How does celibacy work in relation to the energy centers and the Law of One? Is it an act of suppression or a sense of overcoming desire? or does the red ray energy rise up to orange ray emotional catalyst and beyond?
I don't understand celibacy to be congruent with the Law of One simply because Ra clearly stated that suppression of any desire is deleterious to processing ones catalyst and spirtual evolution.
"I am Ra. This instrument's willingness to communicate the true nature of these things is distorted due to a, shall we say, persistent desire to jack off."
(04-22-2014, 01:46 PM)Jeremy Wrote: [ -> ]I don't understand celibacy to be congruent with the Law of One simply because Ra clearly stated that suppression of any desire is deleterious to processing ones catalyst and spirtual evolution.
Who said celibacy is a suppression of a desire?
(04-22-2014, 02:48 PM)Steppenwolf Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2014, 01:46 PM)Jeremy Wrote: [ -> ]I don't understand celibacy to be congruent with the Law of One simply because Ra clearly stated that suppression of any desire is deleterious to processing ones catalyst and spirtual evolution.
Who said celibacy is a suppression of a desire?
Unless you have some sort of estrogen/testosterone deficiency, I see no reason why you would actually not have a desire to have sex.
Edit: guess I should add that it's my opinion
I think Creator likes sex. But probably also values celibacy equally. They are both experience.
Creator is in a constant state of orgasm anyway.
Personally I couldn't be celebant. I do green-ray solo quite often.
Matt, how would you define celibacy?
(04-22-2014, 03:36 PM)Melissa Wrote: [ -> ]Matt, how would you define celibacy?
Not using the sexual energy. Be it in masturbation or sexual intercourse.
My feelings are that watching pornographic videos doesn't feel like part of the pure spiritual path of balance that i am trying my best to walk. Although i accept and understand the basic needs of the body, i feel that a balance is in order. Its perhaps one of the last of what i would call major lower triad distortions i am currently working on. I feel like i can talk about it now openly and i have accepted that part of my self. Now i want to find balance.
There are tantric exercises that involve bringing the sexual energy upwards into higher chakras. Or I believe it is Tantric. You could also do sexual energy exchanges with another being.
(04-22-2014, 04:18 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: [ -> ]There are tantric exercises that involve bringing the sexual energy upwards into higher chakras. Or I believe it is Tantric. You could also do sexual energy exchanges with another being.
Ultimately that's the type of catalyst i want to work with but at this time i do not have a loving partner so it is difficult to express the sexual energy in a way which is properly in line with compassion. My understanding is that the industry has a lot of suffering in it and by watching these videos i am energetically buying into that suffering and promoting it. I also believe there might be a lose of freewill through an nonphysical vital energy exchange.
Your body is also your partner matt, and it's wonderful to develop a loving relationship with yourself, including your body. To become concious of how the energy moves through the body and the ability to be with yourself that way. Without the 'need' to release it all the time. The use of visualization during masturbation is also a great way to discover more of yourself, see what comes to the surface, how you feel about it and why. I believe you'll find that once you become intimate with yourself, in every way, the rest flows naturally, so to speak.
I found that no matter how great my imagination is when I visualize while masturbating, the higher self always gives me something even sexier. Images in my mind seem to snowball into more intense imagery. That said, because of my meds I can't get an erection without masturbating, and the orgasms aren't that powerful like before the meds.
(04-22-2014, 01:10 PM)Matt1 Wrote: [ -> ]How does celibacy work in relation to the energy centers and the Law of One? Is it an act of suppression or a sense of overcoming desire? or does the red ray energy rise up to orange ray emotional catalyst and beyond?
Energy may be discharged or expressed at a certain energy level. The energy may also be sublimated to higher energy centers. Repressing desire, and sublimating it are two different things. Repressing or overcoming desire, according to Ra, is an "unbalanced action creating difficulties in balancing in the time/space continuum. Overcoming thus creates the further environment for holding onto that which apparently has been overcome."
Sublimating a desire would be akin to transmuting strong red ray sexual urges into orange, yellow, and green and so on for purposes of adepthood.
(04-22-2014, 04:10 PM)Matt1 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2014, 03:36 PM)Melissa Wrote: [ -> ]Matt, how would you define celibacy?
Not using the sexual energy. Be it in masturbation or sexual intercourse.
My understanding is that the goal of celibacy is not to not use sexual energy, but to use it at the level of the heart rather than at the level of the genitals. This way more energy is available to be focused on heart-to-heart communion.
Tantra is another matter. It's a so called left-handed pathway, that is, consciously maneuvering the gyroscopic forces of the lower energies through ritual and prayer to make them available for other purposes.
Western versions of this tend to be less disciplined, but also interesting.
In any of this, one should be very clear internally about ones goals and aspirations.
(04-22-2014, 04:10 PM)Matt1 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2014, 03:36 PM)Melissa Wrote: [ -> ]Matt, how would you define celibacy?
Not using the sexual energy. Be it in masturbation or sexual intercourse.
My feelings are that watching pornographic videos doesn't feel like part of the pure spiritual path of balance that i am trying my best to walk. Although i accept and understand the basic needs of the body, i feel that a balance is in order. Its perhaps one of the last of what i would call major lower triad distortions i am currently working on. I feel like i can talk about it now openly and i have accepted that part of my self. Now i want to find balance.
You can totally use sexual energy outside of masturbation or sexual intercourse.
Ra talks about not overcoming desires. You can't become spiritual by following rules. It may be useful to contemplate what specifically makes you uncomfortable about watching pornographic videos. There are an infinite ways of watching porn in both unbalanced and balanced ways, so I can't really armchair your issue. Remember, a completely balanced being responds to every situation with love - but you can't follow rules to get to that state. It's only through deep self-discovery. But I think you know this already.
Good luck and happy distortion hunting brother!
p.s. I would add that for me, pure/unpure distinction was itself a judgment/condemnation distortion. There is no dirty or unpure. There is no right or wrong. All is acceptable my friend. You are the Creator experiencing itself.
I don't really have an issue watching those videos it can be quite a enjoyable experience
and i understand that rising the energy up to the heart chakra is indeed my goal. I was more looking for information on helping this process. Once the sexual desire arises does one simply remain mindful of it and focus the feelings of love/acceptance, perhaps a visualization of energy moving from the Red ray to green?
It seems i haven't made myself very clear on this matter. I hope that clears things up.
(04-23-2014, 01:10 PM)Matt1 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't really have an issue watching those videos it can be quite a enjoyable experience and i understand that rising the energy up to the heart chakra is indeed my goal. I was more looking for information on helping this process. Once the sexual desire arises does one simply remain mindful of it and focus the feelings of love/acceptance, perhaps a visualization of energy moving from the Red ray to green?
It seems i haven't made myself very clear on this matter. I hope that clears things up.
I think Ra's talk about the red/orange/yellow sexual energy is misleading (or perhaps just wrong - yes I don't resonate with everything Ra states!) - I think the positive entity is naturally going to vibrate at primarily green or higher,
on average, in sexual encounters with others. That being said, I think you can have balanced, positive, primarily red, orange, or yellow sexual energy transfers in both sexual encounters and outside of them.
So unless you are finding a problem with green ray sexual energy at all levels, or rather have a problem being genuinely, unconditionally caring about the women you are attracted to (I think caring + attraction to other women is the start of the green ray, and I'm assuming you felt that way before), I wouldn't worry about it man. The worry/fear itself might be the distortion here.
In short, it's all good man. Keep meeting women you'd seriously consider being with and I'm sure you'll feel that sexual energy surge from red to at least green. Happy fishing.
What if those that we love don't exist and can't give love back? Can we still have green ray attraction towards them?
Perhaps my imagination gives life to them, and thus they exist somewhere in reality. I have no sexual interest in other people for the most part.
My heart chakra already has a lot of pressure at it, so I'm not interested in raising my sexual energy up into my heart to add to it. Unless that can help one obtain better balance of their chakras.
(04-23-2014, 01:10 PM)Matt1 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't really have an issue watching those videos it can be quite a enjoyable experience and i understand that rising the energy up to the heart chakra is indeed my goal. I was more looking for information on helping this process. Once the sexual desire arises does one simply remain mindful of it and focus the feelings of love/acceptance, perhaps a visualization of energy moving from the Red ray to green?
It seems i haven't made myself very clear on this matter. I hope that clears things up.
Visualisation could work, breathwork and the use of hands (placed on heart and above root) might also be helpful. Nice music and simply relaxing into it usually works best for me. Just experiment with it and see what feels most 'natural' to you.
(04-23-2014, 01:10 PM)Matt1 Wrote: [ -> ]It seems i haven't made myself very clear on this matter. I hope that clears things up.
Ah, I think you've put your finger on it.
Ferreting out your unconscious tensions and intentions may be useful. How much do you really, truly desire heart-to-heart communion? The stronger you discover that to be, the more you'll find a way to make it happen.
I think the general Ra model for stimulus response is apropos. The lower centers will soak up the energy to the extent that they need it and what's left over will be offered upwards. It's up to you to discern how you can keep the lower--more selfish--centers from licking up all the juice. This line of thought returns to balance. You may find that more dependably efficacious than manipulative visualizations.