Quote:Ask anyone with a cat or dog whether their pet feels emotion. It's obvious.

(11-01-2011, 01:49 AM)Pickle Wrote: In my opinion it appears to be a display of emotion when I step on their tail.


I could be wrong though. The tail could just be a trigger to show teeth that have nothing to do with nerves or feeling.

I think more testing is needed.

Then a comparison of stepping on a persons appendage to see if there are any signs of emotion.

(11-01-2011, 01:09 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: ?? Because I disagree with you? I have explained my points very clearly. Perhaps you don't understand my points? A discussion does not become ridiculous just because we disagree.

(11-01-2011, 02:04 AM)unity100 Wrote: the blueprint for ALL life in the universe, is same.. mind/body/spirit, 7 chakras, conscious/unconscious and all the emotions feelings and thoughts these bring.

(11-01-2011, 02:09 AM)Pickle Wrote:

(11-01-2011, 02:04 AM)unity100 Wrote: the blueprint for ALL life in the universe, is same.. mind/body/spirit, 7 chakras, conscious/unconscious and all the emotions feelings and thoughts these bring.

I think there is a big difference between conscious and unconscious. How do you suffer when you are unconscious?

(11-01-2011, 02:04 AM)unity100 Wrote: you are escaping into double standards. despite the material you study clearly states that blueprint for ALL life in the UNIVERSE is the same, you just introduce a convenient exception for your convenience so that you can keep doing what you are doing without any kind of conscience repercussions.

(11-01-2011, 02:04 AM)unity100 Wrote: it doesnt matter how you see the exception you are introducing. exception is exception. the blueprint for ALL life in the universe, is same.. mind/body/spirit, 7 chakras, conscious/unconscious and all the emotions feelings and thoughts these bring.

this doesnt change just by saying that 'you dont see it as an exception'. it IS an exception. you are just denying that it is an exception. if we discuss further, you are going to redefine exception and evade that way. i have seen this before. from this point on it becomes pointless.

i thank you for your discussion.

(11-01-2011, 02:51 AM)Oceania Wrote: and some people's boobs are round and squishy and others' are flat and droopy or one is bigger than the other one or they point in different directions. just cuz the blueprint is for boobies it doesn't mean they're the same model! i love your analogy.

(11-01-2011, 02:51 AM)Oceania Wrote: and some people's boobs are round and squishy and others' are flat and droopy or one is bigger than the other one or they point in different directions. just cuz the blueprint is for boobies it doesn't mean they're the same model! i love your analogy.

(11-01-2011, 03:56 AM)unity100 Wrote: analogy is wrong. the body in mind/BODY/spirit is not something that is tied to particular material or format used in any form.

it is something that pertains to archetypes.

(11-01-2011, 03:58 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:

(11-01-2011, 03:56 AM)unity100 Wrote: analogy is wrong. the body in mind/BODY/spirit is not something that is tied to particular material or format used in any form.

it is something that pertains to archetypes.

Doesn't matter. Not all energies of the archetypes have full expression, in each entity at all phases of their development. So the analogy works.

(11-01-2011, 04:43 AM)Oceania Wrote: in other words you think a carrot has boobs. :exclamation:

(11-01-2011, 04:04 AM)unity100 Wrote: all entities that are in a given density, are in that level of development and equipped with full facilities of that density.

(11-01-2011, 05:13 AM)unity100 Wrote: i think we talked enough on this.

(11-01-2011, 05:13 AM)unity100 Wrote: i think we talked enough on this.

(11-01-2011, 02:38 PM)Oldern Wrote:

(11-01-2011, 05:13 AM)unity100 Wrote: i think we talked enough on this.

No offense, but this somehow comes up very frequently regarding your arguments. It might be something worth looking into when you meditate, imho. I was like that for years.

Quote:We would like to select one particular instance of this principle for our focus. It is understood among many spiritual seekers that except in cases of humane slaughter our second-density friends are routinely mistreated and abused in the process of converting their physical bodies into our meat foodstuffs. Specifically then, to what extent is the positively-oriented entity responsible for the suffering of second-density creatures when purchasing and consuming the meat of these animals?

(Snip) One valid choice that many of those who have awakened have made is not to eat meat and to find ways to furnish the body with the protein that meat offers by eating other substances, such as legumes, which contain protein.

Another choice that an awakened entity has, as the questioner said, is to move to the purchase only of meats that have been humanely slaughtered. There are two sources of such meats that are generally available to entities within a reasonable amount of distance from where they live. One is to seek out a kosher store [2] which sells meat, knowing that the priests of that religion have treated animals well and have slaughtered them in a sacred ritual which is taken most seriously by those priests.

(Snip)there is always the metaphysically correct choice of relating to the animal in that timeless condition which is called “metaphysical time” wherein all things occur simultaneously, so that you are able to contact any animal, before you eat it, no matter how abused or how slaughtered. And as you contact this animal, you express your love of this animal and your appreciation for all that the animal has gone through in order to give you its energy, its consciousness, such as it is, and its love, which is very real. So, in praise, prayer and thanksgiving you heal the division between you and the meat and the animal from which that meat came.

And as you do this to your meat, dancing with the meat, becoming one with the meat, you are in effect lifting that energy to the infinite Creator, blessing it and healing all that has gone before, for the animal and for you.

(Snip)Questioner: Thank you, Q’uo (Snip)And you also mentioned viable other alternatives for the entity with the growing awareness of the suffering of animals, but I didn’t quite hear anything about whether we are actually responsible for the suffering of other entities by participating in a system which perpetuates their suffering. I would appreciate any insight you may offer on that question.

[i](Snip)

Are you responsible for the fireworks that are going off outside this dwelling? [4] Are you your brother’s keeper? In truth, other entities and their actions are not within the purview of your choices. Your choices are those within your ability to make. You cannot be responsible for the folly of others except insofar as you are given the light to feel that you wish to take on a crusade to change others’ opinions, to change policy and so forth.

Spiritually speaking, your choices are all within yourself. And within yourself you have the power to do that which you feel is right. We did not move into the question of responsibility for your brother’s actions. And we would say, my friends, your brothers’ and your sisters’ actions, accept, for the most part, decisions such as war and slaughter made by those of the male biological principle upon your planet.

(Snip)in working with the basic query which was were you responsible for the meat that you eat in that if you eat meat that has been slaughtered by another you are buying into or inferring acceptance of that which you, in fact, do not accept. We were attempting to explain that you have the capacity at various levels to erase and heal those perceived errors by the way you choose to treat that which is before you, whether it is meat or war or whatever you have come upon that is suddenly in your face.

(11-07-2011, 03:46 AM)zack231 Wrote: Since discovering the Law of One I absolutely hate eating meat

(11-07-2011, 03:46 AM)zack231 Wrote: but I cannot help but eat it as I am 18 and still living at home and that is all my family ever eats.. Occasionally I try not to eat it and feel much better about myself. For I can now see and feel through extensive seeking and meditation how everything is one, thus I see an animal as the same as a human, they are all the one consciousness of the infinite creator experiencing itself infintitely.. When I don't eat it or say I don't really like meat they just laugh at me and think I am joking..

(11-07-2011, 03:46 AM)zack231 Wrote: I do feel a little better about it though after reading a channelling from Q'uo which stated that there is little impact on the spirit or beingness of an entity if it were of loving nature, they suggested that almost all karma and negativity can be taken out through sending love and light to the 2nd density creature which has passed though its incarnation and thanking it for passing and understanding the negativity it went though at the hands of another entity. Thus before I eat any meat I always have my hand over it (When no one is looking lol) I repeat this is my mind every time. "I thank this 2nd density creature for passing through it's incarnation, to bring sustenance to my body so that I am able to further develop my ways to the Law of One in service to other selves. I understand the fear it went though and send my love and light to it and thank it"

(11-07-2011, 08:34 AM)_X7 Wrote: If the dracaena plant reaction of Dr Backster were so important, i'm surprised no one has bothered to replicate the experiment or develop a related field of evidence. Such experiments can be performed at low cost. My assumption is that this is far too subjective for big-science and not really interesting beyond speculation.

There have been many bio-research applications for ohm-meters (like Backster's polygraph) in unrelated work. Too many to list. I think this other-researcher had a better use: http://www.wrf.org/men-women-medicine/dr-harold-s-burr.php Yet his work is forgotten and his book has become a rare collector's item. My main point being that the application of ohm meters in science run far and wide. So wide in fact that the Backster observation may yet support other conclusions altogether. (I won't bore you). Perhaps some humans possess strong energy fields, strong enough to change experimental results. The famous "Heisenberg uncertainty principle" comes to mind. Or outside of physics, the ancient concept of mind over matter. Or unawareness of personal power at a distance. So much to pick through and i would expect one will find countless effects which are not particularly replicable.

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I'd go further to say experiments with plant feelings might be bonded to our own feelings.

(11-07-2011, 11:22 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Well said! That is exactly my point too: The research is inconclusive and quite subject to interpretation. To use it to justify eating animals is faulty logic and flies in the face of everything we know about the plant-based diet, not the least of which is that plants heal.