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RE: Understanding STO,STS, Densities - I_Am_The_One - 04-19-2015
(04-19-2015, 01:43 AM)Minyatur Wrote: I think I view it like that because if you put everything as a whole acting as One then there is only one source of all and all wickedness and evil came from the very same source as light and love and fundamentally are the same. If there is truly something to blame, it is the exploration of many-ness which creates these experience to create knowledge and wisdom, rendering the Infinity intelligent.
Without these things there would be nothing because there are two polarities of the one same thing only existing through the subjectivity of experience and choice. I also do think it is hard to become detached from what is near us and it is something I work on constantly. All is One means that my potential is the same as that of all doer of wickedness and that in truth I am doing everything that is done as other-selves.
To remove evil means to remove free will and to remove the desire of experiences which create a reality to exist in.
I do think it is hard to accept but it seems to me that all work that is done is always the evolution toward fully integrating the Law of One.
Very nicely stated, minyatur. Enyiah we all are growing and learning. When I was younger I felt the same or close to the same way you do. I felt like I had to eradicate darkness, And bring light to the world. Its desires and thoughts like these, that propel us down our chosen paths. I realize now, to hate, loathe, and to eradicate said darkness. Is exactly how the dark feels about the light. I see now they are opposite perceptions of the same journey. Each propeling the other into further experience. It is also a very helpful tool, when one realizes the areas the dark ones "attack." Are actually areas in your knowing that need balancing. You are forever, do not fear them physically. The worst thing they can do to you is, end your incarnation, and make you step off the path of light. In the bigger scheme of things losing an incarnation is relatively small. Even stepping off the steps of light can be fixed. It is not so important to focus on space/time outcomes of what these entities do. Transmute the dark unto light. Much love to all.
RE: Understanding STO,STS, Densities - I_Am_The_One - 04-19-2015
Also enyiah to admit so easily one is more learned in the ways of one, shows great spirituality to me. I love you, lets walk these steps of light.
RE: Understanding STO,STS, Densities - I_Am_The_One - 04-19-2015
(04-14-2015, 02:37 AM)1109 Wrote:I would say so, the cassiopeia home world is very close to orion. They are negatives, contaminating Ras message. Whilst dissemenating fear through prophesies containing to conspiracies on this planet. I see many questions that seem directly along the lines, or towards an area Ra has talked about, but then the casseopians go directly opposite. As if to purposely move against what Ra has said. Seems to me what Jim has stated, is exactly whats going on. I find them completely focused on negative transient material, in most of there channeling. The answers short, and leave much to be distorted. I do not recommend reading this material. It may cause confusion, which I believe it is designed to do, in your seeking of the one infinite creator.(04-14-2015, 01:50 AM)LawOfOne.info Wrote:I wonder if there's any correlation between these cassiopeians and the ones mentioned by Ra here.(04-14-2015, 01:39 AM)Session 11.12 Wrote: Questioner: Where are these three entities now?
Ra: I am Ra. These entities are in the dimension known to you as fourth. Therefore the space/time continua are not compatible. An approximation of the space/time locus of each would net no actual understanding. Each chose a fourth-density planet which was dedicated to the pursuit of the understanding of the Law of One through service to self, one in what you know as the Orion group, one in what you know as Cassiopeia, one in what you know as Southern Cross; however, these loci are not satisfactory. We do not have vocabulary for the geometric calculations necessary for transfer of this understanding to you.
RE: Understanding STO,STS, Densities - Minyatur - 04-19-2015
Is seen what is sought.
RE: Understanding STO,STS, Densities - Stranger - 04-19-2015
(04-13-2015, 12:51 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: I believe (I'm not sure how directly Ra addressed this) that one of the most cruel and harmful distortions the STS side ever introduced to the world was the demonization of sex. Yes, sex *can* be misused, but it can also be among the most powerful ways of embracing the love\light, and generating positive energies between people. Thus, of course, those who seek to control others like to control via sexual gating and ideas like "perversion" to shame people into compliance.
Granted, there are also valid reasons a tribe wouldn't want its members breeding too prodigiously, what with limited food and such, but this justifiable reason was quickly turned into a pure control system far too often, and in nearly every culture on earth. In doing so, they suppressed one of the best outlets for our energies the 3D realm has managed to come up with.
So I'd say more or less, as long as it's consensual and doesn't leave permanent marks, no harm no foul. If everyone leaves happy (and proper precautions are used) it's all good.
Three comments to that: sex without love is essentially the use of another human as an object for self-gratification. This is why Ra explains that unless a green-ray energy exchange occurs, sex is ultimately unsatisfying and leads to more desire for sex. Psychologically and spiritually, this is damaging, in the same way that hedonism in general is spiritually damaging by focusing on the material/physical and therefore inherently negating the spiritual. Recall one of Michael Newton's subjects saying that "sex is one of the biggest spiritual traps on Earth" (paraphrased). This is not to say that casual sex cannot be loving - but it is less probable that you can have a deep soul to soul connection if you barely know the other person.
Second, sex = energy exchange. Those of us on an intentional spiritual path work pretty hard to keep our thoughts, emotions, actions, -- in other words, our energies - focused on light. Casual sex could be somewhat like taking a random container off the shelf at Auto Zone and pouring its contents into your drink of water. You can even pick up some nasty thought-form polluters that can be very difficult to shake. Venereal diseases are a nice physical analog or manifestation of the spiritual pollution one is likely to pick up through promiscuity.
Third, there may be other reasons (than limiting population) to reserve sexual intercourse to mated couples. Children are a major if not the major reason. Children need stability and healthy/supportive attachment. By all indicators - and I mean all indicators - children of single parents, on average, fare much worse than those of stable couples.
Ultimately, as with anything in existence, it is good and positive but only if utilized in harmony with spiritual principles.
RE: Understanding STO,STS, Densities - Enyiah - 04-19-2015
Quote:Minyatur : I think I view it like that because if you put everything as a whole acting as One then there is only one source of all and all wickedness and evil came from the very same source as light and love and fundamentally are the same. If there is truly something to blame, it is the exploration of many-ness which creates these experience to create knowledge and wisdom, rendering the Infinity intelligent.
I tend to disagree with the bolded statement. Wickedness and evil does not originate in God/Source/InfiniteLogos. This can be verified and proven and needs no defense. Therefore God/Source/InfiniteLogos is NOT bi-polar!
Quote:Minyatur: To
remove evil means to remove free will and to remove the desire of experiences which create a reality to exist in.
I do think it is hard to accept but it seems to me that all work that is done is always the evolution toward fully integrating the Law of One
I agree that we're on the same path of 'seeking' and 'evolution' and for me this is not how I am integrating the LOO. I would like to say more but am refraining from doing so in respect of your right to your freewill choices.
Quote:I_Am_The_One: I realize now to hate loathe and eradicate said darkness....
My only true power/service is Love. I do not waste this precious Life/Love energy on 'hating' or 'loathing'. I realize that there are persons/creatures in this world/universe who have used their choice of freewill to commit abominable acts in order to satisfy their own purpose/agenda.
If I were to 'follow' Minyatur's ideas of integrating the LOO, then I would be making allowance of equal footing for the 'light' and 'dark' within my being because his distortion of the LOO is telling me so. I understand why the idea of Choice is elusive for someone in the case.
Quote:I_Am_The_One : It is also a very helpful tool, when one realizes the areas the dark ones "attack." Are actually areas in your knowing that need balancing. Transmute the dark unto light.
Good advice. Like you I am learning. That's what it's all about anyhow. For me to ponder on the process of rendering Light for Dark is achieved is a journey in and of itself.
Thank-you for sharing your thoughts/truths as it has offered me the opportunity to explore and define mine.
Namaste
RE: Understanding STO,STS, Densities - JerryF - 04-19-2015
(04-14-2015, 11:30 AM)Lighthead Wrote: . . . If you really do want to read it in a way that doesn't make you go too insane, I would recommend reading the Wave volumes, on the main part of the website. The information there is generally about the transition into 4th density. It's more relevant. But I agree. It sometimes gets pointless.
My introduction to the Cassiopaean channeling was through reading the Wave series starting around 2002 and other compilations/commentaries written by the main channeler, Laura Knight-Jadczyk. (I did not read full transcripts of sessions – only the excerpts in her essays.)
Laura’s essays helped me to get a more accurate understanding of who has been calling the shots in society and how STS operates. I found it helpful at the time. I had been sleepwalking through life for many years and was not aware how false the PR version of history and politics was.
After a few years, I began to feel unbalanced with reading so much material on STS. I drifted away from the Cassiopaean material and other authors, such as David Icke, who focused on STS. Instead, I put more attention on STO oriented books and channeling, in particular the Ra Material and Carla’s follow-up channeling and books.
The disclaimer that appears at the beginning of all Q’uo session transcripts can also be applied when reading Cassiopaean transcripts or Laura’s commentaries on her channeling sessions:
“please use your discrimination and judgment in assessing this material. If something rings true to you, fine. If something does not resonate, please leave it behind”
I like how no single channeled source is 100% applicable - a 100% reliable oracle. Otherwise, how would we learn to develop our powers of discernment?
“I believe that we are all channels in one way or another. Over a period of
years we look at ourselves, notice what things are easy for us and what
things difficult. We begin to become aware of the gifts that we have,
whether they seem small or great, and as our life proceeds we each decide
how to offer our gifts. We ask two separate questions about our gifts. The
first is, ‘What nourishes me?’; the second is, ‘How can I nourish others?’ ”
Carla Rueckert, A Channeling Handbook
RE: Understanding STO,STS, Densities - I_Am_The_One - 04-19-2015
(04-19-2015, 11:33 AM)Enyiah Wrote:Quote:Minyatur : I think I view it like that because if you put everything as a whole acting as One then there is only one source of all and all wickedness and evil came from the very same source as light and love and fundamentally are the same. If there is truly something to blame, it is the exploration of many-ness which creates these experience to create knowledge and wisdom, rendering the Infinity intelligent.
I tend to disagree with the bolded statement. Wickedness and evil does not originate in God/Source/InfiniteLogos. This can be verified and proven and needs no defense. Therefore God/Source/InfiniteLogos is NOT bi-polar!
Quote:Minyatur: To
remove evil means to remove free will and to remove the desire of experiences which create a reality to exist in.
I do think it is hard to accept but it seems to me that all work that is done is always the evolution toward fully integrating the Law of One
I agree that we're on the same path of 'seeking' and 'evolution' and for me this is not how I am integrating the LOO. I would like to say more but am refraining from doing so in respect of your right to your freewill choices.
Quote:I_Am_The_One: I realize now to hate loathe and eradicate said darkness....
My only true power/service is Love. I do not waste this precious Life/Love energy on 'hating' or 'loathing'. I realize that there are persons/creatures in this world/universe who have used their choice of freewill to commit abominable acts in order to satisfy their own purpose/agenda.
If I were to 'follow' Minyatur's ideas of integrating the LOO, then I would be making allowance of equal footing for the 'light' and 'dark' within my being because his distortion of the LOO is telling me so. I understand why the idea of Choice is elusive for someone in the case.
Quote:I_Am_The_One : It is also a very helpful tool, when one realizes the areas the dark ones "attack." Are actually areas in your knowing that need balancing. Transmute the dark unto light.
Good advice. Like you I am learning. That's what it's all about anyhow. For me to ponder on the process of rendering Light for Dark is achieved is a journey in and of itself.
Thank-you for sharing your thoughts/truths as it has offered me the opportunity to explore and define mine.
Namaste
I think we have a misunderstanding in this
I_Am_The_One: I realize now to hate loathe and eradicate said darkness....
I finished this sentence with. Is the same way the dark sees the light.
I do not hate or loathe anything, I was merely talking about entities at certain awareness levels, points of view. Not mine.
RE: Understanding STO,STS, Densities - I_Am_The_One - 04-19-2015
(04-19-2015, 01:11 PM)I_Am_The_One Wrote:(04-19-2015, 11:33 AM)Enyiah Wrote:Quote:Minyatur : I think I view it like that because if you put everything as a whole acting as One then there is only one source of all and all wickedness and evil came from the very same source as light and love and fundamentally are the same. If there is truly something to blame, it is the exploration of many-ness which creates these experience to create knowledge and wisdom, rendering the Infinity intelligent.
I tend to disagree with the bolded statement. Wickedness and evil does not originate in God/Source/InfiniteLogos. This can be verified and proven and needs no defense. Therefore God/Source/InfiniteLogos is NOT bi-polar!
Quote:Minyatur: To
remove evil means to remove free will and to remove the desire of experiences which create a reality to exist in.
I do think it is hard to accept but it seems to me that all work that is done is always the evolution toward fully integrating the Law of One
I agree that we're on the same path of 'seeking' and 'evolution' and for me this is not how I am integrating the LOO. I would like to say more but am refraining from doing so in respect of your right to your freewill choices.
Quote:I_Am_The_One: I realize now to hate loathe and eradicate said darkness....
My only true power/service is Love. I do not waste this precious Life/Love energy on 'hating' or 'loathing'. I realize that there are persons/creatures in this world/universe who have used their choice of freewill to commit abominable acts in order to satisfy their own purpose/agenda.
If I were to 'follow' Minyatur's ideas of integrating the LOO, then I would be making allowance of equal footing for the 'light' and 'dark' within my being because his distortion of the LOO is telling me so. I understand why the idea of Choice is elusive for someone in the case.
Quote:I_Am_The_One : It is also a very helpful tool, when one realizes the areas the dark ones "attack." Are actually areas in your knowing that need balancing. Transmute the dark unto light.
Good advice. Like you I am learning. That's what it's all about anyhow. For me to ponder on the process of rendering Light for Dark is achieved is a journey in and of itself.
Thank-you for sharing your thoughts/truths as it has offered me the opportunity to explore and define mine.
Namaste
I think we have a misunderstanding in this
I_Am_The_One: I realize now to hate loathe and eradicate said darkness....
I finished this sentence with. Is the same way the dark sees the light.
I do not hate or loathe anything, I was merely talking about entities at certain awareness levels, points of view. Not mine. I would also agree we all have much to learn.
RE: Understanding STO,STS, Densities - I_Am_The_One - 04-19-2015
In know way did I mean, Minyutar or myself more "advanced." I dont, There are beings far more, and far less. It does not matter. We are all one. Please do not feel, that I meant it in this way. I see that my words do have an arrogance of "knowing" to them. I am very sorry, I will try and work on this in future post. I openly admit, I do not know hardly anything, and still growing and learning. Please excuse my seeming arrogance. If they do not resonate, let them fall away. Much Love to all.
P.s.-Reread my main post, from what you re-posted in response, a misunderstanding is apparent.
RE: Understanding STO,STS, Densities - Enyiah - 04-19-2015
Quote:I think we have a misunderstanding in this
I_Am_The_One: I realize now to hate loathe and eradicate said darkness....
I finished this sentence with. Is the same way the dark sees the light.
I do not hate or loathe anything, I was merely talking about entities at certain awareness levels, points of view. Not mine. I would also agree we all have much to learn.
No misunderstanding... I perceived this as intended for me, hence my response.
What is dark but the absence of light?
Quote:I_Am_The_One:
I finished this sentence with. Is the same way the dark sees the light.
The Light is Truth and a major interference to the dark, therein lies the cause of it's loathing.
RE: Understanding STO,STS, Densities - I_Am_The_One - 04-19-2015
(04-19-2015, 01:36 PM)Enyiah Wrote:Quote:I think we have a misunderstanding in this
I_Am_The_One: I realize now to hate loathe and eradicate said darkness....
I finished this sentence with. Is the same way the dark sees the light.
I do not hate or loathe anything, I was merely talking about entities at certain awareness levels, points of view. Not mine. I would also agree we all have much to learn.
No misunderstanding... I perceived this as intended for me, hence my response.
What is dark but the absence of light?
Quote:I_Am_The_One:
I finished this sentence with. Is the same way the dark sees the light.
The Light is Truth and a major interference to the dark, therein lies the cause of it's loathing.
I would agree with what you say here. The Light is the truth and the way. Darkness a distortion of Light. There is no separation in unity.
RE: Understanding STO,STS, Densities - Enyiah - 04-19-2015
Quote:I_Am_The_One:
In know way did I mean, Minyutar or myself more "advanced." I dont, There are beings far more, and far less. It does not matter. We are all one. Please do not feel, that I meant it in this way. I see that my words do have an arrogance of "knowing" to them. I am very sorry, I will try and work on this in future post. I openly admit, I do not know hardly anything, and still growing and learning. Please excuse my seeming arrogance. If they do not resonate, let them fall away. Much Love to all.
I can assure you that you are not being mis-interpreted. I do not judge your words or ascribe any 'arrogance' on your part. You are sharing your ideas and so am I. I am so glad for the opportunity to share ideas in this way. We are in no contest to prove right or wrong, we are explorers....exploring! Relax my friend.
RE: Understanding STO,STS, Densities - I_Am_The_One - 04-19-2015
(04-19-2015, 01:46 PM)Enyiah Wrote:Quote:I_Am_The_One:
In know way did I mean, Minyutar or myself more "advanced." I dont, There are beings far more, and far less. It does not matter. We are all one. Please do not feel, that I meant it in this way. I see that my words do have an arrogance of "knowing" to them. I am very sorry, I will try and work on this in future post. I openly admit, I do not know hardly anything, and still growing and learning. Please excuse my seeming arrogance. If they do not resonate, let them fall away. Much Love to all.
I can assure you that you are not being mis-interpreted. I do not judge your words or ascribe any 'arrogance' on your part. You are sharing your ideas and so am I. I am so glad for the opportunity to share ideas in this way. We are in no contest to prove right or wrong, we are explorers....exploring! Relax my friend.
ty much love enyiah!
RE: Understanding STO,STS, Densities - Minyatur - 04-19-2015
(04-19-2015, 11:33 AM)Enyiah Wrote:Quote:Minyatur : I think I view it like that because if you put everything as a whole acting as One then there is only one source of all and all wickedness and evil came from the very same source as light and love and fundamentally are the same. If there is truly something to blame, it is the exploration of many-ness which creates these experience to create knowledge and wisdom, rendering the Infinity intelligent.
I tend to disagree with the bolded statement. Wickedness and evil does not originate in God/Source/InfiniteLogos. This can be verified and proven and needs no defense. Therefore God/Source/InfiniteLogos is NOT bi-polar!
Does Ra not say that polarities are the illusion of duality of the one same thing? STS is serving your self which you are and STO is serving other-selves which you also are, the duality exists because those of each path are not consonant with each other. A STS oriented entity won't be well in a STO world just as a STO oriented entity won't be well in a STS world. But at some point they rejoin together in awareness and are seen as one. I do think Ra has a STO bias in his words but when he speaks of oneness, he is very clear on this.
Quote:I do not mind you to say more. My ideas come from the comtemplation of oneness and many-ness and it implies or mean for Creation or God to be perfect in itself. I am limited to my own ideas until they are confronted to the ideas of others that I may further understand or perceive a different truth altogether.Quote:Minyatur: To
remove evil means to remove free will and to remove the desire of experiences which create a reality to exist in.
I do think it is hard to accept but it seems to me that all work that is done is always the evolution toward fully integrating the Law of One
I agree that we're on the same path of 'seeking' and 'evolution' and for me this is not how I am integrating the LOO. I would like to say more but am refraining from doing so in respect of your right to your freewill choices.
Quote:Quote:I_Am_The_One: I realize now to hate loathe and eradicate said darkness....
My only true power/service is Love. I do not waste this precious Life/Love energy on 'hating' or 'loathing'. I realize that there are persons/creatures in this world/universe who have used their choice of freewill to commit abominable acts in order to satisfy their own purpose/agenda.
If I were to 'follow' Minyatur's ideas of integrating the LOO, then I would be making allowance of equal footing for the 'light' and 'dark' within my being because his distortion of the LOO is telling me so. I understand why the idea of Choice is elusive for someone in the case.
I would disagree that what I am trying to say does imply to elude choices. Even if you have both polarities on an equal footing, you are still making every single choices. The outcome of the choices do change unlike if they were only of one kind. Blending both is hard and it is even harder to judge what is needed by an other-self for his path. Not all do need light to advance. I do think we are here to understand the blending of both polarities and their respective role and importance in the perfect Creation. Afterall even if one rejects the STS path, is it not acknowledged by Intelligent Infinity Itself? Whether you serve self or other-self, you are serving self of the One. Some are agents of order and others are agents of disorder and the blending of both creates many-ness to be explored.
RE: Understanding STO,STS, Densities - anagogy - 04-19-2015
(04-19-2015, 03:41 PM)Minyatur Wrote: I would disagree that what I am trying to say does imply to elude choices. Even if you have both polarities on an equal footing, you are still making every single choices. The outcome of the choices do change unlike if they were only of one kind. Blending both is hard and it is even harder to judge what is needed by an other-self for his path. Not all do need light to advance. I do think we are here to understand the blending of both polarities and their respective role and importance in the perfect Creation. Afterall even if one rejects the STS path, is it not acknowledged by Intelligent Infinity Itself? Whether you serve self or other-self, you are serving self of the One. Some are agents of order and others are agents of disorder and the blending of both creates many-ness to be explored.
Personally, I don't believe it is possible to "blend the polarities". At least, not till 6th density.
That is why this is the "density of choice". Because you can't progress beyond it, without making the choice between positive or negative. The whole reason there even is a choice in the first place is because we are in an illusion of duality. We are still privy to the illusion that there are, in fact, "other selves". You have a seemingly real division, or identity, apart from other selves in the cosmos. So, in every moment, you have to choose how you relate to said other selves. You can either be positive towards them or negative towards them. You can either blend yourself with other-selves, in cooperative harmony with the greater whole, or attempt to pull others into your self by subjugation, by putting "things in order" (decided by the self). Radiate or absorb. There is no middle ground, otherwise you are not progressing toward unity, but rather, simply existing in the "sinkhole of indifference".
Many people think it is wrong to equate STO with "good" and STS with "evil", but I emphatically disagree. Granted, the terms "good" and "evil" are imprecise, but I think they do, accurately, capture the general spirit of the aforementioned polarities. Someone who serves self at the expense of others is evil, and someone who serves others for the benefit of the whole is good. The main inaccuracy, from my point of view, is the notion, espoused by many seeming religious "authorities", that the creator frowns upon the choice of "evil". It doesn't care, or mind at the choice at all. The Law of One blinks neither at the darkness, nor at the light.
Both are valid choices of serving the One.
Every time you relate to other selves, the choice presents itself in every subtle interaction. The only reason polarity is transcended in sixth density is because other selves are no longer seen as other selves. Hence, there is no "choice" about how you relate to them, it becomes a simple matter of universal harmonics. And in the absence of separation, negativity is no longer possible. Positivity is the default state, but in the absence of negativity, you can't really even define it as such. It is just unity. But when all selves are seen as one self, serving self, and serving others comes to mean precisely the same thing.
RE: Understanding STO,STS, Densities - I_Am_The_One - 04-19-2015
(04-19-2015, 05:14 PM)anagogy Wrote:(04-19-2015, 03:41 PM)Minyatur Wrote: I would disagree that what I am trying to say does imply to elude choices. Even if you have both polarities on an equal footing, you are still making every single choices. The outcome of the choices do change unlike if they were only of one kind. Blending both is hard and it is even harder to judge what is needed by an other-self for his path. Not all do need light to advance. I do think we are here to understand the blending of both polarities and their respective role and importance in the perfect Creation. Afterall even if one rejects the STS path, is it not acknowledged by Intelligent Infinity Itself? Whether you serve self or other-self, you are serving self of the One. Some are agents of order and others are agents of disorder and the blending of both creates many-ness to be explored.
Personally, I don't believe it is possible to "blend the polarities". At least, not till 6th density.
That is why this is the "density of choice". Because you can't progress beyond it, without making the choice between positive or negative. The whole reason there even is a choice in the first place is because we are in an illusion of duality. We are still privy to the illusion that there are, in fact, "other selves". You have a seemingly real division, or identity, apart from other selves in the cosmos. So, in every moment, you have to choose how you relate to said other selves. You can either be positive towards them or negative towards them. You can either blend yourself with other-selves, in cooperative harmony with the greater whole, or attempt to pull others into your self by subjugation, by putting "things in order" (decided by the self). Radiate or absorb. There is no middle ground, otherwise you are not progressing toward unity, but rather, simply existing in the "sinkhole of indifference".
Many people think it is wrong to equate STO with "good" and STS with "evil", but I emphatically disagree. Granted, the terms "good" and "evil" are imprecise, but I think they do, accurately, capture the general spirit of the aforementioned polarities. Someone who serves self at the expense of others is evil, and someone who serves others for the benefit of the whole is good. The main inaccuracy, from my point of view, is the notion, espoused by many seeming religious "authorities", that the creator frowns upon the choice of "evil". It doesn't care, or mind at the choice at all. The Law of One blinks neither at the darkness, nor at the light.
Both are valid choices of serving the One.
Every time you relate to other selves, the choice presents itself in every subtle interaction. The only reason polarity is transcended in sixth density is because other selves are no longer seen as other selves. Hence, there is no "choice" about how you relate to them, it becomes a simple matter of universal harmonics. And in the absence of separation, negativity is no longer possible. Positivity is the default state, but in the absence of negativity, you can't really even define it as such. It is just unity. But when all selves are seen as one self, serving self, and serving others comes to mean precisely the same thing.
I would just say that the universe is an open place, and no rule set in cement. I do believe it possible to transcend this choice. Thats just opinion though. Very nice points made though anagogy. I would agree that you have a good outline on 3rd density for sure. Beyond the antics of good and evil, great over-view.
RE: Understanding STO,STS, Densities - Minyatur - 04-19-2015
@analogy
Unless you polarize a 100% positive are you not always a blending of both?
I would disagree that when transcended, only STO remain. Polarities are about self because how you act not only polarize others but also polarize self. It's always about how you want to be, both polarities go with different developed desires. 7D awareness provides what is needed and not what is wished to be given. Does not the Earth resist mankind at different times? Do we not witness catalyst of disorder such as earthquakes and many other things done to balance mankind. A 6D STO complex would wish to only provide accomodance but in the cosmos 7D gives what is needed whether it is by providing or taking.
RE: Understanding STO,STS, Densities - anagogy - 04-19-2015
(04-19-2015, 07:31 PM)Minyatur Wrote: @analogy
Unless you polarize a 100% positive are you not always a blending of both?
Yes, until sixth density. But to progress you have to lean in one direction or the other.
To become total service to self, or total service to others would be to transcend duality altogether and become absolute unity again. However, that final jump is not possible in negative polarity, which is why sixth density negative social memory complexes choose to instantaneously switch to positive.
(04-19-2015, 07:31 PM)Minyatur Wrote: I would disagree that when transcended, only STO remain. Polarities are about self because how you act not only polarize others but also polarize self. It's always about how you want to be, both polarities go with different developed desires. 7D awareness provides what is needed and not what is wished to be given. Does not the Earth resist mankind at different times? Do we not witness catalyst of disorder such as earthquakes and many other things done to balance mankind. A 6D STO complex would wish to only provide accomodance but in the cosmos 7D gives what is needed whether it is by providing or taking.
The following Ra quote explains why negativity eventually becomes a dead end:
Quote:36.15 Questioner: Well, then let’s say that when Himmler, for instance, reaches sixth-density negative at the beginnings of sixth-density negative, at this time would it be [the] case that an entity would realize that his higher self is sixth-density positively oriented and for that reason make the jump from negative to positive orientation?
Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The sixth-density negative entity is extremely wise. It observes the spiritual entropy occurring due to the lack of ability to express the unity of sixth density. Thus, loving the Creator and realizing at some point that the Creator is not only self but other-self as self, this entity consciously chooses an instantaneous energy reorientation so that it may continue its evolution.
As I said, when there is no negative, there is no positive either, because the poles are defined by their opposites.
So when I say that unity is essentially positive, I just mean that there is no more separation. There is no more potentiation of "that which is not" yet there is still potentiation of "that which is", which is what positivity, or service to others, is essentially based around.
RE: Understanding STO,STS, Densities - Minyatur - 04-19-2015
(04-19-2015, 07:46 PM)anagogy Wrote:(04-19-2015, 07:31 PM)Minyatur Wrote: @analogy
Unless you polarize a 100% positive are you not always a blending of both?
Yes, until sixth density. But to progress you have to lean in one direction or the other.
To become total service to self, or total service to others would be to transcend duality altogether and become absolute unity again. However, that final jump is not possible in negative polarity, which is why sixth density negative social memory complexes choose to instantaneously switch to positive.
(04-19-2015, 07:31 PM)Minyatur Wrote: I would disagree that when transcended, only STO remain. Polarities are about self because how you act not only polarize others but also polarize self. It's always about how you want to be, both polarities go with different developed desires. 7D awareness provides what is needed and not what is wished to be given. Does not the Earth resist mankind at different times? Do we not witness catalyst of disorder such as earthquakes and many other things done to balance mankind. A 6D STO complex would wish to only provide accomodance but in the cosmos 7D gives what is needed whether it is by providing or taking.
The following Ra quote explains why negativity eventually becomes a dead end:
Quote:36.15 Questioner: Well, then let’s say that when Himmler, for instance, reaches sixth-density negative at the beginnings of sixth-density negative, at this time would it be [the] case that an entity would realize that his higher self is sixth-density positively oriented and for that reason make the jump from negative to positive orientation?
Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The sixth-density negative entity is extremely wise. It observes the spiritual entropy occurring due to the lack of ability to express the unity of sixth density. Thus, loving the Creator and realizing at some point that the Creator is not only self but other-self as self, this entity consciously chooses an instantaneous energy reorientation so that it may continue its evolution.
As I said, when there is no negative, there is no positive either, because the poles are defined by their opposites.
So when I say that unity is essentially positive, I just mean that there is no more separation. There is no more potentiation of "that which is not" yet there is still potentiation of "that which is", which is what positivity, or service to others, is essentially based around.
Service to self is equally based on it through a different pole.
I'm pretty sure a negative entity could say : "An entity of the service to others path cannot progress to the seventh density without incomporating to itself the negative wisdom. For the without it unity and the All cannot be understood fully."
RE: Understanding STO,STS, Densities - Minyatur - 04-19-2015
How do you interpret this quote.
Quote:1.7 Questioner: [The question was lost because the questioner was sitting too far from the tape recorder to be recorded.]
Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, that the universe is infinite. This has yet to be proven or disproven, but we can assure you that there is no end to your selves, your understanding, what you would call your journey of seeking, or your perceptions of the creation.
That which is infinite cannot be many, for many-ness is a finite concept. To have infinity you must identify or define that infinity as unity; otherwise, the term does not have any referent or meaning. In an Infinite Creator there is only unity. You have seen simple examples of unity. You have seen the prism which shows all colors stemming from the sunlight. This is a simplistic example of unity.
In truth there is no right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time. This distortion is not in any case necessary. It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things. You are not speaking of similar or somewhat like entities or things. You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One.
May we enunciate this law in more detail?
RE: Understanding STO,STS, Densities - Stranger - 04-19-2015
The funny thing about this quote is that it enunciates precisely the understanding that STO has and works towards: all is one, all others are Self, there is no separation. In contrast, STS pretends that is not the case, thinks that they can benefit self at expense of another. At one point, as both Ra and anagogy point out, that pretense stops being tenable because you cannot merge your (individuated) self into the Whole unless you are willing to recognize that the separation was illusory to begin with. Therefore STS has to grudgingly quit its entire game in order to embrace the perfect oneness that is ever the true state of things under the surface of illusion.
STO is defined by embracing the All, STS by intentionally using the other for personal gain. Again, STS is logically incompatible with oneness. Clinging to the pretense that there are other-selves to be exploited is inherently dualistic; as long as any hint of that remains, oneness cannot be realized by an entity. There is simply no matching barrier for STO which already embraces oneness in increasing degrees as it progresses through the densities.
Perhaps the confusion with the view I've seen expressed here can be clarified by recognizing that there are two levels of being to consider: the Eternal Truth of oneness without separation on the one hand, and the conceptual, ultimately thought-form stages of evolution which we call densities on the other hand. Separation is a concept within the mind of the One Inseparable Being; absolute harmony - ultimate harmony beyond harmony, which is oneness - is its nature. These two levels are very different from each other, and recognizing this will explain why STS exists in illusion only, and therefore must ultimately fall away; while STO describes the True State of Being, reflected within the illusion.
Any degree of apparent separation is ultimately a pretense by the Inseparable One; we as the players are placed in a position of pretending that it's real and playing out our roles. However, the game is always about returning to the true state of being, or oneness. It is not about accepting the illusory as real. In spiritual evolution, illusions of all kinds are transcended and gradually discarded, and the oneness of the consciousness of being, which is the truth concealed within all illusion, is embraced. STS is a path whose concepts have no correspondence in the reality of the One Consciousness, but are rather toyed with for a while as, shall we say, an intellectual exercise.
As an analogy to STS, consider the physical body - another temporary and illusory artifact of creation. It exists in concept within Infinite Consciousness, and as a concept is toyed with and explored; but there is no physical body in the True Reality of being in which the Infinite Consciousness dwells. Therefore - and here's the key - spiritual evolution does not consist of or require seeing the physical body as being equally real as the Creator-consciousness within. It isn't. Similarly, the STS path is a temporary conceptual exploration of a being whose true state excludes any disharmony whatsoever; and the absolute harmony and love of every bit of the one for the whole is what characterizes the STO path. Within the illusion, the STO embraces and lives according to the truth that exists outside of illusion. Hence it is called the path of That Which Is. It embraces the Oneness and Holiness within the apparent STS, while recognizing that STS has no existence in the reality of the infinite consciousness, but is a concept and a thought created by it to explore, just as physicality is a concept and a thought created by it to explore, from within, shall we say, its comfortable armchair of absolute blissful and inseparable oneness.
I am sorry if this isn't as clear as I was hoping to be able to express it, but, essentially...
TL;DR - what anagogy said.
RE: Understanding STO,STS, Densities - Minyatur - 04-20-2015
I doubt higher density negative do not understand the All as they are equally close to Intelligent Infinity as a same level STO entity would be. Denying STS is rejecting part of the All as you are every STS entity that needs for themselves to be such way and experience what they do. STS works for the All in the exploration of many-ness on an equal footing with STO. To want STS entities to not be STS is STS in itself, you are denying the right to be of other entities for what is alike you only.
STO is also a temporary illusion and artifact of creation just as STS is. There is no self to priorize as there are no other-selves to accomodate. There is the All exploring and interacting with Itself, becoming Intelligent. Everything has happened in the source. The source that creates All is the product of this very All. This octave is the exploration of the duality of STS and STO that arise by the illusion of self confronted to other-selves.
Whatever the entity, whatever the polarity, whatever the deeds, there is only the Creator.
RE: Understanding STO,STS, Densities - Stranger - 04-20-2015
(04-20-2015, 12:26 AM)Minyatur Wrote: I doubt higher density negative do not understand the AllYou are right Minyatur - in fact Ra says that beyond 3rd density STS discover that all is one, but choose to continue acting as if that were not true. Understanding and putting into practice are different things. There is no conflict within the One, so as long as STS entities create conflict and relate to others with antagonism, they are negating the Truth of Oneness with their actions, regardless of their understanding.
Quote:as they are equally close to Intelligent Infinity as a same level STO entity would be.Yes, that is true, until late in 6th density where the STS cannot come any closer, because there is no conflict or possibility of conflict at the higher levels.
Quote:Denying STS is rejecting part of the All as you are every STS entity that needs for themselves to be such way and experience what they do.I agree with you, and therefore the STO neither denies nor rejects STS because it recognizes that truth.
Quote:STS works for the All in the exploration of many-ness on an equal footing with STO.I agree with you here also. Both serve the same function of creating diversity of experience; but only STO's experience corresponds to the reality outside of illusion.
Quote:To want STS entities to not be STS is STS in itself,Not necessarily, Minyatur. Any untransformed negative emotion toward STS (or anything else for that matter) is indeed STS. However, one can discuss the truth and falsity of claims without negative emotion, and with a loving acceptance of the One Consciousness experiencing both paths. Doing so is STO.
Quote:you are denying the right to be of other entities for what is alike you only.I'm assuming you don't mean *me personally* but rather mean "you" as a rhetorical device, since I have not indicated any wish to deny entities any rights. Again, it is possible to examine the truth and falseness of claims without denying anything to any entity.
Quote:STO is also a temporary illusion and artifact of creation just as STS is. There is no self to priorize as there are no other-selves to accomodate. There is the All exploring and interacting with ItselfCorrect, but let's note that here you are talking about the level of ultimate reality, which is Oneness.
Quote:, becoming Intelligent. Everything has happened in the source.It's vital to distinguish between Oneness (the Truth that transcends illusion) and Illusion (the concepts or thoughts that exist in the mind of the One Indivisible Being; these thoughts are what we experience as reality).
The Source is not becoming intelligent as a consequence of its creation. It is intelligent. When Ra calls it "Intelligent infinity" they are including "intelligent" as an inherent, defining property of the One Creator. Even prior to any creation, the Creator is an intelligent consciousness with infinite potential.
It is very important not to confuse the Creator - the one singular consciousness - with the creation, which consists of concepts in the Creator's mind. They are not identical. regardless of what's in the Creator's mind, the Creator remains unchanged in its nature, with no division or separation, harmonious blissful and whole.
Quote:The source that creates All is the product of this very All.Again, I want to point out the same conflation of the two levels here - the Creator does not consist of the Creation and is not the product of it. The Creator is not evolving. It is exploring. Evolution is a series of concepts it came up with and decided to think about because it would produce experience.
In the same way that if Miyatur were to think, "what if I were a purple unicorn? What would my life be like? What would I do?" and were then to decide to close his eyes and imagine it very vividly, afterwards Minyatur would still be Minyatur with a much better conceptual understanding of what purple unicorns might be like if they existed, but would still not be a purple unicorn. The Creator remains unchanged in its essence whatever the contents of its consciousness might be.
Confusing these two levels (the Creator's actual existence vs. the Creator's thoughts or creations) might lead one to conclude that "STS" or "physical bodies" or "income taxes" are somehow actually part of what defines the Creator, part of reality - and therefore should be equally honored as the Creator itself. But they are only thoughts, not essence. That is why negating the ultimate reality of STS or the ultimate reality of STO does not constitute negating any part of the Creator or his Oneness or Truth. Transcending the illusion of many-ness that is both STS and STO while recognizing and honoring the truth of oneness and harmony (as STO does) corresponds to reality.
Outside the Creation (i.e., in Creator's reality rather than Creator's thoughts) the Creator is in perfect harmony within Itself. Within the illusion, that harmony and wholeness unmarred by any conflict is captured by the idea of STO, where the Creator's many pretend-parts attempt to find absolute acceptance and love for one another, and seek ever-increasing harmony and unity. Yes, STO/Oneness/Harmony is also a concept in the Creator's mind and therefore an illusion, but unlike STS/Division/Antagonism it is a thought that more accurately represents the truth of the Creator's absolutely harmonious existence within itself.
A helpful chart:
Truth (Creator's Actual Essence): Ultimate Harmony; Oneness
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Illusion (Creator's thoughts): STO: STS:
Attempts to reach, regain Ultimate Harmony and Oneness Attempts to negate, destroy Harmony and Oneness
from within the illusion of many-ness from within the illusion of many-ness
Quote:This octave is the exploration of the duality of STS and STO that arise by the illusion of self confronted to other-selves. Whatever the entity, whatever the polarity, whatever the deeds, there is only the Creator.Again, agreed!
RE: Understanding STO,STS, Densities - Minyatur - 04-20-2015
I do agree with pretty much everything you said except that STO is more consonant with the ultimate reality. This duality is something of this octave. Ra said the previous octave had a duality about being the mover or being the moved (just a particles thing). The STO/STS duality is a very small part of infinity and upon which only lies the foundation of the next octave which is also just one cornerstone of infinite other octaves. Ra said that both polarities are to be reconcilied, I do think that is equally true for each of them. STS entities think that STO entities are fools and STO entities do think STS entities also are fools. In truth there are only fools to begin with, both party satisfying their own desires through the duality of existence. Self and other-self are both part of the whole, they can both be equally priorized as working for the whole.
When speaking of STS entities, if one perceives evil then it is misunderstanding them. There is no one whose source is not ultimate love. Many-ness can distort this love and hurt souls very deeply but these distortions are still a direct byproduct of love. The STO polarity has no power to accomodate those of the STS path unless they themselves repolarize of their own will. They would not be in harmony with it if they did not.
Other than that I have a strong belief the inevitable change of polarity in 6D from negative to positive is more apparent in the seeming because STS is very uncooperative and focused on self. When that is transcended, the entity will develop a wish to share what it gained from it's self-oriented evolution for the All. In a 6D positive entity, I do think something alike must happen for it to transcend to the next density. Understanding that it's path alone in the exploration of many-ness is lacking and thus perceiving the constant perfection of creation. Logos do not fight against reality, 3D-6D does the fighting among itself and Logos do react to the polarization that emerges to provide what is needed whether it is a good harvest or an earthquake.
I do think the STS path is deeply misunderstood and can only have pure light and love at it's core, else it wouldn't emerge from the very same source as STO. It's role is that of veiling awareness of this light which is still ever present.
When I use "you", it is in the general sense. I've been trying to notice when I'm doing that and to stop doing it.
RE: Understanding STO,STS, Densities - I_Am_The_One - 04-20-2015
Other than that I have a strong belief the inevitable change of polarity in 6D from negative to positive is more apparent in the seeming because STS is very uncooperative and focused on self. When that is transcended, the entity will develop a wish to share what it gained from it's self-oriented evolution for the All. In a 6D positive entity, I do think something alike must happen for it to transcend to the next density. Understanding that it's path alone in the exploration of many-ness is lacking and thus perceiving the constant perfection of creation.
This rung with great truth to me. All are one The Dark is Light. There is only the CREATOR.