(06-12-2011, 10:04 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: However, I don't consider it as undistorted as the Ra sessions. I appreciate the Q'uo channelings, but I use more discernment when reading them. I am past the discernment phase with the Ra works and trust it completely.

Quote:3.9 Questioner: I am reminded of the statement—approximately—that if you had faith to move a mountain, the mountain would move. This seems to be approximately what you were saying. That if you are fully aware of the Law of One, you would be able to do these things. Is that correct?
Ra: I am Ra. The vibratory distortion of sound, faith, is perhaps one of the stumbling blocks between those of what we may call the infinite path and those of the finite proving/understanding.

You are precisely correct in your understanding of the congruency of faith and intelligent infinity; however, one is a spiritual term, the other more acceptable perhaps to the conceptual framework distortions of those who seek with measure and pen.

(06-13-2011, 12:06 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: How did you discern the transient information which we only know from Ra? What within the Ra material gave you faith in the work in its entirety?

(06-12-2011, 07:43 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote:

(06-12-2011, 06:10 AM)unity100 Wrote: you can pick anything you can verify in your personal life. this may be the chakra system, this may be philosophy, this may be historical concepts about the lives of people examined.

a totally coherent, complete furball of information system touching the current reality we inhabit from any tangent will validate itself.

Isn't this also true of Q'uo? And a lot of other consciously channeled material? This in regards to the chakra system, philosophy, and so-forth. You say that these rather subjective things "validate the whole of information." Why do they validate the transient information, and only the transient information of the Ra material and not other material?

Quote:What I am contending is the information which is apparently transient of spirituality; the ETs, the pyramids, the history, science, harvest, pole shift, etc. Why do we trust that Ra is correct about the Atlanteans only because their philosophical teachings seem to ring true to us? (just an example)

Quote:I'll try to bring it back around...you contended that Q'uo was distorted and thus you couldn't believe for sure their statement that the pole shift was averted. With regards to everything I just said, why would Ra's prediction of a pole shift hold any more sway than Q'uo's assertion that pole shift was averted?

Quote:Right, when I first started this side-discussion I tried to somewhat establish this. I find this particular discussion about the mechanics of harvest rather transient to philosophy/spirituality:

(06-13-2011, 06:42 AM)unity100 Wrote: if the gateway to infinite intelligence opens at the striking of the hour for a brief time, this has implications for spirituality.

it is, opening of the gateway to infinite intelligence. its no little matter.

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in addition, the more i think the more i get that harvest is not something that can happen for extended durations of time :

in a normal 3d cycle, cycle is full 75,000 years.

in a normal 3d environment, ideal lifespan of a 3d body is 900 years.

if, the harvest was something that waited, waited and happened after harvest, it would have to last for some 400-500 years after it starts at the end of cycle, for any entity that is born at the end of harvest to be able to get harvested.

this would make harvest duration something quite noticeable compared to 75,000 years.

(06-13-2011, 08:13 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: I was thinking about the metaphor of harvest and realized that we use it to refer to two different types of actions. In a garden, when we harvest tomatoes we gather them over a period of time as they gradually ripen. However, when farmers harvest a field of grain, they take the whole field at the same time.

(06-13-2011, 06:42 AM)unity100 Wrote: hatonn and latwii of the quo 'collective' is of 4th and 5th densities. 4,5 positive densities have abundance of hope, and positivity. it is natural that they hope for the best, wish for the best, believe the best.

ra is of late 6d. they are much more detached than the time continuum of these parts, and much more closer to infinite intelligence. also, they are balanced in attitude. they also have a much better position to observe probabilities.

Quote:this may be a proof of validity, but it also may be a proof of the coloration of contact by the channel, since quo is channeled not only by Carla, but many that participate in channelings.

Quote:Right, when I first started this side-discussion I tried to somewhat establish this. I find this particular discussion about the mechanics of harvest rather transient to philosophy/spirituality:

Quote:questionable.

if the gateway to infinite intelligence opens at the striking of the hour for a brief time, this has implications for spirituality.

it is, opening of the gateway to infinite intelligence. its no little matter.

Quote:in addition, the more i think the more i get that harvest is not something that can happen for extended durations of time :

in a normal 3d cycle, cycle is full 75,000 years.

in a normal 3d environment, ideal lifespan of a 3d body is 900 years.

if, the harvest was something that waited, waited and happened after harvest, it would have to last for some 400-500 years after it starts at the end of cycle, for any entity that is born at the end of harvest to be able to get harvested.

this would make harvest duration something quite noticeable compared to 75,000 years.

(06-13-2011, 06:42 AM)unity100 Wrote: quo is channeled not only by Carla, but many that participate in channelings.

(06-13-2011, 12:47 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:

(06-13-2011, 12:06 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: How did you discern the transient information which we only know from Ra? What within the Ra material gave you faith in the work in its entirety?

Even when providing transient info, Ra seems to have maintained the purity of the contact, to the point of notifying Don that the info was transient, with the exception of the session in which there was no "I am Ra" at the beginning. So that session is questionable.

The reason I trust the Ra material in its entirety is because I have never detected any 'coloring' from the channel, as with conscious channeling.

For example, I consider the Edgar Cayce readings to have great value. But much of Cayce's own biases and personality shone thru the readings. They were 'colored' by whatever color his own lens was, that the material was filtered thru.

I know and trust Carla to be as careful as she can be, to avoid such coloring during her own channeling. Thus, I trust the Q'uo channelings much more than any other. But they are still not on the same level as the Ra material, in my opinion. They still have a slight 'Carla' flavor; for example, using Christian allegories since she is a Christian, etc.

It's the same with virtually all channeled works. They tend to have a certain flavor or color, which comes from the channel. The only exception I have found is the Ra material. It is free of any coloration; ie. distortion. The Ra material has no flavor. It's colorless.

(06-13-2011, 10:22 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: I have seen you talk a lot about the opening of the gateway to infinite intelligence as harvest, and I assume it is from a Ra passage. What are you referring to?

Quote:I understand something like that would be of no little matter, but it is a prophecy and has little philosophical or spiritual value which we can apply to our lives, it is something we can wait to happen and possibly prepare for, like any other prophecy.

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Quote:in addition, the more i think the more i get that harvest is not something that can happen for extended durations of time :

in a normal 3d cycle, cycle is full 75,000 years.

in a normal 3d environment, ideal lifespan of a 3d body is 900 years.

if, the harvest was something that waited, waited and happened after harvest, it would have to last for some 400-500 years after it starts at the end of cycle, for any entity that is born at the end of harvest to be able to get harvested.

this would make harvest duration something quite noticeable compared to 75,000 years.

A gradual transition to 4th density doesn't require a gradual harvest, Since dual-activated bodies are 4th density beings, harvest could be rather instant. Harvest could be done in a generation.

Quote:Unity, are you now saying that you believe harvest could indicate some world-wide catastrophe? Since death is required for harvest, and if it were an instant thing, what would be the mechanic? What about the dual-activated individuals, would they die too?

(06-13-2011, 12:01 PM)unity100 Wrote:

(06-13-2011, 10:22 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: I have seen you talk a lot about the opening of the gateway to infinite intelligence as harvest, and I assume it is from a Ra passage. What are you referring to?

'opening the gateway to intelligent infinity' and therefore 'harvesting itself' is a recurring theme that repeats during talk of any negative entities harvested.

in a few other parts, 'opening the gateway to intelligent infinity is the ticket to next octave of experience' is told.

in regard to harvest, 'gateway to intelligent infinity from infinite energy opens regardless of the circumstance upon striking of the hour' is told.

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Quote:I understand something like that would be of no little matter, but it is a prophecy and has little philosophical or spiritual value which we can apply to our lives, it is something we can wait to happen and possibly prepare for, like any other prophecy.

it seems like it is the mechanic for harvest.

Quote:it doesnt have any relevance to production of 4d bodies or transitions or whatnot. an ideal 3d incarnation is 900 years. imagine that at the start of the harvest, there are entities that are up to any age in that spectrum. thinking that how entities generally come for harvest to such situations, there will be more entities young than old even.

so you will have a situation in which at the start of harvest there are a lot of entities who have yet hundreds of years to live.

the harvest would have to wait for all entities to die out, so that all entities could get harvested. it would last anywhere up to 900 years.

and, if harvests had taken that long, it would be something that would be discussed in Ra material. 400-600 years of harvest is not something you can miss when compared to 75,000 years of 3d cycle.

Quote:if you say the harvest lasts 500 years (totally missing any entity that is younger), and there are 3 harvest cycles, that would mean a total of 1500 years that passes in a 'harvest state' in 75,000 years.

that is pretty much a long time. if you say that harvest is 1000 years, it even goes funnier.

Quote:gateway to intelligent infinity opens at the striking of the hour, full 4d manifests, all entities that are lower than 4d vibration are harvested.

this is a plausible mechanic. it doesnt have to include any catastrophe.

Quote:if you say the harvest lasts 500 years (totally missing any entity that is younger), and there are 3 harvest cycles, that would mean a total of 1500 years that passes in a 'harvest state' in 75,000 years.

(06-13-2011, 12:26 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:

Quote:if you say the harvest lasts 500 years (totally missing any entity that is younger), and there are 3 harvest cycles, that would mean a total of 1500 years that passes in a 'harvest state' in 75,000 years.

This is completely possible. There is nothing provided to indicate otherwise.

To think 'well, Ra wouldve said something if that were the case' is silly.

(06-13-2011, 12:23 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote:

Quote:in regard to harvest, 'gateway to intelligent infinity from infinite energy opens regardless of the circumstance upon striking of the hour' is told.

Where is this told? I assumed the striking of the clock was the arrival of 4D vibrations and disappearance of 3D vibrations. The opening of the gateway to intelligent infinity was something I thought we did ourselves, not something that was done to us.

Quote:The only way knowledge of harvest will change the way we live our lives is in preparation for it.

Quote:It is an assumption to say it would be discussed in the Ra material, because Ra did not discuss anything that wasn't directly asked of them.

I'm still not really seeing a problem with that...the harvesters can wait around 1000 years easily, I'm sure.

Quote:But physical death as we understand it is required for harvest. Instead of a catastrophe, are you suggesting that non dual bodies just drop dead at a certain moment?

(06-13-2011, 12:27 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Exactly, there is a whole lot Ra didn't say. We can't assume they would have said something, because if Don didn't as, Ra didn't say.

Quote:17.29 Questioner: Am I to understand that the harvest is to occur in the year 2011, or will it be spread out?

Ra: I am Ra. This is an approximation. We have stated we have difficulty with your time/space. This is an appropriate probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest. Those who are not in incarnation at this time will be included in the harvest.

(06-13-2011, 02:31 PM)unity100 Wrote:

(06-13-2011, 12:23 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote:

Quote:in regard to harvest, 'gateway to intelligent infinity from infinite energy opens regardless of the circumstance upon striking of the hour' is told.

Where is this told? I assumed the striking of the clock was the arrival of 4D vibrations and disappearance of 3D vibrations. The opening of the gateway to intelligent infinity was something I thought we did ourselves, not something that was done to us.

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=9&ss=1#3

i referenced this multiple times. we even discussed this specifically.

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Quote:The only way knowledge of harvest will change the way we live our lives is in preparation for it.

had it been as such, an entire confederation wouldnt be trying to prepare this planet for harvest.

Quote:63.28 Questioner: Then are these entities of whom we have spoken, the third-density harvestable who have been transferred, the ones who then will, by bisexual reproduction, create the fourth-density complexes that are necessary?
Ra: I am Ra. The influxes of true color green energy complexes will more and more create the conditions in which the atomic structure of cells of bodily complexes is that of the density of love. The mind/body/spirit complexes inhabiting these physical vehicles will be, and to some extent, are, those of whom you spoke and, as harvest is completed, the harvested entities of this planetary influence.

Quote:10.9 Questioner: When graduation occurs at the end of a cycle, and entities are moved from one planet to another, by what means do they go to a new planet?
Ra: I am Ra. In the scheme of the Creator, the first step of the mind/body/spirit/totality/beingness is to place its mind/body/spirit complex distortion in the proper place of love/light. This is done to ensure proper healing of the complex and eventual attunement with the totality/beingness complex. This takes a very variable length of your time/space. After this is accomplished the experience of the cycle is dissolved and filtered until only the distillation of distortions in its pure form remains.At this time, the harvested mind/body/spirit/totality/beingness evaluates the density needs of its beingness and chooses the more appropriate new environment for either a repetition of the cycle or a moving forward into the next cycle. This is the manner of the harvesting, guarded and watched over by many.

Quote:13.23 Questioner: How does a third-density planet become a fourth density planet?
Ra: I am Ra. This will be the last full question.

The fourth density is, as we have said, as regularized in its approach as the striking of a clock upon the hour. The space/time of your solar system has enabled this planetary sphere to spiral into space/time of a different vibrational configuration. This causes the planetary sphere to be able to be molded by these new distortions. However, the thought-forms of your people during this transition period are such that the mind/body/spirit complexes of both individual and societies are scattered throughout the spectrum instead of becoming able to grasp the needle, shall we say, and point the compass in one direction.

Thus, the entry into the vibration of love, sometimes called by your people the vibration of understanding, is not effective with your present societal complex. Thus, the harvest shall be such that many will repeat the third-density cycle. The energies of your Wanderers, your teachers, and your adepts at this time are all bent upon increasing the harvest. However, there are few to harvest.