(10-02-2020, 10:44 AM)Scah Wrote: JW,

I have the same observation as you do.

I am actually very curious how a topic talking about Jim would belong to strictly Law of One material. And the OP content most definitely doesn't belong to this section though the replies from others are (Aion, your deep dive into LOO materials are always a treat to me).  

Hi, Scah.  Well, I thought about where to put this thread.  It could have gone into the Spiritual Developement category, but it is highly specific to the developement of the LOO material, so I filed it there.  Is that really a transgression of such magnitude to warrant such a cranky response?  That's your call, I suppose, but I feel no remorse.

Personally, I find this discussion, especially the OP from Peregrine very much against LOO material where time and time again LOO indicates that EVERYONE is Creator and that there are potential serious distortions when an individual Entity is idolized and worshiped. Though the OP hasn't come to the degree of worshiping, there are definitely signs of the beginning of some serious idolizing.

I think it's a distortion to say that I'm idolizing Jim in a literal sense.  If you want to look at this way, I would say he's a good role model in some respects, and if you disagree with that, have at it.  What I say about him takes nothing away from anyone else, so far as I can see.  If I'm wrong about that, please show me where you think I crossed the line.  

All that said, I was, in part, reacting to what I see as people using Carla and Don as role models for them, and I was throwing this out for the sake of some sort of balance.  But I'm not staking out a partisan position for the "Jim Camp," so far as I can tell.  If you noticed, the discussion has not moved along such lines at all.

And as you have mentioned, on top of Peregrine trying to distract and veil this through fine articulation and poetic language when others responding to the thread gently points this out in various way, the tone and content of Peregrine's replies to others fall directly under Peregrine's own definition of "de-tuning". It's very baffling to me why this is happening.

In my view, other-self, it's BS to say I'm distracting and veiling. Please support your accusations with factual evidence.  At the same time, don't expect me to sing the same note all the time, for that just ain't my style.  If you pay attention, the tenor and tone of my responses to people can vary greatly according to the context. For instance, when I think someone is way out of line or rude or abusive, etc., I may respond in a different manner than I would to someone asking a question or sharing an experience.

I can't help but wondering what is happening. Peregrine started a discussion that if the forum should be closed due to digression and "De-tuning" and while that conversation is still going on, Peregrine did the exact things that Peregrine has the most concern about.

See comment above.

JW thank you for sharing your observation. I thought I was the only person with this observation.

And of course all of these are just my observations through my own perspective. I sincerely want to be wrong about this.

Be well.

(10-02-2020, 11:07 AM)Infinite Wrote: I see the three aspects of the magical personality (Love, Wisdom and Power) as being linked to the green, blue and indigo energy centers respectively. Ra placed a lot of importance on the indigo ray as that ray that represents infinite possibilities to the adept. That would be power in my view.

In addition to the fact that through this ray, which is the level of intelligent energy in the microcosm, intelligent infinity can be contacted and many psychic abilities are acquired. In the sources of yoga it's said that when the kundalini reaches the third eye, many siddhis (paranormal powers) are conquered.

Quote:74.8 Questioner: Would you answer it please?

Ra: I am Ra. We would be happy to answer this query. We understood the previous query as being of other import. The indigo ray is the ray of the adept. A great deal of the answer you seek is in this sentence. There is an identification between the crystallization of that energy center and the improvement of the working of the mind/body/spirit as it begins to transcend space/time balancing and to enter the combined realms of space/time and time/space.

Quote:Oh, to your point of forces all "unifying", I'm actually not convinced there are "separate forces", but rather different aspects of a single force, just like I think matter, sound and light are all the same thing operating at different vibratory levels.

Actually pretty sure that "one force" is just intelligent energy.

Quote:As for whether or not Jim brought 'lessons of power' from others lives, I can't really say.

Ra said that the trio had worked together as a group in other lives and I always felt that was more explanation as for why they were able to come together and mesh. They've been working at it for awhile.

Quote:That being said, I think "spiritual gravity" is constantly present, even the planet has it.

What you describe sounds like "crystallization", which allows more of the clear light of the Creator to shine through the individual, and that light which I perceive as the 'presence of the divine

Quote:So, I probably seem like I'm just repeating myself a bunch, but frankly, so does Ra.

Quote:When you're talking about that "movement towards the Creator" this is described by Ra as the "upwards spiraling light" and it emerges in third-density.

Quote: All of these suggest to me entities learning how to use love with wisdom in order to direct their own distortions of light towards greater realization of the self as Creator.

Quote:15.22 Questioner: You also said that you offered the Law of One, which is the balancing of love/light and light/love. Is there any difference between love/light and light/love?


Ra: I am Ra. This will be the final question of this time/space. There is the same difference between love/light and light/love as there is between teach/learning and learn/teaching. Love/light is the enabler, the power, the energy giver. Light/love is the manifestation which occurs when light has been impressed with love.

Quote:What is very worth noting though is that most of Ra's 'sign offs' include "the power and the peace of the One Creator".

This is actually the most frequent use of the word power in the material.

Quote:So, I think it's a preeeetty broad question to ask, what good can a 6D entity get from 3D? Wouldn't that depend entirely on the particular entity? I'm not sure any two are working on the exact same balance.


However, I would venture to suggest that the nature of the character of a personality may not necessarily be directly reflective of the lessons being learned by the totality. I think there is a lot more nuance to it than that.

Quote:For me, divinity and unity are one and the same, if that helps clarify at all.

Quote:In order to create the perfect context for the Ra Contact, yellow ray energy isn't of any great importance.

Quote:39.10 Questioner: I sense that there is fruitful ground for investigation of our development in tracing the evolution of the bodily energy centers because these seven centers seem to be linked with all of the sevens that I spoke of previously and be central to our own development. Could you describe the process of evolution of these bodily energy centers starting with the most primitive form of life to have them?

Ra: I am Ra. This material has been covered previously to some extent. Therefore, we shall not repeat information upon which rays dwell in first and second density and the wherefores of this, but rather attempt to enlarge upon this information.

The basic pivotal points of each level of development; that is, each density beyond second, may be seen to be as follows: Firstly, the basic energy of so-called red ray. This ray may be understood to be the basic strengthening ray for each density. It shall never be condescended to as less important or productive of spiritual evolution, for it is the foundation ray.

The next foundation ray is yellow. This is the great stepping stone ray. At this ray the mind/body potentiates to its fullest balance. The strong red/orange/yellow triad springboards the entity into the center ray of green. This is again a basic ray but not a primary ray.

This is the resource for spiritual work. When green ray has been activated we find the third primary ray being able to begin potentiation. This is the first true spiritual ray in that all transfers are of an integrated mind/body/spirit nature. The blue ray seats the learning/teachings of the spirit in each density within the mind/body complex, animating the whole, communicating to others this entirety of beingness.

The indigo ray, though precious, is that ray worked upon only by the adept, as you would call it. It is the gateway to intelligent infinity bringing intelligent energy through. This is the energy center worked upon in those teachings considered inner, hidden, and occult, for this ray is that which is infinite in its possibilities. As you are aware, those who heal, teach, and work for the Creator in any way which may be seen to be both radiant and balanced are those activities which are indigo ray.

As you are aware, the violet ray is constant and does not figure into a discussion of the functions of ray activation in that it is the mark, the register, the identity, the true vibration of an entity.

Quote:Second point first, definitely, most of what we consider to be our personality are defense mechanisms which have absolutely no purpose in time/space.

Quote:75.23 Questioner: I am sorry for the confusion. Sometimes, as you say, sound vibration complexes are not very adequate, and I’m sorry.
You made the statement in a previous session that the true adept lives more and more as it is. Will you explain and expand upon that statement?

Ra: I am Ra. Each entity is the Creator. The entity, as it becomes more and more conscious of its self, gradually comes to the turning point at which it determines to seek either in service to others or in service to self. The seeker becomes the adept when it has balanced with minimal adequacy the energy centers red, orange, yellow, and blue with the addition of the green for the positive, thus moving into indigo work.

The adept then begins to do less of the preliminary or outer work, having to do with function, and begins to effect the inner work which has to do with being. As the adept becomes a more and more consciously crystallized entity it gradually manifests more and more of that which it always has been since before time; that is, the One Infinite Creator.

Quote:99.5 Questioner: Finally, of the preliminary questions, one from Jim stating, “For the last three weeks I have often been at the edge of anger and frustration, have had a nearly constant dull pain at my indigo-ray center, and have felt quite drained of energy. Would Ra comment on the source of these experiences and any thoughts or actions that might alleviate it?”

Ra: I am Ra. As in all distortions, the source is the limit of the viewpoint. We may, without serious infringement, suggest three courses of behavior which shall operate upon the distortion expressed.
Firstly, it would be well for the scribe to engage, if not daily then as nearly so as possible, in a solitary strenuous activity which brings this entity to the true physical weariness. Further, although any activity may suffice, an activity chosen for its intended service to the harmony of the group would be quite efficacious.
The second activity is some of your space/time and time/space taken by the entity, directly or as nearly so as possible to the strenuous activity, for solitary contemplation.
Thirdly, the enthusiastic pursuit of the balancing and silent meditations cannot be deleted from the list of helpful activities for this entity.
We may note that the great forte of the scribe is summed in the inadequate sound vibration complex, power. The flow of power, just as the flow of love or wisdom, is enabled not by the chary conserver of its use but by the constant user. The physical manifestation of power being either constructive or destructive strenuous activity, the power-filled entity must needs exercise that manifestation. This entity experiences a distortion in the direction of an excess of stored energy. It is well to know the self and to guard and use those attributes which the self has provided for its learning and its service.

(10-02-2020, 11:35 AM)peregrine Wrote: Yes, if you are looking to make such associations, I think it makes a lot more sense the way you describe it than to associate them with yellow, green & blue.  In order to create the perfect context for the Ra Contact, yellow ray energy isn't of any great importance.

Quote:92.13 Questioner: Thank you. Third: Just as free will taps intelligent infinity which yields intelligent energy which then focuses and creates the densities of this octave of experience, the Potentiator of Mind utilizes its connection with intelligent energy and taps or potentiates the Matrix of the Mind which yields Catalyst of the Mind. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is thoughtful but confused. The Matrix of the Mind is that which reaches just as the kinetic phase of intelligent infinity, through free will, reaches for the Logos or, in the case of the mind/body/spirit complex the sub-sub-Logos which is the free-will-potentiated beingness of the mind/body/spirit complex; to intelligent infinity, Love, and all that follows from that Logos; to the Matrix or, shall we say, the conscious, waiting self of each entity, the Love or the sub-sub-Logos spinning through free will all those things which may enrich the experience of the Creator by the Creator.

It is indeed so that the biases of the potentials of a mind/body/spirit complex cause the catalyst of this entity to be unique and to form a coherent pattern that resembles the dance, full of movement, forming a many-figured tapestry of motion.

Aion Wrote:Ra describes an "attraction towards seeking the Creator", what kind of "spiritual force" would that entail?

Aion Wrote:For example, talking about a 3D adepts use of love and wisdom balanced by power is a totally different subject from talking about a 6D entity benefiting from 3D.

(10-02-2020, 02:57 PM)peregrine Wrote: Well, this is become a tangled mess, yet still somehow, engaging.  Honestly, I'm having trouble keeping it all straight, but I'll attempt to respond.  (This instrument's brain is wearing thin.)


So-Called Yellow Ray
Of course, it's indispensable in the developement of consciousness.  No argument there.  What I was trying to claim in the answer to Infinity is that, when you think of the power needed to channel Ra, highly developed yellow ray energy is minimally essential compared to highly developed indigo ray energy.  Perhaps you disagree with this, I'm just trying to clarify my statement.  Second, Ra refers specifically to Jim's physical energy, and this does not rule out my assertion, it seems to moi.  So, I don't see that any of us have proven anything.  I was offering the idea because its a line investigation someone else may someday wish to explore.


Personality
I said "most" of it eventually goes out the window, and I suggest this is because what remains from an incarnation, eventually, are the deep impulses, biases and other such things which make up the spiritual work we do in incarnation.  And much (perhaps you'll like "much" much better?) of what we think of as that which defines us falls away.  For example, our family identity, social or political identity, etc. drop away, but our deep loves and aversions and our identity in spirit follow us.  I think there's a Ra quote describing this.  I'll look later.


BINGO!

Aion Wrote:Ra describes an "attraction towards seeking the Creator", what kind of "spiritual force" would that entail?

Maybe you can tell me?

Aion Wrote:For example, talking about a 3D adepts use of love and wisdom balanced by power is a totally different subject from talking about a 6D entity benefiting from 3D.

Please say more about this.  Don't they converge over time for a 6D wanderer?
  
  

(10-02-2020, 03:13 PM)Aion Wrote: I think it is this "Matrix of the Mind is that which reaches just as the kinetic phase of intelligent infinity, through free will, reaches for the Logos".

It is Intelligent Infinity reaching out to us through intelligent energy, as we strive back towards it. The One, becoming Two, becoming One.

(10-02-2020, 01:45 AM)peregrine Wrote:

(10-02-2020, 01:13 AM)J.W. Wrote: You even admitted at one point on my post, that you want to "challenge" me.

In the next homecoming, let's analyze peregrine and peregrine's actions. ya?

I see you're bitter about having been challenged.  Well, I'm sorry I made things difficult for you, other-self, but challenging is way to see to what an entity is loyal to, you know?  To see what he's really made of.  Personally, I think it was fair in the context of all the moderators here having gone underground, and my criticisms of you were were not unfounded.

Should we ever meet in person, J.W, I'd be very happy to share food, cigars and whiskey with you and discuss whatever you like.
   

(10-02-2020, 04:08 PM)peregrine Wrote:

(10-02-2020, 03:13 PM)Aion Wrote: I think it is this "Matrix of the Mind is that which reaches just as the kinetic phase of intelligent infinity, through free will, reaches for the Logos".

It is Intelligent Infinity reaching out to us through intelligent energy, as we strive back towards it. The One, becoming Two, becoming One.

Thinking back over this little repartee, I think I see--maybe--why you and I have been oriented so differently to the subject.  The reaching you're describing above is the beginning of the return trip back to Infinity, whereas my focus is on a much later stage, to wit, the unity culmination approaching the apex of 6D.  (Well, that's what my internal sensors indicate, for whatever value that may be.)
   

Quote:36.6 Questioner: Then the higher self operates from the future as we understand things. In other words my higher self would operate from what I consider to be my future? Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. From the standpoint of your space/time, this is correct.

36.7 Questioner: In that case my higher self would, shall we say, have a very large advantage in knowing precisely what was needed since it would know what… as far as I am concerned, what was going to happen. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect, in that this would be an abrogation of free will. The higher self aspect is aware of the lessons learned through the sixth density. The progress rate is fairly well understood. The choices which must be made to achieve the higher self as it is are in the provenance of the mind/body/spirit complex itself.

Thus the higher self is like the map in which the destination is known; the roads are very well known, these roads being designed by intelligent infinity working through intelligent energy. However, the higher self aspect can program only for the lessons and certain predisposing limitations if it wishes. The remainder is completely the free choice of each entity. There is the perfect balance between the known and the unknown.

36.8 Questioner: I’m sorry for having so much trouble with these concepts, but they are pretty difficult to translate, I am sure, into our understanding and language. And some of my questions may be rather ridiculous, but does this higher self have a physical vehicle or some type of vehicle like our physical vehicle? Does it have a bodily complex?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. The higher self is of a certain advancement within sixth density going into the seventh. After the seventh has been well entered the mind/body/spirit complex becomes so totally a mind/body/spirit complex totality that it begins to gather spiritual mass and approach the octave density. Thus the looking backwards is finished at that point.

(10-03-2020, 01:28 AM)Aion Wrote: I mean, you say it's the beginning, but I feel like it carries through the whole journey? Is it not the same force operating the whole way through?

Well, then I would ask, to what extent do you think a third density mind is capable of grasping the motivations of sixth density?

Quote:It is Intelligent Infinity reaching out to us through intelligent energy, as we strive back towards it. The One, becoming Two, becoming One.

https://llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2006/2006_0414.aspx Wrote:In orienting you and those like you to the actual situation, we would ask each to move back in perspective until there is a broadness that takes in all of the third-density pattern. A pattern involves a choice of how to be and how to serve. In third density, the path to graduation involves a simple choice followed by a series of congruent choices which progressively tune the spirit under such discipline to the point where that spirit is able to surrender to love.

The difficulty is in releasing all of the intelligence and knowledge that is so proudly carried and so skillfully used in the outer manifestations of life on planet Earth.

In order to dig down into the treasure of self, you must break the container that holds all of that pride or arrogance of accomplishment. When you have released this structure, you will find that you are as vulnerable as a tiny kitten, such as the one that is snuggled up against this instrument’s ankle at this moment. Only when you have become as a tiny child, free of the burden of your wisdom, can you at last break the bunker of self-consciousness.

My brother, how deeply and how truly you seek to do that! And yet how clever are the many, many thoughts and strategies that will gladly entrain your intelligence and distract your will. These forces within you do not wish for you to open your heart. They like having full pockets. They do not want you to empty your pockets of these things which, to the surface personality, seem to suggest selfhood. Yet there is a powerful voice within you that says that this is not true consciousness. And you hunger for that.

What is the “I” of a person and of a soul? When consciousness itself is the “I” of you, then shall your heart be free to open and blossom and radiate infinitely. And from that perspective alone shall you at last be able to march from the sanctum sanctorum, fed and strengthened, in full knowledge of who you are for the first time and ready at last to do serious work upon balancing the wisdom which you offered to yourself as a gift and as catalyst.

You seek to wend your way from the penumbra of articulated thought to the daylight of love. We wish you every good fortune in your seeking and we commend you for your awareness of the basic situation.

(10-04-2020, 04:11 AM)dexter101 Wrote: isnt anyone here gonna speak about the obvious?
its one of the things Carla mentioned at the end of one of her books about don and how he felt... i cant believe how noone here has mentioned it. i dont want to be the one to do the honors but i know its at the back of everyones mind.

(10-03-2020, 02:23 AM)peregrine Wrote:

(10-03-2020, 01:28 AM)Aion Wrote: I mean, you say it's the beginning, but I feel like it carries through the whole journey? Is it not the same force operating the whole way through?

Well, then I would ask, to what extent do you think a third density mind is capable of grasping the motivations of sixth density?

Quote:It is Intelligent Infinity reaching out to us through intelligent energy, as we strive back towards it. The One, becoming Two, becoming One.

You're right, I didn't express myself clearly enough.  What I was (almost) referring to is that in your pic of the two hands, God's is active while Adam's is passive, i.e., Adam is accepting a spiritual birth of sorts.  That's what I meant by the beginning of the return journey.

What I've been focusing my intention on in this conversation is the "as we strive back towards it" mentioned above.  It's in that context that power (that which individualized consciousness has refined through innumerable incarnative adventures) plays the role I spoke of earlier in balancing Love and Light and, through the balancing of such weighty elements, turning all of that inward and accruing spiritual mass or gravity.  So, one part of the story involves becoming invested with divine energy and another part of the story involves careful, steady balancing and energizing of that which was the investment, but which has become an individualized offer to the one Creatrix.  My sense is that this occurs in mid 6D and that further work is done in that state prior to leave taking into 7D.  And, at the end of the story, you would be quite correct that the power is the same: "One becoming two, becoming One."

Can a 3D critter take on the power of 6D?  I think probably so, but not while remaining in a body.  (Recall the Ra passage about moving about the universe with unfettered tread.)  While in a 3D body I think it is possible for a 6D wanderer to become sympathetic to the desired working of one's 6D self in general terms.  Personally, I take guidance from this Q'uo session.

https://llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2006/2006_0414.aspx Wrote:In orienting you and those like you to the actual situation, we would ask each to move back in perspective until there is a broadness that takes in all of the third-density pattern. A pattern involves a choice of how to be and how to serve. In third density, the path to graduation involves a simple choice followed by a series of congruent choices which progressively tune the spirit under such discipline to the point where that spirit is able to surrender to love.

The difficulty is in releasing all of the intelligence and knowledge that is so proudly carried and so skillfully used in the outer manifestations of life on planet Earth.

In order to dig down into the treasure of self, you must break the container that holds all of that pride or arrogance of accomplishment. When you have released this structure, you will find that you are as vulnerable as a tiny kitten, such as the one that is snuggled up against this instrument’s ankle at this moment. Only when you have become as a tiny child, free of the burden of your wisdom, can you at last break the bunker of self-consciousness.

My brother, how deeply and how truly you seek to do that! And yet how clever are the many, many thoughts and strategies that will gladly entrain your intelligence and distract your will. These forces within you do not wish for you to open your heart. They like having full pockets. They do not want you to empty your pockets of these things which, to the surface personality, seem to suggest selfhood. Yet there is a powerful voice within you that says that this is not true consciousness. And you hunger for that.

What is the “I” of a person and of a soul? When consciousness itself is the “I” of you, then shall your heart be free to open and blossom and radiate infinitely. And from that perspective alone shall you at last be able to march from the sanctum sanctorum, fed and strengthened, in full knowledge of who you are for the first time and ready at last to do serious work upon balancing the wisdom which you offered to yourself as a gift and as catalyst.

You seek to wend your way from the penumbra of articulated thought to the daylight of love. We wish you every good fortune in your seeking and we commend you for your awareness of the basic situation.

Thanks for sticking with me through this.
   

(10-07-2020, 02:13 AM)Aion Wrote: I suppose I would say that perhaps "striving towards" is ultimately a misnomer, for 'we' already 'have it' and the entire effort is towards remembrance.

Quo Wrote:Q’uo: I am Q’uo and am aware of your query, my brother. If we understand the query correctly, the lessons of the seventh density are those which have been well-learned in all previous densities so that there is refinement within the seventh density that sees the love of the fourth density, balanced with the wisdom of the fifth density, producing a power of the sixth density, that allows the entity moving into the seventh density to begin to move back into complete unity with the One Infinite Creator through a process that may be seen to be endless in nature. This endless nature of the eternal present, then, becomes a kind of expansion of consciousness to include all of the one infinite creation for each seventh-density entity.