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RE: Fukusjima - unity100 - 06-18-2011
(06-18-2011, 04:36 PM)Oceania Wrote: Bridge, it does not go against it cuz the Ra material is from the 70s. a lot has happened since and the beings they saved/preserved were not in a worldwide nuclear disaster, it was a smaller event. if the planet were to be destroyed it's different. there's no mention of saving the planet.
thanks, Nega, yes i'm around London. lol i thought all UK was the same.
80s, to be precise.
there has been endless number of nuclear detonations have been done in this planet, for nuclear arms tests. this goes as close as a few years back.
there is no saying how many nuclear detonations caused the disintegration of the planet we know as maldek. it could be 10 detonations hitting critical places, it could be 500 detonations at the same time. it could be 50 detonations in a certain way.
the summary is - there has been a lot of detonations that have been made, multiples of what hiroshima was, and none of these have been prevented, up to 1981. there have been more detonations in between 1981 and 2011, and these were not prevented either.
RE: Fukusjima - Bring4th_Austin - 06-18-2011
(06-18-2011, 04:36 PM)Oceania Wrote: Bridge, it does not go against it cuz the Ra material is from the 70s. a lot has happened since and the beings they saved/preserved were not in a worldwide nuclear disaster, it was a smaller event. if the planet were to be destroyed it's different. there's no mention of saving the planet.
Doesn't change anything about the fact that Q'uo has stated specifically that they will not stop the destruction of the planet.
Before I spend the time to dig up the quotes, I have to ask if it will matter? I understand you trust David Wilcock, but would the fact that L/L Research's resources claim different to this day matter to you? If not, I'll save my time, if you want to be aware of all the information, I'll gladly find them.
RE: Fukusjima - 3DMonkey - 06-18-2011
Okay. I was thinking of posting this if it carried on.
Here is how to reconcile the DW vs. Ra.
Ra's perch is higher. This is a given.
DW is only the guy we know in our existence. This guy we know is in this timeline. Frankly, he is choosing this timeline that will manifest as "aliens preventing nuclear war". There is another timeline with a different DW who has a different outlook. We don't know that other timeline guy unless we jump over to that alternate/parallel existence.
Ra has a higher vantage point with a larger role to play. Imagine how many alternates and parallels have Ra contact material. Ra isn't as vested in a timeline as a guy with prediction business. Ra "has trouble with our time/space", and it's no wonder why. Imagine pinpointing a future timeline with time/space as your possibilities and the persons you are talking to have only one space/time thought process.
So, if you can see, both are correct
RE: Fukusjima - Bring4th_Austin - 06-18-2011
Not sure if that really reconciles 3DM. First, we aren't talking about Ra's predictions, but rather their statements on how far the Confederation will go to save us from a nuclear blast. They state that they will only go so far as to save our mind/body/spirit complexes, and will not interfere in preventing the actual blasts.
Are you suggesting that we live in a reality where the confederation will abridge free will to save us, but Ra thought they were talking to a reality where they wouldn't? Even if we knew that's how reality worked, I'm not sure I can see how this reconciles?
RE: Fukusjima - 3DMonkey - 06-18-2011
No. Removing active-entity-interference of free will as the topic.
DW is creating our reality by contributing to our collective.
I'm saying Ra is indicating all that you have pointed out. That, because of that, there could be an "alternate" where DW has the exact opposite opinion (to make a dramatic example, if I may).
Whether he is "right" or "wrong", he is creating. Whether we "agree" or "disagree", we are creating.
So, even if DW is completely "wrong", he is still "right" for being "wrong".
See?
RE: Fukusjima - Bring4th_Austin - 06-18-2011
I'd be inclined to agree with that David Wilcock :p
Unfortunately, he's not our David Wilcock, and I can't get behind him.
(06-18-2011, 10:46 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Whether he is "right" or "wrong", he is creating. Whether we "agree" or "disagree", we are creating.
So, even if DW is completely "wrong", he is still "right" for being "wrong".
See?
I see, and understand. But I personally have questions on whether or not David Wilcock's "aliens as saviors" bit is healthy for our progression towards self-empowerment, self-responsibility, understanding free will, and my personal favorite, open interaction with ET societies.
RE: Fukusjima - 3DMonkey - 06-18-2011
(06-18-2011, 10:48 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: I'd be inclined to agree with that David Wilcock :p
Unfortunately, he's not our David Wilcock, and I can't get behind him.
No worries.
Even if I was his bff, and I sat down with him and said "dude, what are you doing? I'm not sure you are taking the proper approach", I couldn't change him. We can't change people.
Even if I don't "get behind" someone (which I, also, don't in this instance), I'm still required to stand beside them, kinda, as it is the choice I made. By standing beside you, I can have great convo that goes "dude, what are you doing?"
RE: Fukusjima - Bring4th_Austin - 06-18-2011
(06-18-2011, 10:56 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Even if I don't "get behind" someone (which I, also, don't in this instance), I'm still required to stand beside them
Well put. But you're not required, you make that choice out of love, and it's a humble reminder coming from you, someone who believes they're 3D bound.
RE: Fukusjima - unity100 - 06-19-2011
now u.s. govt ordered a blackout for its own crippled nebraska plant.
http://www.myweathertech.com/2011/06/17/us-orders-news-blackout-over-crippled-nebraska-nuclear-plant/
RE: Fukusjima - Richard - 06-20-2011
(06-19-2011, 07:18 PM)unity100 Wrote: now u.s. govt ordered a blackout for its own crippled nebraska plant.
http://www.myweathertech.com/2011/06/17/us-orders-news-blackout-over-crippled-nebraska-nuclear-plant/
I guess if one wants to live in the fantasy world of questionable websites, this one is a good place to start. Proceed to Above Top Secret for a real mix of conspiracy fiction.
Now for a bit of real life. No American Presidency could contain a story like this. And if they even tried, it would be politcal suicide...and if Obama is anything...he's a politician.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/06/19/missouri-levees-breached-by-water-releases/
http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/06/08/nebraska.plant.alert/index.html?iref=allsearch
Richard
RE: Fukusjima - Bring4th_Austin - 06-20-2011
Did you say "now for a bit of real life" and then link articles on FOX NEWS and CNN?????
Woooooow.
RE: Fukusjima - Richard - 06-20-2011
(06-20-2011, 11:28 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Did you say "now for a bit of real life" and then link articles on FOX NEWS and CNN?????
Woooooow.
You prefer Unity's source? What news source do "you" suggest Ab? Both sources I cited are slanted..politically speaking....180 degrees from each other. Yet both are reporting essentially the same story.
Richard
(06-20-2011, 12:03 PM)Richard Wrote:(06-20-2011, 11:28 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Did you say "now for a bit of real life" and then link articles on FOX NEWS and CNN?????
Woooooow.
You prefer Unity's source? What news source do "you" suggest Ab? Both sources I cited are slanted..politically speaking....180 degrees from each other. Yet both are reporting essentially the same story.
Richard
But...okay...fair enough
Local News Feed / 1 hr ago....
http://www.9and10news.com/Category/Story/?id=294632&cID=1
Richard
RE: Fukusjima - Bring4th_Austin - 06-20-2011
(06-20-2011, 12:03 PM)Richard Wrote:(06-20-2011, 11:28 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Did you say "now for a bit of real life" and then link articles on FOX NEWS and CNN?????
Woooooow.
You prefer Unity's source? What news source do "you" suggest Ab? Both sources I cited are slanted..politically speaking....180 degrees from each other. Yet both are reporting essentially the same story.
Richard
(06-20-2011, 12:03 PM)Richard Wrote:(06-20-2011, 11:28 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Did you say "now for a bit of real life" and then link articles on FOX NEWS and CNN?????
Woooooow.
You prefer Unity's source? What news source do "you" suggest Ab? Both sources I cited are slanted..politically speaking....180 degrees from each other. Yet both are reporting essentially the same story.
Richard
But...okay...fair enough
Local News Feed / 1 hr ago....
http://www.9and10news.com/Category/Story/?id=294632&cID=1
Richard
I don't prefer unity's source to either of those, for sure. The article is based on a report which is nowhere to be found in any of the sources listed...the only thing I was really able to confirm is that the FAA is enforcing a no-fly zone above the plant without saying why ("secret security reasons" was the statement given...).But, I personally feel like the difference in "political slant" between the news stations are played up to give people the illusion that they have a choice in what they can trust. I know that it's reaching into conspiracy territory, but the American news media operates mainly as corporate propaganda, and the person at the top of the corporate chain is always going to protect their power, which most always means bowing to/working with political power, even if that means keeping a story quiet.
Local news is almost always affiliated with the corporate news chains, such as the one you mentioned was CBS affiliated.
I'm not saying unity's source is reliable, I was just commenting on the relative reliability of sources like Fox News and CNN to sources like unity's. I don't feel there's much of a difference.
RE: Fukusjima - Oceania - 06-20-2011
i think Fox is great.
RE: Fukusjima - Richard - 06-20-2011
(06-20-2011, 01:29 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote:(06-20-2011, 12:03 PM)Richard Wrote:(06-20-2011, 11:28 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Did you say "now for a bit of real life" and then link articles on FOX NEWS and CNN?????
Woooooow.
You prefer Unity's source? What news source do "you" suggest Ab? Both sources I cited are slanted..politically speaking....180 degrees from each other. Yet both are reporting essentially the same story.
Richard
(06-20-2011, 12:03 PM)Richard Wrote:(06-20-2011, 11:28 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Did you say "now for a bit of real life" and then link articles on FOX NEWS and CNN?????
Woooooow.
You prefer Unity's source? What news source do "you" suggest Ab? Both sources I cited are slanted..politically speaking....180 degrees from each other. Yet both are reporting essentially the same story.
Richard
But...okay...fair enough
Local News Feed / 1 hr ago....
http://www.9and10news.com/Category/Story/?id=294632&cID=1
Richard
But, I personally feel like the difference in "political slant" between the news stations are played up to give people the illusion that they have a choice in what they can trust. I know that it's reaching into conspiracy territory, but the American news media operates mainly as corporate propaganda, and the person at the top of the corporate chain is always going to protect their power, which most always means bowing to/working with political power, even if that means keeping a story quiet.
Local news is almost always affiliated with the corporate news chains, such as the one you mentioned was CBS affiliated.
I'm not saying unity's source is reliable, I was just commenting on the relative reliability of sources like Fox News and CNN to sources like unity's. I don't feel there's much of a difference.
Ok...to each thier own. My life views are far less conspiracy oriented. If you don't believe 2 major news feeds and any local affiliates, where do you go for what you believe to be reliable news sources?
I read FOX and CNN as well as MSNBC...and then there various newsfeeds of Reuters & the BBC available through Google. As far as I can tell, none of them are reporting anything even close to the original claims. From a purely human standpoint..any one of those organizations would jump at the chance of breaking a story like this.
Which makes me doubt its veracity.
Richard
RE: Fukusjima - Oceania - 06-20-2011
i go tto al jazeera and russia today. i don't think they're lumi controlled.
RE: Fukusjima - Bring4th_Austin - 06-20-2011
(06-20-2011, 01:50 PM)Richard Wrote: Ok...to each thier own. My life views are far less conspiracy oriented. If you don't believe 2 major news feeds and any local affiliates, where do you go for what you believe to be reliable news sources?
I read FOX and CNN as well as MSNBC...and then there various newsfeeds of Reuters & the BBC available through Google. As far as I can tell, none of them are reporting anything even close to the original claims. From a purely human standpoint..any one of those organizations would jump at the chance of breaking a story like this.
Which makes me doubt its veracity.
Richard
It doesn't seem like too far of a stretch for me to think that a mult-billionaire corporate head would protect his political standing, especially with the president, by ordering a blackout or even false reporting for a specific story such as this.
It also doesn't seem like too far of a stretch for Obama to push something like this considering his major pushes for nuclear power and his own stake in America's nuclear power program ("Nuclear operator Exelon Corporation has been among Barack Obama's biggest campaign donors, and is one of the largest employers in Illinois where Obama was senator. Exelon has donated more than $269,000 to his political campaigns, thus far. Obama also appointed Exelon CEO John Rowe to his Blue Ribbon Commission on America's Nuclear Future." Doesn't appointing a CEO of a Nuclear operator company as the head of a commission which determine's America's nuclear future seem like a conflict of interest? And that's only the information we know).
Am I saying that it is a true story? Absolutely not.
Do I feel like it is within possibility? Absolutely.
I don't have a source I completely trust for news. And it's not because I'm paranoid or anything...I don't believe in the Illuminati or some far-reaching secret organization that controls everything. And I'm not saying you can't trust anything at all you see on Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, Local News, etc...but no matter what, there's some distortion, some subjectivity, some bias, and someone protecting themselves through whatever pressures or influences are at play.
I would like to say Al Jazeera is trustworthy, because I like their style of reporting and they seem to have great coverage which seems undistorted, but they're owned by the State of Qatar, which is an absolute monarchy...too much room for influence in my eyes.
RE: Fukusjima - unity100 - 06-20-2011
(06-20-2011, 01:50 PM)Richard Wrote: I read FOX and CNN as well as MSNBC...and then there various newsfeeds of Reuters & the BBC
all of them, belong to the same bunch of people who are meeting in switzerland as of now.
(06-20-2011, 02:44 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: It doesn't seem like too far of a stretch for me to think that a mult-billionaire corporate head would protect his political standing, especially with the president, by ordering a blackout or even false reporting for a specific story such as this.
they dont need to blackout. they can just water it down, and then report less and less and make it forgotten like what cnn did to fukushima incident. even while the situation was worsening.
Quote:It also doesn't seem like too far of a stretch for Obama to push something like this considering his major pushes for nuclear power and his own stake in America's nuclear power program
the regulatory agencies were apparently reducing the safety levels by working with nuclear lobby for decades, allowing perilous old reactors to keep on functioning.
RE: Fukusjima - Richard - 06-20-2011
Sure glad you guys are bit players in my universe though. I suspect my doppelganger in yours is having quite a bit less fun.
Richard
RE: Fukusjima - unity100 - 06-20-2011
(06-20-2011, 04:10 PM)Richard Wrote: Sure glad you guys are bit players in my universe though. I suspect my doppelganger in yours is having quite a bit less fun.
the above sentence does not compute.
http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/11/06/20/1540233/AP-Investigation-Concludes-US-Nuke-Regulators-Weakening-Safety-Rules
RE: Fukusjima - 3DMonkey - 06-20-2011
(06-20-2011, 06:43 PM)unity100 Wrote:(06-20-2011, 04:10 PM)Richard Wrote: Sure glad you guys are bit players in my universe though. I suspect my doppelganger in yours is having quite a bit less fun.
the above sentence does not compute.
doppleganger is pulling his hair out while restricted to solitary confinement
RE: Fukusjima - zenmaster - 06-20-2011
(06-20-2011, 06:43 PM)unity100 Wrote:He's referring to the models that we necessarily create for the universe (the way 'things are') and for others. I'm also less of a conspiracy reacher, even though it's more fun to imagine.(06-20-2011, 04:10 PM)Richard Wrote: Sure glad you guys are bit players in my universe though. I suspect my doppelganger in yours is having quite a bit less fun.
the above sentence does not compute.
RE: Fukusjima - Bring4th_Austin - 06-20-2011
(06-20-2011, 08:24 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(06-20-2011, 06:43 PM)unity100 Wrote:He's referring to the models that we necessarily create for the universe (the way 'things are') and for others. I'm also less of a conspiracy reacher, even though it's more fun to imagine.(06-20-2011, 04:10 PM)Richard Wrote: Sure glad you guys are bit players in my universe though. I suspect my doppelganger in yours is having quite a bit less fun.
the above sentence does not compute.
I don't believe in conspiracies of the nature I described, but I acknowledge the possibility.
Such as, I don't believe that the Nebraska plant is having a major meltdown with the information presented, but I don't deny that not only is the story possible, but it's also possible for a media blackout or "downplay" such as described by the article unity linked.
Ra was also a bit of a conspiracy theorist:
Quote:8.11 Questioner: Would this type of craft come close to solving many of the energy problems as far as transport goes?
Ra: I am Ra. The technology your peoples possess at this time is capable of resolving each and every limitation which plagues your social memory complex at this present nexus of experience. However, the concerns of some of your beings with distortions towards what you would call powerful energy cause these solutions to be withheld until the solutions are so needed that those with the distortion can then become further distorted in the direction of power.
I don't like this conspiracy
.
RE: Fukusjima - 3DMonkey - 06-20-2011
I don't think conspiracies are cut-and-dried, black-and-white. I think it all happens organically. Much like if you took a family and placed them in positions of decision making for 1million+ people. Family dynamics would certainly transpose into policies.
Like the Pritchets http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1442437/
or the Bluths http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0367279/
RE: Fukusjima - Oceania - 06-21-2011
CNN tried to make people think Ron Paul lost to Mitt Fricken Romney, who do they think they are? oh wait.
RE: Fukusjima - Richard - 06-21-2011
I think part of the problem with the whole Illuminati / Elite Conspiracy thing is the tendency to paint entire organizations with one broad brush. For example FOX...people say.."Oh..look..Rupert Murdoch..he is an Illuminati!"
Therefore "anyone" associated with the companies owned by Rupert Murdoch are controlled by the Illuminati. Every single journalist, copy editor, editor, photographer, janitor or any other job associated with FOX or any of it affiliates is thoroughly controlled by the CEO who is controlled by the Elite. And that personal integrity does not exist on an individual basis.
I don't believe that. FOX...or CNN...or "insert news org of choice"...are full of good people doing good work. No doubt, politically speaking, some are slanted one way or the other. But I have faith enough in my fellow humans to know that if there was a massive cover-up like described in the original post, that someone would retain enough integrity to step up and do the right thing.
Richard
RE: Fukusjima - Oceania - 06-21-2011
no they're not controlled, just stopped. the elite stops them from making news that are 100% truth. the anchors are good people, the producers even... but the one who gives the orders, is not. if you don't believe that, have a hppy life in your smurfworld.
and i say this as someone who loves Sky TV.
but yeah, i realize the news aren't reliable.
RE: Fukusjima - Richard - 06-21-2011
(06-21-2011, 11:17 AM)Oceania Wrote: no they're not controlled, just stopped. the elite stops them from making news that are 100% truth. the anchors are good people, the producers even... but the one who gives the orders, is not. if you don't believe that, have a hppy life in your smurfworld.
and i say this as someone who loves Sky TV.
Oceania,
How can you even support those statements? How does the Elite stop anyone from following their own convictions? How do you know who gives what orders to whom and if they are..or are not "good" people?
Thats exactly what I'm talking about...thousands of people pre-judged and painted with a broad paintbrush to fit a single entity's unsupported worldview. To be fair...humans have been doing this since time began.
But aren't we trying to move beyond that? Isn't that the whole point of awakening? To attempt to see each other as us?...as one?...as divine in their own right?
Richard
RE: Fukusjima - Oceania - 06-21-2011
i'm not painting anyone, i'm just saying how things are. you know about the bilderberg meetings? rockefellers, zionists etc. if you don't believe in that, fine. like i said, happy smurfworld.
unfortunately i believe in them.
RE: Fukusjima - Richard - 06-21-2011
Conspiracy Theory - A swirling maelstrom of websites, youtube videos, shady authors and hucksters whose sole goal is to separate you from the cash in your pocketbook. Eventually, they all ask for a donation.
P.T.Barnum was right.
Richard