(10-18-2011, 09:33 AM)zenmaster Wrote: "I know, I have many different views on what the material is. One of these views is that emotions are never to be overcome, but fully experienced. Even when catalyst is no longer needed, I claim there is still emotion expressed within that experience of not needed that catalyst. "

Emotions can be expressed as an unconscious reaction to catalyst (unknown self). They can also be a conscious affectation of understanding (known self) within the constraints of the density, that is. The purpose of 3rd density is to become aware of self to a certain extent - to form that rough sculpture of the personality out of the blueprint of the logos. In 3rd density, we are essentially forming, through removal of distortion with acceptance and balance, a unique expression of the logos. That logos is that 'love', it is 'this', which is indeed felt as a conscious affectation.

Would not be too quick to assume where we as readers are jumping gaps without providing examples. We all have different notions.

'Harvesting' is essentially a new body in a new location. 'Graduation' is a new core vibration - a 'density'.
For 4th density, there is little catalyst, and that is only during the initial period of forming a Social Memory Complex. In 4D, the entity carries full consciousness of all prior lifetimes, and has a completely different type of awareness.

Most catalyst has already been processed in 3D - hence moving up the subdensities of 3D as catalyst is processed and self is integrated. At a certain point, in 4D, self is conscious enough to become an individual - a requirement to participate in an Social Memory Complex.

(10-18-2011, 07:33 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: I would like to discuss my views pertaining to Ra's quotes above. I hesitate because it doesn't seem like you've entered as a student. Not that I suppose myself your teacher, but I'm not going to go into detail presenting my view of these quotes unless you care to listen.

(10-18-2011, 10:32 AM)3DMonkey Wrote:

(10-18-2011, 09:33 AM)zenmaster Wrote: "I know, I have many different views on what the material is. One of these views is that emotions are never to be overcome, but fully experienced. Even when catalyst is no longer needed, I claim there is still emotion expressed within that experience of not needed that catalyst. "

Emotions can be expressed as an unconscious reaction to catalyst (unknown self). They can also be a conscious affectation of understanding (known self) within the constraints of the density, that is. The purpose of 3rd density is to become aware of self to a certain extent - to form that rough sculpture of the personality out of the blueprint of the logos. In 3rd density, we are essentially forming, through removal of distortion with acceptance and balance, a unique expression of the logos. That logos is that 'love', it is 'this', which is indeed felt as a conscious affectation.

Would not be too quick to assume where we as readers are jumping gaps without providing examples. We all have different notions.

'Harvesting' is essentially a new body in a new location. 'Graduation' is a new core vibration - a 'density'.
For 4th density, there is little catalyst, and that is only during the initial period of forming a Social Memory Complex. In 4D, the entity carries full consciousness of all prior lifetimes, and has a completely different type of awareness.

Most catalyst has already been processed in 3D - hence moving up the subdensities of 3D as catalyst is processed and self is integrated. At a certain point, in 4D, self is conscious enough to become an individual - a requirement to participate in an Social Memory Complex.

Highlighted is the gap I refer to.

(10-18-2011, 09:27 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: As catalyst is processed of the moment, the experiential entity of that moment, moving through all colors of vibration reaching to indigo becomes harvested befitting its acquired vibrational application.

IMO.

To associate this with a perception of self that will continue on, entering a new body, is making a leap, a subjective leap or a projection leap, by the reader.

(10-18-2011, 09:39 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: I poured over it today. As I see it, it is quite clear that an "harvested entity" is quite the abstract rendering and not synonymous with a mind/body/spirit complex.

Furthermore, apply the material unto itself as an expression of "The Creator", an expression of all that there is, an expression of intelligent infinity, an expression of the source of Ra, it is evident that Ra expresses the very nature of the human mind, all that there is, the creator.

(10-17-2011, 10:24 AM)3DMonkey Wrote:

(10-17-2011, 09:21 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Ra also says that balance is key to being harvested. Without proper balance, we cannot handle the appropriate amount of light to advance to 4th density, and will repeat a 3rd density cycle again. I'll find this quote tonight too. That is, if you wish to see these parts of the material.

Yes, please do.

(10-18-2011, 10:04 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(10-18-2011, 09:39 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: I poured over it today. As I see it, it is quite clear that an "harvested entity" is quite the abstract rendering and not synonymous with a mind/body/spirit complex.

Furthermore, apply the material unto itself as an expression of "The Creator", an expression of all that there is, an expression of intelligent infinity, an expression of the source of Ra, it is evident that Ra expresses the very nature of the human mind, all that there is, the creator.

"mind/body/spirit complexes" are conscious, self-aware entities such as humans.

"mind/body/spirit complexes harvested from fourth density."

"The population of your planet contains many various groups harvested from other second-dimension and cycled third-dimension spheres."

"10.9 Questioner: When graduation occurs at the end of a cycle, and entities are moved from one planet to another, by what means do they go to a new planet?

In the scheme of the Creator, the first step of the mind/body/spirit/totality/beingness is to place its mind/body/spirit complex distortion in the proper place of love/light. This is done to ensure proper healing of the complex and eventual attunement with the totality/beingness complex. This takes a very variable length of your time/space. After this is accomplished the experience of the cycle is dissolved and filtered until only the distillation of distortions in its pure form remains. At this time, the harvested mind/body/spirit/totality/beingness evaluates the density needs of its beingness and chooses the more appropriate new environment for either a repetition of the cycle or a moving forward into the next cycle. This is the manner of the harvesting, guarded and watched over by many."

10.9 refers to the process which occurs after the death of the body.