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RE: My take on masks. - Diana - 08-22-2020
(08-22-2020, 04:11 PM)Patrick Wrote:http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2010/2010_1113.aspx Q`uo Wrote:...you cast yourself into the midair of faith having no proof of anything but the simple feeling, the knowing, that all truly is well and that the universe does make sense. It is not meaningless, and you are not alone. You are loved, you are needed, you are full of purpose, and you simply need to let go of any preconceived notions as to how that works and simply engage in life to the best of your ability, as a conscious seeker that understands the power of choice, the power of desire, the power of intention. The universe will begin to perceive you as joining the dance. You will begin to get synchronicities back. You will see repeating numbers. You will see your totem animal. You will see the signs that what you were thinking is important and that what you were thinking just now is especially important, so ponder it.
The universe will begin to help you. You will feel that feedback. And the more you lean into that, the more you will receive it, so that eventually, when someone says, “Well, why do you believe the way you do?” you have almost no ability to explain. Because you are an old, experienced hand at working with the Game of Life now. You understand about choices. You understand about love. You understand about the hall of mirrors in which all things speak to you—people, situations and things—and you are comfortable at last in this game, and enthusiastic to play it...
Diana. Based on the above quote. Would you believe that anyone becomes "comfortable at last in this game, and enthusiastic to play it" because of their lot in life OR do you believe their abundance of everything in life comes from reaching that enthusiastic state no matter what their previous circumstances were ?
Firstly, I have no beliefs.
What I can say is I think it can happen either way, though the second way is more difficult to maintain (easier to achieve in "moments").
Were is different than are. In circumstances of lack of food, shelter, companionship—I think it's possible to perceive abundance but I also think it takes a very advanced or disciplined person to do it. To maintain that perspective in the midst of famine, war, poverty, would be remarkable. I personally don't know anyone capable of that. Do you? I think a person can have gratitude at any time, however.
Regarding what Q'uo said: I can relate to some of it but some of it sounds like new age rhetoric. I do not agree that all is well. The veil, according to Ra, was an experiment by this Logos. Proceeding from that assumption, it is possible it was a mistake, or not a productive thing to do on balance. Perhaps it advances evolution which might be a good thing, but at the same time it has caused untolled suffering—not just to humans. I find the idea that it's all in service to a Creator to be as facile and irritating as the Christian idea of a God to worship and obey. Why is suffering okay because it gives a being (the Creator) what it wants? Doesn't it make anyone here feel used? So you may say that's because I feel separate, or something to that effect. Regardless of the idea that all is one (which from a scientific perspective really can't be denied), and each individual life here being part of a whole cosmic being, I still don't agree with certain things at this point. I am aware that the perspective I am canvassing derives from a narrow view based on a veiled, 3 (or 4 as the case may be) dimensional, very limited existence. But it's not in my nature just to follow and believe something because it supposedly comes from a "higher" source.
I only speculate. And my thoughts are subject to change at any time. I am at that place where I question the efficacy of the veil. On the other hand, it is what it is, and there is no use fighting against what is. However, questioning things is just what a thinking person does. Considering evolution on this planet in 3rd density, where would we be without the individuals who questioned the status quo (such as Copernicus)?
RE: My take on masks. - curio_city - 08-22-2020
(08-22-2020, 01:31 PM)Jade Wrote:(08-22-2020, 10:28 AM)curio_city Wrote: I see a lot of reference in your post to "feeling safe." It reminds me of Cancel Culture and the idea of "safe zones" on campuses that are really just freedom from challenge so long as members serve the reigning ideology. The concept of feeling safe is very different than actually being safe, and both are very different than being prepared. I do not feel an obligation to adhere to others' ideas of what makes them safe more than my own ideas of how best to prepare others. In fact, it is others' ideas of and drives toward perceived safety that can so often lead them astray.
Do you understand the concept of a social memory complex? The concept of not harming others? Compassion? Because all of these things go into making others "feel safe". If you act upon your own will to the detriment of others' peace of mind or feelings of safety, you aren't contributing to the foundation of 4th density energies. In fact, I think you are confused because you are putting such a high value on your own safety that you deny changing your behavior for others. It is the concept of "sacrifice" for the harmony of the group that is paramount to 4th density, to feeling and expressing compassion.
It's so funny how people who have certain "ideologies" always make concepts *about* ideology by using buzzwords like "safe spaces" because I promoted the idea of taking care of each other in a compassionate way. I really never understood what was wrong about creating spaces where people couldn't use toxic or abusive language against others. You actually didn't address anything I said but went off on a tangent about safe spaces. I was addressing the issue that people often claim that wearing masks is a threat to their own safety, i.e. their body autonomy and freedom to feel "healthy". In your OP you literally said wearing a mask is a weapon. It's interesting how quickly people are to project their own insecurities upon others. Anti-maskers fear the government, pro-maskers fear the potential of debilitating disease. It's all fear-based, and acting as if you are above it is hypocritical as you have clearly stated your motivations.
Jade, I really appreciate the opportunities you're presenting me with. I'm grateful to have such deep conversations with anyone; though, my interlocutors and I may not always be willing to travel the same paths. I may not follow you into the more detailed aspects of your argument, instead giving favor to the more general concepts that may be developed to characterize thinking patterns. I used the phrase "safe spaces" because it seemed relevant to some of your thinking patterns, and based on the opinion you stated of "safe spaces" it appears I was correct.
In my original post, I do no more than present a lens for use in examination of current circumstances. Use it, or don't. I do not state that wearing masks is, without a doubt, weaponry. I do not even state whether or not I wear masks; it now seems pertinent to mention that I do typically wear masks where they are required. I do this because I balance what I want for others with the likelihood of its occurrence given my actions; when it comes to mask-wearing, I have not decided that the likelihood of distortions toward fear and alienation in others should be outweighed by other considerations. I certainly would not describe any of my positions as "anti" anything, nor would I intentionally base any course on fear. The best ways to love may not be obvious, and the topic deserves some thinking and openness.
In my original post, I was inviting readers to consider another perspective and to discern for themselves what the best path forward might be. This was presented here based on my belief that the viewpoint could be useful to those seeking more and better ways to serve others. I hope those thinking on this find the experiences that will help them to discern the best paths forward for their polarities -- as well as the realizations that the paths forward they find illustrate their polarities.
RE: My take on masks. - Jade - 08-22-2020
First let me clarify that I wasn't directly addressing you in most of my post, Diana. When I refer to anti-maskers, I am talking about people who literally think that you and I both are sheep who bend to every whim of the government because we are wearing a mask. I know for a fact that this isn't the case for either of us.
(08-22-2020, 03:34 PM)Diana Wrote:(08-22-2020, 02:12 PM)Jade Wrote:(08-22-2020, 12:34 PM)Diana Wrote: ...I'm not just going to swallow any BS that's handed out by a corrupt media and government with buffoons who make no sense.
What do you think you are being lied to about specifically? The government is always lying to us. I don't trust them. I do trust germ theory, however, and I see that the US has death counts that dwarf other countries based upon our lack of basic action to protect us from this virus. Do you think every other government lied to its people as well?
I was speaking generally there. I don't know what I'm being lied to about. I can only guess. I normally don't pay much attention to the human drama of politics.
If I may explain my thoughts: Almost everything is technically hearsay. Do you know what is actually happening anywhere outside of your physical location? In Europe? In Asia? All we have is what we are told. And this includes statistics. So, I must believe the statistics in order to agree with what you say. I don't—there is too much conflicting information. That is not to say you aren't right. I DON"T KNOW.
Yes I think all governments lie to its people. It's a working theory anyway—since almost all information is hearsay.
I understand this concept and this is why I also don't read much news. However, there is still an objective reality that we agree exists. I have an idea of what is happening in other countries re: the pandemic because I've heard personal testimony from others, not because I'm reading the news and believing everything the media says. Like I said, to me it comes down to simple germ theory. Something is killing us. It's not killing people in other countries at the same rate. There is one main variable.
Quote:As far as the permanent damage Covid-19 does, even that is not clear whether the damage is done from the virus or from medical treatment. I'm not that informed, but there seems to be controversy regarding that.
What they have actually found is that COVID attacks the blood vessels, and most people who have extreme symptoms experience that in the lungs and have breathing problems. There are many people who have *brain damage* after having COVID, and that's not likely from the treatment. Also, we'd have more cases of people being intubated or whatever treatment you say is causing all of this harm from other ailments having these complications. This just doesn't ring true to me. I've seen personal testimony from healthy people getting COVID and being weakened for months afterwards.
It doesn't really serve me or allow me to serve others believing that everything about COVID is a lie, or that over 100,000 deaths have been faked or fudged. This is global and there would have to be way too many people in on the great lie to pull this off. Occam's Razor tells me it's much more likely we're experiencing a global pandemic caused by improper utilization of animal agriculture. I actually am shocked that you don't see the direct correlation, as almost all of our pandemics and communicable diseases have come from animals and the objectively disgusting spaces that must be maintained to farm and slaughter them.
Quote:I don't know that I am short-sighted. I'm just bringing up points to consider, and trying to navigate this morass.
Again, the above about slowing the virus is questionable and relies on statistics. They may be correct. But since the onset of this global pandemic, not much in the way of response has made any sense to me.
Do you think there's a reason why the US has many, many, many times more infections and deaths than almost every other countries? Have you compared and contrasted the responses of the "successful" countries with what the US has done?
Quote:(08-21-2020, 08:35 PM)Jade Wrote: How we choose to react to this catalyst is upon each of us. It doesn't scare me to only see half of someone's face. What I notice is how much people go out of their way to be kinder or show that they are smiling with their eyes to compensate for the lack of smiles. What I see is people willing to make the (very, very small) sacrifice of wearing a mask to make others feel safe and protected (as you do). Wearing a mask isn't about affirming our own safety, it's about protecting others, and many anti-maskers seem to miss this. What I see is people who are endeavoring to protect the weaker and more vulnerable among us, vs those who are willing to sacrifice the "less than 1%" who will die, so that they can sit at a bar and breathe freely upon each other or go shopping at Costco and pretend that things are "back to normal". What I see is that people who are anti-mask are often in denial, afraid of the reality we have created with our poor choices and poor stewardship of the planet, realizing that their actions could affect others but instead preferring to double down on their individual liberty in the face of being asked to make a sacrifice for the collective wellbeing. What I see is people who refuse to wear a mask are projecting their fears and inability to cope with difficulties upon those who are wearing masks.
That was quite a speech, but it I find it to be judgmental (not intentionally I think), idealistic, and one-dimensional. I agree with much of it. But the attitudes of people are a mixed bag and I don't think they can be so pigeonholed. On Nextdoor Neighbor I see a wide range of reasons and attitudes from people.
I've seen a wide range of attitudes as well, but the anti-mask rhetoric is so very often one-dimensional. Whether I'm idealistic or judgemental, I don't know. These are my honest feelings. Isn't it just as judgemental to say that people have more suspicion in their eyes, and therefore are less trustworthy because half of their face is covered? I understand why you feel that way, but can't you see that it might be more of a symptom of your lack of regular interaction with others, and your own distrust of the situation, rather than an actual negative vibe that is being perpetuated?
Quote:For some people this may apply. But not everyone who questions the mask is afraid and paranoid—of anything. How about just practical concern? Or intelligent questioning?
I have seen very, very little good-faith questioning of the idea of wearing a mask. I truly understand why you are skeptical but it doesn't resonate with me to dismiss anything I haven't explicitly experienced myself. I try to take feedback from the objective reality and put it through my own discernment, and I'm sharing my own conclusions. Most anti maskers say they don't wear masks because it shows that they are afraid, but then speak of being afraid of the government. People say it's a hoax, but then also say it only affects the weakest of the population. People say the government is lying to us to make us scared, but our president is publicly a COVID denier, but privately gets tested every single day and forces those who meet with him to get a test before they do. The contradictions are far too overwhelming to keep up with. Once I would like to see someone pull off a cohesive narrative re: this "conspiracy" but I've not seen anything close.
I'm not anti-conspiracy. I don't trust the government. I realize that there is a lot of money on both sides trying to push their preferred narrative for their own financial gain. I don't have control over that. All I have control over is my response and my actions. I'm going to behave as if this is actually a global pandemic that is killing people because so far, the proof is in that pudding far more than any other. I know that no matter what, the narrative is going to be hijacked so that people can make more money. We live in a capitalistic oligarchy and those in charge have a ton of control over what people believe. I just want to choose the narrative and actions that exhibit the most compassion for others.
Quote:Quote:[41.14]In third density, at this time, those clinging to orange ray have a much more complex system of distortions through which orange ray is manifested. This is somewhat complicated. We shall endeavor to simplify.
The appropriate true color for third density is, as you have ascertained, yellow. However, the influences of the true color, green, acting upon yellow-ray entities have caused many entities to revert to the consideration of self rather than the stepping forward into consideration of other-self or green ray. This may not be seen to be of a negatively polarized nature, as the negatively polarized entity is working very intensively with the deepest manifestations of yellow-ray group energies, especially the manipulations of other-self for service to self. Those reverting to orange ray, and we may add these are many upon your plane at this time, are those who feel the vibrations of true color green and, therefore, respond by rejecting governmental and societal activities as such and seek once more the self.
However, not having developed the yellow ray properly so that it balances the personal vibratory rates of the entity, the entity then is faced with the task of further activation and balancing of the self in relation to the self, thus the orange-ray manifestations at this space/time nexus.
Thus true color orange is that which it is, without difference. However, the manifestations of this or any ray may be seen to be most various depending upon the vibratory levels and balances of the mind/body or mind/body/spirit complexes which are expressing these energies.
It is not as simple as caring about the safety of others regarding the virus. What about the safety of others regarding starvation, poverty, lack of proper healthcare; and so on due to oppression? Is it okay then to allow a government to further impose tactics which contribute to the oppression? It isn't JUST about the masks. It's typical that the media will incite the mask issue as being the pivotal issue when there are deeper things happening. If it wasn't so serious and sad, the fight over mask-wearing would be comical.
And by the way, I am not afraid of people in the stores, or paranoid. Maybe you live somewhere where people are all nice and friendly to each other. The Phoenix area is not like that. I was just speculating about the long-term affects of average people—the ones I see generally in this area. Perhaps you are right that people will somehow come out of this with a better understanding of service to others. I'm dubious. I don't think it happened after 911—in fact, it incited hatred for Muslims and middle-easterners that seems to still be in effect.
We will see how it shakes out. We are nearly two decades further along than we were at 911, so maybe this will be very different.
I don't watch the media so I don't know if the media is the one primarily pushing the mask rhetoric. All I see is people arguing about it in the internet spaces I frequent (mostly Law of One related) and making big posts proclaiming their stance on wearing masks (usually the large proclamations come from those who refuse to wear masks). And almost always those posts are full of fear and projection. Colorado Springs is hardly an open and welcoming place, but I've found that if I carry that energy with me, people respond in kind. This isn't meant to be judgy or accusatory, this is just what I've learned from my many many many hours of interacting with strangers in public as a lifelong waitress. Our own energy that we project leads the energy we receive from others. I personally feel like people have been far more polite in recent months. In fact, the biggest trouble makers are the ones who refuse to wear a mask in a public space and attack and harass the low-wage employees who are just trying to enforce what they believe to be a basic public safety protocol. There are far more people who are anti-mask throwing angry temper tantrums than there are people who are pro-mask, at least from what I've seen.
Maybe you don't know anyone who has had COVID yet, or died from it. I know several people who have had it and know others who have had close family die. It's just so bizarre that people don't want to take it seriously so the only rational explanation I can find is that it's denial. We want everything to go back to normal so it's easier to ignore what's happening than to accept making changes in our daily experience. If we consent to changing our behavior, we are consenting to the reality that has changed. I understand people are resistant and hesitant to do this. The world is quite scary and we all need to be making different choices to put it on a new trajectory, and we need to stop blaming institutions and take charge of our own contributions to the planetary situation.
RE: My take on masks. - AnthroHeart - 08-22-2020
(08-22-2020, 05:04 PM)Diana Wrote: Firstly, I have no beliefs.
If we had no beliefs, we would have no experience, as I understand it.
I could be wrong though.
I have heard that enlightened people have no beliefs. But I understand that beliefs create our reality.
RE: My take on masks. - Diana - 08-22-2020
(08-22-2020, 05:19 PM)Jade Wrote: First let me clarify that I wasn't directly addressing you in most of my post, Diana. When I refer to anti-maskers, I am talking about people who literally think that you and I both are sheep who bend to every whim of the government because we are wearing a mask. I know for a fact that this isn't the case for either of us.
I feel as though we are talking at cross purposes almost on different subjects.
I admit to extreme ignorance on this subject regarding specifics, and have offered only general ideas that perhaps don't fit the reality of this situation.
(08-22-2020, 05:19 PM)Jade Wrote: Occam's Razor tells me it's much more likely we're experiencing a global pandemic caused by improper utilization of animal agriculture. I actually am shocked that you don't see the direct correlation, as almost all of our pandemics and communicable diseases have come from animals and the objectively disgusting spaces that must be maintained to farm and slaughter them.
I do see that correlation. That, and the way we humans have raped and pillaged the planet in general affecting the environment and the health of all living things.
I think if one looks with an open mind, a lot of correlations can be seen. One that comes to mind is extraterrestrial abductions where the people are experimented on. It boggles my mind that that correlation isn't seen.
(08-22-2020, 05:19 PM)Jade Wrote: Do you think there's a reason why the US has many, many, many times more infections and deaths than almost every other countries? Have you compared and contrasted the responses of the "successful" countries with what the US has done?
I have not researched it to any comprehensive extent. Mostly because I don't believe the statistics. Perhaps I'm not qualified to have a valid opinion here because of that.
(08-22-2020, 05:19 PM)Jade Wrote: I've seen a wide range of attitudes as well, but the anti-mask rhetoric is so very often one-dimensional. Whether I'm idealistic or judgemental, I don't know. These are my honest feelings. Isn't it just as judgemental to say that people have more suspicion in their eyes, and therefore are less trustworthy because half of their face is covered? I understand why you feel that way, but can't you see that it might be more of a symptom of your lack of regular interaction with others, and your own distrust of the situation, rather than an actual negative vibe that is being perpetuated?
No. That is not the case. I'm just observing. I, like you, have a sincerely loving attitude toward others. I just see the way people treat and look at each other. It's not rocket science. You can see what's in people's eyes. If you are suggesting that I look for these things you are wrong. It has frankly shocked me a little.
(08-22-2020, 05:19 PM)Jade Wrote: I just want to choose the narrative and actions that exhibit the most compassion for others.
I can't argue with that.
(08-22-2020, 05:19 PM)Jade Wrote: I personally feel like people have been far more polite in recent months. In fact, the biggest trouble makers are the ones who refuse to wear a mask in a public space and attack and harass the low-wage employees who are just trying to enforce what they believe to be a basic public safety protocol. There are far more people who are anti-mask throwing angry temper tantrums than there are people who are pro-mask, at least from what I've seen.
You likely have a more comprehensive view considering my very small amount of public interaction.
(08-22-2020, 05:19 PM)Jade Wrote: Maybe you don't know anyone who has had COVID yet, or died from it. I know several people who have had it and know others who have had close family die.
I do know people who have had it but with no serious results. And I know people who have had close people die (very few) but I have no details. So maybe it's cavalier of me to say that I would likely have the same questions and concerns if I did know more people adversely affected. I sincerely hope that personal tragedy would not deter me from looking at the bigger picture.
Maybe that looks callous in words on a page, but I don't intend that.
(08-22-2020, 05:19 PM)Jade Wrote: It's just so bizarre that people don't want to take it seriously so the only rational explanation I can find is that it's denial. We want everything to go back to normal so it's easier to ignore what's happening than to accept making changes in our daily experience. If we consent to changing our behavior, we are consenting to the reality that has changed. I understand people are resistant and hesitant to do this. The world is quite scary and we all need to be making different choices to put it on a new trajectory, and we need to stop blaming institutions and take charge of our own contributions to the planetary situation.
I agree that change is needed. Personal accountability and responsibility being at the center of that change.
RE: My take on masks. - Diana - 08-22-2020
(08-22-2020, 05:38 PM)Great Central Sun Wrote:(08-22-2020, 05:04 PM)Diana Wrote: Firstly, I have no beliefs.
If we had no beliefs, we would have no experience, as I understand it.
I could be wrong though.
I have heard that enlightened people have no beliefs. But I understand that beliefs create our reality.
I have what I call working theories. I think beliefs are too rigid, having the tendency of wanting to be defended, and stop new information from coming in because it conflicts with beliefs.
I hear what you're saying about belief creating reality. I don't know if that would be beliefs, or focus (such as changing the wave to a particle in the double-slit experiment), or an agreement or contract with the collective, or something else, or all meaning essentially the same thing. This would be a good topic to explore in a dedicated thread.
RE: My take on masks. - Infinite Unity - 08-22-2020
(08-22-2020, 05:38 PM)Great Central Sun Wrote:(08-22-2020, 05:04 PM)Diana Wrote: Firstly, I have no beliefs.
If we had no beliefs, we would have no experience, as I understand it.
I could be wrong though.
I have heard that enlightened people have no beliefs. But I understand that beliefs create our reality.
Belief is hope that something your uncertain/confused about is a certain way. Beliefs create our reality through a chain reaction of choices:action. You belief something is a certain way; therefore you act and choose based from those beliefs.
To truly have no beliefs One would have to fully enter The Present.
In my eyes “enlightenment” comes in many magnitudes, and I equate “enlightenment” with being aware to a varying degree, of the true nature/structure of The True Reality.
RE: My take on masks. - Patrick - 08-22-2020
(08-22-2020, 05:04 PM)Diana Wrote: ...What I can say is I think it can happen either way, though the second way is more difficult to maintain (easier to achieve in "moments")...
My whole life has been setup to show me that you are miserable, whatever your circumstances, until you decide that you're not. THEN everything changes to align. Not just with things in my life, but also what I observed in others. You could live in abundance of everything and still feel miserable and unhappy, this is actually true more often than not unfortunately. The perspective one has on life changes the whole experience even if nothing external were to change, but it's been my experience that the external does change to make things even better once you've decided that all is well always (I know that this is not the case for us while incarnated down here, but trying to believe it does help a little
).It's like the Universe can't resist giving you everything it can just after you've decided you needed very little to be happy. I guess this looks like a cosmic farce when looking at it from a different perspective.
(08-22-2020, 05:04 PM)Diana Wrote: ...In circumstances of lack of food, shelter, companionship—I think it's possible to perceive abundance but I also think it takes a very advanced or disciplined person to do it. To maintain that perspective in the midst of famine, war, poverty, would be remarkable. I personally don't know anyone capable of that. Do you?
No.
Or if I do I'm not aware that they can.(08-22-2020, 05:04 PM)Diana Wrote: ...I think a person can have gratitude at any time, however...
That I can relate to. Lately, I have been finding myself able to say thank you to the Universe even when I am in pain, sad or when angry or other little things like that. Thank you for this life and all experiences. It gives you the bizarre feeling of wanting to laugh at your angry self. I guess a mainstream observer would think I'm going crazy.
It comes from the exercise of wanting to see Love in all moments, but yeah these are tiny things compared to the maelstrom of emotions on this planet. I would not like to be tested with this while being fired upon by mortars or while truly starving for food (or while being crucified on a cross).
(08-22-2020, 05:04 PM)Diana Wrote: ...I do not agree that all is well...
Ah ! That is good to know. This gives a much larger window for understanding.
(08-22-2020, 05:04 PM)Diana Wrote: ...The veil, according to Ra, was an experiment by this Logos. Proceeding from that assumption, it is possible it was a mistake, or not a productive thing to do on balance...
I've been interested in this very subject lately. Started this thread if you did not see it yet: Was Evil invented by mistake
(08-22-2020, 05:04 PM)Diana Wrote: ...
I only speculate. And my thoughts are subject to change at any time. I am at that place where I question the efficacy of the veil. On the other hand, it is what it is, and there is no use fighting against what is. However, questioning things is just what a thinking person does. Considering evolution on this planet in 3rd density, where would we be without the individuals who questioned the status quo (such as Copernicus)?
Speculating is the only thing we can do. The reason that sometimes I seem to "peddle" the things that I quote is only because I either experienced it myself or resonate with it so much that for me it's the same as having experienced it in this current lifetime. It's not my style to just spew stuff because it's new age or it sounds cool.
Still, I do come off as arrogant more often than I'd like and I apologize for that. But that is part of the blue-ray issues I am dealing with currently. And of course, exchanges like this one helps very much in this regard.Anyway, I believe I know what you mean and I respect that fully. The best thing that could happen to this planet is if all people started thinking critically for themselves.
RE: My take on masks. - Diana - 08-23-2020
(08-22-2020, 08:22 PM)Patrick Wrote: My whole life has been setup to show me that you are miserable, whatever your circumstances, until you decide that you're not.
I agree that acting (making a choice) rather than reacting (being a victim of circumstances) changes a person's perspective.
(08-22-2020, 08:22 PM)Patrick Wrote: Still, I do come off as arrogant more often than I'd like and I apologize for that. But that is part of the blue-ray issues I am dealing with currently. And of course, exchanges like this one helps very much in this regard.
Anyway, I believe I know what you mean and I respect that fully. The best thing that could happen to this planet is if all people started thinking critically for themselves.
You have never come across as arrogant on these forums that I can recall.
I would be interested to hear of your blue ray challenges if you care to talk about them. If not, no worries.
RE: My take on masks. - Yuroz - 08-23-2020
I don't like this mask situation, soon I will have to fly and I know that it is obligatory to wear masks. 5 hours in a mask.... this is going to be the worst flight
RE: My take on masks. - Patrick - 08-23-2020
(08-23-2020, 12:05 AM)Diana Wrote: ...
I would be interested to hear of your blue ray challenges if you care to talk about them. If not, no worries.
Certainly.
First, I'm a very good liar. I use it for defense. I can't remember ever using it here on this forum (I hope I'm not lying by saying this
). I never felt that I had to. Now I would like to understand why I feel the need to defend in this way. I accepted that part of me already and I'm not even sure I would want to change that. But at the same time I can't help thinking that there must be ways of handling those situations as effectively but without lying. Is it even a blockage in the throat chakra that I would need to address? I'm not sure. An example: It is now fully legal in Canada to use cannabis and when we cross the border into the USA, the border agent can ask you if you have ever consumed cannabis at any time in your life. If you answer yes to that question, you are not only refused entry, but you are banned forever to enter the USA. I have absolutely no qualms whatsoever lying in such situations. Not even a pinprick of unease.Also, I have serious difficulties listening to others properly. I am pondering my experiences in real time pretty much all the time while they are happening (using the Law of One). So I'm thinking a lot when I'm around people. If a person starts talking to me, I'll often miss the start of the sentence because I'll let my thinking finish before giving full attention to the person. And without full attention, what is said is completely missed. I can only do one thing at a time (yeah I know, I'm a guy
). I have to ask people to repeat all the time ! Plus I'm starting to lose a bit of my hearing it seems. My father has serious troubles with his hearing, so that's not very surprising.So I am working on those two themes at the moment. Mostly on listening. And it's working too, I'm getting better.
Yesterday I even had a bit of telepathy it seems. I had one of my elbow on the dinner table and my mind was screaming at me to remove it from there. I remember thinking: "C'mon, no one here is giving any attention to a small thing like that". But then my wife whispered to me: "Could you please remove your elbow from the table!" 
. It was crystal clear to me that this happened because I am currently working on blue-ray.Anyway, all completely off track for this thread. So mods if you feel like moving this post, be my guest!
RE: My take on masks. - sillypumpkins - 08-23-2020
Lol, Patrick, I can relate to blue ray issues.... in fact, I wasn't conscious of them until reading your post! Thanks for that
RE: My take on masks. - Diana - 08-23-2020
(08-23-2020, 09:08 AM)Patrick Wrote: Certainly.
First, I'm a very good liar. I use it for defense. I can't remember ever using it here on this forum (I hope I'm not lying by saying this
This is a very interesting quandary. I am sure I would lie in that situation as well, though I don't consider myself a liar, which is what makes this so interesting. The question asked at the border is ridiculous, and it must be a given that people lie about it considering the consequences. I smoked pot in my twenties, and I wonder who hasn't at some time? This brings up the question of whether lying or transparency is the greater path. Would it have been advisable for a Jewish person to be transparent at the border of Germany while trying to flee Hitler's regime? I am not talking about good or bad; as I'm sure you aren't. But I do wonder if it causes blockages. I guess a consideration would be whether the person lying feels any resistance to it.
(08-22-2020, 08:22 PM)Patrick Wrote: Also, I have serious difficulties listening to others properly. I am pondering my experiences in real time pretty much all the time while they are happening (using the Law of One). So I'm thinking a lot when I'm around people. If a person starts talking to me, I'll often miss the start of the sentence because I'll let my thinking finish before giving full attention to the person. And without full attention, what is said is completely missed. I can only do one thing at a time (yeah I know, I'm a guy
Listening is certainly an art and a service. In my experience very few people really listen. It is something I work on as well. The way I deal with it is to make a commitment when I interact with others. This is easy for me because I am alone most of the time and I work a lot (alone). So when I do decide to go out and interact with others, I make the commitment to do so and be of service. Therefore, listening comes easy. Difficulty arises with less than a handful of family and friends, whom I interact with randomly. My greatest issue with that is people talk about things that don't interest me (like you, my interests are philosophical in nature, or business oriented), so I lose patience at times.
It is curious to me that you have hearing problems. I know Ra says that the mind creates the body from the archetypes (paraphrased of course). But how does DNA figure into that? I have a similar situation. I inherited my father's talents, chief among them advanced artistic ability, but I also inherited his myopia (near-sightedness). I am the only sibling of 4 who did. So how does that fit with the idea that the mind creates the body? The myopia was likely there at birth for me, and got to a point where it became obvious around age 6 (it is progressive myopia). I have often speculated that when I "came here," or incarnated, I did not want to see what was going on here—because otherwise I have always been super healthy. It also has occurred to me that I come from a place where the eyes were very different, because as a child I always thought my eyes looked wrong. But how does that square with genetics?
(08-22-2020, 08:22 PM)Patrick Wrote: So I am working on those two themes at the moment. Mostly on listening. And it's working too, I'm getting better.
That's awesome, and encouraging.
RE: My take on masks. - unity100 - 08-23-2020
(08-21-2020, 02:18 PM)Great Central Sun Wrote: ^^Unity,
Corona is a virus, not a bacteria. Will they do that petri-dish test on the spread of real Corona?
Because the propagation mechanic and the distribution of them are same.
https://www.insider.com/microbiologist-shows-how-a-mask-catches-droplets-coronavirus-2020-7
(08-21-2020, 02:58 PM)curio_city Wrote: Thank you for your response. I think it's important here to make a distinction between 4th density and the one in which we relate our experiences. Ra was able only to approximate 4th density. One statement of 4th density that stands out to me (16.50): "[I]t is a plane wherein individual differences are pronounced although automatically harmonized by group consensus." I believe what we have in most communities is far from the combined call of a social memory complex, such that an insistence on this --
There is no differentiation or distinction in between the fundamental spiritual principles like selflessness/community and selfishness/negativity. They have the same effect in every given density. From early individual cells in 2nd density first forming collectives by gathering, then forming fully functional bodies to early 4d entities doing the exact same thing.
What identifies and differentiates densities is the emphasis - a given principle is emphasized strongly in a given density, leading to the density taking its nature.
In 4d positive all entities share their everything and serve each other. Someone who cant tolerate it in 3d wont be able to magically be able to do that in 4d positive.
Quote:as well as on communism as a vehicle -- is not only impracticable
Yeah. That should be why entity Ra, a 60 million entity collective, is trying to unify and harmonize as 'I' instead of 'We'. And thats 6d, the density where entities have balanced green ray with blue ray, leading to a refined expression of the collective + the individual.
In 4d that refinement does not exist. Entities sacrifice themselves for the collective. A la Jesus.
Quote:but it precisely embodies the elitist thought so prominently displayed by proponents of socialism and communism.
You precisely have no idea of the political science terms socialism or communism.
Go ahead and stop using communism among your own family. Stop giving food to family members who cant pay the maximum price you set for dinner. If an elderly member is not able to take care of himself and he cant pay, leave him out in the cold. Every kid should be considered in debt from the moment they are born due to the parental care they receive - to be paid back later with interest, from market rate. Maximize your profits in all your dealings within the house. Sub-lease the usage rights to bathroom and other utilities to family members via auction - the one who makes the maximum bid gets the most usage and others are forced out.
Outside the house stop using roads, judiciary, police. Also start defending yourself instead of using the socialized military system.
Quote:A social memory complex is a side effect of a call so united that it far outweighs the individual.
Just making up things or doing extreme interpretations wont resolve your philosophical conundrum.
SMC is an obligation in 4d. So much that without a SMC, you cant even get harvested. So much that before your entire SMC can be harvested, you cant get harvested yourself. Same goes for 6d.
Quote:As far as my question:
Quote:Is there any indication in the Law of One that individuals of our density should be inclined toward community over individual?I think it's important here to note that in my question, I assert that the more prominent position in the Law of One would be "individuals... inclined toward... individual." That statement does not imply service to self.
Does. Separation. Separation of the self from others. Emphasizing individual self is how negativity is explained in the material. The opposite is explained as the ultimate positive, martyrdom. Which is what 99% positively polarized Jesus of Nazareth did.
RE: My take on masks. - Patrick - 08-23-2020
They take it seriously too.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/pot-use-admission-at-u-s-border-snagging-canadian-boomers-says-lawyer-1.4640051
Quote:"They asked me if I'd ever done drugs and I just told the truth," he said. "I didn't want to lie, so I told them, 'Yes, I smoked marijuana 18 years ago.' Four hours later, I was escorted across the border after I was fingerprinted, frisked, pictures taken and asked 1,000 questions, the same question every time."
BUT it seems now that you can do something about it. Although it sounds like groveling for ever.
Quote:He estimated the waiver process will cost him about US$2,000. The cost includes legal fees, criminal record checks and he is expected to write a letter of remorse for smoking marijuana in the past...Saunders said hiring him is not a guarantee that Canadians will be allowed back into the United States. The waiver process can take up to one year to complete and is not permanent, meaning people often must reapply, he said.
Here is what legal counsel tells us to do if we are asked that question.
Quote:"People are often not asked, have they smoked marijuana before?" he said. "The advice we give our clients is always to be as honest with officers as they possibly can be. If I was in the back seat of your car whispering advice in your ear, I'd probably say at that point, I'd rather not answer that question and ask if you can withdraw your application for admission."
The hypocrisy of it is staggering. I may not have an issue with defensive lying, but I do have an issue with hypocrisy in general. I really don't like it. I am NOT an hypocrite and find it really hard to accept. Must be another blue-ray thing I have to work on.
https://www.ezbordercrossing.com/the-inspection-experience/cannabis-at-the-us-canada-border/cannabis-issues-when-entering-the-u-s/
Quote:How to Answer the Question “Have You Ever Smoked Pot?”
CBP officers may profile you and then ask you whether you have used cannabis before. If you say “yes”, you may be turned away at the border. U.S. federal law says that someone is inadmissible to the U.S. if they have either been “convicted of” or “admits having committed” a violation of drug laws in the U.S. or elsewhere. In other words, if you admit to drug use, that is grounds to turn you away, and maybe give you a ban on ever entering the U.S. Not every officer will ask the question, and some officers may have a much tougher response than others. As a result:
Do not even joke about drug use.
It does not matter if you say this was a long time ago. There was a case where an individual was turned away from the U.S. border, and barred for life, after a border guard searched his name on the internet and found that he had written in an academic journal about using LSD in the 1960s.
You have 4 options to the question: “Have You Ever Smoked Pot”
- Lie
- Tell the Truth
- Refuse to Answer
- Revoke Your Request to Enter the U.S.
Lie?
If you lie about your past pot use, be aware that the consequences are likely to be very harsh if you’re caught in the lie. You could face up to a lifetime ban on ever entering the U.S. again. If you receive a shorter ban, your immigration record will always show that you lied to officers. This will likely lead to extensive interrogation at the border for the rest of your life. This will be true even if the U.S. later decides to stop asking about marijuana use.
There are lots of ways that U.S. border officials may uncover your deception. CBP officers are entitled to use any documentary evidence to confirm your statements – whether in print, online or on social media, in text or image. It can be on the internet, your phone, or laptop. Read our page on Border Searches to get a clear idea of the extent of the border patrol’s search powers.
There are also questions as to whether U.S. Customs Officials may be able to get access to Canadian information about the purchase and sale of recreational cannabis. Records of customer purchases, and information from the many companies in the distribution network, will be kept in a wide variety of Canadian databases. In addition, the U.S. Patriot Act permits border officials to access information like credit card data.
...
If you ordered cannabis online or paid on site using a credit card, it's quite possible the agent will see this when asking the question.
BUT agents asking this are mostly the ones on a power trip. The "good" ones don't ask that question. I have never personally been asked that question. The only time I felt I was doing something "wrong" at a border crossing, having bought something on US soil without the intent on declaring it, when actually being asked if I had anything to declare, I said YES and then had to pay taxes and import fees and stuff. I should have been at ease with lying, but I guess in this case it was not really defensive so I couldn't do it.
RE: My take on masks. - Patrick - 08-23-2020
(08-23-2020, 12:57 PM)unity100 Wrote: ...
Go ahead and stop using communism among your own family. Stop giving food to family members who cant pay the maximum price you set for dinner. If an elderly member is not able to take care of himself and he cant pay, leave him out in the cold. Every kid should be considered in debt from the moment they are born due to the parental care they receive - to be paid back later with interest, from market rate. Maximize your profits in all your dealings within the house. Sub-lease the usage rights to bathroom and other utilities to family members via auction - the one who makes the maximum bid gets the most usage and others are forced out.
...
Hey, you're giving out advice targeted at planet Ferenginar. This is Earth and this planet has not yet reached such exquisite use of accounting.
RE: My take on masks. - Glow - 08-23-2020
(08-23-2020, 01:15 PM)Patrick Wrote:(08-23-2020, 12:57 PM)unity100 Wrote: ...
Go ahead and stop using communism among your own family. Stop giving food to family members who cant pay the maximum price you set for dinner. If an elderly member is not able to take care of himself and he cant pay, leave him out in the cold. Every kid should be considered in debt from the moment they are born due to the parental care they receive - to be paid back later with interest, from market rate. Maximize your profits in all your dealings within the house. Sub-lease the usage rights to bathroom and other utilities to family members via auction - the one who makes the maximum bid gets the most usage and others are forced out.
...
Hey, you're giving out advice targeted at planet Ferenginar. This is Earth and this planet has not yet reached such exquisite use of accounting.
My husband always jokes about humanity at this stage more accurately being reflected in Ferengi culture. Some are pretty close.
RE: My take on masks. - Patrick - 08-23-2020
(08-23-2020, 07:06 PM)Glow Wrote:(08-23-2020, 01:15 PM)Patrick Wrote:(08-23-2020, 12:57 PM)unity100 Wrote: ...
Go ahead and stop using communism among your own family. Stop giving food to family members who cant pay the maximum price you set for dinner. If an elderly member is not able to take care of himself and he cant pay, leave him out in the cold. Every kid should be considered in debt from the moment they are born due to the parental care they receive - to be paid back later with interest, from market rate. Maximize your profits in all your dealings within the house. Sub-lease the usage rights to bathroom and other utilities to family members via auction - the one who makes the maximum bid gets the most usage and others are forced out.
...
Hey, you're giving out advice targeted at planet Ferenginar. This is Earth and this planet has not yet reached such exquisite use of accounting.
My husband always jokes about humanity at this stage more accurately being reflected in Ferengi culture. Some are pretty close.
Yes and to think that by now I thought we would have an economy closer to that of the Federation than that of the Ferengi. But people are just not ready to stop using money, there's even a backlash against a sharing economy. I thought we would a least implement a UBI, but nope there's a backlash against that as well. People believe we would need to finance a UBI, while money is now a completely virtual concept and governments could have a UBI in place without any "costs" to society. Ah well. If we collectively like seeing our other selves wallow in poverty even knowing all the alternatives that are available. There isn't much that can be done. We can't even accuse the Elites, because people vote for those that promises to maintain the status quo or even to revert the small advancements that are sometimes made.
The concept of money has to be one of the most successful teachings the negatives can bring to a society. It practically does the work for them once in place.
RE: My take on masks. - sunnysideup - 08-23-2020
(08-23-2020, 01:15 PM)Patrick Wrote:(08-23-2020, 12:57 PM)unity100 Wrote: ...
Go ahead and stop using communism among your own family. Stop giving food to family members who cant pay the maximum price you set for dinner. If an elderly member is not able to take care of himself and he cant pay, leave him out in the cold. Every kid should be considered in debt from the moment they are born due to the parental care they receive - to be paid back later with interest, from market rate. Maximize your profits in all your dealings within the house. Sub-lease the usage rights to bathroom and other utilities to family members via auction - the one who makes the maximum bid gets the most usage and others are forced out.
...
Hey, you're giving out advice targeted at planet Ferenginar. This is Earth and this planet has not yet reached such exquisite use of accounting.
Lol 6th rule of acquisition: Never allow family to stand in the way of opportunity.
RE: My take on masks. - David_1 - 08-24-2020
This portion of the forum asks the question about masks which are a small part of the plan.
The following article focuses on the broader plan of enslavement by the Deep State.
https://tinyurl.com/yxldum8z
RE: My take on masks. - Patrick - 08-24-2020
(08-24-2020, 09:38 AM)David_1 Wrote: This portion of the forum asks the question about masks which are a small part of the plan.
The following article focuses on the broader plan of enslavement by the Deep State.
https://tinyurl.com/yxldum8z
Do you really believe that one side is better than the other ? They are both Elite organizations having fun seeing who will win the race to enslavement. Only works on the self can change the game enough for these guys to lose all power.
http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2007/2007_0211.aspx Q`uo Wrote:...In this regard we would suggest that the skillful choice is always to work on the self without regard for working with other entities. Service to others, working upon what you perceive needs to be done in the world, begins and ends within yourself. Until the point at which you are asked specific questions that you may answer in what you hope is a spiritually helpful manner, the work you do on yourself is sufficient and more than adequate in terms of how you may affect the consciousness of planet Earth. Change yourself and you change the world. That is how powerful you really are...
RE: My take on masks. - Aion - 08-24-2020
(08-23-2020, 01:07 PM)Patrick Wrote: They take it seriously too.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/pot-use-admission-at-u-s-border-snagging-canadian-boomers-says-lawyer-1.4640051
Quote:"They asked me if I'd ever done drugs and I just told the truth," he said. "I didn't want to lie, so I told them, 'Yes, I smoked marijuana 18 years ago.' Four hours later, I was escorted across the border after I was fingerprinted, frisked, pictures taken and asked 1,000 questions, the same question every time."
BUT it seems now that you can do something about it. Although it sounds like groveling for ever.
Quote:He estimated the waiver process will cost him about US$2,000. The cost includes legal fees, criminal record checks and he is expected to write a letter of remorse for smoking marijuana in the past...Saunders said hiring him is not a guarantee that Canadians will be allowed back into the United States. The waiver process can take up to one year to complete and is not permanent, meaning people often must reapply, he said.
Here is what legal counsel tells us to do if we are asked that question.
Quote:"People are often not asked, have they smoked marijuana before?" he said. "The advice we give our clients is always to be as honest with officers as they possibly can be. If I was in the back seat of your car whispering advice in your ear, I'd probably say at that point, I'd rather not answer that question and ask if you can withdraw your application for admission."
The hypocrisy of it is staggering. I may not have an issue with defensive lying, but I do have an issue with hypocrisy in general. I really don't like it. I am NOT an hypocrite and find it really hard to accept. Must be another blue-ray thing I have to work on.
https://www.ezbordercrossing.com/the-inspection-experience/cannabis-at-the-us-canada-border/cannabis-issues-when-entering-the-u-s/
Quote:How to Answer the Question “Have You Ever Smoked Pot?”
CBP officers may profile you and then ask you whether you have used cannabis before. If you say “yes”, you may be turned away at the border. U.S. federal law says that someone is inadmissible to the U.S. if they have either been “convicted of” or “admits having committed” a violation of drug laws in the U.S. or elsewhere. In other words, if you admit to drug use, that is grounds to turn you away, and maybe give you a ban on ever entering the U.S. Not every officer will ask the question, and some officers may have a much tougher response than others. As a result:
Do not even joke about drug use.
It does not matter if you say this was a long time ago. There was a case where an individual was turned away from the U.S. border, and barred for life, after a border guard searched his name on the internet and found that he had written in an academic journal about using LSD in the 1960s.
You have 4 options to the question: “Have You Ever Smoked Pot”
- Lie
- Tell the Truth
- Refuse to Answer
- Revoke Your Request to Enter the U.S.
Lie?
If you lie about your past pot use, be aware that the consequences are likely to be very harsh if you’re caught in the lie. You could face up to a lifetime ban on ever entering the U.S. again. If you receive a shorter ban, your immigration record will always show that you lied to officers. This will likely lead to extensive interrogation at the border for the rest of your life. This will be true even if the U.S. later decides to stop asking about marijuana use.
There are lots of ways that U.S. border officials may uncover your deception. CBP officers are entitled to use any documentary evidence to confirm your statements – whether in print, online or on social media, in text or image. It can be on the internet, your phone, or laptop. Read our page on Border Searches to get a clear idea of the extent of the border patrol’s search powers.
There are also questions as to whether U.S. Customs Officials may be able to get access to Canadian information about the purchase and sale of recreational cannabis. Records of customer purchases, and information from the many companies in the distribution network, will be kept in a wide variety of Canadian databases. In addition, the U.S. Patriot Act permits border officials to access information like credit card data.
...
If you ordered cannabis online or paid on site using a credit card, it's quite possible the agent will see this when asking the question.
BUT agents asking this are mostly the ones on a power trip. The "good" ones don't ask that question. I have never personally been asked that question. The only time I felt I was doing something "wrong" at a border crossing, having bought something on US soil without the intent on declaring it, when actually being asked if I had anything to declare, I said YES and then had to pay taxes and import fees and stuff. I should have been at ease with lying, but I guess in this case it was not really defensive so I couldn't do it.
My Dad has spent the past 4 years trying to immigrate to the US to be with his wife, he has paid for probably 3 waivers by now, gotten an immigration lawyer, talked with the Canadian embassy and even taken it to the governor. Yet, still hasn't been able to get down there.
Reason? Got caught with weed when he was like 19, minor possession charge, he actually took the fall for the group, but that one thing has produced a nightmare situation.
RE: My take on masks. - TheSeekersLighthouse - 09-06-2020
(08-24-2020, 11:25 AM)Aion Wrote:(08-23-2020, 01:07 PM)Patrick Wrote: They take it seriously too.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/pot-use-admission-at-u-s-border-snagging-canadian-boomers-says-lawyer-1.4640051
Quote:"They asked me if I'd ever done drugs and I just told the truth," he said. "I didn't want to lie, so I told them, 'Yes, I smoked marijuana 18 years ago.' Four hours later, I was escorted across the border after I was fingerprinted, frisked, pictures taken and asked 1,000 questions, the same question every time."
BUT it seems now that you can do something about it. Although it sounds like groveling for ever.
Quote:He estimated the waiver process will cost him about US$2,000. The cost includes legal fees, criminal record checks and he is expected to write a letter of remorse for smoking marijuana in the past...Saunders said hiring him is not a guarantee that Canadians will be allowed back into the United States. The waiver process can take up to one year to complete and is not permanent, meaning people often must reapply, he said.
Here is what legal counsel tells us to do if we are asked that question.
Quote:"People are often not asked, have they smoked marijuana before?" he said. "The advice we give our clients is always to be as honest with officers as they possibly can be. If I was in the back seat of your car whispering advice in your ear, I'd probably say at that point, I'd rather not answer that question and ask if you can withdraw your application for admission."
The hypocrisy of it is staggering. I may not have an issue with defensive lying, but I do have an issue with hypocrisy in general. I really don't like it. I am NOT an hypocrite and find it really hard to accept. Must be another blue-ray thing I have to work on.
https://www.ezbordercrossing.com/the-inspection-experience/cannabis-at-the-us-canada-border/cannabis-issues-when-entering-the-u-s/
Quote:How to Answer the Question “Have You Ever Smoked Pot?”
CBP officers may profile you and then ask you whether you have used cannabis before. If you say “yes”, you may be turned away at the border. U.S. federal law says that someone is inadmissible to the U.S. if they have either been “convicted of” or “admits having committed” a violation of drug laws in the U.S. or elsewhere. In other words, if you admit to drug use, that is grounds to turn you away, and maybe give you a ban on ever entering the U.S. Not every officer will ask the question, and some officers may have a much tougher response than others. As a result:
Do not even joke about drug use.
It does not matter if you say this was a long time ago. There was a case where an individual was turned away from the U.S. border, and barred for life, after a border guard searched his name on the internet and found that he had written in an academic journal about using LSD in the 1960s.
You have 4 options to the question: “Have You Ever Smoked Pot”
- Lie
- Tell the Truth
- Refuse to Answer
- Revoke Your Request to Enter the U.S.
Lie?
If you lie about your past pot use, be aware that the consequences are likely to be very harsh if you’re caught in the lie. You could face up to a lifetime ban on ever entering the U.S. again. If you receive a shorter ban, your immigration record will always show that you lied to officers. This will likely lead to extensive interrogation at the border for the rest of your life. This will be true even if the U.S. later decides to stop asking about marijuana use.
There are lots of ways that U.S. border officials may uncover your deception. CBP officers are entitled to use any documentary evidence to confirm your statements – whether in print, online or on social media, in text or image. It can be on the internet, your phone, or laptop. Read our page on Border Searches to get a clear idea of the extent of the border patrol’s search powers.
There are also questions as to whether U.S. Customs Officials may be able to get access to Canadian information about the purchase and sale of recreational cannabis. Records of customer purchases, and information from the many companies in the distribution network, will be kept in a wide variety of Canadian databases. In addition, the U.S. Patriot Act permits border officials to access information like credit card data.
...
If you ordered cannabis online or paid on site using a credit card, it's quite possible the agent will see this when asking the question.
BUT agents asking this are mostly the ones on a power trip. The "good" ones don't ask that question. I have never personally been asked that question. The only time I felt I was doing something "wrong" at a border crossing, having bought something on US soil without the intent on declaring it, when actually being asked if I had anything to declare, I said YES and then had to pay taxes and import fees and stuff. I should have been at ease with lying, but I guess in this case it was not really defensive so I couldn't do it.
My Dad has spent the past 4 years trying to immigrate to the US to be with his wife, he has paid for probably 3 waivers by now, gotten an immigration lawyer, talked with the Canadian embassy and even taken it to the governor. Yet, still hasn't been able to get down there.
Reason? Got caught with weed when he was like 19, minor possession charge, he actually took the fall for the group, but that one thing has produced a nightmare situation.
Me and my partner had a long journey getting a spousal visa to the UK. We eventually got it, £4000+ and a LOT of bureaucracy later, but no lawyer fees as I put it together myself.
We pay all those fees again in 2.5 years to extend, and then again at 5 years for a perm visa, plus you have to prove income requirements etc.
I mentioned free-will as a reason these rules are so ridiculous, and I got a LOT of backlash but also a lot in agreement.
RE: My take on masks. - Margan - 02-12-2021
To get back to the original thread:
My take on masks has changed a lot since covid1984 started. At first I was horrified and I literally had nightmares! bc I was so frightened not being able to see peoples faces and read them.
I had nightmares of hordes of masked persons chasing and threatening me. Also I had the impression of choking and not being able to breathe.
then it all of a sudden changed and I was able at first to tolerate those light masks, that doctors use during operations. Now even the FFP2 masks are not a problem anymore.
I also notice a change in the interactions. I actually find myself talking to strangers in public spaces, where we all wear masks more often now. It is almost as if - now that the "distraction" of seeing a face is gone, I focus more on the vibrations the other emits and I am able intuitively to see " it is ok to talk to that person" and it is usually a nice and agreable experience.
I 'd never have thought it would turn out this way!
as they say "when one door closes another door opens".
RE: My take on masks. - Glow - 02-12-2021
(02-12-2021, 08:42 AM)Margan Wrote: To get back to the original thread:I’m really so sorry you experienced such fear.
My take on masks has changed a lot since covid1984 started. At first I was horrified and I literally had nightmares! bc I was so frightened not being able to see peoples faces and read them.
I had nightmares of hordes of masked persons chasing and threatening me. Also I had the impression of choking and not being able to breathe.
then it all of a sudden changed and I was able at first to tolerate those light masks, that doctors use during operations. Now even the FFP2 masks are not a problem anymore.
I also notice a change in the interactions. I actually find myself talking to strangers in public spaces, where we all wear masks more often now. It is almost as if - now that the "distraction" of seeing a face is gone, I focus more on the vibrations the other emits and I am able intuitively to see " it is ok to talk to that person" and it is usually a nice and agreable experience.
I 'd never have thought it would turn out this way!
as they say "when one door closes another door opens".
But I am so happy that things shifted and the masks give you a different way of connecting to us other selves.
(((hug)))I can understand that because people superficially are not at all reflective of what’s inside. I can see how a mask dulling their superficial projections could help us connect to a deeper place. Very interesting.
The masks also give a bit of privacy and anonymity so perhaps people’s walls and energetic defences are now lower letting their more natural(less defensive) vibes through.
That’s pretty cool.
I will probably after this is over hang on to my masks for when I’m coming down with something but still need to go somewhere.
I do miss everyone’s faces, and I personally used to have way more conversations when out with strangers. I talk to people a lot normally, the masks make this more difficult for me as 6’ away and muffled sound is enough to make me start conversations less.
I perhaps appreciate people even more now though for that reason.
Like each is a person with potential to exchange connection with and at the moment we mostly pass with less opportunity for that connection so treasures that will have to wait.
The other day I was at a worksite with some people who can be a bit difficult. I realized I hadn’t seen their faces in almost a year and I looked at them and just felt so much love, ha I even miss the faces of difficult people. lol shows how much each is a light of the creator even when not at their best.
Still when at places(outdoors) where people are maskless I find myself pulling my own up when they get close. I know most people are social distanced properly but my job makes that honestly impossible so I just don’t want to put any one at risk just incase I’m a Typhoid Mary.
The faces will have to wait. I wonder if like you have experienced some large percentage of the population will find an extra sense of commonality because of the masks.
It makes sense. People feel less exposed with a mask so energeticly their projected defences drop and in a way they more safetly can show their gentle vibrations that would be hidden otherwise.
Thank you for sharing that Margan, it’s a beautiful peice of this experience I had not considered but it makes a lot of sense really.
(((Germ free hug)))
RE: My take on masks. - Margan - 02-12-2021
Haha and "germfreehugrightback"
Thank you, that was a lovely reply!
You know what, if anything, this crisis offers so much opportunity to learn and I am really grateful.
Like for example gratitude in general. Instead of focusing on what is not possible anymore, better focus on what can be done and be grateful.
Like - I cannot go to my favorite coffee shop and sit and drink my coffee there. But I discovered there is a tiny shop selling high quality coffee, and they ground it for you and they have lots of info. I asked the lady and she was happy to share her wisdom with me.
So when I go home I prepare that coffee and I enjoy and give thanks consciously for that.
Also during all this time (and you know I was a lot more into the conspiracy side of covid and evil intentions behind it lol etc.) - but no matter how deep I delved into that negativity (and it made me feel really desperate at times) that little spark of feeling protected and somehow "aloof" (i dont know if that is the right word in this context and I dont want to sound arrogant but in a sense I always felt that some divine force is there nevertheless and there is no reason to have fear)
And things were sort of falling into place by themselves, even if I did not expect them to.
And I am so greatful also that I was able to shift and am not suffering the masks anymore!
A side note on that - I do think that the conspiracy people actually suffer more re the masks. Which makes sense of course - "mind over matter" - and if you focus on that the evil elite want to humiliate and degrade us by the masks- yeah well does not surprise me that my friend who basically watches nothing else than conspiracy things tells me she cannot go out at all anymore bc the masks feel unsupportable and enslave her etc.
Now who is enslaving who ?
Ok maybe there is indeed an evil elite out there doing their best to enslave us - I dont know.
But all I can say - my friend is definitely enslaving herself thru her negative thoughts about the situation.
RE: My take on masks. - Glow - 02-12-2021
(02-12-2021, 01:38 PM)Margan Wrote: A side note on that - I do think that the conspiracy people actually suffer more re the masks. Which makes sense of course - "mind over matter" - and if you focus on that the evil elite want to humiliate and degrade us by the masks- yeah well does not surprise me that my friend who basically watches nothing else than conspiracy things tells me she cannot go out at all anymore bc the masks feel unsupportable and enslave her etc.
Now who is enslaving who ?
Ok maybe there is indeed an evil elite out there doing their best to enslave us - I dont know.
But all I can say - my friend is definitely enslaving herself thru her negative thoughts about the situation.
I loved your entire post.
I really enjoyed coffee shop exploration too. You never would have met her, or delved into that new experience. There is some comfort and self nurturing in this small things we do for ourselves.
I don’t get drink coffee but tea, I get it.
I wanted to comment on this quote of yours too. It is really astute. Realy really astute!
First wow I’m so sorry to hear that idea of humiliation has been planted. And then you are right though, we take these seeds(ideas) we take them and nurish them, basically enslaving ourselves.
I have a client that owes me several hundred dollars. She has money and it’s weird she isn’t paying. I let it bother me last Saturday all day feeling “taunted”, Saturday afternoon I realized she was not in fact standing in front of me enjoying me wondering about the money.
I infact was ruining my own day. Self enslavement. How silly, but I am grateful yet again I could recognize it, like you have regarding the mask humiliation link and just stop letting my mind perpetuate an experience.
Thanks so much for sharing your experience.
It was enlightening and quite heartwarming.
Oh and thanks for the hug back!
RE: My take on masks. - Margan - 02-12-2021
There is something to be said re the superficiality aspect.
A good point, Glow. You know like those people who paint their faces a lot (some time ago I overheard this young dude saying to his friend "dude your girlfriend looks like she fell into a pot of paint" ) Lol.
You know ,at the moment no one needs to spend lots of time in front of the mirror putting on makeup haha!
Out of habit, I still used to put something on some skin irregularities, but when the color got stranded inside the mask I finally realized , of no avail
Now I mostly even forget to make up in situations when I don't have to wear masks .
The masks are symbolic for the "ego" mask everyone of us is wearing all of the time. A good reminder that most of the times we don't show our "true face" anyways - maybe that is why ultimately it is not important whether the other person is wearing an actual mask or only the "ficticious" ego mask.
The real cannot be seen with the physical eyes, but is there nevertheless and all the time.
RE: My take on masks. - confusedseeker - 02-12-2021
I heard they are recommending three masks now, lol. This is quite a show.
RE: My take on masks. - Margan - 02-12-2021
(02-12-2021, 01:58 PM)Glow Wrote: I have a client that owes me several hundred dollars. She has money and it’s weird she isn’t paying. I let it bother me last Saturday all day feeling “taunted”, Saturday afternoon I realized she was not in fact standing in front of me enjoying me wondering about the money.
I infact was ruining my own day. Self enslavement. How silly, but I am grateful yet again I could recognize it, like you have regarding the mask humiliation link and just stop letting my mind perpetuate an experience.
Yep that is what we always do, isn' t it? I am very good at that also. My own worst enemy.
That old saying comes to mind "we are not responsible for the other persons behavior, only for our own reactions to them"
And we actually learn a lot more from those situations, than when we sit in a comfy chair and have a chat with a lovely friend.
Though I still prefer the lovely chats and the lovely people, haha.