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RE: Are wanderers still needed and if not, why did we come here? - Sacred Fool - 02-21-2020
That sounds quite strenuous, Reap--you must feel exhausted from it.
By the same token, some would say that there is virtue in--if not eventual necessity for--experiencing all shades of the spectrum of consciousness. Not that one should set out to do that in a single lifetime, of course, but by the time 6d rolls around, one looks back to see vast amount of past experiences, not all of which were convincingly balanced with their opposite. At that point there may well up a desire to complete the journey by experiencing a spread of possible experience. (After all, in 6d All is One, there are no paradoxes and "all that jazz.") And, naturally, it is oftentimes the most disgusting aspects of experience that are saved for last.
Do have any feelings about that? Do you have intimations that the chronicled adventures of your merry band of pranksters might be a means of rounding out the overall consciousness of your SMC by way of exploring more deeply and intensely some possible distortions of the illusion of individuation?
If you agree with the above, then would it make sense to actually encourage your fellows to go further along their chosen pathways? (I'm not advocating this [devilishly], just posing an interesting query.) Perhaps there is a way of encompassing the slime without having to eat it morning, noon and night; that is, perhaps it is more efficient after all to jump into the swamp with a loving heart and embrace the swamp-monsters than to become one and then have to reconcile with that identity. (Sorry, I'm just rambling aloud, as it were.)
RE: Are wanderers still needed and if not, why did we come here? - Signifyz - 02-21-2020
(02-20-2020, 07:02 PM)Reaper Wrote: I left to study black magic. That tendency is latent in my Family and it was only through complete understanding and practice that I was able to fully reject that path. I trained under a senior member of our Family for several years. One of the true elite. We found each other as we always do. We parted ways when I began displaying unconditional love and acceptance of his person, though it was he who introduced me to the techniques that ultimately opened the gateway of remembrance and I am very grateful for that.
Obviously it was not appropriate for me to submerse myself in positive energy while undertaking that learning process. I disappeared from many places for years and spent much time studying in isolation.
I've seen two, possibly three other of our numbers make a few comments here. None of them are active at this time, and we have no specific connection to this forum other than an interest in some of the topics presented. I returned because there is a call here for knowledge I feel I may be able to provide, as it is my intent to serve as I can.
** And because I have a feeling someone will ask, no, I did not cast spells upon or otherwise meddle with anyone on this forum while I was away. The study and discipline required were too grueling to have time for such activities, and I chose to reverse my polarity before I reached the point where it was necessary to do harm.
Hello Reaper, thanks for sharing the story of your journey.
Do you now feel that you have always been of positive choice, with experience of black magic being the needed exploratory part on your path, or did you genuinely switched polarity?
If you feel you've switched polarity, did you walk your way through the well of indifference, or was it somewhat of quantum switch nature?
If you feel you've been always devoted to positive path, did you experience the power to invite opposite polarity just by mental state alone without doing any harmful action? If so, can you share your experience that you feel you are able to put into words?
RE: Are wanderers still needed and if not, why did we come here? - Reaper - 02-21-2020
(02-21-2020, 06:52 AM)Signifyz Wrote: Hello Reaper, thanks for sharing the story of your journey.
Do you now feel that you have always been of positive choice, with experience of black magic being the needed exploratory part on your path, or did you genuinely switched polarity?
If you feel you've switched polarity, did you walk your way through the well of indifference, or was it somewhat of quantum switch nature?
If you feel you've been always devoted to positive path, did you experience the power to invite opposite polarity just by mental state alone without doing any harmful action? If so, can you share your experience that you feel you are able to put into words?
My entire group is impacted by something resembling a negative egregore of our own making, spawned out of some rather serious errors made in previous incarnations. Some of our actions were so dire that we actually accrued a degree of negative polarity instead of accomplishing our original desire to be of service. There are patterns that have been put into place that are hard to break- a sort of gravity that is difficult to escape. There is a particular dark quality that continuously manifests in every one of us, and many of us have simply given into this pull and attempted to go all the way. During a recent Quo channeling I asked a question about alleviating group karma and Quo said that among my group I am "unusual, if not unique" in my desire to actually stop our karma.
Once I was fully committed to exploring that pull to the dark the change was nigh instantaneous, as there were patterns stored in my subconscious mind I was able to pull up in an act of Will, in conjunction with walking certain paths on the Tree of Life, thus regaining some measure of my larger knowledge and personality. When I met the adept who instructed me in negative learning we immediately recognized each other on sight. His negative polarity was significant and exposure to his energy greatly amplified this effect. Upon opening the gateway to Intelligent Infinity this effect was compounded even further. You might say the original personality was immediately assimilated into an older and larger identity that was fully aware of the decisions that contributed to its quality of being.
Once all of the necessary knowledge was on the table I was able to take stock of my current position and make an informed choice instead of just battling subconscious demons and a vague but strong pull toward the dark. After analyzing all experience I decided that I could no longer find any logical reason to harm others and changed myself from within that larger identity, which produced a much more powerful effect that has actually redounded into my entire group, which gives me some hope. These somewhat unusual energetic maneuvers stem out of many lifetimes pursuing the work of the adept, to the point certain things come naturally even if the veil is thick. If I wanted to return to a negative state I could do so easily and instantly at this point, I just don't see any reason to do so.
I am honestly not sure how this adventure will end, but I have become emotionally detached from outcomes because I realize the value in this unusual experience. By the time we finally get home our wisdom will have increased exponentially and we will be able to make valuable contributions to both our memory complex and the Creator.
RE: Are wanderers still needed and if not, why did we come here? - Reaper - 02-21-2020
(02-21-2020, 03:17 AM)peregrine Wrote:
That sounds quite strenuous, Reap--you must feel exhausted from it.
By the same token, some would say that there is virtue in--if not eventual necessity for--experiencing all shades of the spectrum of consciousness. Not that one should set out to do that in a single lifetime, of course, but by the time 6d rolls around, one looks back to see vast amount of past experiences, not all of which were convincingly balanced with their opposite. At that point there may well up a desire to complete the journey by experiencing a spread of possible experience. (After all, in 6d All is One, there are no paradoxes and "all that jazz.") And, naturally, it is oftentimes the most disgusting aspects of experience that are saved for last.
Do have any feelings about that? Do you have intimations that the chronicled adventures of your merry band of pranksters might be a means of rounding out the overall consciousness of your SMC by way of exploring more deeply and intensely some possible distortions of the illusion of individuation?
If you agree with the above, then would it make sense to actually encourage your fellows to go further along their chosen pathways? (I'm not advocating this [devilishly], just posing an interesting query.) Perhaps there is a way of encompassing the slime without having to eat it morning, noon and night; that is, perhaps it is more efficient after all to jump into the swamp with a loving heart and embrace the swamp-monsters than to become one and then have to reconcile with that identity. (Sorry, I'm just rambling aloud, as it were.)
Our veer into the negative was not intended when we came here, however you are right in that it has served to balance and expand our quality of being.
RE: Are wanderers still needed and if not, why did we come here? - Sacred Fool - 02-21-2020
It's a topic that interests me. Years back, when I asked asked Q'uo about my sense that I had wandered through higher densities, both positive and negative, the answer that came back never mentioned polarity...it was all about consciousness--that is, not hanging out in the penumbra, but experiencing the full light of conscious, to which we are all heir. This involved full acceptance of the so-called dark as well as everything thing else.
Easier said than done, eh? I recently heard a piece on the radio about child molestation imagery. If you caress those vibes, just to pick an example, it can be quite de-stabilizing.
RE: Are wanderers still needed and if not, why did we come here? - Reaper - 02-21-2020
(02-21-2020, 03:50 PM)peregrine Wrote:
It's a topic that interests me. Years back, when I asked asked Q'uo about my sense that I had wandered through higher densities, both positive and negative, the answer that came back never mentioned polarity...it was all about consciousness--that is, not hanging out in the penumbra, but experiencing the full light of conscious, to which we are all heir. This involved full acceptance of the so-called dark as well as everything thing else.
Easier said than done, eh? I recently heard a piece on the radio about child molestation imagery. If you caress those vibes, just to pick an example, it can be quite de-stabilizing.
Over the course of my long existence I've had my time as the abuser, the murderer, the thief and the rapist. I don't condone these activities, but it isn't my place to judge the individuals whose shoes I've stood in. I don't flinch at their activities because I don't flinch at the sight of myself in the mirror. The reason people have such violent emotional reactions regarding heinous acts is that they do not want to recognize the counterpart in themselves that light is being shone upon.
I don't think it's necessary for every entity to actively seek out negative experience in order to balance these energies in themselves, though some may. All paths are open to be chosen through free will. However, at a certain level of oneness empathy expands to encompass these shadow aspects of consciousness as they are recognized as reflections of the self. We are all one. The experience becomes integrated in realizing that oneness with the perpetrators of these deeds.
RE: Are wanderers still needed and if not, why did we come here? - Sacred Fool - 02-21-2020
I could be wrong about this, but it seems to moi that the principle hitch in accepting the dark depths in that awesome creature in the mirror looking back at you (as well in accepting the supernal elements) is what can become a crushing feeling of vulnerability. In my view, it's the resolution of that seminal paradox (self as infernal AND supernal with the attending seeming annihilation attendant to surrendering to both) that underpins deep spiritual growth.
Have you any thoughts about that?
Oh, and I might add here--returning to the point of this thread--that doing so is one good reason why wanderers are still needed here on this planet. That is, working to resolve this paradox, in my view, is an enormous service to this planet at this time in particular.
RE: Are wanderers still needed and if not, why did we come here? - Reaper - 02-21-2020
(02-21-2020, 07:50 PM)peregrine Wrote: I could be wrong about this, but it seems to moi that the principle hitch in accepting the dark depths in that awesome creature in the mirror looking back at you (as well in accepting the supernal elements) is what can become a crushing feeling of vulnerability.
That is correct. It is the fear of that vulnerability that tends to drive one to the dark side in the first place, which is a bit ironic, considering that the annihilating quality of the Abyss is the ultimate manifestation of negative polarity. To cross the Abyss takes enormous courage indeed, as it's never certain what will emerge on the other side, if one emerges at all. It is, however, the work that we all face at some point.
RE: Are wanderers still needed and if not, why did we come here? - flofrog - 02-21-2020
Well, do you think that with old age you start to fowl intense gratitude for whatever wonderful fleeting moments there were, and in that moment of intense gratitude you lose all fear and see your own darkness as one side of normality not fully resolved yet by the grace of gratitude and then ... you kind of get Ra's word where all paradoxes could be resolved ?
RE: Are wanderers still needed and if not, why did we come here? - Reaper - 02-22-2020
(02-21-2020, 11:25 PM)flofrog Wrote: Well, do you think that with old age you start to fowl intense gratitude for whatever wonderful fleeting moments there were, and in that moment of intense gratitude you lose all fear and see your own darkness as one side of normality not fully resolved yet by the grace of gratitude and then ... you kind of get Ra's word where all paradoxes could be resolved ?
I don't think it takes old age to move into a perspective of gratitude, just a willingness to do so. However, yes, time does have a way of making you look back on things in a different light, and I think this extends far beyond the physical lifetime.