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I apologize for the brevity of the OP. I'm pretty much copying and pasting this directly from Notepad. I've been considering the Ra material and his mention of the harvest for about a half year now. As most, if not all of you, I was definitely confused by the seeming contradictions and the little information to go on when Ra referred to the harvest. But I finally feel that I've cracked the shell, as it were.

I'm the kind of person that doesn't really rest until I find out the answer to something. I don't believe that in this case I've found out the full answer, but I hope that it is at least a start. Without further adieu, here is my theory based on the material given on the harvest.

I think that what Ra means about the harvest being at approximately 2011 is that beings are no longer being born at that time that are exclusively 3rd density beings. As far as the entities that still remain that were born before that harvestable time, I'm not sure if there is some disaster that would eventually wipe them out. That remains to be seen.

But I believe that Ra means that at around that time only 3rd and 4th dual bodies are being born. I also believe that when Ra says that all are harvested at that time, Ra simply means that the 3 way split commonly iterated takes effect where, as an example, the 3rd density repeaters are due to continue 3rd density on a planet besides Earth. The expression, all are harvested at this time, is stated in session 6.15 for example. Here's the blurb from that session. It's actually under the category, Third Density. Check it out:

Quote:6.15 Questioner: What is the length, in our years, of one of these cycles currently?

Ra: One major cycle is approximately twenty-five thousand [25,000] of your years. There are three cycles of this nature during which those who have progressed may be harvested at the end of three major cycles. That is, approximately between seventy-five and seventy-six thousand [75–76,000] of your years. All are harvested regardless of their progress, for during that time the planet itself has moved through the useful part of that dimension and begins to cease being useful for the lower levels of vibration within that density.

I think that it is possible that this is mentioned as a theory in one of the smaller threads, but I doubt that it has been mentioned in the larger threads. But then again, I admit that I haven't gone through all of the larger threads; just the ones that caught my eye.
I agree. It has been mentioned a few times but I think it's the most accepted stance.

Unfortunately information on this forum can be hidden deep inside threads with possibly completely unrelated topics, etc.
(06-04-2014, 01:07 AM)Lighthead Wrote: [ -> ]I think that what Ra means about the harvest being at approximately 2011 is that beings are no longer being born at that time that are exclusively 3rd density beings.

Thanks for attempting to tackle this perpetual puzzle, Lighthead. It's something that's left me scratching my head on more than one occasion.

So you speculate that the information may be saying that all entities born around 2011 or thereafter are dual-activated?

I imagine that could be true, but, barring dramatic population decrease, that would mean there would need be an exact match between the number of dual-activated entities awaiting incarnation and present birth rates on Earth.

Also, if that were true, I would imagine it would precipitate rather sweeping changes in a short time, as a wholly dual-activated demographic of young people would be less likely to perpetuate the patterns of the past, and more likely to begin vibrating fourth-density consciousness.

For instance, would there be any child soldiers recruited into African war camps? Would there be less fighting at school and less need for disciplinary action? Would, with a mass of entities vibrating at this level, spoon-bending-esque events become much more common? Would, as this group matured past puberty, a great wave of creative output begin to make its mark? Would, then, the STS structures literally age into oblivion as there are no fresh recruits to fill their ranks and sustain the system?

I haven't the foggiest idea how, if at all, things will unfold, but I am cautious about hoping for rapid, system-wide change. A qualifier, though: I write this having watched the most recent Viper-Mountain episode of Game of Thrones, so I'm a bit "glass is half empty" this morning.
(06-04-2014, 10:11 AM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: [ -> ]Also, if that were true, I would imagine it would precipitate rather sweeping changes in a short time, as a wholly dual-activated demographic of young people would be less likely to perpetuate the patterns of the past, and more likely to begin vibrating fourth-density consciousness.

After reading this part of your reply, I think that there might not be a disaster eliminating those who are simply 3rd density. I think that those who are 3rd density may simply remain to normalize the increased spiritual influence from the dual bodies. And then from that point the 3rd density people will simply die off. That's my addendum to my OP.

I would say that after that the dual bodies would increasingly incarnate in bodies that are more 4th density as Ra mentioned at one point.
I don't think everybody after 2011 is dual activity.

My theory/understanding is that it will be a gradual event that more and more dual activated people will incarnate. Those of us who are 3rd density will die normally and simply won't reincarnate back on Earth but on another 3rd density planet, probably after some healing time.

If i remember correctly that a study was done which suggested that when technology advances population decreases as people don't feel the need to have larger families to look after them when they are older/lose of life because of high mortality rate. etc etc

Ra gives the time frame of 100 - 700 years. The rate that things are changing that's a huge amount of time for technology to advance and for dual activated people to incarnate.
(06-04-2014, 01:34 PM)Matt1 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think everybody after 2011 is dual activity.

My theory/understanding is that it will be a gradual event that more and more dual activated people will incarnate. Those of us who are 3rd density will die normally and simply won't reincarnate back on Earth but on another 3rd density planet, probably after some healing time.

If i remember correctly that a study was done which suggested that when technology advances population decreases as people don't feel the need to have larger families to look after them when they are older/lose of life because of high mortality rate. etc etc

Ra gives the time frame of 100 - 700 years. The rate that things are changing that's a huge amount of time for technology to advance and for dual activated people to incarnate.

I appreciate your reply. I'm just trying to reconcile the fact that Ra said that at approx. 2011 there would be a harvest. I almost take it to mean that some portion of the harvest would be complete. I think that there would have to be something significant happening at around that time. Even if the significance of the event were something relatively minor in the grander scheme of things.
My current thoughts on this topic is that 2011 simply indicated the time/space opening to intelligent infinity. That is to say, that indicated the time/space opening to the steps of light.

"the gateway from intelligent energy to intelligent infinity opens regardless of circumstance on the striking of the hour."

"17.29 Questioner: Am I to understand that the harvest will occur in the year 2011, or will it be spread?

Ra: I am Ra. This is an approximation. We have stated we have difficulty with your time/space. This is an appropriate probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest. Those who are *not* in incarnation at this time will be included in the harvest."

Note that Ra doesn't say that those who *are* in incarnation would be included in the harvest. To me, this indicates that harvest occurs upon bodily death. In other words, it is a time/space event.

"Those who, finishing a cycle of experience, demonstrate various grades of distortion of that understanding of thought and action will be separated by their own choice into the vibratory distortion most comfortable to their mind/body/spirit complexes."

It is my opinion that when Ra said, "finishing a cycle of experience", they were referring to a 25,000 cycle. Though, they could have just been referring to a single incarnation life cycle.

Also, consider that every time/space is an analog of space/time. Consider the third density cycles of 25,000 years to be the length of the class time. At the end of the class, you are tested (by walking the steps of light of intelligent infinity), and if you pass the test, you go on to the next class, fourth density.

So in my opinion, 2011 just marked the end of the third 25,000 year cycle for third density upon our planet. So the next 1000 years marks the time of transition from third to fourth density (Ra estimated the transition being between 100 and 700 years to be most probable). This is the juncture whereby those who die after this point, or who are already discarnate on the third density inner planes, will then have the opportunity to walk the steps of light again.

If they still don't make the grade, they will repeat third density but on another third density planet since this one is at the end of its 75,000 year long master cycle, and thus, will cease to be useful for the lower levels of vibration within this density (3rd). The reason being, because, once a planet goes fourth density, the third density layer of vibration becomes tuned by the fourth density layer, and becomes too harmonious for any real third density polarity work to be done. The lighter and more subtle energies control the grosser material. Also, it takes some time for fourth density beings to learn how to maintain the illusion of invisibility to the third density plane, apparently.
Yours is a very interesting reply. It seems that you agree with me and that you are in essence saying that those who die at that time are tested to see where they go. In other words, that third density beings will be gradually siphoned off of this planet. Thanks, and I can tell that you've done a lot of thinking about it.
What about wanderers though? I would think that there is still quite the line of wanderers willing and ready to not only assist with the harvest but any last minute work upon their own imbalances.

Siren

It would only be natural that as a planetary sphere becomes electromagnetized into a higher vibratory spectrum (a process that takes an extremely short yet variable amount of "time") there would be a period of adaptation or adjustment at a genetic/cellular (and molecular/chemical) level. Hence, the "transitional" body (one foot on 3D, one foot on 4D, so to speak).

As the 4th-density or green-ray vibratory spectrum sets in, 3D/4D "dual-activated" bodies will progressively become less and less "dual" and more and more 4th-density proper (especially through the recycling or reincarnative process of death/rebirth—the "old model" gradually falling away in favor of the "new" 4th-density one).

It is also my understanding/distortion that there is always a "dual-activated" or "transitional" body whenever a new evolutionary cycle is begun, rather than this being just a 3D-4D anomaly/phenomenon.

Let us take the 2nd- to 3rd-density transition for example. Despite the fact that there was an "alien intervention" on this sphere that "interrupted" the natural evolution from the late-2D primate archetype to the 3D "human being," there's still a "missing link" that went extinct, so to speak (even if this is no other than some of the Australopithecus/Cro-Magnon/Neanderthal motifs). I would tentatively suggest this was the transitional or dual-activated 2D/3D body.

Once 3rd-density or the yellow-ray vibratory spectrum was fully established in this sphere, the aforementioned dual-activated 2D/3D body grew into disuse and the proper 3D vehicular form complex became the norm. (We could even get into how this transition occurred back when the planet went from 1st to 2nd density, but that's somewhat of a tangential topic and besides the point.)

The point is that this same process will occur as this sphere becomes 4th-density electromagnetized.

One way or another, the world will be greatly depopulated (from 3rd-density entities) over the next few years due to:
  • 3D grade-repeaters (at least 50% of the current 3D population) transferred to other 3D spheres to repeat the cycle
  • negative graduates leaving to more appropriate 4D spheres to continue their evolution
  • most "alien" 4D, 5D and 6D "wanderers" returning to their "home vibrations"
  • the added possibility of certain actions by 3D negatively-oriented entities committed against the rest of the 3D population

That'll leave a relatively small 4th-density (positive) societal complex on this sphere.

PS: Oh, how dare I forget! An honorable mention to our "Grey" friends for helping with the creation of dual-activated bodies of a fairly advanced order (they would call it hybridization) Tongue

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It should also be mentioned that were it not for the "veil of forgetting" in 3rd density, entities would not need to be transplanted to other spheres at the end of the cycle. The positive/negative dichotomy in terms of service/seeking the Creator would not have occurred and those who did not graduate to 4th-density awareness would simply repeat the 3rd-density cycle on the same sphere (much as how 1st- and 2nd-density lifeforms aren't relocated to other planets due to "failure" to graduate—they simply repeat/continue their respective cycles within the same sphere).

The only reason why 3D grade-repeaters are transferred elsewhere is for the purposes of preserving the "veil" experiment in effect (which is the great novelty of 3rd density and this entire Creation). Once 4D entities on this planet learn the means of "cloaking" their presence from 3rd-density entities, the yellow-ray cycle will be resumed on this sphere for 3D entities to reincarnate once again alongside ("invisible") 4D entities.

Certainly interesting times ahead Smile
(06-04-2014, 06:49 PM)Siren Wrote: [ -> ]As the 4th-density or green-ray vibratory spectrum sets in, 3D/4D "dual-activated" bodies will progressively become less and less "dual" and more and more 4th-density proper (especially through the recycling or reincarnative process of death/rebirth—the "old model" gradually falling away in favor of the "new" 4th-density one).

Ever since reading the Ra material, I've found the above aspect fascinating.

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It should also be mentioned that were it not for the "veil of forgetting" in 3rd density, entities would not need to be transplanted to other spheres

The only reason why 3D grade-repeaters are transferred elsewhere is for the purposes of preserving the "veil" experiment in effect (which is the great novelty of 3rd density and this entire Creation). Once 4D entities on this planet learn the means of "cloaking" their presence from 3rd-density entities, the yellow-ray cycle will be resumed on this sphere for 3D entities to reincarnate once again alongside ("invisible") 4D entities.

Your above comment is something that I haven't thought of. Very lucid and interesting reply. Thanks!

I just think that my head is swimming with all of this information that apparently I wasn't the first one to think of. I was at Wal-Mart today and couldn't help but wonder when I would see a young toddler or baby if they were 3rd and 4th dual activated. We truly do live in some interesting times!
(06-04-2014, 01:07 AM)Lighthead Wrote: [ -> ]I think that what Ra means about the harvest being at approximately 2011 is that beings are no longer being born at that time that are exclusively 3rd density beings. As far as the entities that still remain that were born before that harvestable time, I'm not sure if there is some disaster that would eventually wipe them out. That remains to be seen.

But I believe that Ra means that at around that time only 3rd and 4th dual bodies are being born.

I believe that you are right. Once the clock strikes the hour, there will indeed be Harvest, and all third density entities will be harvested. First those who are not in incarnation. And then those who are in the incarnation, after they have passed into the larger life so to speak.

This must mean then that after the Harvest (*approximately* around 2011-ish, which is Venusian for "right on time"), there should be only those 3/4 dual activated entities who can be incarnated, which is what Ra referred to as the beginning of the transitional period.

Then when all third density entities who haven't made their choice are dead, there will be birth of fully activated 4 density bodies through bisexual reproduction, which will end this transitional period.

(Let me know if you want me to find quotes of this for further discussion.)

And here is the most interesting question, *if* everyone after this Harvest are only 3/4 dual activated:

(06-04-2014, 10:11 AM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: [ -> ]So you speculate that the information may be saying that all entities born around 2011 or thereafter are dual-activated?

I imagine that could be true, but, barring dramatic population decrease, that would mean there would need be an exact match between the number of dual-activated entities awaiting incarnation and present birth rates on Earth.

Also, if that were true, I would imagine it would precipitate rather sweeping changes in a short time, as a wholly dual-activated demographic of young people would be less likely to perpetuate the patterns of the past, and more likely to begin vibrating fourth-density consciousness.

For instance, would there be any child soldiers recruited into African war camps? Would there be less fighting at school and less need for disciplinary action? Would, with a mass of entities vibrating at this level, spoon-bending-esque events become much more common? Would, as this group matured past puberty, a great wave of creative output begin to make its mark? Would, then, the STS structures literally age into oblivion as there are no fresh recruits to fill their ranks and sustain the system?

I had these thoughts too, until I read the book by Dannion Brinkley called "Saved by the light". I believe that he is one of these dual activated entities. What happened to him is that he was working in war/military industry, but then was struck by the lightning, brought into the inner planes and taught how to build "healing centers", then brought back to life in order to begin this work. This is the short story of it. After reading this book, I believe that he is one of those dual activated entities who are here to do this 4D work which Ra mentioned. This work is considered to be a bit "crazy" of course by most third density people. This is so because the free will of third density needs to be preserved. So this progress has to be very slow as long as there are third density people here who have not yet made their choice.

But in order to answer your question, it is completely possible for 3/4 dual activated entities to live and work as any third density entity, unpolarized or maybe even a little bit in negative ways, but then maybe there will be a turning point, at which this entity will be taken in one way or another into inner planes, and then brought back in order to start their work.

Either way, this work needs to be done very slow as long as there are incarnated entities here who need to make their choice. So maybe most of these entities are just living simple lives where they are beaming their love without anyone ever even noticing them? But that's just my theory.
harvest occurs after death

the point at which harvesting began is earlier than 2012 e.g. 1987

the shift into 4th density occurred around 2012

the shift and the harvest are two separate events or concepts though they are related to one another

the reason why the shift date of 2012 is confused with the harvest is because entry into 4th density was to be accompanied with a catastrophic pole-shift due to the build up of negative or disharmonious energies. This would have killed all 3d life resulting in mass involuntary harvest. As it stands, the dramatic pole shift has been averted due to lightening of the planetary vibration in the lead up to the shift in 2012. Rather than one massive catastrophes there instead has been a series of smaller, more manageable catastrophes and life goes. people are free to live out their lives and are harvested on their deaths. everyone born herein is dual-activated even if they dont behave like it. in a hundred years or so there will be no sole 3d entities on the planet and the population will shrink in a natural manner. i imagine around this time the veil will drop away and 4d proper will begin.

Quote:http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2008/2008_0927.aspx

G: Yes, Q’uo, thank you. This next query comes from T3. T3 asks, “Is it likely that this timeframe of December 21, 2012, give or take, will be delayed by an increase in positive polarity? And if delayed, is the length of delay likely to be negligible?”

We are those of Q’uo, and are aware of your query. There are two layers to that query and we would answer both of them. Firstly, in terms of the planetary situation, there is no variance possible in the turning of the age. It is a mathematical, geometrical design that works like a clock. When the age is done, another age moves in and this is what is occurring with Planet Earth at this time. This will indeed occur, as you say, in 2011, 2012, in that vicinity. We would be delighted to be completely accurate but although the mathematics of Planet Earth turn to a specific date of December 21, 2012, there are metaphysical corrections to be made to the Earthly mathematics which indicate that the clock will turn somewhat before that, somewhere in the summer preceding the winter solstice of 2012.

Be that as it may, this is only one layer of our answer. What impacts the questioner, and all of those upon Planet Earth, far more is the harvest that is occurring concomitantly with this turning of the age. The harvest has already begun. It began in your year 1987 in that period called “Harmonic Convergence.” [4] Entities began being harvested when they died from the physical at that time. All were offered the steps of light. Many of those you now call “Indigo Children” are those who have graduated from Planet Earth in the positive sense, have now gone on to acquaint themselves with their new fourth-density homes and have asked for permission to return to third density as wanderers.
The concern here is duple. Firstly, the wanderers wish to lighten the consciousness of the planet that there may be the largest possible harvest upon Planet Earth at this time. They are aware, once they have entered fourth density and have been able to look at the situation from a larger point of view, that one person can make a difference by the way he thinks and by the way he lives. So they have given up their newly won fourth-density living to come back to what this instrument would call “spiritual boot camp” in order to get into the thick of the fray and, in the heart of disharmony, create harmony; in the heart of fear, create love; in the heart of judgment, create compassion.
There is another powerful motive for such entities to return to third-density Planet Earth, and that is the love and concern that they feel for Gaia, Planet Earth herself. There is much restitution that can be made: trees planted, wastes cleansed, habits changed, so that the earth begins to thrive and people begin to live with the earth instead of on the earth. These motives are powerful in bringing many new wanderers to Planet Earth.
As wanderers have come in to Planet Earth for incarnation, and as the population of the planet from whatever source has slowly begun to hunger and thirst for the new paradigm of love and understanding, the Earth has been able to take hold and to respond to this lightening that is ongoing. It is easy to look at the many extreme weather problems that your globe has been experiencing and cry doom, but we would suggest to you that these frequent catastrophes are a very good sign. They are the sign that Planet Earth has regained enough strength to do the balancing that she must do in order to absorb and eliminate this aggressive and hostile energy that has been pumped into her for so long, in stages, rather than all at once.
You will notice that the magnetic change that needed to be made has not been made by a pole shift, but rather has been made by small increments and even now, magnetic north, as this instrument would call it, is almost precisely at the place it needs to be in order to welcome fourth density.
Thusly, we may say that indeed, in terms of the harvesting being prolonged past 2012, this was always a possibility if a pole shift did not have to occur, and it is now a near certainty, since the lightening of the planet has continued to take place, mostly unnoticeably and beneath the radar of politics and the larger consciousness of the society as a whole.

However, when one pulls the attention away from the news, which focuses upon those in power and those who have caused destruction and points it at the home front, at friends and neighbors and the local situation, we would suggest that you can find good things happening everywhere, people caring for and loving each other and reaching out to each other in kindness and compassion.
This means that each who is hearing these words or who may read them shall undoubtedly be able to live their incarnation through and be, at the end of it, invited to walk those steps of light that the harvest times offer to souls who seek the one infinite Creator.
May we answer you further my brother? We are those of Q’uo.

Quote:http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2000/2000_0116.aspx

The suggestion has been made many times that the planetary sphere itself would, through the necessity of altering its magnetic polarity to some extent, shake off all life as a dog would shake off fleas. And indeed, one reason that wanderers first came to this particular planetary sphere was to transmute the infinite love and light of the one Creator through their physical and metaphysical instrument and out into the Earth plane, creating a net of light that would alleviate and ameliorate the tectonic distress which the Earth is now experiencing. It is our opinion that this plan, though working imperfectly, has reached a critical mass sufficient to enable your planet to suffer many smaller catastrophes that allow the majority of those upon your planet to continue to enjoy the illusion.

Quote:http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2007/2007_0902.aspx

It is very difficult for entities to imagine how such a large population, all across your globe, could just shrink and disappear. And yet we say to you that entities moving into incarnation here will more and more be those which are dual-activated until finally, within say one of your centuries by most probability/possibility vortices, you will have no pure third-density entities living upon your planet.

Those with dual-activated bodies are far more able to see whether or not there is the necessity for further incarnations upon this planet. They will begin naturally to refrain from producing children. And so, by a fairly rapid progression after that point, the third-density population of the planet will indeed shrink in a natural and organic way, because there is the awareness that the dusk has come, the evening is at hand, and the work is done.
Wow, thanks for your reply! I didn't even know that information was available on L/L Research. That encourages me to start looking around more. Thanks, again.

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This reply is to Spero.