(02-10-2014, 12:42 AM)zenmaster Wrote: For your second link xise, the MMR vaccine does not contain Thimerosal and never did. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine_controversy

So if there is a link between vaccines and autism, there must necessarily be completely different claimed mechanisms.

(02-10-2014, 01:11 AM)xise Wrote:

(02-10-2014, 12:42 AM)zenmaster Wrote: For your second link xise, the MMR vaccine does not contain Thimerosal and never did. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine_controversy

So if there is a link between vaccines and autism, there must necessarily be completely different claimed mechanisms.

I think this is exactly what's going on. There are mechanisms we haven't discovered yet.

But I for one think correlation is very important. If two things are highly correlated, and we can't figure out what the actual causal factor is, I'd fallback on relying on the correlation to make my decision about things. And also equally importantly, I for one think the whole vaccination thing is more about personal choice of the family, regardless of the reason (whether health, safety, religious, or whimsical).

(02-10-2014, 01:19 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Also the spreading of fraud is not a very beneficial practice.

Neurobehavioural effects of developmental toxicity Wrote:Neurodevelopmental disabilities, including autism, attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder, dyslexia, and other cognitive impairments, affect millions of children worldwide, and some diagnoses seem to be increasing in frequency. Industrial chemicals that injure the developing brain are among the known causes for this rise in prevalence. In 2006, we did a systematic review and identified five industrial chemicals as developmental neurotoxicants: lead, methylmercury, polychlorinated biphenyls, arsenic, and toluene. Since 2006, epidemiological studies have documented six additional developmental neurotoxicants—manganese, fluoride, chlorpyrifos, dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane, tetrachloroethylene, and the polybrominated diphenyl ethers. We postulate that even more neurotoxicants remain undiscovered. To control the pandemic of developmental neurotoxicity, we propose a global prevention strategy. Untested chemicals should not be presumed to be safe to brain development, and chemicals in existing use and all new chemicals must therefore be tested for developmental neurotoxicity. To coordinate these efforts and to accelerate translation of science into prevention, we propose the urgent formation of a new international clearinghouse.

Seth, Channelled by Jane Roberts. The Way Toward Health Wrote:…pain and suffering are also obviously vital, living sensations – and therefore are a part of the body’s repertoire of possible feelings and sensual experience. They are also a sign, therefore, of life’s vitality, and are in themselves often responsible for a return to health when they act as learning communications.

Many diseases are often health-promoting processes. Chicken pox, measles and other like diseases in childhood in their own way ‘naturally inoculate’ the body, so that it is able to handle other elements that are a part of the body and the body’s environment.

When civilised children are medically inoculated against such diseases … to an important extent the natural protective processes are impeded. Such children may not come down with the disease against which they are medically protected, then – but they may indeed therefore become ‘prey’ to other diseases later in life that would not otherwise have occurred.

I am not advising people to refuse to have their children vaccinated, since you now have to take vaccination into consideration because of its prominence in society. It is very possible however, that science itself will in time discover the unfortunate side effects of many such procedures, and begin to reevaluate the entire subject.

(04-10-2014, 11:51 PM)Parsons Wrote: I am on the fence about certain 'major' vaccinations such as smallpox, but when it comes to getting flu shots, I am of the strong opinion that would be bad for my health. I believe in exercising my immune system like I would a muscle. I extremely rarely use hand sanitizer for that reason. I got sick one single time in the last two years and very rarely get sick in general.

(04-10-2014, 01:49 PM)reeay Wrote: Re: people will become 'prey' to other diseases (as Seth says) is over-use of antibiotics, not vaccines against communicable and preventable diseases.

(02-10-2014, 03:46 AM)reeay Wrote: Mercury is just one toxin - pesticides, drugs taken by mother during/before pregnancy, air pollution, and other heavy metals (aluminum and lead). It's in our food, our water, in dental fillings, in our medicines, in the air...

(04-10-2014, 08:49 AM)Horuseus Wrote: Many diseases are often health-promoting processes. Chicken pox, measles and other like diseases in childhood in their own way ‘naturally inoculate’ the body, so that it is able to handle other elements that are a part of the body and the body’s environment.

When civilized children are medically inoculated against such diseases … to an important extent the natural protective processes are impeded. Such children may not come down with the disease against which they are medically protected, then – but they may indeed therefore become ‘prey’ to other diseases later in life that would not otherwise have occurred.

Quote:I am not advising people to refuse to have their children vaccinated, since you now have to take vaccination into consideration because of its prominence in society. It is very possible however, that science itself will in time discover the unfortunate side effects of many such procedures, and begin to reevaluate the entire subject.

Quote:Dolores: Why is she being allowed to know these things now ?

Because it is time to waken up and educate. What we are facing now on the physical Earth is a battle, but it is not a battle as others would perceive. It does not have to do with battle in physical form. Even though battles are fought, the battles that are going on now are about the dark with the light. And the light will need to come together to be spread so that these who are controlling can be stopped.
As far as my kind, there are just a few, but there are also many different kinds who are here to assist in the same way.

Dolores: The ones from this persons generation seem to have more difficulty adjusting than the new ones coming in now.

That is because the ones that are coming in now have more awareness of who they truly are. The children need to be nurtured. They are more advanced than most humans who are here now. The little children need to be taught how to work with energies also, for they will assist in this transformation. The more people that are awakened, the stronger the energy will become.

Dolores: But the problem is that teachers and doctors are putting these children on medications.

It's up to the parentsto take a stand and say no. That's where the awareness of who these children are comes into play.
Any medication that is being used is not the natural way of being. And be aware that many more medications will be tried to numb the mind and to make the physical body ill. That would be a way of eliminating many. Not only the children, but the adults. That is the reality of those who try control and manipulate.
Many people are very ignorant of what is going on, but that is not their fault, for that is where they are being kept with what they are told. There is more that is going on that is not obvious.

Dolores: But they use fear to make people agree to have medication and vaccinations.

That is correct, and the vaccinations are going to be used to try to stop many. People need to remember that where there is fear, there is control by outside forces.
Be aware of what you're doing to yourself. Look for other avenues before just going and getting medication. There will be times when the medication will be needed to assist the physical body, but once you do some research, unless it is e life lesson that was chosen deliberately, anything else can be worked on. What is really needed is to allow the physical body to heal itself.

Dolores: But how do we keep the government from giving us vaccinations we dont need ?

It's a matter of taking a stand. If a stand is not taken, then the government will continue to do what it is doing now. There comes a time when choices have to be made. And if you remember this is a spiritual war, then what is there to fear ? http://forum.fok.nl/topic/1290330/2/50