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RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - Bring4th_Austin - 06-21-2011 (06-21-2011, 12:58 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: I thought I was the receptor, the antenna, receiving the broadcast. My perspective is that we all turn our tv to the same channel to receive and vibrate to the same tune. You are, energy is inpouring to the energy centers. But we can also serve as broadcasters/radiators of love/light. Quote:65.12 Questioner: Then each of the Wanderers here acts as a function of the biases he has developed in any way he sees fit to communicate or simply be in his polarity to aid the total consciousness of the planet. Is there any physical way in which he aids, perhaps by his vibrations somehow just adding to the planet just as electrical polarity or charging a battery? Does that also aid the planet, just the physical presence of the Wanderers? I'd imagine that if this can be done passively it can also be done consciously. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - βαθμιαίος - 06-21-2011 (06-21-2011, 12:57 AM)zenmaster Wrote: What could that mean? That UFO creation is some kind of spiritual-development gauge for society? That would mean that the scientists and engineers are somehow society's representatives? Sort of like, this is how you chose to manifest your (metaphorical) vehicles of transcendence. Maybe this (about Tesla's desire "to give to the planet the infinite energy of the planetary sphere for use in lighting and power")? 11.28 Questioner: Would this freeing from darkness be commensurate with the Law of One or does this have any real product? Ra: I am Ra. The product of such a freeing would create two experiences. Firstly, the experience of no need to find the necessary emolument for payment, in your money, for energy. Secondly, the leisure afforded, thereby exemplifying the possibility and enhancing the probability of the freedom to then search the self, the beginning of seeking the Law of One. Few there are working physically from daybreak to darkness, as you name them, upon your plane who can contemplate the Law of One in a conscious fashion. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - zenmaster - 06-21-2011 Right, the free-energy suppression. Presumably the technology required for the craft is capable of providing for the free energy as well. But it's odd how, historically, only one wanderer, Telsa (and maybe a few others. Certainly plenty of BS artists.) have come to present such promising technology, considering the opportunities for survival-concern alleviation it promises. Did we collectively not 'want it' to manifest in that manner? Perhaps it was our capitalist mind set that does not see the virtue of providing something like this for free. Of course, when you have free energy, you have plenty of opportunity for crime and destruction as well as that free time. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - βαθμιαίος - 06-21-2011 I guess it gets into the conspiracy question currently being discussed in the Fukushima thread, but I'm guessing that many more than Tesla have come up with innovations that would have led us towards free energy. I'm pretty sure that since World War II (at least) all such breakthroughs have been carefully vetted and restricted for use by the national security apparatuses of our country and others. And not necessarily only for negative reasons -- as you point out, the destructive potentials of free energy are enormous, not only in criminal but also in military applications. As Ra said, the energy is not truly available for either the positive or the negative. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - Gribbons - 06-22-2011 What would the military have to fight for if energy were free? People would be content with sustenance, we wouldn't need to fight for oil anymore, and the people would have the ability/time to soul search, contemplate and create. Need we not forget the renaissance essentially started when merchants in Italy made enough money so that they and their children could spend their time asking questions about life and society and using their imagination. When basic needs are met with spare time, why would people even support a patriarchal enslavement society? Why would we need hierarchy then? Tesla wanted everyone to have free energy, but probably in a form where everyone knew how it was done. Anyone seen Watchmen? TPTB do have this technology, but are waiting to capitalize on it. Free energy sounds great, but when its only being generated in the nexus of a city, it only further concentrates public dependency on them (corporate/govt power) Also remember Hitler, before he went mad, wanted to be a painter. If he had that creative outlet in society, WWII probably wouldn't have happened. Well, at least not with him as a leader. Maybe the Pope needs to pick up the saxophone or something. "I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. My sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history, naval architecture, navigation, commerce, and agriculture, in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry, and porcelain." - John Adams RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - zenmaster - 06-22-2011 (06-22-2011, 03:39 AM)Gribbons Wrote: People would be content with sustenanceHuh? RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - unity100 - 06-22-2011 (06-21-2011, 10:46 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Did we collectively not 'want it' to manifest in that manner? Perhaps it was our capitalist mind set that does not see the virtue of providing something like this for free. bingo. thats probably one of the major reasons. in a society in which nothing is free, and everything is arranged accordingly to things having a price, something being given free rocks the entire foundation of society and causes great change. Quote: Of course, when you have free energy, you have plenty of opportunity for crime and destruction as well as that free time. that too. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - native - 06-22-2011 Perhaps the collective gets exactly what it wants, and the collective on a more subconscious level has decided that coming together and really working towards change is not something they're motivated about right now. That's evident..they're distracted, and they feel powerless. It is laziness really, the programming is a heavy influence..but nothing will be handed to them. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - Bring4th_Austin - 06-22-2011 (06-21-2011, 11:20 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: I guess it gets into the conspiracy question currently being discussed in the Fukushima thread, but I'm guessing that many more than Tesla have come up with innovations that would have led us towards free energy. I'm pretty sure that since World War II (at least) all such breakthroughs have been carefully vetted and restricted for use by the national security apparatuses of our country and others. And not necessarily only for negative reasons -- as you point out, the destructive potentials of free energy are enormous, not only in criminal but also in military applications. As Ra said, the energy is not truly available for either the positive or the negative. No doubt that even if someone did come up with a way to take advantage of the Earth's electromagnetic energy potentials, it would be suppressed by the same people who keep these weapons a secret. I feel like, if this information were free to the public, it would open up a dialogue which would bring New Age, metaphysics, things like the Ra material in from the fringes. After all, if you bring up the idea of "subtle energy" to an established scientist, they would probably laugh in your face and you'd be cast out from any sort of legitimate academia. I think Zen nailed it saying that our capitalist mindset wouldn't really allow free energy to manifest in our reality. We're born into this system and it is ingrained in our psyche from day one. No doubt many, many people hold some sort of "capitalist bias" that would prevent free energy from being a reality. You guys every read/watch The Watchmen? This idea is uncannily similar to the scene where the corporate bigheads are accusing Ozymandias of being a communist for wanting to provide free energy. I feel like a lot of that book was intuited from a grander source than just vivid imagination. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - 3DMonkey - 06-22-2011 This is one of those topics that we just can't imagine what would happen "if." the funny thing is, I think it is the inability to see what would happen that fuels the suppressions or what not. In regards to this, there is something so scary about the unknown that we just won't walk faithfully/foolishly into it. And I'm speaking of our entire collective. We want it, but, collectively, there is something unsettling about the prospect. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - Bring4th_Austin - 06-22-2011 (06-22-2011, 11:56 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: This is one of those topics that we just can't imagine what would happen "if." the funny thing is, I think it is the inability to see what would happen that fuels the suppressions or what not. The collective needs to catch up ![]() Indeed, I think it is the very concept you're talking about which makes this such a small harvest. The collective will not play the part of the Fool, embodying the archetypal concept of the Choice RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - native - 06-22-2011 Yes, the unsettling nature of the choice holds us back. There is an ideal that we want equality, but truthfully there is still separation. If the collective truly wanted equality, it would have happened by now. At this moment, it is just a warm fuzzy feeling that brings self-comfort in believing that they embody a certain amount of good within them. Truthfully however, they are caught up in making the sacrifice of putting others ahead of themselves, so they continue to indulge in the self and sit on the fence of inaction. You can take a kind-hearted person that values their moral authenticity, but as soon as you mention self-sacrifice or the necessity of cutting into their level of comfort for the collective they immediately become defensive. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - Bring4th_Austin - 06-22-2011 To rewind topics a little bit, I was going through Book 1 last night and found some information I find very relevant to our discussion on what harvest is, what the opening of the gateway to intelligent infinity is, who can harvest themselves, etc. First off, I found this incredibly interesting (regarding the 150 harvestable entities from the previous cycle): Quote: This seems to me to signify that at least for the first two cycles, Harvest included a visit from the Confederation. I wonder if something like this will happen during our harvest? Also this is curious... Quote:22.13 Questioner: Did all of these entities then decide to stay and help during the next 25,000 year cycle? There's also hints in some other sessions about STO individuals opening the gateway to intelligent infinity and being able to harvest themselves. I've gotta think about these for a bit... RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - unity100 - 06-22-2011 (06-22-2011, 12:42 PM)Icaro Wrote: Yes, the unsettling nature of the choice holds us back. There is an ideal that we want equality, but truthfully there is still separation. most unfortunately, many dont want equality. there are all kinds of justifications ranging from 'i work harder' to 'i am more gifted' for not wanting equality. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - 3DMonkey - 06-22-2011 I can't help myself...... MIRROR RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - native - 06-22-2011 (06-22-2011, 03:38 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: This seems to me to signify that at least for the first two cycles, Harvest included a visit from the Confederation. I wonder if something like this will happen during our harvest? 17.22 ...The particular mind/body/spirit complex you call Jesus is, as what you would call an entity, not to return except as a member of the Confederation speaking through a channel. However, there are others of the identical congruency of consciousness that will welcome those to the fourth-density. This is the meaning of the returning. It seems that teachers will appear. It's also interesting to note that someone may channel Jesus in the future? RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - Oceania - 06-23-2011 they already do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C4kH0uK9Ek RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - zenmaster - 06-23-2011 (06-23-2011, 12:00 AM)Oceania Wrote: they already do.Amazingly awkward video. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - Oceania - 06-23-2011 how so? you get over the stephen hawking. are you dissing Jesus? RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - zenmaster - 06-23-2011 The speech synthesis repeating over and over how to take care of dietary matters for the purpose of ascension. Odd. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - Oceania - 06-23-2011 hey, i only provided the Jesus. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - native - 06-23-2011 (06-22-2011, 05:14 PM)unity100 Wrote: most unfortunately, many dont want equality. There are few who believe communal efforts are fair. In a place like America, to suggest a communal approach on a large scale is blasphemous. It will never happen unless the upcoming generations support it. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - Monica - 06-23-2011 (06-22-2011, 11:52 PM)Icaro Wrote: It seems that teachers will appear. It's also interesting to note that someone may channel Jesus in the future? Lots of people already claim to channel Jesus. Will the real Jesus please stand up? RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - Oceania - 06-23-2011 that's why he's not coming back. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - native - 06-23-2011 Or as Bill Hicks used to say..maybe it's because we still wear crosses! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXes84ESQ5U RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - particlepopup - 06-23-2011 (06-23-2011, 12:24 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:(06-22-2011, 11:52 PM)Icaro Wrote: It seems that teachers will appear. It's also interesting to note that someone may channel Jesus in the future? I'm Brian!!! RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - Bring4th_Austin - 06-23-2011 (06-22-2011, 11:52 PM)Icaro Wrote:(06-22-2011, 03:38 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: This seems to me to signify that at least for the first two cycles, Harvest included a visit from the Confederation. I wonder if something like this will happen during our harvest? I wish Don could have asked Ra to specify about statements like this. "How exactly will they welcome us? Will they appear to us in the physical on the day of harvest? Or will they welcome us to 4th density after the transition is complete?" I'm excited at the prospect of 4D beings appearing to us in the physical in the near future. For some reason I feel like that's not exactly how it will work. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - 3DMonkey - 06-23-2011 (06-23-2011, 11:26 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: I wish Don could have asked Ra to specify about statements like this. No kidding! Hindsight is 20/20. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - Bring4th_Austin - 06-23-2011 I must admit I couldn't imagine being in Don's seat though. Think of how many times we have to read this stuff to really grasp it...he probably didn't really process in the moment every little thing Ra said. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - βαθμιαίος - 06-24-2011 That's the great thing about listening to the audio. You can hear his mind working. I think a lot of times he had a list of questions to ask for that session. If he got an answer that he didn't know what to do with he just moved on to the next question. But a lot of his follow-ups are amazing, especially given how s l o w l y Ra spoke and how easy it must have been to zone out. |