Bring4th

Interesting take on the politically correct narrative and it's origins in the Frankfurt School.

Very interesting! I've never really been exposed to such info so it really blew my mind in a sense. I can't really figure out it's intention though. Was it mainly intended as a right wing justification for the overall liberal atonement of media? But then t goes to say that the only ones opposed to this socialized healthcare are rural white racists which for the most part are right winged thinkers. He says that all the isms were created out of thin air with no agenda but to keep the narrative alive but for what reason exactly? My mind is going in circles at the moment so maybe I need to watch it a couple more times.

The reason you have not been exposed to such info is because it runs contrary to the narrative lol. Stories that are not "politically correct" are usually suppressed. The intention is to inform, this is not speculation this is relaying of events.

Quote:But then t goes to say that the only ones opposed to this socialized healthcare are rural white racists which for the most part are right winged thinkers.

Notice how that is line with the narrative in question, that man speaking is against socialized healthcare and is not a rural white racist. It's become a real problem as it is now affecting fundamental assumptions about society.

Quote:He says that all the isms were created out of thin air with no agenda but to keep the narrative alive but for what reason exactly?

Well the people doing it aren't really that aware of the consequences of their actions, but the people who created Critical Theory that allowed the creation of these "isms" had the goal of bringing about the communist revolution [which to happen needs capitalist culture to be overthrown] by attacking Capitalist culture at it's roots and better yet getting it's own citizens to do it for them. These "isms" as he said don't really achieve much except inspire rage and separatism, often while having no grounding in facts and often cause ppl, especially young ppl to resent the culture they inhabit.

I would suggest giving it another watch, I'm glad you found it interesting.

Looking @ the source of this commentary:

PJTV:

Quote:PJ Media is a media company and operator of an eponymous conservative opinion and commentary website. The organization was formerly known as 'Pajamas Media'.

Like their lefty counterpart, they also perpetuate a culture of separation and paranoia.

Sad to politicize social issues bc it's pretty much intellectual rather than based on experience.

Quote:Like their lefty counterpart, they also perpetuate a culture of separation and paranoia.

It may induce a similar state of apprehension but at least the presentation is built of facts rather than uneducated speculation.

Quote:Sad to politicize social issues bc it's pretty much intellectual rather than based on experience.

I didn't really understand the conservative stance on things until fairly recently, I like many others believed that the only reason someone would endorse such an ideology would be to take money from poor ppl. It is actually a much more "from the ground up" approach built off experience and fact rather than idealism as opposed to the left. As anyone with experience with communism can tell you that communism is an awful idea despite what some college kid spews at a rally. What's interesting is that Marx and Engles never actually worked a day in their lives yet had the tenacity to call themselves spokesmen for the "working man", that's a lack of experience in an incredibly influential critique of society.

The fact of the matter is Rie, I cannot say I'm proud of my culture without being seen as a racist fascist nazi, this politically correct narrative is actually a pretty big issue that I think people should be aware of. I'm not a supporter of right wing ideology (or really any ideology) but this guy and others on that side do have good things to say and do but are too often dismissed as "rich racist white men" due to this ridiculous and fallacious, deep ingrained narrative running through western society.

Big rant, not much information.

Left vs right paradigms are archaic.

If people don't know that their common enemy is the central bank fractional reserve banking system,then no progress will ever be made.

Did you actually watch it or did you watch the first few minutes and fill in the blanks with prejudice?

Left vs. right paradigms may be archaic but they are still real, it's not about that though it's about the origins of political correctness, to dismiss it on that front is weird. Talk about killing the messenger.

(05-26-2014, 07:58 PM)reeay Wrote: [ -> ]perpetuate a culture of separation and paranoia.

They are actors after all. Who pays for their portrayal I wonder?

Fangus, I can give you facts to support any position based on statistical data and personal experience. Facts are easy to spin. US political-niche media outlets merely appeal to emotions and spin information, regardless of political affiliation.

'Rich white men' victimization - yes I've seen it too. It's prominently displayed in right-wing media circuits starting w/ Fox News. Whoever these 'rich white men' are (maybe it's Donald Sterling & not so rich Cliven Bundy?) - they have something to share with others who feel so victimized.

Illustrating the senses; I got physically unwell after watching a few of this man's videos. The second I realized it was linked to him it was gone, and I was well again. He's got some serious issues and I was sloppy, apparently.

Seems like the same tired energized and divisive rhetoric you can catch any time on Fox News.

Feminism and African American studies are a communist plot to overthrow capitalism? There is no racial aspect of the American slave trade because Africans sold other Africans as slaves?

I can speak firsthand of someone who has lived in various parts of the US south...there is a LARGE group of gun-toting people who are incredibly racist and much of their disdain for Obama is racially charged. It's not a fairy tale. I've seen it with my own eyes (and not through the media).

I agree with the idea that the media will never show the true story as they're attempting to portray a narrative, but this guy has his own narrative that is just as distorted. I agree with Rie - I think it's harmful to politicize social issues like this.

Ehhh not really interesting.

(05-26-2014, 11:49 PM)BrownEye Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-26-2014, 07:58 PM)reeay Wrote: [ -> ]perpetuate a culture of separation and paranoia.

They are actors after all. Who pays for their portrayal I wonder?

bozo oligarchs - divide and conquer, distract by sensationalizing everything... if you play w/ emotions you can effectively reduce people's ability to think critically and reasonably. Like get sucked into drama... watching these pundits is kind of like watching Keeping Up w/ the Kardashians - you're essentially dumbing down people so that the real salient, systemic issues are not being addressed.

https://www.princeton.edu/~mgilens/Gilen...3-7-14.pdf

Fangus, read that study and you'll see why anti-capitalist sentiments arise in america (but americans are socialist phobic thanks to McCarthyism). It's making a case to show America is an oligarchy.

I've actually read that study before, interestingly the word "oligarchy" is not present in the entire 43 pages of the document. Is the reality of biased pluralism in America actually surprising? I don't go to Princeton or live in America but I could of told you that...
Basically, my gripe with the situation in the west atm is due to the pathological expression of the green vmeme, which is easily enabled by PC and is very common in those in support of leftist ideology flailing at an egalitarian attitude. I'm not really on the political spectrum but it's the left where you find this self righteous rage against authoritah (blue vmeme regression) and a lot of it is being facilitated by PC and critical theory both of which are products of the Frankfurt school who intentionally wanted to overthrow capitalist society by turning it on itself. his narrative has it's effect on bring about good/evil thinking which really gives fuel to the blue vmeme regression mentioned above.

Rie, go to a university and hang out with a bunch of liberal art students for one day and come back and tell me Americans or young westerners are socialist phobic, I dare you lol, feel my pain. If you aren't a radical in your 20s you have no heart, if you're still one by your 40s you have no head, unfortunately the youth of today are showing no signs of growing up...

Quote:Fangus, I can give you facts to support any position based on statistical data and personal experience

So can I Rie lol. We are entitled to our own opinions not our own facts though. I learned of this course of events in history a long time ago (7 years ago), I can tell you this man does a good job of presenting it and while there is spin present (he's educated in rhetoric and history), it's not really that bad and he really could have heaped it on if he wanted, I know I would of lol. There's only so long you can study economics and history and remain anything other than supportive of the free market.

Quote:Feminism and African American studies are a communist plot to overthrow capitalism?

Those groups are, factually, a product of the Frankfurt school which yes intended to overthrow capitalism, the overthrowing of capitalism was necessary to bring about marxist communism. The only way you can actually destroy an empire if you are unable of doing it by force is to make them or wait for them to destroy themselves. If you look at modern feminism it really isn't surprising it is a by-product of people who wanted to destroy western society (to replace it with a new society).

Quote:There is no racial aspect of the American slave trade because Africans sold other Africans as slaves?

Why make it a 0%/100% absolute value? The man giving the presentation didn't do that so why pretend that's what was presented? There are more reasons to enslave than racial hatred ie. economic incentive is what was related, a fact which is often forgotten by these social justice warriors.

Quote:I can speak firsthand of someone who has lived in various parts of the US south...there is a LARGE group of gun-toting people who are incredibly racist and much of their disdain for Obama is racially charged. It's not a fairy tale. I've seen it with my own eyes (and not through the media).

And I can speak firsthand as someone who does not have a family tree extending back more than 2 generations that communism and socialism are awful ideas. Why is that relevant you ask? Because even though people do not realize the massive left leaning bias in the youth due not only to idealism but this massive narrative that teaches us that we should reject our foundations, which is pre/trans fallacy in terms of apparent progress. And of course, any student of history can tell you that communist ideology doesn't, hasn't and cannot actually work in terms of being beneficial for all people involved.

Of course there are gun toting fools who hate the president for racial reasons, I'd be surprised if that wasn't the case but you cannot deny the pervasive political vision of liberals being caring and the conservatives (those who understand capitalism) as being greedy and foolish. it's always easier to complain and attack personally than understand and conforms to the narrative, coincidence? These Critical Theory intellectuals(?) seem to take a path of least resistance when it comes to thought...

Quote:I agree with the idea that the media will never show the true story as they're attempting to portray a narrative, but this guy has his own narrative that is just as distorted.

Not as distorted, If I was to relate these events I would have done it in almost the same manner (minus the raising of the voice lol) and I have no political agenda really.

(05-26-2014, 08:48 PM)Fang Wrote: [ -> ]Did you actually watch it or did you watch the first few minutes and fill in the blanks with prejudice?

Left vs. right paradigms may be archaic but they are still real, it's not about that though it's about the origins of political correctness, to dismiss it on that front is weird. Talk about killing the messenger.

I watched the whole thing and whatever progressive message there was to be had ended up being buried by the narrow scope by which this person interpreted it. He is doing to the left the exact same thing the left do to the right. It is a dog chasing its tail, orchestrated by the money masters. These petty distractions make no progress in the discussion as to what is wrong with our system and how to fix it.

In short, until people start paying attention to the man behind the curtain, they will continue being slaves to him. Attacking your brothers for the sins of the father is purposeless.

I don't know whether it is correct or not. The rise of feminism and political correctness/ censorship did coincide. But these things only take root if there is a collective that is receptive to them. His first point on MSNBC seemed to be to the point, unless someone wants to put forward a different reason why the black man was re-branded as a white racist. But I'm not enough up with American Politics to know anything about Obamacare.

The thing that strikes me is that it is usually difficult to get people to support an idea if there is no reason for them to do so, no personal reason. So the Frankfurt school, if it did have an influence on feminism, is secondary to a lot of more female driven motives. Feminists might have their own personal reason for becoming a feminist, which would be there still if the 'Frankfurt school' didn't exist. These things provide an outlet for an energy already present and that would find another outlet if it was denied.

(05-27-2014, 07:23 AM)Fang Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:Feminism and African American studies are a communist plot to overthrow capitalism?

Those groups are, factually, a product of the Frankfurt school which yes intended to overthrow capitalism, the overthrowing of capitalism was necessary to bring about marxist communism. The only way you can actually destroy an empire if you are unable of doing it by force is to make them or wait for them to destroy themselves. If you look at modern feminism it really isn't surprising it is a by-product of people who wanted to destroy western society (to replace it with a new society).

Critical theory was a product of Marxist philosophers who saw the inherent flaws in capitalism. The thing about critical theory is that it doesn't just apply to capitalism - you can apply it to any aspect of any type of society. You can use it to find flaws in communist or socialist societies.

And sure, if we view western society as racist, imperialistic, and patriarchal, then critical theory is meant to "destroy western society." Just like any critical examination of any system will reveal flaws.

People who are worried about a critical approach to society encroaching on their traditional values are fighting to hold on to the privileges awarded to them by those traditional values, even when those privileges come at the expense of others. And these systemic issues aren't automatically solved when a bill is passed granting equal rights.

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Quote:There is no racial aspect of the American slave trade because Africans sold other Africans as slaves?

Why make it a 0%/100% absolute value? The man giving the presentation didn't do that so why pretend that's what was presented? There are more reasons to enslave than racial hatred ie. economic incentive is what was related, a fact which is often forgotten by these social justice warriors.

The context in which he shared that fact is telling of his intentions to dismiss the racial implications of slavery that we still deal with in today's society. It's fitting for his narrative.

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Quote:I can speak firsthand of someone who has lived in various parts of the US south...there is a LARGE group of gun-toting people who are incredibly racist and much of their disdain for Obama is racially charged. It's not a fairy tale. I've seen it with my own eyes (and not through the media).

And I can speak firsthand as someone who does not have a family tree extending back more than 2 generations that communism and socialism are awful ideas. Why is that relevant you ask? Because even though people do not realize the massive left leaning bias in the youth due not only to idealism but this massive narrative that teaches us that we should reject our foundations, which is pre/trans fallacy in terms of apparent progress. And of course, any student of history can tell you that communist ideology doesn't, hasn't and cannot actually work in terms of being beneficial for all people involved.

Of course there are gun toting fools who hate the president for racial reasons, I'd be surprised if that wasn't the case but you cannot deny the pervasive political vision of liberals being caring and the conservatives (those who understand capitalism) as being greedy and foolish. it's always easier to complain and attack personally than understand and conforms to the narrative, coincidence? These Critical Theory intellectuals(?) seem to take a path of least resistance when it comes to thought...

There is a pervasive political vision of liberals being caring and conservatives as being greedy and foolish among liberals. There is an equal and opposite view on the other side of the spectrum and this video, like so much of our political rhetoric, is simply reactionary and energizing the separation between the two sides.

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Quote:I agree with the idea that the media will never show the true story as they're attempting to portray a narrative, but this guy has his own narrative that is just as distorted.

Not as distorted, If I was to relate these events I would have done it in almost the same manner (minus the raising of the voice lol) and I have no political agenda really.

A liberal could say the same thing about any MSNBC story that has factual information chosen to support a narrative. There is no perceived personal political agenda when someone feels they are right and the others are wrong. Then they're just sharing the "truth."

Being overly sensitive ('touchy') to politically correctness may be 'mean Green vMeme' type behavior. Mean Green vMeme revert to lower vMemes - Red, Blue, and Orange when they cannot fully embrace Green vMeme (similar to energy rays):
Red (imperialistic/autocratic authoritah)
Blue (organized & dogmatic authoritah)
Orange (personal achievement & individualistic/'egocentric' values)

The perspective presented in the video posted represents a rejection of Green values of plurality and egalitarianism. So if you are rejecting Green the only way to go is to remain in the lower vMeme:
Red (imperialistic/autocratic authoritah)
Blue (organized & dogmatic authoritah)
Orange (personal achievement & individualistic/'egocentric' values)

You can also see people reverting to Purple vMeme.

There's no diff really between hypersensitive and under-sensitive people. They are both using lower vMemes bc they are not ready for Green vMeme.

Fangus, being a young, intelligent, white male from Australia, from middle-class family, educated, and so forth - do you experience a sort-of 'reverse oppression' for who you are? This is reality tho in America. There are those who are very poor, who have had been targeted by social/governmental entities (police, child welfare), who have experienced different treatment and racism, who go out there blaming white people for the problem. They blame people, not the system so the relationship between people become tense. Pity bc it's not so much particular people but it's the system which governs how we behave (but that can be Yellow vMeme so it's natural people don't see it).

Honest feedback to you my beloved brother: you might have been sucked into this political emotional void along with your lefty college age friends who leech

I don't feel oppressed by anyone, that's the thing Rie. This victim mentality is so pervasive it's doing my head in, it's what I would like people to stop very much, the only people I hear complaining are the ones that have it not only better than me but better than the people who actually deserve to be receiving assistance and support. The only thing I am a victim of is this incessant whinging.

My family has been involved with refugees since as long as I can remember, they're the kind of people I grew up with I know that some people truly experience life on the hard side.I am not denying that the system isn't perfect but long ago I accepted the world is not perfect (well it actually is but that's complicated) and I shouldn't expect it to conform to my desires, and that what we have is actually the best option in the world right now so until someone offers a functional alternative people really should just take the opportunity provided and appreciate that.

It's a stretch to think that that video is rejecting egalitarianism though
Another pervasive view "if you don't believe in my particular (uneducated) political solutions, then you don't care about the people I claim I to want to help."

Quote:People who are worried about a critical approach to society encroaching on their traditional values are fighting to hold on to the privileges awarded to them by those traditional values, even when those privileges come at the expense of others.

"Privilege" is a strange word to use, given that it is effort rather than idleness which is rewarded, unless you can leech the fruits of others, I sorta see what you mean though.

Quote:Critical theory was a product of Marxist philosophers who saw the inherent flaws in capitalism. The thing about critical theory is that it doesn't just apply to capitalism - you can apply it to any aspect of any type of society. You can use it to find flaws in communist or socialist societies.

The fundamental fact about the ideas of the political left is that they do not work. It really isn't surprising to find the left concentrated in institutions where ideas do not have to work in order to survive.

Most of the "oppression" stuff I hear is usually nurtured by a lack of knowledge of history and economics and also common sense, creating enemies and whatnot.

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Quote:Honest feedback to you my beloved brother: you might have been sucked into this political emotional void along with your lefty college age friends who leech Wink

And I honestly appreciate it