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RE: The undeniable truth of Darkness and STS - native - 03-21-2012
I'm really baffled as to why you think others are walking down the path of darkness. Everyone here agrees that the darkness is not "ok"..as in it is not our chosen service. What we accept though, is that the negative polarity is a metaphysical trait of reality, that we are it also, and that is "ok".
Everyone here acknowledges and agrees on this for instance..
Quote:At the level of time/space at which this takes place in the form of what you may call thought-war, the most accepting and loving energy would be to so love those who wished to manipulate that those entities were surrounded and engulfed, transformed by positive energies.
This, however, being a battle of equals, the Confederation is aware that it cannot, on equal footing, allow itself to be manipulated in order to remain purely positive, for then though pure it would not be of any consequence, having been placed by the so-called powers of darkness under the heel, as you may say.
It is thus that those who deal with this thought-war must be defensive rather than accepting in order to preserve their usefulness in service to others.
RE: The undeniable truth of Darkness and STS - Shin'Ar - 03-21-2012
(03-21-2012, 12:00 AM)Icaro Wrote: I'm really baffled as to why you think others are walking down the path of darkness. Everyone here agrees that the darkness is not "ok"..as in it is not our chosen service. What we accept though, is that the negative polarity is a metaphysical trait of reality, that we are it also, and that is "ok".
Everyone here acknowledges and agrees on this for instance..
Quote:At the level of time/space at which this takes place in the form of what you may call thought-war, the most accepting and loving energy would be to so love those who wished to manipulate that those entities were surrounded and engulfed, transformed by positive energies.
This, however, being a battle of equals, the Confederation is aware that it cannot, on equal footing, allow itself to be manipulated in order to remain purely positive, for then though pure it would not be of any consequence, having been placed by the so-called powers of darkness under the heel, as you may say.
It is thus that those who deal with this thought-war must be defensive rather than accepting in order to preserve their usefulness in service to others.
Than you have not been talking with the same people that I have Icaro. My discussions have shown me otherwise.
RE: The undeniable truth of Darkness and STS - native - 03-21-2012
You're experiencing some kind of misinterpretation in communication. Everyone here promotes love, and condemns the negativity on the planet.
Ask direct questions if that's what you need to hear. Ask others if they would manipulate, control, or commit some other kind of negative act. I think where you get confused is when you hear others saying negativity is "ok", but no one is participating in negative acts personally, nor are they considering it.
RE: The undeniable truth of Darkness and STS - Monica - 03-21-2012
(03-21-2012, 12:14 AM)Icaro Wrote: You're experiencing some kind of misinterpretation in communication. Everyone here promotes love, and condemns the negativity on the planet.
I don't want to speak for Shin'Ar, but from the little bit I've read from his/her posts, it seems that s/he is concerned about what s/he perceives as an over-eagerness to be accommodating to self-professed STS entities, as well as a fascination with the STS path, to the degree that it may lead to falling prey to deception. S/he isn't the first to express such a concern. I recall a very heated debate between unity100 and a few others, about whether one could trust the info from a source who was admittedly STS. :exclamation:
RE: The undeniable truth of Darkness and STS - native - 03-21-2012
I see. I don't see any being accommodating face to face. One certainly has to guard their mind though.
RE: The undeniable truth of Darkness and STS - Monica - 03-21-2012
(03-21-2012, 01:05 AM)Icaro Wrote: I see. I don't see any being accommodating face to face. One certainly has to guard their mind though.
That's just it. An internet discussion forum isn't face-to-face, so it's easy to be accommodating. Not so easy in everyday life.
RE: The undeniable truth of Darkness and STS - Cyan - 03-21-2012
(03-21-2012, 12:14 AM)Icaro Wrote: You're experiencing some kind of misinterpretation in communication. Everyone here promotes love, and condemns the negativity on the planet.
Ask direct questions if that's what you need to hear. Ask others if they would manipulate, control, or commit some other kind of negative act. I think where you get confused is when you hear others saying negativity is "ok", but no one is participating in negative acts personally, nor are they considering it.
I do have a question.
How do you spread love and condemn the application of it in how this planet is run by love at the same time?
Or do you believe that this planet is controlled by negativity, if so, what does that say about you, do you choose to be negative too (conform to the norm or serve the community that seeks to be negative by helping it be more negative) or do you seek to stand out (save the norm from being negative).
I've started to think that the harvest might be a surprise for many.
Thoughts?
RE: The undeniable truth of Darkness and STS - Ankh - 03-21-2012
Woaw... I just still have difficulties to get it....
(03-20-2012, 10:19 PM)ShinAr Wrote: I had hoped that some of these members here who have been avoiding the discussion and trying deperately to sidestep all around might attack that thread thinking they were my words and catch themselves in a trap where they would actually be denying the teaching of hatonn and Latwii.
(03-20-2012, 02:20 PM)Ankh Wrote:Shin'Ar Wrote:Does that mean that you acknowledge that there are some on this planet who relish the darkness and try to impose it on us
That's what STS entities do.
Shin'Ar Wrote:and deceieve us about it?
Yes.
Not saying that you are an STS entity, Shin'Ar. But I am shocked by your approach to this matter.
Shin'Ar Wrote:I suspect they knew what I had in mind right from the start and that is why tyhey wouldn't go there.
so my plan did not work.
I had no idea of your plan. I never read the Brown notebook. I never seen these messages before.
Deception... An attempt of trying to trap... That's a service to self approach to spread the message, my brother...
Shin'Ar Wrote:I am not here to be liked by you. I am here to love you and try to tell you what I have found here in the place.
You know, I had STS discussions with unity100, and other very passionate members about condemning the STS path, and I also had discussions with Zaxon and other alleged STS entities on this forum, but never once did I feel this bitter aftertaste in my mouth that I feel now. This is not about you. You choose your own path.
(Maybe you *do* teach, just not in the way that you seem to tell us to teach. Or in the way you hope to teach.)
Aaron, brother, thank you for your post.
(03-20-2012, 11:02 AM)ShinAr Wrote:(03-20-2012, 10:58 AM)Ankh Wrote: We've been dancing this dance before, dear one. I believe that I am done now.
well of course you are Ankh. You would not dare to contest that post And we both know why.
NOW I get what you meant in the above reply!!
WOAW....
I am shocked...
RE: The undeniable truth of Darkness and STS - Aaron - 03-21-2012
Shin'Ar Wrote:aaron said "What is your interpretation of the Brown Notebook channelings in comparison to Ra's teaching? What do you interpret Ra's teaching to be?
These starting points would lead a fruitful discussion and understanding, I think."UNQUOTE
To avoid confusion... I did totally say that. But I immediately erased my post when I followed Gary's link to the other thread and saw that you have already explained your stance and such on this information in that thread. Ah well, it can't hurt to have it posted in this thread as well.
Shin'Ar Wrote:I am still breaking it down to be honest because I am finding Ra's teaching to be a little in contradiction to Hatonn's. Which may be the reason that Carla wanted to disasscoaite herslf from the Brown Notebook.I am still eagerly making comparisons with great discernment as should we all.
But there is no doubt from reading the Brown Notes that hatonnn and latwii warn agaisnt experiencing STs as dangerous and unnecessary and not in the mentality of following the Creator's Light. and they absolutely acknowledge a dark force at work in the wolrd conspiring to control the masses. I have heard more than one member here suggest that beacsue we are all One that there is no such thing as darkness or dark forces agaisnt us. this is not agreed with by Hatonnna and Latwii.
Hatonn is the only entity of the confederation whose words will sometimes stray into areas where I feel I must discern and pluck the kernel of truth from surrounding language that, at times, supports and condones the love of all while at the same time suggesting fear of or action against the dark side of all that is.
This viewpoint, I believe, while highly valuable and absolutely necessary both within the grand scheme of things and within the drama we find ourselves in now, stems from the fact that, as a social memory complex, Hatonn is moving through 4th density right now, experiencing the lessons of that density and holding the viewpoint of that density. There is a point in the Q'uo channelings where Hatonn shares their plans to interrupt or subsume television programming to spread their message of love and awakening to the world. Great message!! But not so great method of delivery...
This viewpoint and method of communication originates from their evolutionary standpoint, and, because we are positive entities and all love eachother and mush together our.... well, our everything, but especially our communication and beingness, Hatonn's perspective and views become blended in and presented with the rest.
I have been in the situation where the choice must be made between deceiving to serve what appears to be many, or truthfully serving the few. I chose honesty... The many that one would have served through deception turns out to be illusory, but that group of few will grow.
RE: The undeniable truth of Darkness and STS - Shin'Ar - 03-21-2012
(03-21-2012, 02:58 AM)Cyan Wrote:(03-21-2012, 12:14 AM)Icaro Wrote: You're experiencing some kind of misinterpretation in communication. Everyone here promotes love, and condemns the negativity on the planet.
Ask direct questions if that's what you need to hear. Ask others if they would manipulate, control, or commit some other kind of negative act. I think where you get confused is when you hear others saying negativity is "ok", but no one is participating in negative acts personally, nor are they considering it.
I do have a question.
How do you spread love and condemn the application of it in how this planet is run by love at the same time?
Or do you believe that this planet is controlled by negativity, if so, what does that say about you, do you choose to be negative too (conform to the norm or serve the community that seeks to be negative by helping it be more negative) or do you seek to stand out (save the norm from being negative).
I've started to think that the harvest might be a surprise for many.
Thoughts?
Is that question for me Cyan?
RE: The undeniable truth of Darkness and STS - Cyan - 03-21-2012
(03-21-2012, 07:50 AM)ShinAr Wrote:(03-21-2012, 02:58 AM)Cyan Wrote:(03-21-2012, 12:14 AM)Icaro Wrote: You're experiencing some kind of misinterpretation in communication. Everyone here promotes love, and condemns the negativity on the planet.
Ask direct questions if that's what you need to hear. Ask others if they would manipulate, control, or commit some other kind of negative act. I think where you get confused is when you hear others saying negativity is "ok", but no one is participating in negative acts personally, nor are they considering it.
I do have a question.
How do you spread love and condemn the application of it in how this planet is run by love at the same time?
Or do you believe that this planet is controlled by negativity, if so, what does that say about you, do you choose to be negative too (conform to the norm or serve the community that seeks to be negative by helping it be more negative) or do you seek to stand out (save the norm from being negative).
I've started to think that the harvest might be a surprise for many.
Thoughts?
Is that question for me Cyan?
No.
My point was to question the use of the word condemn. I prefer to work in the one sphere i know best, my own. For the one purpose I know best, to improve the quality of my life without harming others in my sphere.
Am I the one inside the sphere reaching outwards, or one outside the sphere reaching inwards.
RE: The undeniable truth of Darkness and STS - 3DMonkey - 03-21-2012
If I want to start a war, then I am a war lover. It matters not what side I am on. All that is apparent is that I choose to create battles. I am not right for doing so. I simply want to fight. If I go looking for a fight, I will find one, or create one.
RE: The undeniable truth of Darkness and STS - Cyan - 03-21-2012
(03-21-2012, 08:16 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: If I want to start a war, then I am a war lover. It matters not what side I am on. All that is apparent is that I choose to create battles. I am not right for doing so. I simply want to fight. If I go looking for a fight, I will find one, or create one.
Always true.
RE: The undeniable truth of Darkness and STS - Oldern - 03-21-2012
3DMonkey, I do not know if I can thank this to Shin'Ar or not, but I find myself more and more resonating with your posts. I never knew this day would come!
RE: The undeniable truth of Darkness and STS - Ankh - 03-21-2012
I remember discussions between unity100 and other members on one side, and me and other members on the other side that were about Hidden Hand material. Unity100 and folks of similar opinions could not get how anyone, and especially being students of the Law of One, would listen and trust an entity who says him/herself being STS. STS use deception and lies in order to spread their message/s, so it was beyond unity's and other's comprehension how any of us could trust that source. While those of us who liked Hidden Hand's message said that it's not about the messenger and who or what this messenger is, but about the message and use of the discernment and effects this message had. Many in this forum for instance found their way to the Law of One material thanks to the Hidden Hand, and many didn't see anything in their message that would be dangerous.
Well, here we have a member claiming him/herself to be completely STO, and the message that this member brings is wrapped in lies and deception. Shin'Ar, I am not saying that you are STS. I don't know who or what you are; and I see it as even less important now. The thing is that it is for a fact that you used lies and deception while trying to convey your message, while claiming yourself to be in service to others.
I don't know what to make out of it yet, but it strengthens my belief even more of trying to see ALL as ONE. All is Love. End of story.
RE: The undeniable truth of Darkness and STS - Shin'Ar - 03-21-2012
There is One Consciousness, and many fragments of it experiencing individual choices throughout the universe.
Evolution of consciousness takes place as the individual learns that it is connected to the divine as One Consciousness and must then learn how to understand its fragmented self.
Those who choose to serve self, to any degree, and pretend that it is okay because we are all One are in full denial of what that truly means and use it only as an excuse to enable their selfishness.
Ankh, you are not expressing love. You are promoting that which takes away from the harmony of the One, as do all those who follow you down that path.
you can call me whatever you like but my words are spoken in love and concern, and nothing that I have spoken here was for my own benefit. and nothing I have spoken here can be revealed as untruth. you can deny it, but you will not be able to dispute it.
We are One as the One Consciousness of the Infinite Spirit. That truith does not mean that you now have the individuality to engage in self serving gratification. It means the opposite. if you are One you will understand the need for harmony and unity, and evade the temptation of self gratification. It is this understanding that evolves our consciousness into higher being.
how can you be One with those who love others, if you seek to love yourself over all others? And why would one who professes to be One, be so consumed with being individual?
you have been called by the Light dear Ankh. It is your choice to turn and flee or to walk toward it. Good luck on your path.
RE: The undeniable truth of Darkness and STS - Ankh - 03-21-2012
Shin'Ar, I've always been honest with you. I've always been open to you. And you taught be a very valuable lesson, brother - and that lesson is love. That no matter that some parts of my mind scream about you using aggressive service to self methods, which were lies and deception, I feel better when seeing you as Love, as One. That doesn't mean that I want to engage in any more discussions with you anymore. I am not rejecting you though, I am very grateful to you. What you did, is that you, in very clear and direct way, strengthened my beliefs. All is One, and that One is love/light, light/love, unity.
I could tell you a lot more, about to this and that, but I believe that so many members have already said all that there is to be said. Pablisimo, TheEternal, GLB, Aaron, me and many others. So I will now join TheEternal and his wonderful post that he wrote to you firstly, but which he later erased and only said "Silence", by following next message "I will war no more".
May the Infinite One guard and guide you. Good luck on your path too.
RE: The undeniable truth of Darkness and STS - 3DMonkey - 03-21-2012
AnKh, you're in deep with this convo. Step away slowly.
I, for one, don't believe I could reach your kind, gentle, loving nature. We all see you that way. Dunno how someone could not see it.
Slowly now. Back away
RE: The undeniable truth of Darkness and STS - Ankh - 03-21-2012
(03-21-2012, 10:06 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: AnKh, you're in deep with this convo. Step away slowly.
I, for one, don't believe I could reach your kind, gentle, loving nature. We all see you that way. Dunno how someone could not see it.
Slowly now. Back away
Thank you.
I will.
RE: The undeniable truth of Darkness and STS - Steppingfeet - 03-21-2012
I am so, SOO dissapointed with all of you in this thread. I know now you are all following the path of darkness.
How do I know this?
Because. I posted the most humorously apropos Chris Farley SNL skit to this thread, and no one high-fived me. It was a veritable stroke of comedy genius, but it goes unacknowledged in your focused, serious, on-topic discussion.
What is the world coming to?
GLBPS: Now to be sincere, 3DMonkey, that post about creating/seeking war is absolutely genius. : )
Shin'Ar, the "Pepsi challenge" comes from commercials in the 80's, I think, made by Pepsi where they blindfolded individuals, gave them a Coke and a Pepsi, and asked them which one was the better. Naturally, as it was a Pepsi commercial, the subjects unanimously declared their love of one type over the other, and when the blindfold was removed they were astounded to learn that it was Pepsi they had favored. (Something like that.)
Point being, your claiming of authorship of material not your own in order to make a point could be a fun exercise were it an isolated incident in an otherwise harmonious relationship with forum members. But as part of an ongoing, consistent effort to convert the unbelievers? .... .... ....
RE: The undeniable truth of Darkness and STS - Tenet Nosce - 03-21-2012
(03-20-2012, 08:53 AM)ShinAr Wrote: Evil does not exist.
But if it did... my gut feeling is that it would attempt to use lies, deception, manipulation, accusations, threats, warnings, admonitions, and fear, in order to motivate others to do its bidding.
The Aaron/Q’uo Dialogues, Session 19
25 Sep 93
Ariel Wrote:Distorted compassion can lead to a distortion of wisdom which does not oppose negativity with love, but rather, feels need to hear it out; and in that way, negativity may play on that compassion and wisdom and manipulate the, as yet, immature faith and love.
RE: The undeniable truth of Darkness and STS - 3DMonkey - 03-21-2012
Sorry GLB. Didn't click the link. iPhone and links are sometimes a bed of thorns
RE: The undeniable truth of Darkness and STS - Shin'Ar - 03-21-2012
If you go back and check that post Gary you will see that there was no point where I claimed that to my words. I made athread and posted hatonns words in it to be used as Light on the matter. I did not claim them to be my words.
And I too am disappointed that you of all people are taking part in thius deception. You MUST be aware of the contraversy which is going on and yet you feel the desire to enable it.
it is as I observed from the very beginning of my entrance to this community. there is a terrible darkness prevailing and a concerted affort to dsiguise it. regardless of the many accusations you all have made against me, anyone going through these discussions that is not bias toward your self gratifying promotions here will easily see what I have tried to point out and discuss and they will also see those who have tried to waywlay the effort.
That is unless you now feel the need to go and hide all of those discussions to further protect your agenda.
It is a sad place for those who love the Light to visit. all they will find here is discussion about how great it is to serve the self, and how all is one which means that an individual can do anything they want.
peace to you All. I hope my words and Light have helped someone here or someone to come.
I have found what I came looking for. And far more as well.
gary I asked fror your help in bringing this issue to Light and you sidestepped. that is on your shoulders now.
"Many are against this teaching for they know that when a people are desiring a life, such as the Creator created, they cannot be ruled by mere man with all his hates, destructions of war and other things we will not go into at this time.You were created to live in love and light. However, that is not true at the present level of understanding. Man is torn between two factions: the laws and creation of man on one side and the Creator and his creation on the other. All too often they take the side of man because they lack proper teaching and understanding of a true way of life.Consequences continually drive people to and fro. Consequences of the action of a 'few' shape the road that many must travel. Man has many ways of doing things that will bring harm to his fellow man.Can man not see the folly of their ways? A great change is needed."
RE: The undeniable truth of Darkness and STS - Tenet Nosce - 03-21-2012
(03-21-2012, 08:16 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: If I want to start a war, then I am a war lover. It matters not what side I am on. All that is apparent is that I choose to create battles. I am not right for doing so. I simply want to fight. If I go looking for a fight, I will find one, or create one.
25.9 Wrote:The fourth density is the only density besides your own which, lacking the wisdom to refrain from battle, sees the necessity of the battle.
RE: The undeniable truth of Darkness and STS - native - 03-21-2012
(03-21-2012, 02:58 AM)Cyan Wrote: I do have a question.
How do you spread love and condemn the application of it in how this planet is run by love at the same time?
I'm referring to overreaching power-grabs..social manipulation. War, highly restrictive laws, unaccountability of politicians/government agencies/corporations etc. can't be tolerated. This of course is only possibly with a population that isn't involved in making sure these things don't happen.
Opening the heart in other areas so that values can begin to be redefined is needed the most, I agree. That's a personal journey unfortunately, so it's not as if the New-Age will just appear and be given to us. It's earned, like everything else in the universe. It's going to be a long and difficult process.
Even for those who wake up, the instinct is to shun society and become self-sufficient. We certainly have to relearn skills and regain more self-sufficiency, but unless one isn't helping to improve the community, living in a bubble won't do any good either.
Quote:Or do you believe that this planet is controlled by negativity, if so, what does that say about you, do you choose to be negative too (conform to the norm or serve the community that seeks to be negative by helping it be more negative) or do you seek to stand out (save the norm from being negative).
I don't think it's controlled by negativity because the power always rests with the majority, but we have certainly given it a lot of restrictive power that will require significant effort to reverse. The issue is that one first has to wake up from what is considered normal and break free from that. Most are content with the self though.
RE: The undeniable truth of Darkness and STS - Monica - 03-21-2012
Such a great example of paradox.
All is One. Yet, we are in the density of Choice, wherein there is polarity.
The way to respond to the dark path is to radiate light.
The way of the STO is acceptance.
Acceptance doesn't mean glossing over its true nature or pretending it's that which it is not. To truly accept it, we must be honest about what it really is.
RE: The undeniable truth of Darkness and STS - native - 03-21-2012
Yeah, it's difficult to accept that all our obstacles are our own doing.
RE: The undeniable truth of Darkness and STS - Monica - 03-21-2012
(03-21-2012, 11:56 AM)Icaro Wrote: Yeah, it's difficult to accept that all our obstacles are our own doing.
Not having read all of the discussions, I'm wondering if maybe Shin'Ar's concern is that some might have a fascination with the STS path, while not fully recognizing its true nature, and thus not being able to truly accept it or love it, even though they might think they are doing that, thus potentially becoming susceptible to its allure.
Is this at all close to what you're trying to convey, Shin'Ar? Are you concerned that, in our enthusiasm to love and accept, and radiate light to, the STS path, we might unwittingly allow ourselves to be seduced by it?
We do know from the Law of One sessions, that higher density STS entities do indeed prey on STO entities. Are you concerned, Shin'Ar, that some STS entities have noticed our humble little community, and might be playing around with those in our community, seeking to gain a foothold of some sort?
I'm trying to understand the nature of your concerns. Please forgive me if you've already answered these questions elsewhere. As I said, I have apparently missed most of the discussions, so I'm a little behind on this.
Regarding the various channeled sessions, Carla is very firm in her view that none of this material be made into a dogma or doctrine. None can be considered authoritative. The Ra sessions sought to minimize distortion, but none of the material can claim to be totally free of distortion. Thus, discernment is advised when reading any of the material.
I think it goes without saying that if discernment is advised for the presumably STO channeled works, then how much more so is it advised when reading material from self-professed negative sources.
RE: The undeniable truth of Darkness and STS - 3DMonkey - 03-21-2012
I think it's nothing more than sensitivity to unmet expectations from others' posts.
Of course, we are each describing our self.
RE: The undeniable truth of Darkness and STS - BrownEye - 03-21-2012
(03-21-2012, 11:02 AM)ShinAr Wrote: If you go back and check that post Gary you will see that there was no point where I claimed that to my words. I made athread and posted hatonns words in it to be used as Light on the matter. I did not claim them to be my words.
The honorable way to do this would have been to keep the words intact, and not modify, add to, or remove any of the words. You would not have created this confusion that has resulted LoL!
