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RE: The mysterious nature of time - kia - 09-17-2011
(09-17-2011, 10:29 AM)Confused Wrote: Dear kia, since you ask, I 'recommend'. Start with the last one that has been posted. Do you remember the Lord's words, which says something to the effect of that which was considered last stands first?
Of course
RE: The mysterious nature of time - Confused - 09-17-2011
RE: The mysterious nature of time - Meerie - 09-17-2011
Which one do you mean to start with? Tao in a nutshell?
C, 3d will be very angry at you!
RE: The mysterious nature of time - AnthroHeart - 09-17-2011
(09-17-2011, 10:21 AM)Confused Wrote:
Awesome video Confused. The Tao is always there, we just need to allow it in by not fighting and resisting.
Notice how fluid the graphics in the background are? That's close to how the Field feels and flows.
It teaches, nurtures and carries us if we but allow it.
RE: The mysterious nature of time - Meerie - 09-17-2011
That is good to know, Gem! you know, I always wondered how these ripples were, since I could not really relate to that term.
RE: The mysterious nature of time - AnthroHeart - 09-17-2011
(09-17-2011, 11:01 AM)Confused Wrote:
This quote actually brought tears to my eyes: "You are the jewel between your own eyes. The sage is guided by what he feels, not by what he sees. Come and know me with your mind."
Remember though that traveling is illusion. The illusion gets more and more real as we approach Creator.
Yes, reality gets real-er.
RE: The mysterious nature of time - Ruth - 09-17-2011
Gemini Wolf - you answered a question I was going to ask before I could ask it. The question was, is anyone else ever moved to tears when reading/sharing here? Thank you!
RE: The mysterious nature of time - kia - 09-17-2011
(09-17-2011, 11:22 AM)Ruth Wrote: Gemini Wolf - you answered a question I was going to ask before I could ask it. The question was, is anyone else ever moved to tears when reading/sharing here? Thank you!
Definately Ruth, many times
After reading all these beautiful verses from the Tao Te Ching I´ve decided to throw away my spanish Tao´s translation, it was horrible..no wonder why I couldn´t keep up with the reading..
RE: The mysterious nature of time - AnthroHeart - 09-17-2011
Confused, could you create another thread that's about the Tao and seeking. It's different from the time videos you had posted. That way we could keep discussions of such on topic.
RE: The mysterious nature of time - Confused - 09-17-2011
Hello, Gemini, glad you liked the videos
I notice that you have spoken on the Field even before. If I remember right, you even had a phrase for it -- "the unmanifested field". I trust the urge to merge into the stream of 'everything that there is' a constant refrain in your life as well, as it is in mine. Evolution in many ways is a factor of Time. We came from the Fullness and will return to it through the journey across the landscape of the eternal NOW. For me, understanding Time is an important aspect of seeking the Tao or the One Infinite Creator or Brahman. That is why I have them in here.
This thread is my elegiac ode to the Tao or Brahman, to quickly move me across the forest of labyrinthine Time, in terms of providing me complete assimilation into the Infinite Intelligent Field.
RE: The mysterious nature of time - AnthroHeart - 09-17-2011
Confused, I'm learning more each day. What seems to make sense one day is overshadowed with what I learn the next. At this current point in time, I'm experiencing ripples more strongly, but much more controlled. I used to have fear when one would squeeze on me, but now I've become a lot more objective. I can step away from my body while still in it, sort of separating my mind a bit so that it allows the vibrations to come and work as needed. So now I just allow the ripples to move me as they would.
So when let's say I look at a piece of erotic art. It immediately produces an emotional response. I can take this sexual energy and move it upwards into higher chakras, in a sense looking at this art through the eyes of love, wisdom, and indigo (where then I realize it's illusion). At the moment of emotional response, a strong series of ripples/waves is formed that slosh my field back and forth. Instead of fearing, I allow it to happen, and they settle down. Then I find myself that much more still in the face of catalyst. So then, the most arousing piece of artwork I can find can be taken to baseline where I don't have an emotional response to it. It's not that it no longer is interesting, it's that I don't produce a strong response to it.
Same with things that we find horrific, such as the images at rotten.com for instance (don't look there if you're squeamish). Being able to look at these produces substantial catalyst, which when you allow, the ripples will settle down and you'll find stillness, both among immensely erotic art, as well as horrific imagery.
I'm still working on stillness amongs these extremes, but I just let my field do it's thing with a certain detachment.
RE: The mysterious nature of time - Confused - 09-17-2011
(09-17-2011, 02:11 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: ....certain detachment
Ah! I think that is the key word - DETACHMENT.
For instance, I have a strong attachment to this thread because this is a thread that 'I' started. How very seductive the nature of the veil and the illusion is!
However, it is my unwillingness to let GO that empowers it more and more, I think.
RE: The mysterious nature of time - AnthroHeart - 09-17-2011
It's taken me years to be able to learn to let go at the extent that I do now. I can't really argue with anyone because as soon as I say the first few words, I feel my energy being pulled toward the subject of my words. In fact I don't respond if the other person is wanting to argue. I can't even lie, since that distorts my blue ray.
I have found that the more I let go, and allow, the more intense the catalyst seems to get. Most of the catalyst is unconscious, only feeling. I don't know from what the cause is, but I do know that later on things don't affect me as much.
My detachment though is helped because I feel the energy moving. I know exactly how to place my mindset, to separate from my body's auto-responses. (and these are some serious auto-responses, sometimes taking an hour or more to settle down). I become ok at one level, then the catalyst becomes denser. It can to some extent throw you off a little even gravitationally, which induces a degree of fear because then one begins to lose their identity.
Not so much that we are no longer who we are, but in the sense we don't identify with the ego/body as much. It then begins to feel like we're free-floating on an energetic level, even though we're really grounded well. It's like keeping your balance when riding a bike, but on a 3-dimensional scale. Lots of little wobbles to compensate for.
(09-17-2011, 05:24 PM)Confused Wrote: Ah! I think that is the key word - DETACHMENT.
For instance, I have a strong attachment to this thread because this is a thread that 'I' started. How very seductive the nature of the veil and the illusion is!
However, it is my unwillingness to let GO that empowers it more and more, I think.
RE: The mysterious nature of time - Confused - 09-17-2011
Gemini, I have also noticed that the measure of envy inside me is a good indicator of the level of ego-identification within me. Envy also is, I think, a good barometer for polarisation or lack there of.
RE: The mysterious nature of time - AnthroHeart - 09-17-2011
I think any automatic emotional response would be inversely related to the measure of polarization. I can't be for certain though.
I just know at higher sub-densities (within 3rd and possibly 4th), the lower denser energies are already stilled. We are in the process of stilling distortions as we move upward. Then we sort of float upward in density as we still these responses.
So I'd say, getting excited over a new car to the same intensity you would have envy of someone else having one, would produce the same amount of distortion.
Yeah, the less we identify with ego, the more conscious control we have over these "unconscious processes". The more we see through the veil in other words.
RE: The mysterious nature of time - Meerie - 09-18-2011
Gem, I have a problem with the word "stillness". because that seems a bit like what death could signify to an atheist to me - a stagnant state of nothing.
When you say stillness, do you mean nothing? no emotions, no feelings no... anything?
Because I thought the buddha nature (or Tao) could be similar to an ocean - waves and storms on top and quiet underneath. In other words, there are still feelings and emotions (we are still human after all) but they come without attachment. One is able to observe and acknowledge, even appreciate them, but they do not control or determine you.
RE: The mysterious nature of time - Confused - 09-18-2011
Happiness is the only good. The time to be happy is now. The place to be
happy is here. The way to be happy is to make others so.
Ingersoll, Robert Green - http://quotationsbook.com/quotes/author/3707/
RE: The mysterious nature of time - AnthroHeart - 09-18-2011
Meerie, I'm still new to all this, but I found when the energy felt smooth and not shaky, I moved up to where the energy felt denser. Yes I can continue to have emotions. We all have our own levels of spiritual seeking and development. So when I speak, just take what works for you. I know with me, when I haven't shown an automatic response to stimuli, it's helped me progress. It actually gives me power because I'm not as controlled by subconscious processes.
As for emotion, yes I can definitely feel it when I want to. In fact, I can feel them deeply when I choose to. Little things like someone reading a children's story to children can produce in me some deep, positive feelings, because I allow that to happen, rather than being controlled by the emotion.
It's hard to come from another person's perspective since I only really have my own. For me with this sense of feeling, it's easy to know stillness, at least how "being still" feels at my current level of development. For others, maybe having more "at-will" emotions rather than being controlled by them. Of course I could be wrong. Being in the "flow" does produce unexpected emotions for me, though I allow that by purposefully being in the flow. The energy is always moving for me now, so being still to me is a centeredness in the face of all that moving energy.
RE: The mysterious nature of time - Confused - 09-18-2011
Quote: 71.7 Questioner: Is the process in positive time/space identical with the process in negative time/space for this healing? Ra: I am Ra. The process in space/time of the forgiveness and acceptance is much like that in time/space in that the qualities of the process are analogous. However, while in space/time it is not possible to determine the course of events beyond the incarnation but only to correct present imbalances. In time/space, upon the other hand, it is not possible to correct any unbalanced actions but rather to perceive the imbalances and thusly forgive the self for that which is.I think the above quote is an excellent commentary on the properties of s/t and t/s.
The decisions then are made to set up the possibility/probabilities of correcting these imbalances in what you call future space/time experiences. The advantage of time/space is that of the fluidity of the grand overview. The advantage of space/time is that, working in darkness with a tiny candle, one may correct imbalances.
In s/t, we have the ability to move through space at our will, but not possible to do the same with time. In s/t, time moves through us, and hence, it is indeed metaphorically the 'river of time'.
In t/s, I think the situation reverses, with the entity being able to move through time, but held rooted to a point in space. Thus the entity can travel through time, but not through space. Probably, the past can be viewed along with probably the potential timelines created out of the choices made in hitherto previous incarnations.
All my opinion, based on that quote, only.
RE: The mysterious nature of time - 3DMonkey - 09-18-2011
(09-18-2011, 07:07 AM)Confused Wrote:Quote: 71.7 Questioner: Is the process in positive time/space identical with the process in negative time/space for this healing? Ra: I am Ra. The process in space/time of the forgiveness and acceptance is much like that in time/space in that the qualities of the process are analogous. However, while in space/time it is not possible to determine the course of events beyond the incarnation but only to correct present imbalances. In time/space, upon the other hand, it is not possible to correct any unbalanced actions but rather to perceive the imbalances and thusly forgive the self for that which is.I think the above quote is an excellent commentary on the properties of s/t and t/s.
The decisions then are made to set up the possibility/probabilities of correcting these imbalances in what you call future space/time experiences. The advantage of time/space is that of the fluidity of the grand overview. The advantage of space/time is that, working in darkness with a tiny candle, one may correct imbalances.
In s/t, we have the ability to move through space at our will, but not possible to do the same with time. In s/t, time moves through us, and hence, it is indeed metaphorically the 'river of time'.
In t/s, I think the situation reverses, with the entity being able to move through time, but held rooted to a point in space. Thus the entity can travel through time, but not through space. Probably, the past can be viewed along with the probably the potential timelines created out of the choices made in hitherto previous incarnations.
All my opinion, based on that quote, only.
That sounds perfect to me. What has always baffled me was that in s/t, as you mention it, time is a river running through us... so, in t/s, space would be the equivalent of the s/t "river". It is baffling to contemplate how that works. A theory is that the space movement in t/s is relevant to the s/t location of the 'entity' in question. I think your summation should be applied to the mystery that ties s/t and t/s into the single moment. Thus, we find our 'Body' on the side of s/t. Our t/s side needs our Body's current balancing efforts as much as our Body needs the overview perspective of the 'Spirit' in t/s. Supposing the Mind to connect the two, in a sense.
I think the idea of overview is very relevant
"Ra: I am Ra. There is past, present, and future in third density. In an overview such as an entity may have, removed from the space/time continuum, it may be seen that in the cycle of completion there exists only the present. We, ourselves, seek to learn this understanding. At the seventh level or dimension, we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all."
"This is not a dimension of knowing, even subjectively, due to the lack of overview of cosmic and other in-pourings which affect each and every situation which produces catalyst. The subjective acceptance of that which is at the moment and the finding of love within that moment is the greater freedom."
RE: The mysterious nature of time - Confused - 09-18-2011
Excellent points, 3. It is also noteworthy that teacher Ra said "...no past or future...", but did not include the present in that. There is something very mysterious about the NOW, or as you put it, the way it conjoins s/t and t/s in ways that we do not understand yet. Given the fact that an advanced sixth density entity such as Ra are still learning it, it is no surprise that we are barely beginning to scratch the surface.
RE: The mysterious nature of time - 3DMonkey - 09-18-2011
The idea of time/space is probably what contributes to certain locations on Earth being seen/felt as energized, sacred, or meaningful. If time/space is an actual reciprocal existence to space/time, then there would seem to be certain coordinates in our 3D space where much more has occurred in time/space (past, future). Right? What comes to my mind are locations where many entities have ended there space/time incarnations, e.g. sacrificial alters or revisited battle grounds. Then, of course, we can imagine sights of future ET landings, or sights of past meteorites.
If you were willing and able to follow along with what I just presented, I have an additional curiosity to add to the mix. If these space/time coordinates of Earth are indeed purposeful for the perspective that time/space is a reality, then why would the space/time coordinates be relative to Earth's sphere. Why would the coordinates not be on a grid of the Milky Way galaxy instead of the Earth's surface? ..... and I wonder if the island of Maui, for instance, has every been in the same grid-like coordinates of the Milky Way Galaxy twice....
How does time/space work?
RE: The mysterious nature of time - AnthroHeart - 09-18-2011
I'm finding some interesting things with regard to processing these vibrational distortions toward being still. Many times my field will be distorted a bit in such a manner that I am uncertain how to balance it. I have a feeling of confusion. Then my blue ray lights up and it's like asking the universe "how do I balance this?" The universe responds and the distortion is balanced.
If the flow gets too much, as in too much data/light for instance, the indigo ray will control the flow, sort of like applying brakes to it. These pretty much happen automatically when I learn to let go.
I'm not sure about time/space except that I believe the gateway to intelligent infinity is the gateway into time/space.
RE: The mysterious nature of time - Confused - 09-18-2011
3, you said some very complex things there. I am not sure I understood much of it. Shall we break it down into more discrete levels?
Gem, why do you think time/space is the gateway to intelligent infinity? Can you explain?
RE: The mysterious nature of time - AnthroHeart - 09-18-2011
Confused, I can't be sure, but from what I understand, when we cross into time/space we can then be harvested into 4D. I believe opening the gateway, we go through time/space, rather than staying in space/time as we go into 4D.
I'm still learning, and realizing some new truths each day, and learning how some other truths were wrong.
If we get into a continual state of acceptance, I think that opens the gateway to time/space. I believe we can touch on intelligent infinity at the 7th subdensity of each density. I'm still very new to this, so with my limited 3D capacity, I can't be sure.
RE: The mysterious nature of time - Confused - 09-18-2011
(09-18-2011, 08:11 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: If we get into a continual state of acceptance, I think that opens the gateway to time/space.
Thanks, GW
I really needed to hear that.RE: The mysterious nature of time - AnthroHeart - 09-18-2011
No problem Confused. The acceptance though gets harder as we go on. Or should I say, more infinitely subtle. I can just barely perceive the levels of subtlety I'm accepting at. Extremely strong/dense waves, with extremely fine subtlety of acceptance, barely perceptable.
RE: The mysterious nature of time - 3DMonkey - 09-18-2011
(09-18-2011, 07:55 PM)Confused Wrote: 3, you said some very complex things there. I am not sure I understood much of it. Shall we break it down into more discrete levels?
3DM Wrote:The idea of time/space is probably what contributes to certain locations on Earth being seen/felt as energized, sacred, or meaningful. If time/space is an actual reciprocal existence to space/time, then there would seem to be certain coordinates in our 3D space where much more has occurred in time/space (past, future). Right? What comes to my mind are locations where many entities have ended there space/time incarnations, e.g. sacrificial alters or revisited battle grounds. Then, of course, we can imagine sights of future ET landings, or sights of past meteorites.
If you were willing and able to follow along with what I just presented, I have an additional curiosity to add to the mix. If these space/time coordinates of Earth are indeed purposeful for the perspective that time/space is a reality, then why would the space/time coordinates be relative to Earth's sphere. Why would the coordinates not be on a grid of the Milky Way galaxy instead of the Earth's surface? ..... and I wonder if the island of Maui, for instance, has every been in the same grid-like coordinates of the Milky Way Galaxy twice....
The first thing I said was an idea that a location where many entities have been over the time course of eternity may hold a greater amount of time/space significance in any particular space/time nexus. Let's break that down first. Did I make sense?
Here is a very mediocre example to express the idea: Perhaps there is a heavily traveled road. On this road there is a dangerous curve. Over time, many entities have driven this curve and had a thought 'this is dangerous, someone is going to get hurt on this curve one day'. Perhaps there is great build up of time/space negative energy surrounding this thought. Perhaps this energy will, in fact, express itself in space/time with this 'seed' coming to 'fruition' in the form of actual physical fatality.
(on another note, I think this idea is somewhat synonymous with "negative fifth density entity")
Like I said, mediocre example. The Wailing Wall comes to mind. Some kind of ritualistic sacrificial murder alter comes to mind.
RE: The mysterious nature of time - Meerie - 09-19-2011
There are actually places on earth that are energy spots caused by the grid and the lines that run around the earth and interconnect.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/mapas_ocultotierra/esp_mapa_ocultotierra_04.htm
And the ancients who had more innate sensitivity knew this and built temples, or pyramids on exactly these spots. So it is not only that these places were imbued by certain thoughts from people, but they were special from the start, due to their geographic position.
These energy lines and nexi points are charged with different energies. Have you ever been standing somewhere and felt that something was weird about that place? felt a tickling in your feet, or you suddenly got restless and wanted to move on?
In the landscape you can sometimes see trees that do not grow straight upwards but make bends and curve around themselves. Try to stand close to such a tree and feel .... and see how your body feels and if you wanna stay there or not.
(09-18-2011, 11:22 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:3DM Wrote:The idea of time/space is probably what contributes to certain locations on Earth being seen/felt as energized, sacred, or meaningful. If time/space is an actual reciprocal existence to space/time, then there would seem to be certain coordinates in our 3D space where much more has occurred in time/space (past, future). Right? What comes to my mind are locations where many entities have ended there space/time incarnations, e.g. sacrificial alters or revisited battle grounds. Then, of course, we can imagine sights of future ET landings, or sights of past meteorites.
If you were willing and able to follow along with what I just presented, I have an additional curiosity to add to the mix. If these space/time coordinates of Earth are indeed purposeful for the perspective that time/space is a reality, then why would the space/time coordinates be relative to Earth's sphere. Why would the coordinates not be on a grid of the Milky Way galaxy instead of the Earth's surface? ..... and I wonder if the island of Maui, for instance, has every been in the same grid-like coordinates of the Milky Way Galaxy twice....
The first thing I said was an idea that a location where many entities have been over the time course of eternity may hold a greater amount of time/space significance in any particular space/time nexus. Let's break that down first. Did I make sense?
Here is a very mediocre example to express the idea: Perhaps there is a heavily traveled road. On this road there is a dangerous curve. Over time, many entities have driven this curve and had a thought 'this is dangerous, someone is going to get hurt on this curve one day'. Perhaps there is great build up of time/space negative energy surrounding this thought. Perhaps this energy will, in fact, express itself in space/time with this 'seed' coming to 'fruition' in the form of actual physical fatality.
RE: The mysterious nature of time - 3DMonkey - 09-19-2011
Yes. Of course, three dimensions of space holds all kinds of physical phenomenon.
If I walk outside, the effects of time under the sun will burn my skin. If I flew to the moon, my time would be immediately shortenedbecause of the physical qualities of space on the moon.
The one dimension of time we can't escape but must move around is easily considered. It is the idea of what a one dimensional movement of space would be like. To apply the same reasoning, in time/space, I could maneuver thru time but unable to escape the locale of changing space.
In s/t, in order to avoid the effects of sun exposure over time, I walk under the shade of a tree.
In t/s, in order to avoid the effects of "XYZ", I would move to a time when XYZ wasn't fully exposed.
What we don't fully understand is how space operates in time/space. In space/time, we arerestricted to the Earth because its three dimensional space physical laws are suited to our physical necessities. There is a space known as the Sun, but our physical space of our body is restricted to ever be on the Sun.
In time/space, there must be similar restrictions as to when we can travel to. It also must be restricted to a particular linear space. And my foremost question is What determines what this "space" is? Is it a coordinate on the Earth's surface? Is it a coordinate of the Milky Way? Is it a coordinate of our Solar system? Is it a coordinate of the one infinte energy?
Alas, the only answer I require is that here and now is when and where The Self has Consciousness. The time my Conscious Body is experiencing now is within these three dimensions of space. The space my Conscious Spirit is experiencing here is within 'those' three dimensions of time. (I like that.
I think I will bold that)Therefore, just as my body wouldn't possibly exist on the sun, there must be a time locale when my spirit wouldn't possibly exist. Neither is very relevant to who I am now. I will eventually meet the end of my time here in space/time. I can only conclude that the "me" of this experienced time/space will end too, as the togetherness, the equal bond, of me as a space/time-time/space consciousness will transform into something completely unrecognizable.