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RE: The difference between blue ray and green ray. - native - 12-12-2015
(12-12-2015, 07:36 AM)Verum Occultum Wrote: I think he means the blue ray density contains more of a contemplative orientation wherein the focus of self and other self is tipped more towards the self.
That's a large part of it. Also, wisdom frees us up from feeling like certain behaviors and "attitudes" as Ra puts it, are necessary. So we take on more self-love..at least that's how I see it. Yet self-love also has to do with indigo..so things start blurring for me when trying to break down the centers.
RE: The difference between blue ray and green ray. - native - 12-12-2015
(12-12-2015, 07:25 AM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: You are intensifying in 5th density. That doesn't sound like rest.
Ha..that's true. I searched for "intensifying" to see what they could mean by it. They seem to describe it as a building up or focusing of energy. I think what you say has merit..the form and manner of service might change, but that transformation requires greater and greater responsibility in a different manner. Energy seems to just shift around.
RE: The difference between blue ray and green ray. - Infinite Unity - 12-07-2018
To me activating or conciously interacting and activly energizing and using the blue ray, with the lower triad in conjunction. Is energizing the ego(yellow-orange) and causes the thoughform distortions of the individuals to become very impressive, in energy exchange sense. In that the ability of the individual to impress into other selves yellow and orange ray to such an extent that it can take on mind control type abstracts. Ra does go over this impression of the lower rays briefly.
There are of course systems that are strong enough in the lower triad to resist this type of impression. An individual vibrating higher than yellow will also not be impressed on in the same way. The individual vibrating higher than yellow can be destabilized enough, that there vibratory spectrum can be impressed upon.
To me no ray is completely distinguishable from any of the others. As one increases vibration and there nexus of being changes, it seems the new energy/emotion/thoughts still contain or built upon the previous Spector. Like green ray still being sexual,saturation/desire(fulfilled-being fufilled) balanced ego/pride, all mixed end and topped off with love, or is love.
Now blue ray to me is all I stated above and previously, mixed in with (honesty/truth) purity, and or a better regulated energy exchange(structure).
RE: The difference between blue ray and green ray. - GentleReckoning - 12-08-2018
(12-11-2015, 01:33 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: Nowadays, I would use communion as best descriptor for green ray activity/seeking. Communion is something more general and encompassing than relationships; which is more a yellow-ray bonding type of function. Communion is about being able to be with the heart of someone, no matter where they are at on their journey, or what joys or difficulties they are experiencing. True communion sometimes needs words; a lot of the time it doesn't. Communion also doesn't distinguish between someone you have met for the first time, or someone who has been a family member your whole life. You can be with them because soul essence does not really need to distinguish age or familiarity; there is a recognition of the 'sameness' between you and I, despite the many outward indicators that can measure things on a scale that seemingly lend itself to difference and separation.
I would add to your definition, and perhaps simplify it just a bit. The general gist of your answer here dovetails with mine.
Acceptance is pretty big for the green ray. If there is little acceptance, there is little work in the yellow or blue energy centers. If there is great acceptance, then there is potential for work in the blue and yellow. This coloring the type and depth of connections and communion possible between an entity and others. Then there is the strength of boundaries as well, this refining the filter to a great extent as the entity begins to fine tune it's seeking relative to it's environment.
RE: The difference between blue ray and green ray. - flofrog - 12-08-2018
(12-11-2015, 06:39 PM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: @anagogy
I think a further point of clarification is in looking at two types of contrasts that presented itself in the Ra Material. What I'm referencing is the so-called love/wisdom balance which came up in the context of 4th and 5th chakra activity, and then in the context of the kundalini (raising the focal point of perspective), the 4th ray was termed "universal love", and 5th ray was termed "free communication".
I think one has to be careful not to conflate the two contrasts, as the terms that Ra used were specific, and in my mind, differentiating.
The kundalini itself is not that well understood or explained in my opinion. The kundalini as the focal point of perspective is like how far one has climbed up Mount Fuji. If one has climbed 1/7 of the way, one has finally got over the 'survival' perspective, and is now able to look down from the mountain and see 1/7 th of the way down. And likewise, with the raising of the kundalini to green or blue, you are looking down on your life experience (the same life experience), but with a different vantage point. The higher up you go, the more you can see of the 'bigger picture', and how everything interconnects. Rather than observing one stream of water, or another, from a lower perspective, higher up, you can see how they may be all running into each other, or have a common source. When you finally get to the peak of the mountain, absolutely everything can be seen as one vista, and one whole. The separate trees that you saw from early on in the climb are now part of a vast common ecosystem. It all relies on each other; there really are no 'separate' pieces. That's true and full enlightenment.
I think when people here in 3d are referencing 5th chakra activity as honesty/communication, they are really bypassing the wisdom aspect of this energy centre. Almost as an excuse to say blunt things.
I can say pretty much without-a-doubt that individuals who have been associated with this 'blunt honesty' actually were operating from the heart centre, rather than the wisdom center. You can see the lack of wisdom in the results that eventuated.
thank you Plenum. This is so helping. I feel I never quite grasp the kundalini. Many years ago I had a small initiation for Kriya Yoga meditation. You usually do a few small physical exercises before sitting and meditating. This is what YOgananda used to do faithfully of course, but the message was that you use this, just before meditation, not as a tool otherwise. So, I always stayed away from delving into kundalini, and when I read what you posted, it makes so much sense of it all.
RE: The difference between blue ray and green ray. - Infinite Unity - 12-08-2018
The unactivated or unconscious aspects of being are exhibited in the rays. The unactivated rays will be at an interwoven inverse of the consciously used rays. In other words the enitre spectrum is always at play, in some way.
I would agree that green Ray is largely effected by accepting. Throughout ones life, and moments, it would seem your accepting or in need of acceptance of great many things. However just as all choices are a substrate of The Choice. It's comes down to accepting your the only One.
That's why benevolent servants of The Creator respect free will. The real and only fact, is One.
RE: The difference between blue ray and green ray. - Highrculling - 04-02-2019
(12-11-2015, 05:54 PM)anagogy Wrote: I find it helpful to refresh my perspectives on the rays every now and then and see if I can get alternate perspectives from other people. Sometimes it fills in gaps in my perspective.
Yep. I think this blue ray/green ray discussion is a very valid direction to explore. We know the STS path does not freely utilize blue ray, so it is our Privilege and great Strength, as positively oriented entities, to exchange blue ray. It is my understanding that the STS path is very antagonistic/exclusive, it's more about disabling other selves and staying on top. Whereas the STO path is about radiance of being/inclusive, mutually strengthening and enabling other selves. And the blue ray, in my opinion, is an irreplaceable means in achieving that group dynamic. The potential is huge. There is practically no downside in it. The only question would be "How far can I go about it?"
This is a topic I have been pondering on and off for a while now, so I'll just throw in a few points I've come up with so far and see what happens.
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1、(I believe that) the blue ray is interconnected/coupled with the green ray, and a person's blue ray skill cap or intensity ceiling is only as high as its green ray's counterpart. That said, the blue ray is still a valuable addition to green ray, because it caters/incorporates/utilizes the conscious mind. It promotes the reasoning aspect, or "the head".
quote/This instrument has often said that the longest distance in spiritual work is the fourteen inches from head to heart./unquote 20051015
This statement is kind of solid. In terms of 3rd density graduation and harvest, you don't need to bother too much with the head,
quote/It is to be noted that it is not necessary, in order to be of service to others and to graduate from third density, for the higher rays to be used in order to access the gateway to intelligent infinity. Simple, straightforward, unconditional love and the energies of forgiveness and compassion shall carry any seeker through graduation with flying colors. That is far more than enough to use in order to penetrate those energies that move one into higher light./unquote 20080510
because the head could be nasty and demanding sometimes(if not all the time), and there are so much temptations and curiosities out there. So it's a wise move to exercise some headily temperance, at first, to cut down some headily feed/data, and focus on what feels right, in order to move into the heart and stay there. This is already quite some work, and there's always the moment to moment problem of sliding back. Why? Because the head(and maybe the mind) is pervasive. Before, the head usually feels oblivious, if not desperate. With green ray it becomes viable again.
Therefor, at this point with the help of green ray, if someone would double back and go through the trouble to sort it out and make a tidy tool out of it, the extra gain would probably be worth the effort. With the head on board, there will be peace between head and heart, and the metaphysical could connect with the physical(more or less). Not only something feels right, the reasoning aspect also stands. The person on the whole will be more steady and balanced. The executive will will also be sharpened.
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2、I think compared to green ray, the blue ray is actively out going. It's where the interconnectedness is at between positively polarized peoples. Green ray concerns about behavior of the self,
quote/The green-ray entity is ineffectual in the face of blockage from other-selves. The blue-ray entity is a co-Creator./unquote 41.25
it could hold its own ground but unable to "go on the offensive", whereas blue ray,
quote/radiation without the necessity of response begins with blue ray although/unquote 54.31
by its very nature always stays on the offensive end.
quote/We of Ra approach this instrument in narrow-band contact through violet ray. Others might pierce down through this ray to any energy center. We, for instance, make great use of this instrument’s blue-ray energy center as we are attempting to communicate our distortion/understandings of the Law of One./unquote 72.17
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3、Also, the blue ray to a large extent revolves around the concept of mind/body/spirit complex, especially the spirit complex(both the complex itself, and the concept).
quote/When green ray has been activated we find the third primary ray being able to begin potentiation. This is the first true spiritual ray in that all transfers are of an integrated mind/body/spirit nature. The blue ray seats the learning/teachings of the spirit in each density within the mind/body complex, animating the whole, communicating to others this entirety of beingness./unquote 39.10
This is where high density wanderers may unload "the dark s***" into the 3rd density. This is where wanderers are free to be themselves. Otherwise they will feel muffled and unhappy. So, blue ray FTW!
/"Ra: The first giving beyond green ray is the giving of acceptance or freedom, thus allowing the recipient of blue-ray energy transfer the opportunity for a feeling of being accepted, thus freeing that other-self to express itself to the giver of this ray."/ 32.5
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That's it for me for now. I might report again when I have more stuff.
RE: The difference between blue ray and green ray. - AnthroHeart - 04-02-2019
Well, I don't know if I can add any more, but in the blue-ray plane, thoughts are things. So you don't rely on language any longer.
Telepathic communication is concept-driven.
RE: The difference between blue ray and green ray. - Stranger - 04-02-2019
Quote:"Ra: The first giving beyond green ray is the giving of acceptance or freedom, thus allowing the recipient of blue-ray energy transfer the opportunity for a feeling of being accepted, thus freeing that other-self to express itself to the giver of this ray." 32.5That is an interesting quote. It implies that green-ray unconditional love does not inherently include acceptance of the other entity, or granting them the freedom to be themselves. I had always assumed these were already a part of green ray unconditional love.
RE: The difference between blue ray and green ray. - Minyatur - 04-02-2019
(04-02-2019, 07:55 AM)Stranger Wrote:Quote:"Ra: The first giving beyond green ray is the giving of acceptance or freedom, thus allowing the recipient of blue-ray energy transfer the opportunity for a feeling of being accepted, thus freeing that other-self to express itself to the giver of this ray." 32.5That is an interesting quote. It implies that green-ray unconditional love does not inherently include acceptance of the other entity, or granting them the freedom to be themselves. I had always assumed these were already a part of green ray unconditional love.
It does inherently include acceptance, the keywords here being "the giving of".
The previous sentence in the quote, that was left out, also hints the same: "The green ray may then be turned outward, the entity then giving rather than receiving."
RE: The difference between blue ray and green ray. - kristina - 04-12-2019
(04-02-2019, 07:55 AM)Stranger Wrote:Quote:"Ra: The first giving beyond green ray is the giving of acceptance or freedom, thus allowing the recipient of blue-ray energy transfer the opportunity for a feeling of being accepted, thus freeing that other-self to express itself to the giver of this ray." 32.5That is an interesting quote. It implies that green-ray unconditional love does not inherently include acceptance of the other entity, or granting them the freedom to be themselves. I had always assumed these were already a part of green ray unconditional love.
I disagree. Unconditional love is acceptance, 100% acceptance without judgement
RE: The difference between blue ray and green ray. - flofrog - 04-12-2019
Kristina this is interesting, what part do you disagree on ??
RE: The difference between blue ray and green ray. - EvolvingPhoenix - 04-12-2019
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RE: The difference between blue ray and green ray. - anagogy - 04-12-2019
I think part of the confusion about the difference in the depth of acceptance level between green and blue ray is that in blue ray there is a, more or less, complete awareness of what is being accepted, whereas with green ray, there is unconditional love, but not necessarily a complete and total awareness of the attributes being accepted.
It is unconditional, so from green rays perspective it is not concerned about the details so much as the relative importance placed upon the compassion/empathy being offered. "Free love".
Blue ray, on the other hand, involves complete awareness of what is being accepted (the details). That is what free communication is -- a lack of distortion in what is being communed. Having fully accepted what is, free expression is thereby facilitated. It would be like if somebody knew you inside and out, you could be your true self around them without any fear of them rejecting you, because they have already accepted all your foibles and whims.
Now a green ray entity is likely not going to reject someone either, as that would likely block green ray, but the focus isn't so much on clear and undistorted communication, but rather empathy with the other self. In blue ray there is no fear of rejection due to expression. In green ray there could still be a reluctance to express, even though unconditional love is present.
RE: The difference between blue ray and green ray. - Vestige - 10-23-2021
(12-12-2015, 12:54 AM)anagogy Wrote:(12-11-2015, 07:21 PM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: Perhaps it might be useful to try and unpack what 'freely given communication' could possibly be.
It would seem that what "frees up" communication so to speak is the complete acceptance of self and complete acceptance of other self.
"Ra: The first giving beyond green ray is the giving of acceptance or freedom, thus allowing the recipient of blue-ray energy transfer the opportunity for a feeling of being accepted, thus freeing that other-self to express itself to the giver of this ray."
In the light of this quote, it makes it apparent blue ray is not just objectivity, honesty, or clarity, but rather, pure acceptance of what is observed without judgment as well. But then, how would an STS being utilize blue ray? It would seem acceptance of other selves would be as much a miasma to the negative polarity as empathy with other selves is. Perhaps this is another ray that is not poured outwards towards others, similar to green ray, and simply reserved and directed towards the self in the case of service to self polarization.
But then, I suppose Ra did say that blue ray and green ray were both missing from the STS vibratory schedules.
"Ra: The vibratory rates are not to be understood as the same in positive and negative orientations. They are to be understood as having the power to accept and work with intelligent infinity to a certain degree or intensity. Due to the fact that the primary color, shall we say, or energy blue is missing from the negatively oriented system of power, the green/blue vibratory energies are not seen in the vibratory schedules or patterns of negative fourth and fifth rates of vibration.
The positive, upon the other hand, shall we say, has the full spectrum of true-color time/space vibratory patterns and thus contains a variant vibratory pattern or schedule. Each is capable of doing fourth-density work. This is the criterion for harvest."
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Does a negative entity lose the blue ray only in 4D-on? Or is the faculty and lack thereof a possible indirect measure of polarity in 3D?
If green ray accepts without complete understanding, and blue ray fills in those details ... Can new understanding ever shake the 5D positive out of the positive polarity?
RE: The difference between blue ray and green ray. - IndigoSalvia - 10-24-2021
The OP and responses got me to thinking about my own concepts of the two energies. Thank you to all who have shared their own concepts ... gives me much to contemplate.
If my novice understanding could use some refining, I welcome others' insights. Briefly:
Green - open-hearted compassion for, understanding and acceptance of self and other-selves; this is the Love in L/L
Blue - expressed acceptance of self and other-selves (in action, so to speak); the use of wisdom, discretion, and judgment to channel green ray energy to oneself and other-selves in all manners of expression: listening, speaking, behaving, etc.; this is the Light in L/L
I see green as Love (in all of its many forms) and blue as Light: wise expression, manifestation of green ray Love. Green being the foundation, and Blue being the expression. Like the Logos' Love and then Light, we are co-creators.
My own humble/neophyte work seems to be constant practice refining both energies, and then balancing them together. This balancing brings me to the doorstep of indigo ray (I think?): unity (unity of L/L?). Beyond this, the nature of indigo ray is quite mysterious to me.
RE: The difference between blue ray and green ray. - Dtris - 10-24-2021
(10-23-2021, 10:21 PM)Vestige Wrote: Does a negative entity lose the blue ray only in 4D-on? Or is the faculty and lack thereof a possible indirect measure of polarity in 3D?
If green ray accepts without complete understanding, and blue ray fills in those details ... Can new understanding ever shake the 5D positive out of the positive polarity?
Negative does not lose the blue ray (throat chakra), but chooses to suppress the green ray (heart chakra). This does happen in 3rd density, and continuous into 4th and onward. The Negative or STS entity uses the lower three rays as a springboard to the blue ray, skipping the green.
Ra said that it is always possible to switch polarities and is actually easier the farther along the path you are. I would imagine 4th and 5th density positive have changed polarities, and vice versa in the past.
RE: The difference between blue ray and green ray. - Dtris - 10-24-2021
(10-24-2021, 11:07 AM)IndigoSalvia Wrote: The OP and responses got me to thinking about my own concepts of the two energies. Thank you to all who have shared their own concepts ... gives me much to contemplate.
If my novice understanding could use some refining, I welcome others' insights. Briefly:
Green - open-hearted compassion for, understanding and acceptance of self and other-selves; this is the Love in L/L
Blue - expressed acceptance of self and other-selves (in action, so to speak); the use of wisdom, discretion, and judgment to channel green ray energy to oneself and other-selves in all manners of expression: listening, speaking, behaving, etc.; this is the Light in L/L
I see green as Love (in all of its many forms) and blue as Light: wise expression, manifestation of green ray Love. Green being the foundation, and Blue being the expression. Like the Logos' Love and then Light, we are co-creators.
My own humble/neophyte work seems to be constant practice refining both energies, and then balancing them together. This balancing brings me to the doorstep of indigo ray (I think?): unity (unity of L/L?). Beyond this, the nature of indigo ray is quite mysterious to me.
My understanding is that while we have a body made of each of the rays, these are rays expressed into 3rd density. So our Mind Body Spirit Complex is currently in 3rd density and the rays are also expressed in that density. What this means is that while green ray for example is the Ray of love and understanding, that is overlaid onto the density of self identity and is not the same as universal green ray energy.
So we have universal Red Thru Violet, and then Red thru Violet as expressed in each density and sub-density, which colors or changes the tone of the universal energy.
RE: The difference between blue ray and green ray. - IndigoSalvia - 10-24-2021
Thanks, Dtris.
Quote:My understanding is that while we have a body made of each of the rays, these are rays expressed into 3rd density. So our Mind Body Spirit Complex is currently in 3rd density and the rays are also expressed in that density. What this means is that while green ray for example is the Ray of love and understanding, that is overlaid onto the density of self identity and is not the same as universal green ray energy.
So we have universal Red Thru Violet, and then Red thru Violet as expressed in each density and sub-density, which colors or changes the tone of the universal energy.
To make sure I understand, expression/flow of our light energies are subject to, or constrained by, 3D?
I understand that a 3D being would likely be unable to express green ray in the same manner in which a 6D being would. However, I didn't understand that we, humans, are receiving and working with a 3D version of green ray light energy.
So, we don't receive - from any source (Earth's energy web or other) - pure, universal green ray?
Am I understanding you correctly?
TIA, dear friend.
RE: The difference between blue ray and green ray. - unity100 - 10-26-2021
Green ray is acceptance and tolerance. It forgives. It doesn't mind. It nurtures.
Blue ray is about freedom. Expression. Discovery. Traveling. Learning.
RE: The difference between blue ray and green ray. - zedro - 10-26-2021
(10-24-2021, 08:09 PM)IndigoSalvia Wrote: So, we don't receive - from any source (Earth's energy web or other) - pure, universal green ray?
It's not about receiving, it's about perceiving, as the energies are filtered through the mind/body complex which is essentially a mechanism of the veil in this sub logos. So what we understand as love /green ray is another distortion layer, we cannot truly comprehend pure green ray through the 'rational mind' or ego, nor do we have to. This is why we reduce it to the functional concept of forgiveness/acceptance, as that is the manifestation of green ray in the 3d realm.
Christ was trying to convey this but the left brained disciples kept getting side tracked into the transient 'how to live' dogmatic approach. Ra attempted to present the concept in a more masculine energy way, which I think is why it's more confusing to more female/right brain thinkers (the other side of the coin).
RE: The difference between blue ray and green ray. - IndigoSalvia - 10-26-2021
Thank you, Zedro, for elaborating. Your words bring clarity to information within me that was still a little fuzzy.
Quote:It's not about receiving, it's about perceiving, as the energies are filtered through the mind/body complex which is essentially a mechanism of the veil in this sub logos. So what we understand as love /green ray is another distortion layer, we cannot truly comprehend pure green ray through the 'rational mind' or ego, nor do we have to. This is why we reduce it to the functional concept of forgiveness/acceptance, as that is the manifestation of green ray in the 3d realm.[/size]
Christ was trying to convey this but the left brained disciples kept getting side tracked into the transient 'how to live' dogmatic approach. Ra attempted to present the concept in a more masculine energy way, which I think is why it's more confusing to more female/right brain thinkers (the other side of the coin).
The more I learn in Law of One, the more my ability to translate back and forth between Law of One and my 3D language/experience is showing up. For me, it's like learning a new Language in the sense that I see the world in a new way ... a way that's been there, for me, all along, but coming into sharper focus. I seem to fumble as my 3D brain goes through a sort of software update, reorganizing.
RE: The difference between blue ray and green ray. - zedro - 10-26-2021
(10-26-2021, 12:02 PM)IndigoSalvia Wrote: The more I learn in Law of One, the more my ability to translate back and forth between Law of One and my 3D language/experience is showing up. For me, it's like learning a new Language in the sense that I see the world in a new way ... a way that's been there, for me, all along, but coming into sharper focus. I seem to fumble as my 3D brain goes through a sort of software update, reorganizing.
Can totally relate to the journey. What's interesting is the left brained/masculine approach of the LOO is what made the spiritual and metaphysical concepts palatable to me, but over time has opened up the right brained/feminine integration, making the concepts more instinctual. I've been thinking alot lately in terms of feminine vs masculine dichotomies, where the interplay reinforces each other in a type of growth, which (I think) would be in essence the matrix/potentiator ----> experience/significator causality loop where directional masculine re-informs the ethereal feminine, or analogously, the potential to kinetic back to upgraded potential energy system. Still refining it but it feels in the ballpark enough to get a point across at least.
RE: The difference between blue ray and green ray. - Dtris - 10-27-2021
(10-26-2021, 12:02 PM)IndigoSalvia Wrote: Thank you, Zedro, for elaborating. Your words bring clarity to information within me that was still a little fuzzy.
Quote:It's not about receiving, it's about perceiving, as the energies are filtered through the mind/body complex which is essentially a mechanism of the veil in this sub logos. So what we understand as love /green ray is another distortion layer, we cannot truly comprehend pure green ray through the 'rational mind' or ego, nor do we have to. This is why we reduce it to the functional concept of forgiveness/acceptance, as that is the manifestation of green ray in the 3d realm.[/size]
Christ was trying to convey this but the left brained disciples kept getting side tracked into the transient 'how to live' dogmatic approach. Ra attempted to present the concept in a more masculine energy way, which I think is why it's more confusing to more female/right brain thinkers (the other side of the coin).
The more I learn in Law of One, the more my ability to translate back and forth between Law of One and my 3D language/experience is showing up. For me, it's like learning a new Language in the sense that I see the world in a new way ... a way that's been there, for me, all along, but coming into sharper focus. I seem to fumble as my 3D brain goes through a sort of software update, reorganizing.
Zedro did a great job explaining my understanding in a different way.
Another analogy which may help is simply that of a filter. Each color goes thru a yellow filter before we interact with it. When in 4th Density, the filter is Green, etc.
RE: The difference between blue ray and green ray. - zedro - 10-27-2021
(10-27-2021, 09:53 AM)Dtris. Wrote: Another analogy which may help is simply that of a filter. Each color goes thru a yellow filter before we interact with it. When in 4th Density, the filter is Green, etc.
That's a great way of looking at it which reinforces why it's important to 'refine' the lower chakras so the higher ones are less distorted. To extend the analogy, the first lens/filter is red, then orange, etc...so if red ray lens is highly distorted, the murkyness clouds each subsequent lens, and at worst, completly obscures them. In forth density, those first 3 lenses (eventually) get discarded all together, because they essentially become transparent, removing all distortions.
I'm thinking someone is going to find a Ra or Quo quote that says exactly that lol.