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RE: Passing the time - Billy - 02-07-2014
(02-07-2014, 03:45 PM)Tanner Wrote:(02-07-2014, 03:42 PM)Folk-love Wrote:(02-07-2014, 03:39 PM)Tanner Wrote:(02-07-2014, 03:37 PM)Folk-love Wrote:(02-07-2014, 03:31 PM)Tanner Wrote: Aha Well that is fair, what is the worth then? So far you have only described your body as a prison, what is the worth of a prison?
I see myself as a portion of the creator, and therefore see myself as having infinite worth. As for the worth of a prison. I don't know, perhaps to better understand freedom.
Is not the idea of a prison also a portion of the Creator?
Yes, I believe that to be true. It's funny, even I feel tired, sometimes I don't want to sleep because I feel like I'm going to miss out on the world.
Ah! I think you may have found the key to your door. There is a part of you that does enjoy your experience here, tired or not.
Ohh of course. It is not like my life is completely lacking any joy. I just want so much more. More than this body could possibly handle. I feel as though these joys are easily accessible on the other side.
RE: Passing the time - Unbound - 02-07-2014
(02-07-2014, 03:48 PM)Folk-love Wrote:So is this really an issue of an attitude of "all or nothing"?(02-07-2014, 03:45 PM)Tanner Wrote:(02-07-2014, 03:42 PM)Folk-love Wrote:(02-07-2014, 03:39 PM)Tanner Wrote:(02-07-2014, 03:37 PM)Folk-love Wrote: I see myself as a portion of the creator, and therefore see myself as having infinite worth. As for the worth of a prison. I don't know, perhaps to better understand freedom.
Is not the idea of a prison also a portion of the Creator?
Yes, I believe that to be true. It's funny, even I feel tired, sometimes I don't want to sleep because I feel like I'm going to miss out on the world.
Ah! I think you may have found the key to your door. There is a part of you that does enjoy your experience here, tired or not.
Ohh of course. It is not like my life is completely lacking any joy. I just want so much more. More than this body could possibly handle.
Maybe your body could handle more if you treated it in a way that empowers it? You say you want more, but how will that satisfy you if you are wanting to escape without experiencing all your body does have to offer?
It seems its not actually about "wanting more" but about not wanting to settle for anything less than "more". Yet, really, what is more or less when everything is of infinite worth, as you have said?
RE: Passing the time - Billy - 02-07-2014
(02-07-2014, 03:45 PM)Tanner Wrote: How about the twist that until the body is done here, the mind will not desire to leave? The mind desired the incarnative experience, and it will remain in this field of experience until it has learned what it came to learn.
Then why does my mind feel so tired and want nothing more than to leave?
RE: Passing the time - Unbound - 02-07-2014
Also, easily accessible, perhaps, but then that much more difficult to appreciate. Who is to say you won't get bored of the ease of access? Maybe you only desire those things on the other side because they feel unattainable here, so it isn't really the lack of those things which bothers you but rather it is the effort needed to pursue them?
(02-07-2014, 03:53 PM)Folk-love Wrote:(02-07-2014, 03:45 PM)Tanner Wrote: How about the twist that until the body is done here, the mind will not desire to leave? The mind desired the incarnative experience, and it will remain in this field of experience until it has learned what it came to learn.
Then why does my mind feel so tired and want nothing more than to leave?
How does a mind feel tired, exactly? That, to me, sounds more like cyclic thoughts which are not fruitful. The mind does not become tired, in my experience, it becomes stagnant in its patterns and so takes up more and more energy to try and perpetuate those same patterns. Your mind isn't tired, you are holding tiredness in your mind as a function of dissatisfaction with your experience. Tiredness is your reasoning for detachment from your body.
RE: Passing the time - Billy - 02-07-2014
(02-07-2014, 03:55 PM)Tanner Wrote: Also, easily accessible, perhaps, but then that much more difficult to appreciate. Who is to say you won't get bored of the ease of access? Maybe you only desire those things on the other side because they feel unattainable here, so it isn't really the lack of those things which bothers you but rather it is the effort needed to pursue them?
This post scares me. Are you saying the same joys are possible here as they are on the other side. I've always looked at the other side as the ultimate release. If its just more of the same *shutter*. Does living for an eternity scare anyone else?
RE: Passing the time - Unbound - 02-07-2014
Put another way, your mind "feels" tired because the thought patterns you have are self-defeating.
RE: Passing the time - Billy - 02-07-2014
(02-07-2014, 03:59 PM)Tanner Wrote: Put another way, your mind "feels" tired because the thought patterns you have are self-defeating.
How did these though patterns arise. Why would I choose to feel tired?
RE: Passing the time - Unbound - 02-07-2014
(02-07-2014, 03:59 PM)Folk-love Wrote:(02-07-2014, 03:55 PM)Tanner Wrote: Also, easily accessible, perhaps, but then that much more difficult to appreciate. Who is to say you won't get bored of the ease of access? Maybe you only desire those things on the other side because they feel unattainable here, so it isn't really the lack of those things which bothers you but rather it is the effort needed to pursue them?
This post scares me. Are you saying the same joys are possible here as they are on the other side. I've always looked at the other side as the ultimate release. If its just more of the same *shutter*. Does living for an eternity scare anyone else?
Aha, I can certainly understand that. By all means, do not take my words as authority as I have strong beliefs which are not necessarily normal to most. I do not believe in a "this side" and "that side", personally, so there is no issue there for me.
Also, no, I would not say the joys are the same because the worth is not the same, but the experiences still occur within a body/mind/spirit. What may seem to be of great worth and joy in "the other side" may only seem as such because of the intensity of the experience here. There is always new experience to discover, that is true no matter which side you are on, but the value and worth of that experience changes based on the conditions one has put themselves in.
As for living for eternity as scary? No, but living for eternity and being stagnant is terrifying. That is why I seek to make the most of every moment here, good or bad, because it is only here that I am able to progress forward. On the other side we cannot do the work that we are able to here.
RE: Passing the time - Melissa - 02-07-2014
(02-07-2014, 03:59 PM)Folk-love Wrote: This post scares me. Are you saying the same joys are possible here as they are on the other side. I've always looked at the other side as the ultimate release. If its just more of the same *shutter*. Does living for an eternity scare anyone else?
Yep, I can relate to most of what you've described in this thread.
RE: Passing the time - Unbound - 02-07-2014
(02-07-2014, 04:03 PM)Folk-love Wrote:(02-07-2014, 03:59 PM)Tanner Wrote: Put another way, your mind "feels" tired because the thought patterns you have are self-defeating.
How did these though patterns arise. Why would I choose to feel tired?
That I cannot really tell you, you will have to look back in your experience here of your life and see what experiences have affected you and caused you to become attached to certain ideas.
You have kind of already given your answer to yourself however, you choose to feel tired because you do not desire to use the tool of your life. Tiredness is the mechanism of avoidance of living.
I say this very much from my own personal experience, of course, and this is all just purely my opinion aha
RE: Passing the time - isis - 02-07-2014
(02-07-2014, 03:59 PM)Folk-love Wrote: Does living for an eternity scare anyone else?
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RE: Passing the time - Unbound - 02-07-2014
Also, I apologize if I at all come across as having "been there done that", as that is not my intention. I too struggle day to day with my existence here, and it is actually very much through offering support to others that I find more fuel for my fire.
RE: Passing the time - Billy - 02-07-2014
Why choose experience over living in bliss? Why come here if life is already joyous?
(02-07-2014, 04:09 PM)Tanner Wrote: Also, I apologize if I at all come across as having "been there done that", as that is not my intention. I too struggle day to day with my existence here, and it is actually very much through offering support to others that I find more fuel for my fire.
Haha, not at all my friend. You come across as a very sweet person who is trying to help and illuminate. Thank you.
RE: Passing the time - Unbound - 02-07-2014
I believe that bliss is found within, as being a portion of the Creator, and I desire to realize that on every level of myself, human and beyond. For me, it is a quest for self-unification between all my levels of self. I therefore would not avoid the opportunity to realize bliss here just because I feel bliss on another level.
I do not know how to put it without coming across as callous or harsh, but for me, comfort is for those who desire only to sleep. I appreciate comfort, I love relaxing and being comfortable, but I don't believe it needs to be dependent on external circumstances, for me, I seek the bliss in every moment, within myself where it originates.
I treat comfort as the coming home after a long arduous journey. It is wonderful to come back to and have the time to rest, but would that comfort and rest really be as wonderful if I had not thoroughly tired myself out from a mysterious journey?
An eternity of leisure leads to profound boredom, in my mind.
RE: Passing the time - Billy - 02-07-2014
The thing is that, I don't feel as though I can put in the effort to make such major changes to my thought patterns because, we'll, you guessed it. Its a vicious cycle really. I just can't imagine living like this for a long time.
RE: Passing the time - Unbound - 02-07-2014
Why are you already deciding what the future holds when you do not really know? It seems to me you have "decided" that no matter what you do your life will be unpleasant, and that is a very self-destructive thought.
Also, that is why it is called effort! It takes will to move beyond patterns which are unconsciously accepted. Yes, it will take work, but by the standard of infinite worth, would it not be worth it?
RE: Passing the time - Billy - 02-07-2014
(02-07-2014, 04:14 PM)Tanner Wrote: I treat comfort as the coming home after a long arduous journey. It is wonderful to come back to and have the time to rest, but would that comfort and rest really be as wonderful if I had not thoroughly tired myself out from a mysterious journey?
An eternity of leisure leads to profound boredom, in my mind.
I agree completely. It's like asking why food tastes so good when you haven't eaten for a while. What kind of an existence is that though? Why can't we fully appreciate something without having to experience not having it? This all seems so silly at times. Argh, so confused.
RE: Passing the time - Unbound - 02-07-2014
(02-07-2014, 04:21 PM)Folk-love Wrote:(02-07-2014, 04:14 PM)Tanner Wrote: I treat comfort as the coming home after a long arduous journey. It is wonderful to come back to and have the time to rest, but would that comfort and rest really be as wonderful if I had not thoroughly tired myself out from a mysterious journey?
An eternity of leisure leads to profound boredom, in my mind.
I agree completely. It's like asking why food tastes so good when you haven't eaten for a while. What kind of an existence is that though? Why can't we fully appreciate something without having to experience not having it? This all seems so silly at times. Argh, so confused.
Yes, it is absolutely silly! That is one of the joys I get from my experience is the dual awareness of regardless of how difficult my life gets I know that it is all illusory in the end and that makes me laugh endlessly. Difficulty is something decided in the mind, and when it is seen that the difficulty was actually just a perception...
Well, the saying, "You're going to laugh about this later" is a very active theme in my life aha
Also, good (not that I think it is necessarily pleasant aha), you are supposed to be confused, that is why our density of experience is dominated by the Laws of Confusion aha
That is a good place to be, because at least if you know you are confused you have found where you are.
Actually, I would add, where is the motivation to have an experience if not in the lack of that experience?
RE: Passing the time - Billy - 02-07-2014
I wonder if higher density beings ever get bored. I thought I had made great changes to my though patterns. But that is obviously not the case. I wonder what my guides think and feel when they see me going around in circles. What does the creator want from me? What does my higher self want?
RE: Passing the time - Namaste - 02-07-2014
(02-07-2014, 03:59 PM)Folk-love Wrote:(02-07-2014, 03:55 PM)Tanner Wrote: Also, easily accessible, perhaps, but then that much more difficult to appreciate. Who is to say you won't get bored of the ease of access? Maybe you only desire those things on the other side because they feel unattainable here, so it isn't really the lack of those things which bothers you but rather it is the effort needed to pursue them?
This post scares me. Are you saying the same joys are possible here as they are on the other side. I've always looked at the other side as the ultimate release. If its just more of the same *shutter*. Does living for an eternity scare anyone else?
We can't fathom the infinite/eternal through the distorted minds of third density.
I would offer the notion that this experience gives us the ability to choose either heaven or hell. It's a reflection of our belief systems.
As Bashar says, that's the gift of this experience. It has no meaning until we apply it. One can choose to see the world as a gift (heaven), and enjoy the breeze, the birds, the people, or a prison (hell), and do the opposite.
A great man once said:
Quote:There are two ways to live: you can live as if nothing is a miracle; you can live as if everything is a miracle.
Albert Einstein
Heaven and hell are but states of being, both accessible and manifested directly through our own choices. Each is available to us in the eternal now.
Why not choose to see differently? The world may manifest very differently for you.
RE: Passing the time - Unbound - 02-07-2014
I think a greater question here is what do you want from yourself, since you are both the Creator and your Higher Self?
By all means, I do not mean to suggest that you have not already made great progress, and I know all too well how easy it is to go in to a state of mind where we look at our progress and consider it insignificant in light of progress to be made. Every experience and thought you have had has lead you here to this moment where you are encountering a reflection of yourself via me and others and it is well to honour all the work you have done to this point.
If you ask me, your guides feel the utmost compassion for you and in no way judge you for your state, rather they await, as they always have, for their chance to love you or support you when you so choose.
If you want my rawest opinion, there isn't really a whole lot of change that needs to happen to get you beyond this point. There is one core choice in every moment, life or death. To choose life is to live and be alive, to choose death is to stagnate and rot until you deteriorate. I apologize for the grim imagery but as I see it, you have only a choice to make and that is whether or not you are going to live, or not.
If you ask me, when you said that you sometimes don't want to go to sleep because you feel you will miss out on the world, that came through to me as a very heartfelt thought, and honestly I think clearly reveals that although death may be appealing to you, I think you yearn to choose life.
RE: Passing the time - Jade - 02-07-2014
The perception that gives me comfort is that, beyond the veil, when we look back at our lives, it's like watching a movie. You don't want a movie that's just all happy rainbows and Care Bears - not that there is anything wrong with rainbows or Care Bears, but as we mature these things become less fulfilling in and of themselves. We need drama. We need emotion. We need mystery. We need murder. Choosing to come back to 3D encompasses the joy of being an expert actor - we get to play an elaborate role that we designed, for ourselves! And again, playing a Care Bear is fun, but even more exciting than playing the Care Bear is playing the newt or grizzly bear turned Care Bear. The role is constantly changing and growing with us as we change and grow. Anything we want subconsciously or consciously comes to fruition in one way or another. Harnessing this power and learning to become the "director" and seeing how well we do in this role is the game. Even when we aren't having "fun", when we look back, those are the times when we have the most fun, because this is where the challenge and truly creative experience lies.
To be fair, beyond the veil duality doesn't exist as we know it. In the positive manifestations of higher dimensions, there is recognized unity among all, and basically an inability to disagree with others. This is why we come back. Because to our higher, more evolved selves who are kings of the Care Bears, this is the best way we can imagine to "pass the time". In fact, it's just the blink of an eye on the other side, so getting the most out of this perception of "time" is apparently something that we Wanderers really, really enjoy doing. I guess finding out why is the journey.
RE: Passing the time - Spaced - 02-07-2014
Hi Folk-love. Thanks for making this topic, this is something that I can really relate to, and thanks for your insights Tanner, I think a lot of it is very poignant.
I suffer from the sort of feelings you describe Folk-love, though I have found some ways of treating them and I have noticed much improvement in my day to day experience. Here's some tips I can share:
Take some time to sit quietly and turn your mind off. This isn't as easy as it sounds I know, but there are ways which I find helpful. You could, for example, ask your ego to stand aside, maybe imagining it as a little you sitting on your shoulder. It can still chime in but you can chose to just let the ideas pass. You could also choose to focus on the breath. Personally I like to visualize myself as a mountain with my thoughts appearing as clouds, they gather around the peak of the mountain but I can just let them drift away. You can find something that works for you. Once you are in this state the attention can then be turned to the body. Just take the time to feel your body, you can focus on one part at a time or you can just let sensation wash over you. The body is a living thing, a creature in it's own right which lovingly submits itself to the control of the mind. It has it's own desires but it depends on the mind to accomplish them. In a way the body can be seen as the child of the mind, and treating it with the love and care of a loving parent is a great way to build up a foundation of red-ray energy which should help relieve the lack of energy you are feeling.
I think it's fruitful to check in with the body from time to time because remember, your being is not just the mind, but a complex made up of mind, body and spirit working together. This might seem weird but I like to have conversation with some of my organs
my heart sometimes has a lot to say, and it's always worth listening to the advice of your gut.There are also the exercises recommended by Ra. (I think exercise 1 and 3 are especially applicable here):
Quote:10.14 Questioner: For general development [of the] reader of this book, could you state some of the practices or exercises to perform to produce an acceleration toward the Law of One?
Ra: I am Ra.
Exercise One. This is the most nearly centered and usable within your illusion complex. The moment contains love. That is the lesson/goal of this illusion or density. The exercise is to consciously seek that love in awareness and understanding distortions. The first attempt is the cornerstone. Upon this choosing rests the remainder of the life-experience of an entity. The second seeking of love within the moment begins the addition. The third seeking powers the second, the fourth powering or doubling the third. As with the previous type of empowerment, there will be some loss of power due to flaws within the seeking in the distortion of insincerity. However, the conscious statement of self to self of the desire to seek love is so central an act of will that, as before, the loss of power due to this friction is inconsequential.
Exercise Two. The universe is one being. When a mind/body/spirit complex views another mind/body/spirit complex, see the Creator. This is an helpful exercise.
Exercise Three. Gaze within a mirror. See the Creator.
Exercise Four. Gaze at the creation which lies about the mind/body/spirit complex of each entity. See the Creator.
The foundation or prerequisite of these exercises is a predilection towards what may be called meditation, contemplation, or prayer. With this attitude, these exercises can be processed. Without it, the data will not sink down into the roots of the tree of mind, thus enabling and ennobling the body and touching the spirit.
The mirror one in particular is quite helpful. If you can get to the point where you can look in the mirror and feel nothing but love for the person you see there, it's a great feeling!
RE: Passing the time - Namaste - 02-07-2014
Great advice about the body, Spaced.
A very good time to do this is after physical exercise, especially something such as yoga in which the muscles have been stretched and relaxed. It feels wonderful to sit with attention in your body.
RE: Passing the time - Spaced - 02-07-2014
Another thing I could add: nice hot baths. ahhh yeah
great way to connect with the body.
RE: Passing the time - Billy - 02-07-2014
I don't even know what I want. What I do know is that I don't want this. Surely there is a more efficient way of knowing, rather than trial and error. I dont want to live in a state of despair, exhaustion and hopelessness, but I'm finding it so hard to let go. You are all so sweet. Thanks for the replies
RE: Passing the time - Namaste - 02-07-2014
Third density is focused on experience and alignment, rather than knowing. You come from a place of knowing :¬)
If you believe that your age/situation determines that there's no hope or excitement for you, that's exactly what you'll experience. Powerlessness.
Life is a mirror :¬)
RE: Passing the time - Billy - 02-07-2014
(02-07-2014, 09:21 PM)Namaste Wrote: If you believe that your age/situation determines that there's no hope or excitement for you, that's exactly what you'll experience. Powerlessness.
Life is a mirror :¬)
Aren't some situations more hopeless and less exciting? Should I be trying to put myself in situations which inspire hope and excitement? Or will it not matter as long as I am attached to these though patterns. Don't external circumstances sculpt and mould your thought patterns?
RE: Passing the time - Namaste - 02-07-2014
"Don't external circumstances sculpt and mould your thought patterns?"
This is the catch. Use your own discernment of course, but this small piece of advice changed my life, and continues to do so. It's so simple, but, as they say, so is spirit. It's the ego that desires complicated solutions.
The key mantra is at the end.
(Heck, just had a huge déjà vu typing this) :¬)
RE: Passing the time - xise - 02-07-2014
(02-07-2014, 09:06 PM)Folk-love Wrote: I don't even know what I want. What I do know is that I don't want this. Surely there is a more efficient way of knowing, rather than trial and error. I dont want to live in a state of despair, exhaustion and hopelessness, but I'm finding it so hard to let go. You are all so sweet. Thanks for the replies
Trial and error isn't so bad. It's a cornerstone of my balancing philosophy. And it has a lot more forward momentum than error and error and waiting for a random change, that's for sure.