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RE: How will we transition into 4th Density if most of humanity will merge... - Ray711 - 01-16-2020
(01-15-2020, 06:16 PM)Glow Wrote: We are a weird species. The negative bellicose behaviours will always be present till 3d ends. If we just leave the scary stuff to the ones focused on power and profits it’s really tipping the table in their favour.
I am very wary of Elon Musk myself. This is the same man who wants to nuke the hell out of Mars, when Ra and many other metaphysical sources have said how harmful nukes are, not just in the physical realm, but in the metaphysical one as well. We are already watched and spied on through our computers and phones so much that we've come to consider it normal. To willingly give the STS entities the means to access our very brains is something that seems very dangerous to me. Personally, I have no doubts that they will use any and all excuses in order for us to willingly buy into the "necessity" of this idea.
If there is an AI so complex that it dwarfs us in terms of intellectual prowess, then there is no evening up the playing field. That game is lost from the get-go. The problem with entering into a sort of "battle" with the STS entities, whether this is a direct physical confrontation or an arms race or a technological one, is that STS entities are always going to be many steps ahead. Fighting, power and having the means to control others is the name of their game. They sacrifice everything else in order to gain these things. How can we hope to fight them or even resist them at their game, when our motivation to gain power can only be partial, and theirs is total? We're playing into their game like this. If the excuse to make us part AI is that STS entities are going to be full AI, then it's already a losing game from the get-go, isn't it?
I would say that love is the answer. However, we know that even the Confederation refrains itself from giving love in a pure manner sometimes, due to the power of Orion. This instance with AIs might be different, though. Perhaps this is "battle" that is won by merely saying "no".
RE: How will we transition into 4th Density if most of humanity will merge with machines? - Glow - 01-16-2020
(01-16-2020, 04:14 AM)Ray711 Wrote:Edited to add. I forgot when writing this the nuclear bomb Musk proposed was primarily to get mars spinning again and recreate a magnetic field. There aren’t many other ways to do that, well any actually. The water and co2 being freed up was a secondary positive effect.—— end of edit(01-15-2020, 06:16 PM)Glow Wrote: We are a weird species. The negative bellicose behaviours will always be present till 3d ends. If we just leave the scary stuff to the ones focused on power and profits it’s really tipping the table in their favour.
I am very wary of Elon Musk myself. This is the same man who wants to nuke the hell out of Mars, when Ra and many other metaphysical sources have said how harmful nukes are, not just in the physical realm, but in the metaphysical one as well. We are already watched and spied on through our computers and phones so much that we've come to consider it normal. To willingly give the STS entities the means to access our very brains is something that seems very dangerous to me. Personally, I have no doubts that they will use any and all excuses in order for us to willingly buy into the "necessity" of this idea.
If there is an AI so complex that it dwarfs us in terms of intellectual prowess, then there is no evening up the playing field. That game is lost from the get-go. The problem with entering into a sort of "battle" with the STS entities, whether this is a direct physical confrontation or an arms race or a technological one, is that STS entities are always going to be many steps ahead. Fighting, power and having the means to control others is the name of their game. They sacrifice everything else in order to gain these things. How can we hope to fight them or even resist them at their game, when our motivation to gain power can only be partial, and theirs is total? We're playing into their game like this. If the excuse to make us part AI is that STS entities are going to be full AI, then it's already a losing game from the get-go, isn't it?
I would say that love is the answer. However, we know that even the Confederation refrains itself from giving love in a pure manner sometimes, due to the power of Orion. This instance with AIs might be different, though. Perhaps this is "battle" that is won by merely saying "no".
You do know that plan was to nuke the poles to free up ice into vapour containing water and CO2 which would help bring mars back to a tarraformable planet right? It’s exactly what happened here but with an asteroid or some other event. We need enough greenhouse gas to start a self sustaining ecosystem where plants can respirate and bring the planet to life. Green house gases is yet again a double edge sword. To little no physical life exists, to much the current life forms die off as the ecosystem does.
To me this use of nukes seems like a possitive use of the double edge sword again. Anything can be used for evil or good.
I personally do not like nuclear plants here on earth because the refuse needs such incredibly secure and long standing containment, but to actually make a non habitable planet move towards becoming habitable I certainly wouldn’t rule out after diligent research regarding using the nukes to start off a possible viable ecosystem. I went to school originally for environmental engineering. There are several hold ups in tarraforming mars. We are going to need big ideas to solve big problems, maybe not this one but I haven't done the research on it.
Edited to add I personally think Elon comes from the energy of Mars and is driven by a sense of duty to rehabilitate his origin planet and prevent the destruction of this one. Also those from mars we among the first here. They have had all 3 cycles to transform and evolve so no need to fear them anymore than anyone else.
As to Orion. This is interesting. They engineered OUR evolution with genetic tampering according to Ra. Do you not think that was the plan of the ONE? It’s all one you know? Sometimes the darkness is needed to bring further light/contrast/focus. We are all one. Beyond a certain awareness there is no war just one united energy trying to explore itself.
Regardless you are likely supposed to feel exactly as you do, or else you wouldn’t. I just do not see a lot of black and white just shadow, and shadow is just the unknown, without it we do not grow, to grow all we need to do is bring light to shadow. So it doesn’t worry me. If a shadow is being explored, make sure someone brings light. I see musk as doing that, and if he won’t someone needs to.
RE: How will we transition into 4th Density if most of humanity will merge with machines? - kristina - 01-16-2020
(01-16-2020, 09:43 AM)Glow Wrote:(01-16-2020, 04:14 AM)Ray711 Wrote:(01-15-2020, 06:16 PM)Glow Wrote: We are a weird species. The negative bellicose behaviours will always be present till 3d ends. If we just leave the scary stuff to the ones focused on power and profits it’s really tipping the table in their favour.
I am very wary of Elon Musk myself. This is the same man who wants to nuke the hell out of Mars, when Ra and many other metaphysical sources have said how harmful nukes are, not just in the physical realm, but in the metaphysical one as well. We are already watched and spied on through our computers and phones so much that we've come to consider it normal. To willingly give the STS entities the means to access our very brains is something that seems very dangerous to me. Personally, I have no doubts that they will use any and all excuses in order for us to willingly buy into the "necessity" of this idea.
If there is an AI so complex that it dwarfs us in terms of intellectual prowess, then there is no evening up the playing field. That game is lost from the get-go. The problem with entering into a sort of "battle" with the STS entities, whether this is a direct physical confrontation or an arms race or a technological one, is that STS entities are always going to be many steps ahead. Fighting, power and having the means to control others is the name of their game. They sacrifice everything else in order to gain these things. How can we hope to fight them or even resist them at their game, when our motivation to gain power can only be partial, and theirs is total? We're playing into their game like this. If the excuse to make us part AI is that STS entities are going to be full AI, then it's already a losing game from the get-go, isn't it?
I would say that love is the answer. However, we know that even the Confederation refrains itself from giving love in a pure manner sometimes, due to the power of Orion. This instance with AIs might be different, though. Perhaps this is "battle" that is won by merely saying "no".
You do know that plan was to nuke the poles to free up ice into vapour containing water and CO2 which would help bring mars back to a tarraformable planet right? It’s exactly what happened here but with an asteroid or some other event. We need enough greenhouse gas to start a self sustaining ecosystem where plants can respirate and bring the planet to life. Green house gases is yet again a double edge sword. To little no physical life exists, to much the current life forms die off as the ecosystem does.
To me this use of nukes seems like a possitive use of the double edge sword again. Anything can be used for evil or good.
I personally do not like nuclear plants here on earth because the refuse needs such incredibly secure and long standing containment, but to actually make a non habitable planet move towards becoming habitable I certainly wouldn’t rule out after diligent research regarding using the nukes to start off a possible viable ecosystem. I went to school originally for environmental engineering. There are several hold ups in tarraforming mars. We are going to need big ideas to solve big problems, maybe not this one but I haven't done the research on it.
Edited to add I personally think Elon comes from the energy of Mars and is driven by a sense of duty to rehabilitate his origin planet and prevent the destruction of this one. Also those from mars we among the first here. They have had all 3 cycles to transform and evolve so no need to fear them anymore than anyone else.
As to Orion. This is interesting. They engineered OUR evolution with genetic tampering according to Ra. Do you not think that was the plan of the ONE? It’s all one you know? Sometimes the darkness is needed to bring further light/contrast/focus. We are all one. Beyond a certain awareness there is no war just one united energy trying to explore itself.
Regardless you are likely supposed to feel exactly as you do, or else you wouldn’t. I just do not see a lot of black and white just shadow, and shadow is just the unknown, without it we do not grow, to grow all we need to do is bring light to shadow. So it doesn’t worry me. If a shadow is being explored, make sure someone brings light. I see musk as doing that, and if he won’t someone needs to.
Quote:Regardless you are likely supposed to feel exactly as you do, or else you wouldn’t. I just do not see a lot of black and white just shadow, and shadow is just the unknown, without it we do not grow, to grow all we need to do is bring light to shadow. So it doesn’t worry me. If a shadow is being explored, make sure someone brings light. I see musk as doing that, and if he won’t someone needs to.Yes. Indeed. As when light is cast upon any-thing it creates another shadow. The shadow contains the most significant work and demands concentration and for us to remain astute. Great discussion from the both of you! How interesting! Thanks
RE: How will we transition into 4th Density if most of humanity will merge with machines? - Diana - 01-16-2020
(01-16-2020, 04:14 AM)Ray711 Wrote: I am very wary of Elon Musk myself. This is the same man who wants to nuke the hell out of Mars, when Ra and many other metaphysical sources have said how harmful nukes are, not just in the physical realm, but in the metaphysical one as well.
I agree with you about nuking Mars. Whatever the intention, our primitive nuking ability and the devastation and waste it causes is not an answer. Nothing is "dead" in the universe in my opinion, as everything is manifested out of the same infinite source. And the bigger reason I don't like it is because—although I understand Musk's vision of adding to a hopeful future in the way he can—we should take care of our own planet first. Perhaps we will require another planet due to population growth, but we need to care for our own environment here and now, or just have the mentality that we destroy our own home and move to another.
I also don't like the space junk that is being created by all the rocket and shuttle launches. It is humanity's penchant to explore, but we are out of synch with the consciousness to do it conscientiously with the technology we currently have.
RE: How will we transition into 4th Density if most of humanity will merge... - Ray711 - 01-17-2020
(01-16-2020, 09:43 AM)Glow Wrote: You do know that plan was to nuke the poles to free up ice into vapour containing water and CO2 which would help bring mars back to a tarraformable planet right?
I agree with Diana in regards to this, I don't see nukes as the option. Nukes are weapons of destruction, the mere fact that it's possible to destroy a soul with them makes them extremely dangerous. If it were me, this mere fact outweighs anything "good" that could theoretically come from nukes. And then there's the lingering radiation to take into account. We know from Ra that Mars is already undergoing healing. We don't have to take it upon ourselves to fix Mars, let alone with nukes. To me this speaks of the arrogance of humankind; thinking that we can fix everything with the intellect, when we haven't even begun to explore spirituality in a proper way at the collective level. We have too powerful technology for such a spirituality immature species.
(01-16-2020, 09:43 AM)Glow Wrote: To me this use of nukes seems like a possitive use of the double edge sword again. Anything can be used for evil or good.
I agree that intention is very important, but without the wisdom to know what effects our actions or our tools can have, good intentions can and often do lead to destruction and negativity. The road to hell is indeed paved with good intentions. The two Venusian wanderers reflect this. And in a reality closer to us, Ra had this to say:
Quote:At the present space/time the condition of well-meant and unintentional slavery are so numerous that it beggars our ability to enumerate them.
The tools of the positive polarity are patience, tolerance, the light touch, compassion, love. Nukes are a tool of destruction; a tool of the negative polarity. Just as there are parents that believe that hitting their children is a good way of educating them and of teaching them what they shouldn't do, when this actually carries more negative consequences than anything else, it seems hugely unlikely to me that the positive consequences of nuking Mars would outweigh the negatives, especially if we consider Mars as an entity of its own, with its own consciousness. In their minds, both such parents and Elon Musk might think they are doing something good, something of the positive polarity. They are both probably causing more chaos and destruction than anything else, though. If we want to help Mars heal faster, I would say that meditating and imagining sending love and light to the planet is probably much more effective than nuking it.
RE: How will we transition into 4th Density if most of humanity will merge with machines? - gramboginn - 01-28-2020
i noticed the OP never rebutted. interesting...perhaps bait?