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RE: An Introduction to the Tarot as taught by Ra - Shin'Ar - 02-20-2012 (02-20-2012, 10:33 PM)zenmaster Wrote: That's fine, but doesn't quite answer the question. Do you want the list of all or any particular decks that would pass the test? If you are unfamiliar with what I speak of, I would suggest you start by studying the ancient Egyptian symbols found on many of the Egyptian artifacts. The symbology is present throughout. And then compare what you find there with the Brotherhood of Light decks. However I would avoid the interpretation of The Sacred Tarot by CC. Zain in my opinion. RE: An Introduction to the Tarot as taught by Ra - zenmaster - 02-20-2012 If you are suggesting there is a purer, extant deck, I'm all ears. RE: An Introduction to the Tarot as taught by Ra - JustLikeYou - 02-20-2012 Zenmaster, I am assuming that Ra's historical account is accurate. If this is so, the original Egyptian deck -- as given by Ra to the priests -- is, of course, not available. The next best thing would be a deck which was personally stated by Ra to be reasonably similar. This would be the BoL deck and any like it. RE: An Introduction to the Tarot as taught by Ra - zenmaster - 02-20-2012 (02-20-2012, 11:23 PM)JustLikeYou Wrote: The next best thing would be a deck which was personally stated by Ra to be reasonably similar. This would be the BoL deck and any like it. Back when I was studying all this, I did notice BoL decks which varied in the level of detail pointed out by Don. For example, the bent leg of the sphinxes on the chariot card - some have both legs bent the same way, other depictions do not. Yet, at this seemingly gross level of detail, both presumably would be considered "reasonably similar". If that is indeed the case, then my take is the BoL card symbology is not "giving them a voice" as much as the accompanying instruction and their respective or relative depictions (on a "gross" level). RE: An Introduction to the Tarot as taught by Ra - JustLikeYou - 02-20-2012 You have a keen eye, zenmaster. It is at this point that I have found the necessity of satisfying myself with the closest deck I can find. My real concern is the cards whose symbols were not covered in detail by Don. While the ultimate deciding factor in choosing a deck was personal resonance, the nominal goal was to find a deck of cards that can be safely assumed to be within a reasonable tolerance of similarity to the original images given by Ra, so that I could move forward on archetypes 8-22 without too much concern for distractions and omissions concerning symbolism. I know they are present, but I'll just have to trust my intuition on this one. I get the impression that you doubt the usefulness of the deck based on the confused banter of C.C. Zane within his companion book. This is a very good point. And it is primarily this reason which gives me the feeling that it is not the "ultimate" deck for me. But it is the best I've got right now. RE: An Introduction to the Tarot as taught by Ra - Shin'Ar - 02-21-2012 Do not base the interpretations of another as the method of deciding the credibility of the deck. And certainly do not allow the criticism of one who is not able to make a connection with the cards be a dissuasion to you. If you are knowledgable of the symbols and can make a connection with the cards and the client, than you and they will know when it is revealed. RE: An Introduction to the Tarot as taught by Ra - JustLikeYou - 02-21-2012 My point is that Zain drew these depictions. While it is obvious that they are based on older images, his additions are certainly there. The Hanged Man, for example, is depicted with fruiting grape vines growing up and around the two trees from which the man hangs. I have not seen these grape vines in any other image. Facts like this make me wonder which symbols have been added and/or removed by someone who does not seem to grasp what it is he is depicting. Can you tell me, Shin'Ar, why you place such emphasis on the relationship between cards and client? There are many who do not use them for divination and still others who only divine for themselves and not others. RE: An Introduction to the Tarot as taught by Ra - BlatzAdict - 02-21-2012 (02-01-2012, 06:17 AM)plenum Wrote:(02-01-2012, 06:01 AM)sequoyah Wrote: The card that confuses me every time I receive it is the Tower. plenum can you please do this for all of the cards please please please? This. I feel you have broken into the main essence of each card, is exactly what I needed, I tried to go the other studious route with the royal road that Carla suggested, but it just wasn't floating my fancy. I don't care much for the astrological connection or the biblical connections. I just want to know the main idea so I can more easily apply it to my life, and plus this would be a great teaching tool! it's funny how then devil will signify the lack of light or the inward turning of light, selfishness, service to self, to contrast with the sun, who serves all. It's one big transition to go from sts to STO.. or rather unawakened sts, to awakened sto but please... do this for all the cards pleaseeeeeeeeeee RE: An Introduction to the Tarot as taught by Ra - Shin'Ar - 02-21-2012 (02-21-2012, 01:22 PM)JustLikeYou Wrote: Can you tell me, Shin'Ar, why you place such emphasis on the relationship between cards and client? There are many who do not use them for divination and still others who only divine for themselves and not others. my answer to your second question will also help to answer your first concern about Zain's imagery. Our entire universe is designed in such a way that fields of consciousness interact with each other and share information. Each of us is a field of consciousness interacting with the One Consciousness and with every other field that we come into contact with that is able to share with our own. These fields are interacting all around us all the time and when we become aware of this we can also attempt to direct and initiate these interactions. This is what many would call 'magic', and others psychic ability. But, in some cases we may not be aware of a particular interaction, yet this does not mean that it is not taking place. The electromagnetic field of the planet creates all sorts of reactions that we never see happening. And so when two fields of consciousness come together a sacred space of sharing information is created between them where they merge. This is known as the Mandorle. It has been symbolized throughout ancient history as the 'Eye", both because of the shape it creates between two circles and because it is actually the place where two consciousnesses see what is shared between them. The Catholics have perverted the Vesica Pisces to symbolize the Chrsitian fish sign of gathering a flock, the fishing of the Apostles. It was known for thousands of years prior to that as the Mandorle and the Eye of God. The Peacock Angel's tail plumage is the manifestation of the many eyes of God. This Sacred Space is what is created between the reader, the cards and the client. Each has its field of consciousness and all share in this natural connection and interaction. It seems supernatural to those who do not understand it. But to those who are intuitively sensitive it is very natural. This becomes the connection between reader and client that allows for intuitive sharing as well as interpretation of the cards if one is understanding of the true symbolism, and other schools of knowledge that are involved. Each degree of understanding and knowledge adds to the intensity of the sharing. This same sharing takes place even when we are not aware of it as I said earlier. And when someone has delved into that interaction through study they can be influenced subconsciously, and truth and memory can be shared even though the person has not been aware of the sharing. Zain may have redesigned the imagery but in this case that did not affect the vibratory symbolism of the card's intentions. I can attest to that personally. Many times such manipulation can deactivate the vibration of the cards. And many personal opinions can alter the entire purpose behind them. In Zain's case, I think his intentions were honest and his background and understanding sound enough that no harm was done. Much of what he teaches does resonate to a degree, but there is also much that he missed. And his lack of intuitive ability to properly interpret the symbolism does not mean that the true symbolism cannot still be seen in his design. It simply means that he could not translate it accurately. If one studies the Emerald Tablets one will easily see the corrolation between the initiate and the teacher. The symbolism was created for the purpose of leading the intitate ever so subtly, as were the ancient legends and tales that were infused with such symbolism. That purpose and system is part of an interaction that is far more powerful than the interferences of any one person. it is the vast interaction of a universe of memory and knowledge shared between fields as it has done for billions of years. As we learn to understand it, the connection becomes stronger within us. RE: An Introduction to the Tarot as taught by Ra - ergoneris - 07-12-2012 Here is my take on this wonderful teachings on the Tarot. My site is solely dedicated to this subject, feel free to comment, please... www.ergoneris.org RE: An Introduction to the Tarot as taught by Ra - Confused - 08-30-2012 (01-10-2012, 06:12 PM)plenum Wrote: The Law of One material recommends that we choose one system of study when it comes to dealing with archetypes. The choices that Ra presents to us are: Thank you for this very wonderful post, plenum! Only a far-advanced mind, dedicated to the study of all things spiritual can do such a beautifully simple analysis and presentation of a complicated subject. I find the Tarot too complex and in fact do not bother much about it all. However, your presentation cleared much stuff for me, in terms of intellectual understanding, at least. Thank you. RE: An Introduction to the Tarot as taught by Ra - AnthroHeart - 08-31-2012 If I recall correctly, tarot is for 3D understanding. When we go on to 4D and higher, there will be other teaching tools. I haven't been too focused on the study of archetypes. I guess I'm just trying to get the basics down first. RE: An Introduction to the Tarot as taught by Ra - fox17 - 01-08-2013 I have a hard time reading on the computer screen so I may have missed a reference to the following ideas in this thread, but in regard to plenum finding a connection between the 7 rungs (of the 3 ladders) and the 7 chakras, Ra did have the following to say: 78.31 Questioner: How about the seven bodily energy centers? Are they related to archetypes in some way? Ra: I am Ra. The same may be said of these. It is informative to view the relationships but stifling to insist upon the limitations of congruency. Recall at all times, if you would use this term, that the archetypes are a portion of the resources of the mind complex. Right before that Don asked and Ra stated: 78.30 Questioner: Are the seven archetypes for mind a function of or related to the seven densities that are to be experienced in the octave? Ra: I am Ra. The relationship is tangential in that no congruency may be seen. However, the progress through the archetypes has some of the characteristics of the progress through the densities. These relationships may be viewed without being, shall we say, pasted one upon the other. This upward progress also fits the ladder concept. Sorry if this material is repetition or out of context. I'm very new at this online forum idea but I'd like to get involved with it. I too find myself making connections between things in this world and the chakras and the densities and will look more at how the archetypes might relate to each of them. RE: An Introduction to the Tarot as taught by Ra - ilindahrox - 01-19-2013 The Tarot has followed me throughout my life up this point over and above all the other 'tools' that have also been of interest i.e. astrology, numerology, etc. It wasn't until the beginning of 2012 i decided that i was going to enroll in a tarot workshop where i can learn the basics alongside a small intimate group (6-8 total) of other tarot enthusiasts. this was an amazing experience for me where i could see a broader interpretation of the same set of cards and developing my own 'feel' for the cards reading with my own signs, insights, etc that the others may not have picked up either. For years have been preparing to develop my own unique set of tarot cards (major arcana) using my own culture, legends, ancestry, symbols, mythology, etc Ans before my first workshop i wanted to get a tarot card reading from the actual tutor who was teaching the classes. so i booked an appointment and asked my ancestors, spirit guides and guardian angels to walk with me. i told them that if she was the one they had guided me to, then she will pick it up on her own without me telling her. so i arrived to the reading. she and i went into her room. and just as i was about to sit down she took this big gasp for air and blurted out, "OMG! you will be developing your own deck and im supposed to help you!!" i said yes i am, now lets do a reading and sign me up for a tarot workshop asap. since, the journey has been amazing. i have used the 24 clock to also help me remember the major arcanas...e.g. when it was 2o'clock. i'd go, oh its the priestess o'clock...7o'clock was the chariot o'clock, etc this made it fun...and i tell you it STUCK in no time. plus i made sure that i had my own time with each card to feel for myself and build a personal relationship with each before understanding the interpretations in the tarot bible, etc and yes i have noticed that every reading i've given so far for others, they feel different and specific to the individual. i also make it a point to have the client interact with their own spread...where depending on how i feel, i ask them to interpret their own cards first...then i fine-tune the reading. this gives them confidence within themselves to trust their own feelings, inner guidance, etc reminding them that the 'tarot' is a mirror like everything else in their experience...this they can open up to the symbols, signs, all around them. its a wonderful approach. sometimes...i flip one card and i feel thats all they need in that moment. my $0.02 ![]() RE: An Introduction to the Tarot as taught by Ra - DynamicBri - 03-12-2018 ![]() Licence: Commercial use with modification. RE: An Introduction to the Tarot as taught by Ra - Plenum - 03-12-2018 very nice Bri! The only thing is - in my mental image - I have the mental ladder in the middle, and the Body ladder on the left. So the mind as the central core. Just my own personal image though ![]() / / I do it that way, because the mind is the central concept. And a quick shift left (to the body), or quick shift right (to the spirit) enables it to connect with those other 2 modalities of beingness. It also then captures the movement from right to left (spirit --> mind --> body) of the energies of manifestation. From Session 2 There are crystals which work upon the energies coming into the spiritual body; there are crystals which work upon the distortions from spirit to mind; there are crystals which balance the distortions between the mind and the body. All of these crystal healings are charged through purified channels. RE: An Introduction to the Tarot as taught by Ra - AstralOrphan - 03-12-2018 Thank you, Plenum! This was very insightful and has inspired me to pick up my deck again and continue to study. I was wondering, a deck of Tarot cards is typically 78 cards, the Major Arcana comprising of 21/22, and the Minor Arcana is the other 56 - does Ra mention the Minor Arcana? Or do you have any insights to offer about the rest of the Tarot cards? Love + Light ~ RE: An Introduction to the Tarot as taught by Ra - Jade - 03-12-2018 (03-12-2018, 10:39 AM)AstralOrphan Wrote: Thank you, Plenum! This was very insightful and has inspired me to pick up my deck again and continue to study. Hi AstralOrphan! Ra says that the Minor Arcana were added much later than the original Major Arcana that Ra gave to the Egyptians, and that they are generally used for astrological/predictive purposes. Quote:88.22 Questioner: Were the Court Arcana and the Minor Arcana a portion of Ra’s teachings or was this something that came along later? RE: An Introduction to the Tarot as taught by Ra - DynamicBri - 03-12-2018 I am Brian. This is an helpful comment. I thank you. (03-12-2018, 07:52 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: very nice Bri! RE: An Introduction to the Tarot as taught by Ra - Plenum - 03-12-2018 no probs Brian ![]() RE: An Introduction to the Tarot as taught by Ra - Plenum - 03-12-2018 (03-12-2018, 10:39 AM)AstralOrphan Wrote: Thank you, Plenum! This was very insightful and has inspired me to pick up my deck again and continue to study. Hi there AstralOrphan! I think Jade already answered the bulk of your question. And that was the Ra quote that came to mind for me as well. In terms of the second part of your question, no, I haven't really delved into the Minor Arcana much. Well - I did explore it some, when I first got into the tarot and was utterly entranced by this organized system. After all, it's the root of the modern gambling deck of cards, used for blackjack and poker, and whatnot. So yeah, nothing really to offer there. Although - you probably already know this - but the elements of the Cups, Wands, Discs, and Swords is extremely profound. And so really saturating yourself in the archetypal resonances of each of those Minor Arcana cards has the potential to identify balances/imbalances in the psyche. Ie, being quite sensitive to which Understandings are subtlely attractive or repulsive on a deeper level. RE: An Introduction to the Tarot as taught by Ra - DynamicBri - 03-13-2018 How would I elegantly put The Fool card in this illustration? And perhaps I could add an array of key symbols next to each card label as vector art. ![]() RE: An Introduction to the Tarot as taught by Ra - Plenum - 03-13-2018 (03-13-2018, 03:33 AM)DynamicBri Wrote: How would I elegantly put The Fool card in this illustration? I personally put it above card 7, and label it card 22. That way, it exemplifies that it's the 'crown', and that the Choice/Fool is whole intent/purpose behind moving through these archetypes. Alternatively, it could be Card 0, and sit below the Magician, and have it as a 'starting point', which is how the traditional Major/Minor Arcana is arranged. But I think having it as 22 gives it the most prominent position. And doesn't really mean that it's the 'end point'. The Choice is an ongoing, moment-by-moment thing. In how we choose to relate to ourselves. Having it at 22 also makes it easy to pair with the Significators: which is how Ra recommended that further investigations could happen (pairing certain types of cards, I mean). (03-13-2018, 03:33 AM)DynamicBri Wrote: And perhaps I could add an array of key symbols next to each card label as vector art. <thumbs up> RE: An Introduction to the Tarot as taught by Ra - Cobrien - 03-19-2018 The tarot is a good blueprint for shaping the astral light. Something to consider is the haunting effect, Ra mentions. Also when Ra talks about the sexual biases in the cards he means it. Kabbalah has more easily discerned correspondences due to the distortion of the tarot images. Inner transformation is easily approached by holding the paired card to the intending aspect and seeking the antithesis thru the other card. Often since the tarot was developed with far more harmonious relationships the sexual bias is apparent. Rather than have a clear visual of the image getting the gist which functions to shuttle energy is more important. It is my personal belief not to care too much about metaphysical concepts. I feel much has been overly assigned and classified. The emotional hue of a concept is easily lost to the conscious or rather never found. RE: An Introduction to the Tarot as taught by Ra - Joyful Soul - 04-26-2018 Hi Bring4th_Plenum, Thank you for your summary of Ra's material on Tarot. Recently I've started looking into this topic and I find your post to be very helpful. Once again, thank you. Wish love and light, Joyful Soul RE: An Introduction to the Tarot as taught by Ra - kenney - 06-05-2018 If i may add, from my perspective having graduated from the Church of Light and having mastered their way before moving on. Studying the tarot as it is presented by Zain may be the single MOST (and i can not emphasize this enough) MOST worthwhile en devour anyone can take if they are attempting to unravel the Ra books for their own personal development. I found them (by then the Church of Light of course) in the late nineties, when I told Carla how lonely I was and I had reached my limit of learning alone, it was her suggestion. As an aside back then the only way I could get the Ra books was to write to L&L a letter and request a book, so I ended up sending a doantion with these big long letters telling why I was always loosing the first book giving it away to people hoping to make a friend to study with. out of fear of becoming part of some crazy cult...i waited about 15 years to take her advice ![]() The following list are things that popped into my mind as I read all of the previous posts in this thread.
RE: An Introduction to the Tarot as taught by Ra - Plenum - 06-05-2018 Thanks for the thoughts there kenney. There's nothing like experience to offer a seasoned perspective. Blessings. RE: An Introduction to the Tarot as taught by Ra - Osiris_Phoenix - 04-28-2020 (01-10-2012, 06:12 PM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: The Law of One material recommends that we choose one system of study when it comes to dealing with archetypes. The choices that Ra presents to us are: RE: An Introduction to the Tarot as taught by Ra - Osiris_Phoenix - 04-28-2020 Which tarot is used/suggested by Ra? I would like to purchase the same one to study them. Thanks RE: An Introduction to the Tarot as taught by Ra - flofrog - 04-28-2020 Osiris_Phoenix, welcome here. I am using the Brotherhood of Light Egyptian Tarot. It is published by the Church of Light Albuquerque, NM. It’s quite beautiful and you can find it online. The cards have the later additions that Ra talks about that one should not pay attention to when studying them. I think it was Plenum who counseled on that one. It’s great for study. Quite beautiful. Best wishes, ![]() |