so should the seeker approach its mate and evaluate each experience, seeking the jewel."
Okay, so with that established, was your original post suggesting this forum is a support group that enables spiritual bypassing, as you put it?
Absolutely.
(04-13-2014, 04:45 PM)Tanner Wrote: [ -> ]If that is the case, and this is also influenced by the consciousness of seeking which I presume it is suggesting there is a lack of due to the suggestion that there is a high number of individuals on the forum who are using spiritual beliefs as a way to avoid dealing with "painful feelings, unresolved wounds, and developmental needs."?
Yes.
(04-13-2014, 04:45 PM)Tanner Wrote: [ -> ]If I am mistaken, my apologies aha But with that being said, could you identify how exactly you are able to determine what others are or are not "working on" within themselves at any given point in time or are you just connecting certain behaviours, suggestions and personal expressions as expressive of particular underlying characteristics?
Doesn't matter what one may be circumstantially "working on". On balance, the dissatisfaction or interest with one self-provided conditions must be expressed. Sort of a fool-proof system. Thought expresses itself as attention to values which change based on development. As thought is refined, vibration is raised and a new meme is available for thought resonating with that vibration. These valuing memes are completely predictable and recognizable because they must follow and borrow from what has been provided by the societal mind.
So is that to suggest that everyone at the same "vibrational level" will express the same behaviours and approaches towards belief, identity and self-understanding?
What I am trying to grasp is your establishment of values which, I think you are saying, are better to be focused on for the sake of conscious development than others? As in, you see it that there are particular values which are reflective of "higher" vibrational states?
How exactly do you determine what another's individual values are? By a measurement of their words and self expressions?
What I really want to know is how you are apparently so capable of "picking out" instances of spiritual bypassing, yet seem to be completely unconcerned of any 'work' you might have to do yourself. For all of your posts, I have never once seen you admit a fault, at least not without something to pass it off as wisdom.
I do not mean to be rude, but you do a lot of finger-pointing with the 'spiritual bypassing' concept but never at all offer anything of use as to what that even actually means. You seem to express that you have an awareness of others' habits of avoidance, yet never actually show enough interest in anyone's personal nature to offer something which isn't an exclamation of apparent condition.
Are you telling me that you can clearly see the "painful feelings, unresolved wounds, and developmental needs" of everyone here and are thus able to see when and where they are avoiding them? In a world of fully balanced adults, would everyone thus have similar beliefs, ways of dealing with things and approaches to understanding the self?
I don't disagree that are probably are plenty of cases of so-called 'spiritual bypassing' but to make such a sweeping statement is, to all appearances to me, purely arrogant and little more than projection on your part.
I believe you are very wise and have a lot of respect for you but for the life of me, for all the questions I have asked you and for all I have agreed or disagreed with, I have no idea what your intentions are or what your point actually is. If this forum is apparently so naive then what exactly is your own purpose for being here? What is the point behind being part of such apparent indulgence, or do you see yourself as a counter-force to said indulgence?
(I honestly think the whole "spiritual bypassing" concept to be both useful as an idea and completely misguided in its construction and approach, but that is a whole other discussion.)
(04-13-2014, 10:49 PM)zenmaster Wrote: [ -> ] (04-13-2014, 10:22 PM)peregrine Wrote: [ -> ] (04-13-2014, 04:31 PM)zenmaster Wrote: [ -> ]From the very same quote "the great work of fourth density lies in the contact betwixt the societal self and less polarized other-self."
In other words, the social memory complex as a whole represents a certain unrealized potential of the individual, and through the mutual learning interaction of these two, harmony with that potential is reached.
I don't think you're catching the meaning of the quote. Once the societal self has stabilized, it has worked through its own unconscious material and, to gain more spiritual gravity, offers service to less polarized other-selves.
Your paradigm omits the role of service, does it not?
The "role" of service? What is not service?
(04-13-2014, 10:22 PM)peregrine Wrote: [ -> ] (04-13-2014, 05:08 PM)zenmaster Wrote: [ -> ]These valuing memes are completely predictable and recognizable because they must follow and borrow from what has been provided by the societal mind.
Not necessarily. As one excavates more deeply into the roots of mind, one encounters things far beyond one's present society's mind.
Yes, but we're not quite to that point yet obviously.
No one, anywhere, is at that point? You know this for sure, how?