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RE: What greatly confuses me about this forum... - Adonai One - 04-25-2014
I will only use it when it's need into the future which is quite often due to my desire not infringe in very specific spiritual discussions. I really wish to be responsible with some of the knowledge I feel I have. It is contested as to whether I have such knowledge or not but I simply find myself not posting much at all without this assistance.
I do not wish to be presumptuous, I simply wish to not dominate conversation nor argue. I find that I do not wish to create such experiences as it only creates competition and not an environment of teaching/learning.
RE: What greatly confuses me about this forum... - Unbound - 04-25-2014
(04-25-2014, 04:44 PM)Adonai One Wrote: I will only use it when it's need into the future which is quite often due to my desire not infringe in very specific spiritual discussions. I really wish to be responsible with some of the knowledge I feel I have. It is contested as to whether I have such knowledge or not but I simply find myself not posting much at all without this assistance.
I do not wish to be presumptuous, I simply wish to not dominate conversation nor argue. I find that I do not wish to create such experiences as it only creates competition and not an environment of teaching/learning.
I feel the same as you, and indeed there is much that I do not share out of what I feel is responsibility. However, for me, that also includes not dropping "hints" (not that I am perfect at that) because in my eyes that is even more irresponsible because it is a surefire way to create confusion and misinterpretation. That is also why my posts have gotten progressively less frequent and often shortened.
RE: What greatly confuses me about this forum... - AnthroHeart - 04-25-2014
I am bad about posting every little spiritual breakthrough, because of how important I think it is at the time. Time has told me that I can't take what I experience at face value. My spiritual experience probably isn't truth, if I look deeper. I'm not here to increase distortions in other people, so it's a pretty bad habit I have. Or at least I don't wish to increase others' distortions.
RE: What greatly confuses me about this forum... - manniz - 04-25-2014
(04-25-2014, 04:44 PM)Adonai One Wrote: I will only use it when it's need into the future which is quite often due to my desire not infringe in very specific spiritual discussions. I really wish to be responsible with some of the knowledge I feel I have. It is contested as to whether I have such knowledge or not but I simply find myself not posting much at all without this assistance.
I do not wish to be presumptuous, I simply wish to not dominate conversation nor argue. I find that I do not wish to create such experiences as it only creates competition and not an environment of teaching/learning.
Adonai, you certainly have knowledge, and more than that I bet you have lots of love too. I saw your picture in some thread, and you looked like a kind guy. I probably would not be 1% mean to you, if I met you. I am just passionate about free expression, and letting criticism flow. That helps learning a lot. Especially on online discussion forums, it is good to let analysis flow. Drop a joke here and there.
So, I am fine with losing love brownie points, as long as existence is explored atleast slightly dynamically. I feel like I lose exactly 3.50 brownie love points every time I post here. But, it is all well and good. All is well.
RE: What greatly confuses me about this forum... - AnthroHeart - 04-25-2014
Ah brownie love points. I only think that I have many of those. I don't truly unconditionally love anything.
RE: What greatly confuses me about this forum... - manniz - 04-25-2014
(04-25-2014, 04:23 PM)Tanner Wrote: That post (Manniz) reminds me of a story of a Master Yogi telling his student to go seek meditation in a far-off cave and when the Master comes to find the student packing his things for the trip he sees he is packing all sorts of paper and things. The Master asks what all that is for, and the student replies that it is so he can write down all the beautiful poetry and ideas he will have while he is in meditation. The Master immediately takes the supplies away and says that the student is going in to retreat to seek his true self and to become empty of distraction and that enlightenment is not realized through the externalization of one's thoughts but in through the correct, undiluted perceiving of the pure self.
I used to want to share every major realization I had as well, and in many cases did so on these forums. Sometimes I still do. Eventually I realized that the realizations were disjointed and if you took them out of context of eachother then you just had a broken system of thought and philosophy without substance. That doesn't mean the realizations in and of themselves were not useful, but that disconnected from the continuum of my experience they are snapshots that are more distracting than enlightening.
Tanner, I liked reading that. I got into this trap for the first month or so after finding Ra material. I was going through intense planning for my future too, and generally sick of corporate bs. Everytime I read Ra, one side of me thought, hey we be spiritual experts now. However, that phase passed, and you are so right, the best knowledge comes from intuition, in silence, in our alone times, and if let ourselves process that knowledge with patience, it becomes a part of our identity. That is why I made that disclaimer that the above post was not directed at you, because I always get the vibe of patience from your posts. I may be biased, but I truly think Adonai has love for others, and a bit of patience would help him a lot. Criticism may fail, but maybe he will stop for a second. I have noticed that about many channelers. they say lots of good things, but if they get into discussion, or go beyond their channeling, you can tell that they did not process as much as they received. I hope I was not a Guru in any of my past incarnations, but then once the veil drops all those worries about past/future lives will not matter.
ps: Ra channeling is truly amazing though. I have not talked about them to any of my friends/family, but this is something that can help everyone in one form or another.
(04-25-2014, 04:59 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I am bad about posting every little spiritual breakthrough, because of how important I think it is at the time. Time has told me that I can't take what I experience at face value. My spiritual experience probably isn't truth, if I look deeper. I'm not here to increase distortions in other people, so it's a pretty bad habit I have. Or at least I don't wish to increase others' distortions.
Gemini, I do not mind your spiritual insights, especially in random threads, because you have certain honest, love vibe in sharing your experiences. And you present you ideas in a story, just casual conversation style of manner. So, whatever distortions might be there (or not), they do not come across as teaching.
RE: What greatly confuses me about this forum... - Unbound - 04-25-2014
Sorry, all my thoughts turned to "Mm, I like brownies."
RE: What greatly confuses me about this forum... - manniz - 04-25-2014
Guys, generally drinking/drugs are fair, and enjoyable experiences, but that sense of spiritual insight that they give us can be hard to maintain and process, once the high wears off. I have noticed that our mind thinks that it is getting some serious knowledge, but when it comes to wisdom intuition works the best sober and calm. Love is a fair thing to gain from altered states of consciousness. Love is always fair to gain or experience. Wisdom should be approached gingerly in altered consciousness states.
Man, I truly feel guilty for posting impulsively. It is so much better to read ZM, Tanner, GLB, others' posts and process the analysis. Specifically reading Zm and Tanner posts from the last week or so has actually given me good perspective of how both their viewpoints are so valid, share so much, and the differences are there, but beneficial because they teach you about the variety, the sheer desire for experience by this existence.
A1, I say mean stuff to you, but it is deliberate. As long as you can produce a love reaction to it, I will be happy.
(04-25-2014, 05:14 PM)Tanner Wrote: Sorry, all my thoughts turned to "Mm, I like brownies."
I wish I had any. I am going to expect all these pleasures and desires to be properly remunerated for once this life is over. Infinite creator better show its glory properly then. Earth experience has been so-so.
RE: What greatly confuses me about this forum... - Unbound - 04-25-2014
Shucks, you're making me blush.
RE: What greatly confuses me about this forum... - Horuseus - 04-25-2014
(04-24-2014, 09:22 PM)Adonai One Wrote: then why is the concept of oneness denoted as something not attainable in this density according to some of this community?
Because "understanding is not of this density"?
What do you mean by 'attaining a concept of oneness' in this density? How would that work practically speaking?
RE: What greatly confuses me about this forum... - Jeremy - 04-25-2014
(04-25-2014, 07:37 PM)Horuseus Wrote:(04-24-2014, 09:22 PM)Adonai One Wrote: then why is the concept of oneness denoted as something not attainable in this density according to some of this community?
Because "understanding is not of this density"?
What do you mean by 'attaining a concept of oneness' in this density? How would that work practically speaking?
I'm gonna add onto horuseus' post if he doesn't mind and say that once the phrase he quoted is fully appreciated and accepted, it will feel like a huge weight is lifted off of your chest. I've always been one to yearn for the why's and how's to life waaay before I ever found this philosophy. Once I did find it, I struggled with this not knowing quite intensely. It wasn't until I accepted that I cannot and will not understand any of this in the foreseeable future and man oh man it felt great to come to that realization.
RE: What greatly confuses me about this forum... - Alex Zachary - 04-25-2014
Unity is felt when we stop rationalizing it, when we stop using our brains. When we make our questions disappear.
So , maybe you need to get a little stupid Adonai 1.
RE: What greatly confuses me about this forum... - Adonai One - 04-25-2014
(04-25-2014, 07:37 PM)Horuseus Wrote:(04-24-2014, 09:22 PM)Adonai One Wrote: then why is the concept of oneness denoted as something not attainable in this density according to some of this community?
Because "understanding is not of this density"?
What do you mean by 'attaining a concept of oneness' in this density? How would that work practically speaking?
What is "all things" to you?
(04-25-2014, 07:51 PM)Alex Zachary Wrote: Unity is felt when we stop rationalizing it, when we stop using our brains. When we make our questions disappear.This answers much of what I am attempting to convey. Thank you, Zachary.
So , maybe you need to get a little stupid Adonai 1.
RE: What greatly confuses me about this forum... - zenmaster - 04-26-2014
(04-25-2014, 04:44 PM)Adonai One Wrote: I find that I do not wish to create such experiences as it only creates competition and not an environment of teaching/learning.It only creates competition if that is your intent A1. Do you not really see how that must work? Rather a fool-proof system of interaction. Now, if the competitive or dominating mindset is what is being suggested to you, you may want to take a look at that as personal catalyst rather than actively bypassing confrontation with shadow. I think it's a disservice and rather irresponsible to not confront that unconscious position once it is revealed by suggestion, and even openly admitted no less.
RE: What greatly confuses me about this forum... - Adonai One - 04-26-2014
It is rude to me that one would embrace this form of Socratic method over simply talking to another with no expectation. While it it is well to discuss things intensely, it is clear to me your intent is just to dominate the conversation. It is an adequate service to those that enjoy it. As for me, it brings me no pleasure.
RE: What greatly confuses me about this forum... - manniz - 04-26-2014
(04-25-2014, 07:51 PM)Alex Zachary Wrote: Unity is felt when we stop rationalizing it, when we stop using our brains. When we make our questions disappear.
So , maybe you need to get a little stupid Adonai 1.
That is actually a good analogy. Stupidity, or momentary feelings can help us experience and appreciate unity, and basically a spirit's path can be defined as slowly experiencing unity consciously, in full awareness, and with increasing wisdom. And during all this, experiencing and understanding love. Some may do it sooner, others later (STS).
So basically love - > stupid love -> wise love.
RE: What greatly confuses me about this forum... - Jeremy - 04-26-2014
(04-25-2014, 07:51 PM)Alex Zachary Wrote: Unity is felt when we stop rationalizing it, when we stop using our brains. When we make our questions disappear.
So , maybe you need to get a little stupid Adonai 1.
I like this because what Alex is saying is that you should try to relax a bit and just go with the flow. I don't think I've ever seen a coy or comedic post from you on the forums. Maybe loosening up a bit and as others have suggested, let Immanuel come out and play a bit.
Don't forget that joy brings out wonderful aspects of this incarnation
RE: What greatly confuses me about this forum... - manniz - 04-26-2014
(04-26-2014, 12:04 PM)Adonai One Wrote: It is rude to me that one would embrace this form of Socratic method over simply talking to another with no expectation. While it it is well to discuss things intensely, it is clear to me your intent is just to dominate the conversation. It is an adequate service to those that enjoy it. As for me, it brings me no pleasure.
There are expectations. Whether they will be realized or not depends on the one seeing the mirror. And, these expectations are not really relevant to those presenting the mirror, but those, who may learn something from that mirror. That is what Ra material was to me, and way, way more than that, it was life to me. Life's mirrors. It was not Ra material, or even life's fault for showing me different mirrors. It was my responsibility to understand from the mirror, ignore it, or berate it. Learning helped me the most.
In higher densities, these mirrors are shown to entities very gently, and entities are in a very comfortable state, with lots of visible, immediate help, so the mirrors can only affect so much change. That is where third density helps us entities (who are not perfectly balanced yet), because the mirrors are intense, and there is no visible help. Again, it is your choice, not the fault of the mirrors. It is your own path. We got all the time we need to complete it. There is no hurry. Experience is valuable in itself. And, this is not teaching. Heck no. These are the humble lessons that life has taught me, and I am grateful for them.
Again, no expectation of any change in you. Only you have the right to change yourself. If you respond with love that is good enough.
Adonai, maintain the love bro.
RE: What greatly confuses me about this forum... - AnthroHeart - 04-26-2014
So those in a higher density would not be as sensitive as some of the ultra-sensitives here in 3D I take it, because the mirrors are more gentle.
RE: What greatly confuses me about this forum... - Adonai One - 04-26-2014
In the 6th-density, an entity experiences no polarity. How do you believe catalyst is experienced in this density, manniz?
RE: What greatly confuses me about this forum... - manniz - 04-26-2014
(04-26-2014, 03:54 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: So those in a higher density would not be as sensitive as some of the ultra-sensitives here in 3D I take it, because the mirrors are more gentle.
That is what I am assuming Gemini. Think about our higher selves/guides. How much s*** they see us do and think, yet they do not get angry. Even serial killers, dictators have service to others (love) higher selves. So, they cannot guide us if they were sensitive. I think, this sensitivity is just a third density phase, and if it exists it exists in milder forms.
Heck, even beyond this forum, if I met these ultra-sensitives in real life, I would gladly hug them, and listen to their complaints in peace.
(04-26-2014, 04:00 PM)Adonai One Wrote: In the 6th-density, an entity experiences no polarity. How do you believe catalyst is experienced in this density, manniz?
Observations, when up there, intense experience, when a sixth density incarnates here.
I am no higher density expert though, so who knows. For now, I am just a third density being, relaxing and enjoying.